Rebuilding The Jaguars: The aliens came and took everyone's brains
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
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What has happened to everyone?
In the preseason, everyone agreed that this is a rebuilding year. This is a year to evaluate talent, reinstall a physical, focused, and disciplined mindset, and to, for once, let Gene and Jack do their jobs. Just a few days after the Jaguars played better than anyone expected, suddenly everyone is head-over-heels for Tim Tebow, wants to fire Jack Del Rio, hates Derrick Harvey for not getting sacks while making a transition to a 3-4 end (whose job it is to play the run, not get sacks), and generally checked their brains at the door.
What makes Big Cat Country great is that we are supposed to understand that drafting receivers every year is not the way to go. Football starts and ends in the trenches, and without great play from the lines, the rest of the offense and defense both suffer. We are supposed to understand that it's players not plays. We are supposed to understand that no one wants to win more than the coaches, and the coaches know more about football than we ever will - or we'd be on the sidelines instead of them.
Here are some quarterback statistics:
Cmp/Att % Yrds TDs INTs Rushes Yrds TDs Avg/Rush
A 212/325 65.2 3036 26 10 155 1050 12 6.77
B 192/298 64.4 2747 30 4 176 673 12 3.82
C 214/317 67.5 2952 32 4 135 631 10 4.67
Look at A and B for a second: Both of these quarterbacks won championships, both were regarded as the uncontested leader of their team, both won big games, both are regarded highly for their running, both played in a spread, and both have a weird throwing motion that concerns NFL scouts. Player A, however, has always been considered an NFL QB prospect, while many scouts are just not sure what to think about player B.
Aside from rushing statistics saying that player B is slower, I do not understand what makes player B better than player A. The tangibles and intangibles are all the same. However, when I tell you that player A is Vince Young, and player B is Tim Tebow, suddenly everyone falls into zombie-unity, and proclaims that, "Vince Young is garbage and will never be a big-time NFL quarterback (he won't)". Followed closely by, "Tebow is Steve Young, combined with Namath and Montana, and Unitas and Superman."
It doesn't make sense.
Oh by the way, player C is Alex Smith. He had better passing and rushing statistics and was just as much of a leader at Utah as Tebow is at UF. The difference is that the Ute Nation is not everywhere.
Now here are some coaching statistics:
No, actually no there aren't. You know what, I'm tired of this. People are going to believe what they want to believe. If you think Jack Del Rio is a bad coach, then nothing I say will change your mind. If you think Jack Del Rio is doing everything he can with what he's been given and that absolutely nothing has changed since the end of last season except that the Jaguars have undeniably gotten better and look more disciplined and cohesive and better-coached, then I agree with you.
I am frustrated because I know I have to accept that this year is about progress rather than wins. I've accepted it, but it doesn't make it fun. The only thing that frustrates me more is the fanatical fire-Jack pro-Tebow zombie mob. Like John said, be careful what you wish for, because it might come true, and then this team will be in an even worse place. I don't know where that place is, but it's not Jacksonville.
-Mike Nelson
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Rec for you sir
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
Some of the recent posts don’t even deserve a real conversation. I read them once, make one comment & look for posts that are looking towards the next game. I’m more worried about what I’m eating @ the game on Sunday than about drafting Tim Tebow right now… cause the game is this Sunday @ Tim Tebow Draftapalooza doesn’t start til May 2010!
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Sep 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
dammit!
& not @… damn you iPhone & your tiny buttons!
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Sep 17, 2009 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i know how you feel
at least i did until i lost my iphone and now have a 3 year old nokia
Great post, i rec’d it. You deserved it.
BTW, Alex Smith had small hands and Tebow threw less interceptions. That’s just for arguments sake.
I’m pro LeFevour
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by Surteal on Sep 17, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I was rude earlier on a Tebow post, and I apologize. All the Jaguars need at this point is time to develop and evaluate talent; both on the field and on the sidelines.
Week 1 was bad for a lot of teams (new coaches/new systems/little film to go on). Time will heal all wounds.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont see what was bad with us week one
I know you may not be talking about us, but im saying in eneral i didnt think we looked bad at all!
by harveyismyboy on Sep 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the part of the game I watched
Eugene struggled, and the last play for the Jags Eben was caught looking inside and got beat.
Defensively I was proud of what I saw. Last years team, I don’t believe would have stopped that 4th and 1.
When I said “bad” I mean that week one in general is tough on young teams/new coaches/etc… I’m proud of the young guys. There is a good foundation being built, and I’d like to keep the same BAP going on. That’s what frustrated me with the Tebow talk (I guess I’m an Anti-Tebow).
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
by harperslaw on Sep 17, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for reminding yourself and everyone else not to be rude
I am getting emails from people leaving the site because of the rudeness. I don’t think it helps to drive good people away.
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to deal with rudeness
i guess they try to avoid it.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what would happen if I wore a “PLEASE DONT DRAFT TEBOW” shirt to the game… :)
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's that old adage...
a squeaky wheel get the grease…
I really think all of those who are opposed to Tebow need to start selling Bumper Stickers and T-Shirts etc… to make sure that Weaver doesn’t pull an Al Davis because he thinks everyone is in favor of Tebow.
