Jaguars Head Coach Jack Del Rio thinks you are dumb.
by River City Rage on Sep 17, 2009 9:27 AM EDT
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There is simply no other way around it.
"What we have is a good, solid, tough defensive lineman who is about 6′5″, 285 and he plays hard," Del Rio said. "So let’s appreciate what he is and stop worrying about whether he’s measuring up to a standard that has been set by somebody else beside me, Gene Smith or his teammates. Once we do that, we’ll be in better shape."
"He’s going to grow into a 280, 285-pound body. He’s got tremendous closure on the quarterback. He’s played his best football in big games,"
I'm not a terribly reactive person. I can sit back and appreciate the big picture and take it all in. I believe in the "10,000 foot perspective", where judgment and analysis are tempered from the day to day moments. But today's comments by Del Rio broke my soul. If we accept Del Rio's premise that Derrick Harvey is not a fast edge rusher but a "rugged player", then Harvey joins the ranks of Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Marcades Lewis, and Reggie Nelson, athletic project players who, to date, have not lived up to any expectations. When we lauded Reggie Williams as the best run-blocking Wide Receiver in the game, that's a bad thing. When UCLA's pass catching machine is heralded as the "Next Kyle Brady", there's a problem. When we're scheming Reggie Nelson away from Reggie Wayne and to Sean Considine, there's an issue, and when Derrick Harvey is "just a tough player" at end and that expectations for sacks are our unrealistic, then there's nearly a decade of bad first round draft picks. I'm not going to even mention Byron Leftwich and the six years of first round prospects that the Jaguars have passed on in order to take this amalgamation of talent and potential.
Derrick Harvey, not expected to be a sack machine, that's rich Jack. It's one thing to admit that you've failed in identifying and developing a player to put the team in a position to win, it's another thing entirety to blame the media, the fans, and even your assistant coaches for the lack of performance by Harvey. Gene may have the Conn, but there's an anchor on this team, and I've come around the realization that Jack Del Rio is no longer the man for the job. We've had too many missed opportunities to build a legitimate roster and develop into a powerhouse. I'm sorry for the doom and gloom, but there's one element left of the James Harris era that's still lingering, and that's Coach Del Rio.
I'm expecting backlash for this, but the facts are there. Jack Del Rio has not put this team in a position to compete. How sad is it that we joke amongst ourselves about the importance of the Jaguars 2nd round draft picks. When we drafted Derek Cox and gave up our 2nd pick in next years draft, I dreaded the thought of losing the one consistent bright spot in our draft. It's like I've already given up on whoever we take first overall.
I'm dreadfully frustrated with Jack, as you can tell. He is already on the defensive, managing expectations, getting into the head of Harvey and Garrard, and it's not what I expected out of a developmental year. This is a time for the team to grow and turn into something special, not a time for the head coach to dig himself in and insulate himself from expectations. Frankly, he needs to grow up and face the fact that he's as much responsible for the direction of the team as anyone, he was part of the decision making trifecta and should be held accountable. If that means a sudden and rapid change at the top, than so be it.
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What defensive end in football doesn't have sacks in the job description?
How do you not expect sacks from a defensive end? Their job is to invade the backfield and disrupt the play. Be it a run or pass, their job is to disrupt the play.
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a 3-4 DE
doesn’t… They’re primary job is stopping the run. ;)
by pksiv on Sep 17, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad I asked
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And 3-4
has quietly become our new base, so maybe JDR is saying that bc of that we shouldn’t expect sacks from our DEs, but from our LBs. So he actually said “Expect sacks from Groves & an update on his Twitter after each sack.”
I also think he may be telling me to have pizza with him @ Mellow Mushroom & a Coors Light after watching that press conference.
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by JagsNguyen on Sep 17, 2009 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I've interpreted
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 17, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where does it say this ?