I think he’s smarter than that but you never know.
by pksiv on Sep 17, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if people would revolt against me? lol
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 17, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
conspiracies already been drawn out
Just give us the go to revolt.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we darft Tebow..
it will be another in a long line of Busted 1st rd draft picks….
by mattarne on Sep 17, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where would you feel comfortable drafting him?
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Sep 17, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we drafted him in the second round
after trading a certain player, must he qualify as a 2nd round bust :P
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that if we get Tebow
That we will get the fans to come to the games but that will not win games. Not only that it will be gator fans not jags jans
by Miss.Shortjag on Sep 20, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you sir,
For mirroring my thoughts with such a well written post.
by indianajagfan on Sep 17, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
… the last 5 days have been a real shock to me. I’ve honestly been completely astounded at the ranting going on eveywhere. I feel like the fanbase themselves have lost all focus on the season, and I just hope like hell the team isn’t getting distracted by all the BS.
by KeithG on Sep 17, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the kind words everyone
And thanks for the front page!
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim Rome...
Mentioned the city of Jacksonville, Wayne Weaver, the mayor, and our desperation to get home town “hero” Tebow. We are going to start getting a daily dose of embarrassment. He said he wasn’t against it but if Bradford or McCoy were there we’d be insane to skip over them.
by Slvrgun on Sep 17, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was also curious as to why we would want to sell tickets by getting Tebow...
He said the only way to sell tickets is to win.
Can Tebow help us win? I’m not so sure…
by Slvrgun on Sep 17, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic perspective... I love the image too...
The QB A, B, and C stats was a GREAT idea… what a way to get a message across…
I’ve promoted this “beyond the community”, meaning it may show up on some other sports sites… so keep your eyes peeled.
-C
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very nice read.
BTW, when are the Jags moving to London?
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
by DannoE on Sep 17, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When Peyton Manning thorws 100 interceptions in a year.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
17,000 Tickets Unsold!!
OMG! I didn’t think it was that bad… even the winless Lions only needed 4,000 tickets to sell to lift their blackout…
If they knew it was that big… why only announce it on the deadline date? Jaguars truley trying to send a message to the “wait & see” fanbase. I think this was more important than any Tebow or how horrible a rebuilding team that held the Colts within 2 points post…
I’ll be @ the game though… just disappointed @ where the focus has been. Sucks to be known as Blackout City…
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Sep 17, 2009 4:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
No, it wasn’t 17,00 unsold… they had to seel that many at the beginning of the day… The # is less then that.
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
we probably won’t know what the final number is… but that is a pretty big number. It should be understood though that the culture here in the south contributes to this last minute mentality. Just look what happened the weeken before the state was going to double the prices to renew your tag & license! Though the games blacked out… I still hope the that enough will come to cheer on the Jaguars & make it tough for the Cards to hear their signals.
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Sep 17, 2009 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Good Post
I think the spirit of BCC is that we can have different opinions, we can be frustrated, and we can discuss them intelligently.
And, BTW, I am in the Anti-Del Rio/Anti-Tebow group, not the Fire Del Rio/Draft Tim Tebow Zombie Army, I demand the distinction…
-Chris
Big Cat Country!:: The Official Home of the Unofficial Blog of the Jacksonville Jaguars!
by River City Rage on Sep 17, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol... nice...
So you’re anti tebow, anti Rio
Terry is Pro Tebow, Anti Rio
I am Anti Tebow, Pro Rio
And John is Anti Tebow, Pro Rio… I think…
so there’s the breakdown… :)
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry is anti anti-Tebow
I am against bashing the guy for simply being a great football player and a wonderful example of a human being.
But I am anti-DelRio.
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow is a great person and player. I just don’t think he will equal a great NFL quarterback… BUT, who knows…
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i completely agree with both of you
i have a feeling tebow will end up the living the kind of life that people right books about
however, he is not my choice for QB of the future
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Sep 17, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the breakdown
I feel weird standing with John. FSU and UF can be friends after all? Haha
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the "ehhhh" Del Rio group
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 17, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m pro Edy’s Ice Cream Sandwich Ice Cream… I’m anti-fiber and anti-good-for-ya in my damn cereal! Stop the madness!
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on Sep 26, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can i be in the Pro-Tebow, Pro-Rio Zombie club?
I’m with Tkopa on most tebow related matters and will defer to him.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jaguars should move to L.A.
Jacksonville fans are fickle. The city of Jacksonville cannot support an NFL franchise. The best thing for the NFL and for the Jaguars is to move to Los Angeles. I am hopeing that the Jaguars have no success until they move. Ever since Jacksonville got an NFL team Central Florida television broadcast Jaguar games instead of Dolphin games. Central Florida hates the Jaguars and loves the Miami Dolphins. There is nothing I hate more than being ready to watch Dolphins football on Sunday and then realize that the Jaguar broadcast is on instead. I hate no team worse than the Jags!!! Please Move already!!!!
by brevardguy27 on Sep 17, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for stopping by
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the Dolphins never had troubles
Get Real, hater
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you...
Mike Bianchi from the Orlando Sentinel, or do you just like to repeat on here what some two bit hack job beat writer from Orlando wrote in his stupid article? Here is a link for all of you that want to become a little dumber and waste a few minutes of your life. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/football/jaguars/orl-sportsbianchi-column-nfl-tv-16091609sep16,0,2822391.column
by JCJag on Sep 17, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it in the newspaper
He’s on “The List”
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, Collin is second from the left in the picture
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mehehe
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the one reaching out
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need some clarification why
the side of anti Tebow gets front page while we Tebow cult followers have to watch :(. If its because no Strongly Tebow fanposts were made i’ll glad make one and present my case.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
excellent post
I regret posting Harvey = Terrible earlier, I wasn’t doing a good job communicating, it was the whole situation that was what was terrible.