"…blame the media, the fans, and even your assistant coaches for the lack of performance by Harvey. "
by pksiv on Sep 17, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When asked "why Harvey wasn't in the game"
He passed the buck to his assistant coaches, said he would have to check with them. The Media and Fans are obviously where he says the misinformed expectations come from.
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by River City Rage on Sep 17, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Watch most head coaches on the sidelines and they aren’t involved with every personnel move during the game. That’s what the coordinators job is during the game.
by pksiv on Sep 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree
But Del Rio’s always had a heavy role on the defensive side of the ball and should reasonably know when the top ten draft pick players are or are not playing. Especially when it comes to a “starter”.
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by River City Rage on Sep 17, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches shouldn't concern themselves
with where a player was drafted or how much money he’s making once the roster is set.
From where I was watching, the defense held the Colts to 14 points and if Constandine holds onto that pick, it might have been even lower.
The defense did it’s job, no matter who was on the field.
by pksiv on Sep 17, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't blame JDR
Don’t expect Jack to throw Harvey under the bus especially now when he needs the guy to perform with Hayward out for the season. This is the last 1st round pick of the failed Shack Harris regime. Every one of his first round picks sucked. Its a miracle that the guy got another job in the NFL after what he did to ruin the Jaguars but then again its the Lions. The 3-headed monster approach failed miserably because when they couldn’t agree, Shack had the deciding vote and you know none of those 1st-rounders were Jack’s or Gene’s guys. What was Wayne Weaver thinking when he hired Shack Harris and to keep him around for 6 years to destroy the franchise?
by jagsrealist on Sep 17, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean, even Matt Millen had one good first round pick (Calvin Johnson)
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 17, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He needs to step up; or sit. Period.
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 17, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are supposed to do in a "Re-tooling" year?
What I don’t get is how you don’t expect that in a rebuilding year? From the quote, it looks like JDR is telling people to not get so worked up because Harvey was not amazing in the first game. He is telling people to be patient….which is exactly what I would expect in a rebuilding year.
I would expect JDR to try to be defensive about preventing people from labeling Harvey a bust after one game because during a rebuilding year, your young talent is supposed to grow over the season and develop over time, not one game.
Also, how is telling people to stop trying to pronounce final judgment on Harvey after one game insulating himself from expectations?
I think JDR is doing exactly what he should be doing in a rebuilding year…. telling people to chill out on the judgment of young players.
Harvey has only started 10 games in his career!!!! Sure i want him to be better but why does he have to be judged and labeled now?
by Bigdawg1101 on Sep 17, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I don’t “read” this stuff from JDR the way others do. For me, he is telling people to be patient and not put massive pressure on Harvey. Half the Jags fanbase sees this as meaning JDR officially considers Harvey to be a bust.
I agree that this kind of “be patient” message is not what you want when you are talking about a guy who traded up for. Personally, I think Harvey is getting better each game. I do wish the staff could just leave him in one position. In my opinion, this “play DE some of the time and OLB some of the time” is curbing his development. Let the guy learn one position!
by KeithG on Sep 17, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
concur Big Dawg 1101
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree...
remember how awful mario williams was his first two seasons…
by mattarne on Sep 17, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just his first season
He had 14 sacks his second year
by SoCalStites on Sep 17, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The draft. The offense. The suck.
Whether or not JDR is responsible doesn’t change the fact that the Jaguars suffer still today from a decade of amazingly poor drafting. Can you really believe we took Reggie Williams in the first round? Matt Jones? Marcedes Lewis? Byron Leftwich? Not only are the Jaguars hurt by taking these players, but they’re also hurt much worse by the players they DIDN’T take. Ryan Clady, Ben Roethlisberger, Chad Henne, etc.
And as to JDR, I will agree that his time as coach should be coming to a close. Under his direction, have the Jaguars ever had an offense of any significance? I know our run game was strong for a bit, but that’s a “players, not plays” thing. Any offensive coordinator can call a run left. In closing, the whole staff is questionable; Koetter, Tucker and JDR. And we’ve got to play the season out (a season that will probably solidify the Jaguars departure from Jacksonville due to abysmal attendance figures), but soon Gene Smith will turn his laser gaze upon the men with the clipboards.