I was worried that politics inside the org and/or with harvey himself was causing a problem I attributed to him not playing in the 2nd half… it’s not that I thought he was a terrible player or pick. In fact I’m 100% OK with using a first on a quality starting DE.
Just have to make sure that players on the field and onside with the program… and for the record, I also like JDR as a coach, especially this and next year.
by alsonot on Sep 17, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the keep Del Rio/anti-anti Tebow faction
Is there a faction for that?
by SoCalStites on Sep 17, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a member
I think JDR does a good job of coaching… his media skills are lacking somewhat. I don’t think Tebow is a franchise NFL QB… which means he cannot make a long term difference in ticket sales.
by KeithG on Sep 17, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, was that Anti Tebow?
if so, you’re out of the faction pal.
by SoCalStites on Sep 17, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I guess I’m out. I only read one of your "anti"s in your post. Yes, i’m anti-Tebow… unless he turns out to be franchise quality QB of course.
by KeithG on Sep 17, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's ok Keith
You can join our club with Collin and John.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll have meetings, You can be the president MTC...
I’ll co-chair, and John will be the treasurer…
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm horrible with money so I might need a different position
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 17, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In charge of getting the alcohol to and from the meetings... lol
how about that?
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offical term
“Beverage Transportation Offical”
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang
My faction is back down to 1
by SoCalStites on Sep 17, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
All year long we are going to hear about why we should draft Tebow especially if we are losing. I think that our front office staff now lead my Gene Smith will make the right decision and maybe piss alot off Gator faithful off when we draft someone else. I just hope we win so Espn will stop talking about this and people will buy tickets. 40 bucks people cmon!!
by CJag on Sep 17, 2009 5:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
does anyone think this is a pr gig?
when has WW ever talked about drafting in september?
We got articles on yahoo, an AP article. Jim Rome burned about us (which isn’t a big deal but its more media).
We got press. Any press is good press and we got good press.
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Sep 17, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its a Lane Kiffin tactic
Weaver is usually quieter, you’re right.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a lame one - if it is
and I do think it is. Why didn’t Wayne Weaver sit down with the local media and discuss it? Why is it national? I think the Jaguar marketing department is confused as t ohow to handle this situation with ticket sales.
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well writen article.
I’ll say it now. I’m for Jack as long as he is here. His methods are his own, who am I to question. I’d be “pro-” whatever other coach comes along too, as long as he is a part of my team. I’m pro JDR, it’s true. I’m pro all things Jags. Except failing as a franchise in Jacksonville. I’m pro Tebow. I’ve personal reasons for that, and if you can’t dig it then throw your shovel. But that’s me. I love zombies, so kudos on the photo and the analogy. Supporting something with passion doesn’t make you a zombie. In the end, we may be wrong. But belief is what it is. Wanting everyone to think on the same wavelength with no variance. That’s mob mentality, that’s a zombie. Single track minds…sharks and zombies. Both are cool, but you don’t wanna be one.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 17, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hm...
Can I be Pro-Tebow, Anti-Tebow as a Jag; Pro-Rio, Anti-Hate Posting?
Can’t we all be friends? Hey, an UF and FSU fan agreed earlier. Things are beginning to look positive!
by alwaysforgiven821 on Sep 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as long as you are a Jaguars fan, I will be a friend.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recomended!
I don’t agree with all that you’ve said, but you deserve to have this read on a higher level, by more than just BCC. Well done.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 17, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Del rio, Tebow, big errr pussy cats.....
In response to del rio support—- do you want your below average heart surgeon doing all he could as you die on the table???? i think not. Del rio is a below average NFL coach. He lacks exp and is not sure what he wants to do with the team from year to year. How many O-coordinators have the jags had……
the jags have not had an above average passing offense since brunell left. They got nothing for leftwhich as they let him go a week before the season just to save some bonus money, garrard is a below average QB best suited as a back up only for his scrambling abilities. the jags need more playmakers, MJD cant do it by himself. The previous drafts should partly fall in the lap of del rio as well since he should have some input on who the jags take. Jake needs help to make himself look better by getting a play making talented QB to help carry this team, ala, Peyton, Brady, Mcnabb, Palmer, Romo, ect….
as far as Tebow,, he aint the answer,,,
sure attendance will boom for a year or so, but when the team STAYS in the tank attendance will return to crap.
I am not saying that Tebow can’t be good, or even great… but you dont draft QBs to save your attendance.