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by arthardie on Sep 17, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When I heard yesterday's
press confereance, I thought the same thing, what you wrote here Chris..
Harvey was drafted to become this team’s Freeney, Mario Williams etc.
And now he is just a guy? This was a mistake by Jake.
You don’t trade almost half of your draftpicks fore just a guy….
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 17, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spotlight on Ted Monachino
I was going to do a run down on him, but Tkopa beat me to the punch by half a year.
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2009/3/7/784810/spotlight-on-ted-monachino
If you read his profile on jaguars.com you’ll notice he is credited for "In his first season overseeing the defensive line, the Jaguars tied for 13th in NFL rushing defense as they allowed 106.8 yards per game. Monachino played a major role in the development of rookie defensive ends Derrick Harvey and Quentin Groves. Harvey, the eighth overall pick in 2008, played in all 16 games with nine starts and led the team with 29 quarterback pressures along with 3.5 sacks. Groves, the club’s second-round pick, added 2.5 sacks. Reggie Hayward led the team with 4.5 sacks and ranked second with 22 quarterback pressures. "
http://www.jaguars.com/team/Coach.aspx?id=2640
This is early, and I will give the coaching staff a pass for a few more games. They had only last season, and a bit of the preseason to prepare for the Colts new regime, and I thought the defense, minus the d-line, played their hearts out. Without Reggie Hayward, the end position is thread bare. I don’t see anyone left in the cupboard. If Monachino doesn’t get these guys to produce then Jack may very well be gone.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glass Half Empty
On the other hand, the Colts only rushed for a paltry 2.3 yards/carry (longest rush was 13 yards). However, per NFL.com stats, the d-line only accounted for 11 of those stops (Justin Durant had that many by himself). The linebackers are going to have to carry the defense. They are going to have to be the ones that get the sacks unless Harvey/Groves/“mystery end that has not fully presented himself yet” can step up.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in the 3-4 that's the way it is supposed to be when run correctly
The 3 d-linemen swallow up as many blockers as possible allowing your LB’s to come free and make the stops… The LB is the prermier position on the defense in a 3-4
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that
I didn’t get to watch the game, so I don’t know how much they ran the 3-4. My point is that if the Jags stop the run consistently, and if the linebackers can at least pressure the qb, then this season’s defense will be more enjoyable to watch than the Greg Williams. I still want Harvey/Groves to succeed, but I don’t know if they have the right guy as their position coach.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were playing 7 DB's
for part of the game.
by pksiv on Sep 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Chris... It looks like you and Terry are both on the side of Fire Del Rio
I’m sorry guys… but you are WAY over-reacting…. When has Del Rio EVER been Media savvy? He isn’t He always puts his foot in his mouth, it’s what he does.
Does it mean he’s not a good coach? Look at the product on the field when you talk about Del Rio’s departure…. Not that he’s bad with the Media, or a poor drafter…. Neither of those are his role.
I was extremely impressed with the cohesion I saw among our team on Sunday against the Colts. Del Rio has got these young men playing well as a unit, and when it comes to being everything you want on the field, Del Rio has got it.
I am sorry Chris and Terry, I completely disagree…. JDR is this team’s coach for the foreseeable future, and I am happy with that.
-Collin
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If the improvment
will continue there is no way Wayne will fire Jack. I still have trust on him. I still think he can do very good things.
But I must admit that this statement about Harvey was not a lucky one….
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 17, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, just Jack making an ass of himself again...
He just shouldn’t talk to the media at all…
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can appreciate criticism, but Jack was just being honest
It’s not a bunch of coachspeak from him. He says don’t expect a bunch of sacks from Harvey yet. What’s wrong with that? Do we expect Garrard to throw 50 TDs like Brady did? Why are we smashing Del Rio for pointing out the obvious?