I predicted less than 5 wins for the jags this year, but that might be a bit to high….
this team needs:
1. better “pass minded” QB
2. Better D line….
3. improve draft skills and scouting
3. if they want attendance to get better, get a NAME player in here via Free agency..as an example, they did not attempt to get Randy Moss when available…
Moss Went for a 4th round pick to NE…. Jags drafted a punter with one of their 2 4th round picks…. nice…..
sometimes. The jags could use some people in here that bring the national media to town, so they can finally be put on the map.
that being said, i hope the team improves before it has to leave…
by bigeazy29 on Sep 17, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright man, lets not be cynical
First off 3 does me after 3, just a technicality tho. I thin kwe have improved our drafting, look at what Gm Gene Smith has done. Name plays are sometimes too expensive and not worth the money, look at TO for instance, he’s already calling out his team. Randy Moss was a good move for them but there were still some character issues that we’re a bit influencing. Shack Harris was the Gm who made all those crazy draft picks like a P in the 4th. I think its illogical to have a team that kept the Colts to a 14 point game to go under 3 games if not at least 6 games won, I think you been kept out of the loop.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the site
A few things:
-This will be JDR’s 7th season as a head coach. That’s more experience than a lot of other coaches in the league.
-Above average offense? The Jaguars have never had a better offense than in 2007, and they ranked 7th overall in the NFL. That’s pretty far above average. This will also be Koetter’s third year with the Jaguars, which is a nice bit of continuity.
-Leftwich was let go because it was time to start healing the locker room. He would have been a terrible influence as a backup at that point in his career.
About your numbers:
1. I agree, Garrard needs to play better. I disagree, this is not beyond Garrard’s ability
2. I agree, the defensive line needs to get much better. This will likely be address in the coming offseason.
3. The Jaguars have tried expensive free agency, and it resulted in last year. That’s not happening again. Look at the Steelers: they send their employees on vacation at the start of free agency, and they’re pretty successful. You don’t need to overpay for talent.
Hope you enjoy BCC!
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steelers
Can we please stop comparing the Jags to the Steelers.
We are not The Rooney clan, they have had a mastermind in their personnel office by the name of Kevin Colbert.
WE DO NOT HAVE ONE.
The steelers comparisons are ludicrous, no team in the league can compare themselves to the steel curtain folks.
Before we go off and say Pitt does this and Pitt does that, let us at least have the same things to make the comparison proper.
Yo.
by Dale J. on Sep 17, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You missed my point
Every team wants to be like the Steelers, and now with a real GM with an impressive scouting resume in charge of the Jaguars, this team can start doing the same sort of things. The Jaguars are not the Steelers (clearly), but they’re taking positive steps with Gene Smith and he believes in their central philosophies: building through the draft, drafting the big guys first, and staying out of expensive free agency.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that quote... that should be the site's mantra...
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
put it up top
next to “violent football since 1995”
LateRoundPick.com
by Surteal on Sep 17, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And now it's my signature :)
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 18, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice...
You should trademark the phrase and make hats/shirts….
Maybe BCC should do that… lol
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by silencecs on Sep 18, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, that should be a BCC thing to do.
No way can I take credit.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 18, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won't do that... although it's a cool thought...
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by silencecs on Sep 18, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you think?
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 18, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would buy
In Gene We Trust
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your take on things...
actually if you look around the league there are a lot of teams that have hired coaches that are not very good, but fortunately the Jags aren’t one of them.
by Jaggernaut on Sep 17, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No one took my Brains
When WV hired JDR I thought it was a poor choice, I have always been a Tebow Fan, since he was a freshman; and I think we make poor personnel choices every year.
Hopefully we can get it together, but I just believe this entire “Rebuilding Year” is just an excuse for a coach and his staff who have worn out their welcomes.
Just my opinion.
Yo.
by Dale J. on Sep 17, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
An interesting thought
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Write-Up and to me what seems to be the only voice of reason..
by Enyce5943 on Sep 17, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the Site!
Another new member!
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome Enyce!
Welcome to the Den of Chaos!
Yo.
by Dale J. on Sep 17, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
explains so much
especially the initals :P
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 17, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About this post - my honest opinion
I think it is a good post for people who don’t think too deeply. If you really stop and consider the facts, it has no real substance. Here is my case:
1) Tim Tebow is simply the most impressive college player in a long time. Will he make a good NFL professional? I don’t know. I do know that rarely do you see someone generally considered the greatest college player ever emerge. Tim Tebow is a very rare individual. Discussions concerning him are worthy discussions and far removed from a mindless activity.
2) Chris arrived at the concluision he could no longer support Jack Del Rio. This is not because he lost the openning game nor is it a position he came to lightly. He expressed himself well, not mindlessly as is inferred. Discussing the coaching ability of your NFL team is considered mindless?
3) Derrick Harvey was obtained by selling out almost the complete 2008 draft. That was a huge price to pay and was considered a risky gamble to get to the Super Bowl. He isn’t performing. Will he ever perform? I don’t know. But if you sell out your entire draft, his performance is a subject of discussion. This is not a mindless activity but rather one that that would occur in every well vested NFL town.
4) We are shifting to a 3-4. We are? Who said so? The coach hasn’t said we are. But the defense looks like a 3-4 or sometimes like a 4-3. Is that a mindless discussion, what defense we are running? Do you think it wouldn’t be talked about in any other NFL city? I can guarantee it would be. Intelligent fans in Cleveland, Philadelphia, Chicago, or Pittsburgh would be all over this. We are supposed to ignore it?
In my view, the only mindless activity has been pushing the recommended button for this post. It offers nothing of value except to chide fans of a team for discussing their team. The discussions we are taken to task for by the author are excellent discussions.
Here is a mindless discussion, Jack DelRio is combing his hair differently. Here is a good discussion, will Tim Tebow make a good college QB. Is Jack Del Rio a good coach? Is Derrick Harvey going to be the anchor of the line? Are we switching defenses?
So someone who voted “recommend” on this post tell me what topics we can discuss. The players, the schemes, the coaches and the greatest college player ever (who comes from this city) are off limits. Under those rules, there is nothing left except mindless topics.
- Terry
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think the biggest thing I took away from this post and the main point of the this post is
That the fans seem to have forgotten that this is a rebuilding year. Somewhere along the training camp/preseason period everyone fell in love with this team and expected a Super Bowl. Now just one game and one loss into the season the fans have lost all the patience that we preached all summer. Combine that with the trouble with ticket sales and we have alot of people searching for reasons and solutions.
Everyone seems to be looking for the fix right now. Whether that fix be firing Del Rio, declaring Harvey a bust or drafting Tebow to sell tickets. I agree that the word “mindless” was probably not the best to describe this because it’s definitely not. But the point that we need to ground ourselves and have patience rang through for me.
by SoCalStites on Sep 17, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for understanding my point.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got your point - my point is you missed the point
If we beat Indy – would we not talk about Tebow? I think that discussion has to happen.
If we beat Indy – Would Chris have decided he liked Del Rio? No, that was a major shift for him.
If we beat Indy – Would Derrick Harvey be a star? No, we would discuss him.
The point is, these discussions have nothing to do with a rebuilding year or the loss as you imply. They are natural and good discussions people are going to have. These are what fans discuss. My opinion.
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by Tkopa on Sep 17, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Terry, tell me how you really feel
1) You make it sound like there shouldn’t be an argument here, like it should be a mindless discussion, only supporting your view. How can there be this much debate if Tebow’s so surefire? No one really knows what will happen, but I do know that I don’t want my beloved Jaguars in essence tying their future success and very existence to an unknown quantity who even many supporters admit would be a long-term project.
2) I respect Chris and his opinions. My ire is more directed at the kind of drive-by fanpost by one-hit wonders that show up here, spew bile about the coach, and then vanish into the woodwork. I agree that an honest discussion is legitimate, but there is nothing honest in that.
3) Again, it’s to ask about Harvey, but why have informed debate when we can just yell that he’s a bust even though he’s only started 10 games in his career? Unfortunately, that’s exactly what’s been happening.
I don’t think winning at Indy would’ve changed anything except the tone of the argument. Harvey is still the same player he was a week ago, but the level of vitriol directed at him is so much higher now. Same goes for Jack. We need patience.
Let’s have real discussions, not yelling. I need everyone to understand I am not attacking anyone personally. I’ve tried to back my opinions with facts. I don’t need anyone telling me I must be stupid for not seeing how obvious it apparently is that Tebow will be an unqualified success or Harvey and JDR are already unmitigated failures.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I can respect those points, (almost) but you wrote..
Just a few days after the Jaguars played better than anyone expected, suddenly everyone is head-over-heels for Tim Tebow, wants to fire Jack Del Rio, hates Derrick Harvey for not getting sacks while making a transition to a 3-4 end (whose job it is to play the run, not get sacks), and generally checked their brains at the door.
I don’t think any of the discussions we were having were tied to a loss at Indy or were mindless knee jerk reactions. I felt the people trying to have a good debate were simply dismissed by this post as having their brains removed. Far from it, the Tebow debate was extremely valuable with Youtube posts and analysis and facts. OK I am done.
Having said that – Wasn’t it cool to be posted on the front page and have people all over the place slap you on the back and congratulate you? It is quite a rush. I didn’t want to write any critique and ruin your moment until it had run for awhile.
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by Tkopa on Sep 18, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the consideration
It’s pretty awesome!
If I was anywhere near Florida I’d say let’s buy each other a beer at the game, but will you take a rain check?
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 18, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
It did seem like everything snowballed quickly, and there were people that wanted to have a good discussion, but there were also people that didn’t. But you’re right…I wrote this post in the heat in the moment. If I could go back, I might phrase some things differently. I’ll keep that in mind the next time I make a Fanpost…though this is only my 2nd one, and the other one came back in December, so it might be a while. Haha.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 18, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were in Florida we would have a beer and go to the game
You had a very popular post and a lot of people enjoyed it. I was glad for you.
I did feel a need to speak up for everyone trying to have a good discussion. Some people put a lot of thought into their comments. I like those people.
If you could see my hate mail for expressing an opinion, you would stay away from the front page. I warned Chris about the Del Rio reaction he would draw. The front page is not for the easily offended. Welcome to the front page.
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by Tkopa on Sep 18, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to Tkopa
We are probably the only fan base in the country, who is being attacked for speaking ill about our team.
Fans talk about the good and the bad all the time. It is called life.
When the Jags won 12 games a season ago, I was still calling for JDR to be fired. I am not gonna change my attitude because he says it is a rebuilding year.
Yo.
by Dale J. on Sep 18, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just plain ridiculous "analysis"
How is cherry picking stats from a couple of QBs who couldn’t quite hack it as starting NFL quarterbacks prove anything?!? I could find similar stats from successful QBs to “prove” that Tebow will be the second coming. The fact is, stats, watching tape on players, and evaluating their personality is an indication of whether or not a college player can be successful in the NFL. It’s not a perfect science. But the fact is that in every category, Tebow impresses. Sure his mechanics need improvement, but if drafted by the Jags, he can sit behind Garrard for 2 to 4 years and fix that.