Because he makes an unpopular comment, it’s time to fire the guy. (I still think it’s funny that everyone thought Jack was taking us to the Super Bowl last year, now he’s the worst coach on the planet.)
Harvey is not a sack monster yet. Every 1st rd DE doesn’t become one, like Jack said, those guys are rare. Name 5 guys who get double-digit sacks every year. These guys don’t just fall off trees.
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by JagGameFace on Sep 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooohhh, a rift forms!
The only downside of this is that in December, January, or maybe Feburary (yeah, I don’t care if it’s rebuilding or not, I’ll still have dreams about playing in Feb) is that one of us will be right and the other wrong.
But there’s nothing wrong with disagreeing, I think it’s healthy.
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by River City Rage on Sep 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it makes it to February.... I think I'll definitely be on the "Right" side... lol
if we go less than 7-9, then I would consider the season a failure and that Del Rio may need to go…
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely...
and I do believe that Jag fans are over reactionary in lots of situations.
by Jaggernaut on Sep 17, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at the aftermath of the Colts loss and Tebow discussions
I think its our nature.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give 'em a chance
It’s only the first game. This year should be one of tempered expectations. Just watch what happens and don’t get so emotionally involved. I read JDR’s statement as “be patient”. Seriously, almost half of this roster wasn’t here last year!
As a comparison for Harvey, look at Mario Williams’ first year sack numbers. He had 4.5 sacks, Harvey had 3.5. IIRC, Mario Williams was talked about as “maybe” a bust that year. The next year Williams went on to have 14 sacks. I’m saying Harvey will also, but give the guy a chance.
What’s Vic’s time frame for draft choices? 3 years? So Harvey has this year, then maybe even next year before he can be on Vic Ketchman’s Official Bust list. Of course, if history is any indication, we’ll ahng onto him for another 2 after he is a bust, but let’s worry about that next year.
Would we have even been talking about this if we made the 2 point conversion and went on to win in OT? I don’t think so.
by Pyrofish on Sep 17, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed..... It's only one game... AND WE LOST BY LESS THAN A FG with under 2 mins on the clock.
Did anyone expect that from a rebuilding year where we jettison almost half our roster, especially facing one of the NFL’s greatest QB’s and most potent offenses….
I really think that this is knee-jerk. I don’t know how you couldn’t be impressed by how well the team played on Sunday… given their circumstances…
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a game when the Jaguars were unable to gain 30 yards to win the game.
Seriously, Scobee needed 30 yards for a Jaguars win. Our offense couldn’t get thirty yards. That’s a painful indictment of where the offense is right now.
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by River City Rage on Sep 17, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet this was in a game where, in light predictions, we were suppose to lose by 7-10 points. Trust me, I agree and am frustrated, but the first game of the year with four rookies starting against the Colts?
Also, another bright side. The Colts are up by one, but the Titans and Texans lost this weekend, too. So we are tied for second in the AFC South.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Sep 17, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's what the Colt's are built for
When we beat them, on those rare occasions, it’s because we moved the ball on the ground. The Colts are built to stop the pass. That’s what they’re good at. When you need 30 yards, and you need it quick, you’re playing right into their strength.
I do understand though. But really, we need more games to see who we really are. Did we just play a really tough Colts team? I hope so. Or are the Colts in major decline? For purposes of judging our performance, I hope not. We’ll get a little more out of our game against the Cards, and the Colts game against Miami. Then we can start to get a better handle on it.
Who knows, the Colts may be impossible to throw on this year, and we were just their first victim. It’s still early. We just don’t know what’s up yet. Patience.
by Pyrofish on Sep 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a questions.
Do guys get paid for this? Writing or “editing” here at BCC, is this a paying gig?
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 17, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They only pay people who don't..
write things like “I have a questions”.
by Jaggernaut on Sep 17, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I’m not looking for money. I get paid, for what I do. I’m good at it. I’m just wondering if the editors of our fan site are being properly compensated.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 17, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha....