Why is it crazy for fans to want the organization to pick a fan favorite that shows all the qualities that he can be an incredible NFL player? It’s crazy to think otherwise! Tim Tebow is a leader. He has the intelligence, size, and athleticism for the NFL. He puts up huge stats year in and year out. Tebow is a winner who (if he wins a third championship in 4 years) may widely be considered the best college football player of all time. Oh, and wouldn’t it be pretty cool to have a hometown player who the fans can really celebrate?
Yeah, Tebow supporters sure are nuts!
by DaFunke on Sep 17, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the site
I contend that you can’t find many stats pointing to success, simply because the college spread hasn’t been around long enough. The sample size is still very small because the offense is very new, but Vince Young and Alex Smith both are similar players with similar physical and intangible traits who played in the spread system. Their results speak for themselves. I’d love to think of a spread quarterback who is lighting it up in the NFL, but I honestly can’t think of even one. Tebow is impressive in every category, but so were they, and that is why I am not guaranteeing success. I have nothing against him, but I don’t want the Jaguars hedging their future and a 1st-round pick on a long-term project.
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex smith was coached by the same guy for goodness sakes...
He was the first overall pick and he didn’t even start last week… BUST!
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by silencecs on Sep 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe i got a little fired up
I AM a Gator after all (an alumn, not bandwagon) … but I seriously have never heard so much hate spewed towards someone who has been nothing but widely successful on the field and has all the personality traits a classy organization would dream of (ok maybe you don’t hate him but you and a ton of other fans seem to hate the idea of us drafting him).
I personally disagree with choosing the spread offense as the critical factor in selecting comparisons, although I can understand why you might do so. I think it would be just as valid to choose QBs from championship teams … or QBs from top 25 teams … or Heisman winners … or any number of pivotal factors. I think to be fair, that should be 1 (although probably large) factor in looking at the 100s of factors in an evaluation. But you said it yourself, there’s a pretty small sample size … so I could easily (and accurately) contend that ONLY TWO highly touted QBs from the spread offense did not live up to the hype. Big deal.
Look at his stats, his attitude, his level of competition, his mechanics, his physique, and his coaching as a whole. It’s not fair or accurate to pick one of those to base an opinion.
You do make a good point about using a first round pick on a long term project. But I don’t think we have a Matt Jones situation here. I think he could be useful day 1 … similar to how he was used at Florida his Freshman year. Mainly as a glorified runner who has the ability to beat you with the pass. It could very well turn into a Mike Vick situation that Philly has right now … how will teams defend that? Imagine Garrard, MJD, and Tebow in the backfield … good luck defense!
As far as guaranteeing success, well, neither am I. Nobody can guarantee success for any college player, but that doesn’t mean we just pick names out of a hat either. We go on what we’ve got and from where i’m sitting comfortably in my seat as just another fan with an opinion, Tebow looks pretty damn good.
(Plus I’d love another Gator to cheer for in my crappy end zone seats!)
by DaFunke on Sep 17, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Go Gators!
I’m an alum too, so you’ll never see me hating on our guys. You’re right – the spread should only be one consideration, but the fact that College Alex Smith compares so well to him scares me. I’m also not crazy about his mechanics or his speed.
I really wish him success, I really do. If the Jags can take him in the third round and fans can have appropriately lowered expectations, then I’m for it. The third round is a perfect place to take projects with high upsides. And if I’ll be cheering for him no matter what.
Thanks for a great comment! Go cure cancer…
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll never last till the third
I read somewhere (rumor mill) that Dan Snyder is high on him … hmmm, maybe THAT should be the one factor we look at. So, nm, I take it all back….
Personally, I think getting him as a future franchise QB would be worth a low 1st rounder. But that’s only if the organization is smart and uses him as a fullback type for 2-4 years (a la freshman year) and can fix those mechanics to make him into more of a mobile passer.
Cudos on the interesting article … got lots of interest (and me to stop lurking and actually sign up). now go write the great American novel…
by DaFunke on Sep 17, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.
1) He is not even worth a 1st round pick. He is a developmental project so in my opinion he is only worthy at most to a mid 2nd round pick.
2) You just said you want your future franchise QB to be used as a fullback type for 2-4 years. That doesn’t make any sense. Tebow isn’t fast enough or big enough to be bullying linemen or linebackers like he did in college. All that those end zone runs will be shut down and he is too slow to roll out and outrun the defense on the edge. He want be faced with teams with huge disadvantages at all aspects of the game. Even the Detroit Lions would shut all that running down.
In addition, I have never in my life heard of drafting a QB in the first round, and using him as fullback for 2-4 years, then making him a franchise QB. That is just insane. If we need a fullback we will draft a fullback. Did you ever hear the Steelers (I’m going to get back to them since Tebow is probably slightly more comparable to Big Ben as far as physique), Patriots, Colts, Ravens, or Falcons ever say they were going to use their franchise QBs to pound it in as a FB. No, because when they drafted their guys they found someone who played in a pro-style system, could make all the throws with zip, had pocket presence, and sharp field vision not some gimmick dump pass, jump ball, pound it in over disadvantaged teams type QB.
3) So really what are you drafting Tebow for? He is not going to burn you with his speed a la Vick who was running 4.2 or better out of college (I bet he could still run a 4.2 in a hot minute).
And he isn’t a pro-ready QB like Matt Ryan who is arguably lined up to be the next Brady or Manning. He doesn’t have the arm like Ryan, Flacco, or more recents like Sanchez, or Stafford.
He is sort of like Roesthlisberger in that he is big and can run, but again he doesn’t have the cannon that Big Ben has nor the field vision.
He could possibly be a decent Fullback but Tebow isn’t even half a Greg Jones.
So my best bet is TE.
by Slvrgun on Sep 18, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? The MOST ridiculous statement EVER?
Wow, I feel honored.
But I guess it’s crazy for me to suggest we pick up a player in the first round that may need some work on his technique. I mean, we all know that every WR, D Lineman, and DB are ready to go out the gate and are just brilliant. Oh, wait … those guys are usually considered ‘projects’ or need a lot of work on their technique for a couple years before being incredibly productive. Uh, oh, that list seems to be needs for the Jags. Well, let’s pack it in boys because we’re all screwed. Hmm, maybe it would be a GOOD thing we still have a good QB in Garrard so that we can give our future QB some time to develop the one thing that he’s not NFL-ready. Because he’s pretty damn spectacular in every other category.
The fullback statement was just one way he can be effective his first year. Stick him in the backfield so he can be a running and passing threat on 5-10 plays a game. To think that he can’t run for a few yards a carry in the NFL is just silly. In fact, all of this hate on Tebow is just silly. The author of the article pulled out some stats and compared him to 2 QBs that didn’t live up to the hype. So what? IMO, that’s an interesting point, but certainly not proof! Does Tebow need work? Sure he does. Do 99% of players coming out of college need work? YES! But to cherry pick 1 or 2 things to knock him on and just discount everything else IS ridiculous.
by DaFunke on Sep 18, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you from arkansas?
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by Surteal on Sep 18, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a quick question
If Tebow averages 3.8 yards per run at college level, why do you think he could be an effective runner at NFL level? I’m sorry, but it seems “silly” to me to expect him to do in the NFL what he can’t really do at college level.
by KeithG on Sep 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you why.
1) He is a gator homer.
2) He is a delusional fan that believes that Tebow is the best ever player in college ever.
3) He thinks 3.8 yards a run is really 5.0 yards in that new measurement called tebows abbreviated (tbws)
by Slvrgun on Sep 18, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
Is awesome. I know it drives you nuts that he’s loved the way he is. Stats aren’t enough. The story runs deeper, if you don’t get it…you never will. He is great! He is a hero. But you know what? You’re somebody too. You are loved. I love you.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 18, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly wasn't sure about you, but you just won me over
You’re awesome.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 18, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
I struggled for awhile. I’m realizing I’m identified by my words. I feel I’ve misrepresented myself recently. I’m going to change that.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 18, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love Fest Alert
Keep a safe distance.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a jaguars fan
which is the most important thing. Do not demean others if they are delusional about tebow or not please.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 19, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
His YPC is 4.3 … 3.8 was last year. What’d I tell you boys about cherry pcking stats? It really doesn’t help your argument. It just makes you look like haters. His Freshman YPC was 5.3 and THAT role was the example of how I suggested he could be used at first.
And Slvrgun, yeah, I’m a UF alumn, so I love to see players from there be successful. But that doesn’t make me wrong. I NEVER made these claims about Chris Leak. I knew he didn’t have the physical capabilities for the next level. I love watching Reggie Nelson out there, but I always wondered if he had the size to play at a great level … and I think he’s an ok starter with flashes of brilliance and flashes of getting burned. If I’m delusional to think that Tebow MIGHT (I never said IS) become the best player to play college ball, then I’ve got a lot of company … many in the so-called experts community. I know, I know, what a moron homer to think someone who might become a dominant leader of a 3 time national champion team and 2 time heismann winner might be the best player. What a dope I am.
oh, and “measurements called tebows” … LOL ROFL LMAO. PLEASE don’t stop the whitty comments. They are just HILARIOUS!
by DaFunke on Sep 18, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love your opinion
not becuase you havea more pro-Tebow view but i love how you put facts and all that wonderful items into a comment. Thanks for joining the site, Can’t wait for Saturday fellow Gator.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which endzone do you sit it?
curiosity killed the cat.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-Houston Texans fans ca. 2005 who in retrospect are pretty happy
lol on Battle Red website the fans are in never ending punishment as Texan fans, lol they are so sarcastic to their team its laughable, lol. :)
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's pick rushing touchdowns as a stat.
You are right, we can selectively choose any stats we want to make a case for or against.
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by Tkopa on Sep 18, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beaten out by Shaun Hill
SHAUN HILL!! And they could’ve had Aaron Rodgers…
I hope we don’t sit around a few years from now saying, “If only we’d taken Christian Ponder/Colt McCoy/Dan LeFevour/Tony Pike…” Now I’m even more frightened of His Holiness (if you heard me Tim, don’t worry…please get me a BCS championship!)
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 17, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think anybody with an arm can play on that team
Tho i think Singletary might actually find a decent one eventually.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
we could be yelling COLT MCCOY! We could’ve had TIM TEBOW!