I was just trying to be a pain.
by Jaggernaut on Sep 17, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta go..
but let me show my lack of knowledge, what does “Vae Victis” translate to?
by Jaggernaut on Sep 17, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woe to the conquered
Woe to the fallen. It’s a way of paying homage to your defeated enemy.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 17, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool...
hope we get to pay homage a lot this year.
by Jaggernaut on Sep 17, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm uneducated...
or self-educated. Any of you guys ever edited poetry? I tried my hand at that once.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 17, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet, though hopefully soon is SBN ever gets things straightened out
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 17, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We receive ZERO money and ZERO Compensation
Nothing is received for being a writer or editor on Big Cat Country. Not tickets, not access to the players, not an invite to a single thing. In truth, we are just simple fans that write what we see or feel.
I wouldn’t do it if there was money. Money means you owe someone. We are completely free to say whatever we want because you can’t take anything away from us.
Having said that, there is one more thing. I do want the personal attacks to stop from everyone, including me. The site is best when it is friendly and informative. That is what makes BCC fun.
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We are credentialed media... don't forget that... ;)
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Jags would ever open up to blogs that might matter
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 17, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got credentialed to go to the Draft next year for BCC right?
You’ll be our on-site reporter… I can’t wait until you have to type… “Jags select… Tebow… bleh!”
I can see it now…
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, you'll know my reaction by hearing the gun shot on ESPN
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 17, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.... funny as hell...
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might actually go to the Draft this year
coincedently to see when Tebow gets drafted, but also to take in the experience.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I commend you all!
Thanks for writing entertaining, and informative anecdotes and opinions on our Jacksonville Jaguars. You deserve some sort of compensation. I see advertisements and what not on the site. Is the money generated used strictly to finance the upkeep of running the site and paying lawyers? Someone is making money.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 17, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha.... get paid.... lol
No… we make squat, and much of the money earned from the advertising goes right back into the SBnation interface and lawyers (yeah, we got lawyers), and other things….
So no… We don’t make a thin red cent… haha… but we enjoy it thoroughly… :)
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need lawyers becasue sometimes Collin calls out high paid agents in public
and they get really mad too!
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was quite a debacle
from the agents point of view
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by Surteal on Sep 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when did this happen?
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harvey
Hm… what do we know about other DEs in the league? How ’bout Mario Williams, likely one of the best in the AFC South? How many sacks did he have his first season (as the #1 pick of the draft)?
4.5 (21 yards lost)
Now, how about Harvey? 3.5 (12 yards lost). Now, one big difference is tackles. Williams had 35, whereas Harvey only had 15 Solo. But that, in my opinion, could be because Harvey mostly played on third and fourth down in passing situations, whereas Mario (from what I remember) played most every down.
Yeah, I want more from Harvey this year. A lot more. But Jack, I believe, is simply telling everyone to give the kid a break and let him produce. So let’s do that. We’ll judge Harvey at the end of the season, as to whether he was ‘worth it’. Certainly we’ll see more from him now.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Sep 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Seeing more...
Seeing more from him now, certainly, because of the absence of Hayward.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Sep 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JDR
has a fantastic defensive mind for the game, but I don’t believe he has the comprehensive ability of a premier NFL head coach. It’s hard to say that he’s the right guy for the job when his coaching tenure is marked by inconsistency, and not by sustained progress and player development. His drafts have been horrible, and over the past three seasons Del Rio’s record as HC is 24-24 with 1 playoff victory.
It’s hard to believe that if the Jaguars truly want to reinvent themselves and create a new identity, they won’t look at the resume’s of Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan in the 2010 offseason. As a fan who wants the Jaguars to succeed, I hope those three will at least be considered for the job if Del Rio doesn’t show measured progress in each week of this season. In my mind, there is no reason not to expect this team (players and coaching staff) to sustain the effort of Week 1, and continue build on it through Week 16. Unfortunately, in my opinion, that has not been a defining characteristic of the Del Rio era of Jaguars football.
by SFJag on Sep 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would you have said, or even thought, any of this
following the 2007 season ?
by pksiv on Sep 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the inconsistency began during the 2004 season.
The team goes 9-7, misses the playoffs, and is inconsistent throughout the season. We followed our 12-4 record in 2005 with an 8-8 record in ’06. Just saying the inconsistency is not a recent development.
by SFJag on Sep 17, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance we fire Del Rio if this team is making progress...
You hire a new coaching staff, you add another year to rebuilding… period… In fact, I am going to do a piece on this…
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to see it week to week
and I’ll be satisfied.
by SFJag on Sep 17, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree you're right about that... We'll be able to see with our eyes if the team is on the ascension...
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too much
I think you’ve been listening to Sam Kouvaris on 1010xl too much.
by T-Rex of Jax on Sep 17, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Harvey really that bad?
I’ve just started re-watching the colts game (only the first few minutes so far) but Harvey kind of stood out.
1st play -Harvey sheds a block and is into the backfield. colts run it to the other side of the field, so it doesn’t matter.
2nd play – Harvey is half a second away from sacking Manning, gets hands on him just after the pass is made
3rd play – Harvey is playing on the left side. Gets into the backfield (the ONLY Jags player who does). Looks to me like there was some holding (no lag, of course) and he sin’t clos enough to Manning to stop the pass.
Maybe after finishing the game again I will change my mind, but the first few plays Harvey looked kind of good… the only Jags player to put any pressure at all on Manning. He also played 3 different “positions” in these 3 plays. 1 play as a hand down, right side DE. One as a standing right DE/LB, one as a standing right side DE/LB. This young kid is getting asked to learn alot of different things. I’m not saying he going to be an awesome player or anything… but I can’t help but think his progression is being hampered by the coaches wanting him to play all over the place. How many different places does Freeny typically play?
by KeithG on Sep 17, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said... Harvey will get Sacks... Peyton takes hardly any sacks period, and that's a fact.
He gets rid of the ball immediately… He’s amazing.
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris
It’s good to see you writing. I remember when i first joined the site, people would talk about Chris’ writing. I didn’t know who Chris was.
I haven’t read the comments and perhaps I should have in case you commented, but I think you’re reading too much into the comments. I don’t see what you see and we all know how JDR is with the media. The only thing to highlight in a box is production. let’s just wait and see.
The favorite example is Mario Williams.
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by Surteal on Sep 17, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i quit reading most comments, so the next thing i say shouldn’t be taken personally…
all i can say is there is a major load of over-reaction to a lot of things… whether it be pro or con Tebow… sitting Harvey or not… jdr being patient or jdr being blissfully ignorant… splitting the team into Shack versus no Shack picks… etc…
i like being an avid fan, as most of you also enjoy, but when nitpicking to death every play, every player, every time someone sneezes when they should’a farted… i mean, c’mon… more enjoying the game and less negativity?
all my opinion, of course.
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by cuffs007 on Sep 17, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This isn't nitpicking
This is Chris arriving at a position after much thought. He had been a solid Del Rio supporter in the past. This is a major break for him. I think it deserves attention.
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will we have a fanpost written say when....
I decide that i like Fruit Loops better than Lucky Charms while i’ve been a big eater of lucky charms and it is somewhat about my irish hertiage? :)
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never mentioned Chris being the target of my opinion, nor that his story didn’t deserve attention… please read my reply again and, hopefully, you’ll understand that i’m talking about incredibly inane tearing apart of the most minutiae of details… also, i said that “there is a major load of over-reaction to a LOT of things”…
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by cuffs007 on Sep 17, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
:) No problem
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by Tkopa on Sep 18, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i sounded cranky, huh? ran outta my Rx narcotics
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by cuffs007 on Sep 18, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try this
lol :)
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Kuharsy noted artcle
Who would thought after the title…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 18, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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