But I don’t think we’ll have to worry about taking him … he won’t be a top 10 pick. And I’m not a Jags hater. I still buy my tix. Just been burned too many times with high hopes … Pessimism is just a defense mechanism :)
by DaFunke on Sep 17, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I commend you for putting up a very interesting stat. living in tebow land and having to listen to him being proclaimed the greatest of all when he is surrounded by outstanding talent I once would love to see if this guy being the great leader he is and HE IS if he could take another college team ….lets just say a middle of the road team like michigan state or mississippi state and the stats be the same?
your comparison was outstanding. tebow is NOT the greatest qb ever. not even close. the greatest leader ever? now that he could be and probably is. but when you get in the pros its a whole different world. the fact that you put up alex smith who actually had better stats and is a complete flop says something. this is the first time Ive actually seen comparisions of his stats compared to other flops. when I see the best college qb ever and tebow is listed I laugh hard. not even close.
as much as would hate the jags getting a great qb coming from a colts fan…getting tebow would be the nail in the coffin for you guys. I think colt mccoy would be a scary good addition to your team. the fact that wayne weaver is telling the entire national media that he wants a player who is regional just because he an icon here and it would bring more tickets is ridiculous. did wayne forget that half of florida is northerners and not everybody who is a jags fan is a gator fan. thus drafting another gator not for the best player but for $$$ is a ridiculous claim for an owner. see drafting two out of three gators in the past as their first round pick. granted they arent tebow but they were indeed fan favorites of the gators in the past
thank you for putting up the stats. maybe wayne will see this for his very own eyes and enjoy who has now instead of making these ridiculous claims the 2nd game into the season. I commend you on your column
by kinnickcolt on Sep 18, 2009 5:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kinnick i have no comment
except that you mad a good argument
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by Surteal on Sep 18, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great points
but think that the people of Jacksonville want him more for the fact that he’s from Jacksonville & there is a sense of pride that people have for him because he can relate to the people of Jacksonville. His accomplishments & being a Gator are secondary IMO. If he was from Dallas with the same credentials, I dought there would be as much clammoring for him.
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by JagsNguyen on Sep 18, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right
He is a Jacksonville guy and a hero in this town. To make it even better, he won the National Championship for the Gators. How much bigger can you get?
The emotion around him is so strong, it can be denied. That is what Wayne Weaver acknowledged. His star power and attraction, not his ability to lead the Jaguars to a Super Bowl. WW said he could sell tickets and that was Wayne being realistic and kind to Tim.
TO be honest, his style of College ball wouldn’t translate to the NFL. The only hope is he has a tremendous competitive spirt and a huge amount of athletic ability and leadership. Someone will take a chance on him and they might be very well rewarded for it.
It will be fun to watch.
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by Tkopa on Sep 18, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How the hell is he a hero?
Who did he save, rescue?
When did he put his life on the line?
He is just a god fearing football player. When was that ever considered heroic?
by Slvrgun on Sep 18, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK fine - He is a much admired person in this town
I think he did save a litter of kittens one time.
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by Tkopa on Sep 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
I know you’re miserable. Would you like to talk about it? I’m a good listener. I’m going to put my email up on my profile.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miserable?
Maybe that’s how you feel when you wake up.
When people start calling Tebow a Hero I have a problem. He has done nothing but win college football games. That is not heroism. Heroism is laying your life on the line everyday in the face of danger to protect and serve other individuals. Firefighters, policemen, the military, those are Heroes. Some great college football player is not a hero. Don’t get it twisted.
by Slvrgun on Sep 18, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is my hero!
Because in an age where God is a bad word, he Stands. He’s a leader. You’ve got it twisted, brother. I wake with a smile everyday. It almost makes my wife angry. She says, “how can you be so happy when you wake up?” She makes fun of me by miming sleep and then sitting bolt upright and smiling with wide eyes and doing “jazz hands”. I’m happy. You’re common thread comes across as the opposite. I don’t think people believing Tim is a hero is your problem. But there is a problem. I just want to help you. I’m here if you need me.
Standing by,
v
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 18, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol jazz hands
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks kinnick
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 18, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A miracle has occured
I found something worth reading!!! I thought i’d never live to say this to you in particular, Thanks for adding your 2 cents to the discussion. I think I might fly to moon, its just that incredible. :]
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 18, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
One of the stupidest rants I’ve seen in a long time. Pick out a few names, then make a comparison. Then use this to suggest that Jags should love Del Rio( I know he’s demonstrated to Jags fans he knows how to build a winner) and hate Tebow. I would love to know the basis of suggesting the tangibles nad, especially, the intangibles, are the same for ll three QBs
by Cammee on Sep 18, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I seriously don't see how
anyone could’ve watched Tim Tebow in that game this past week against Tennessee and still think he’d make it in the NFL as a QB.
I don’t question his athleticism or his leadership ability. But he’s NOT an NFL Passer and I don’t think he ever will be.
by pksiv on Sep 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is passion
Tebow has a passionate following. Facts are not allowed to get in the way of their belief in Tebow as a winner.
A question: when a guy like Tebow arrives on the scene in College, why isn’t more of an effort made to develop him as a QB? Surely it would benefit the Gators if Tebow could actully make all the throws etc?
by KeithG on Sep 22, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.... he has t learn how to control himself inside the box
He has to learn how to control himself inside the box. He freaks out and just “tosses” the ball to the first person that is in his sight.
by Miss.Shortjag on Sep 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he had a below average game
Lets not get into, Oh this week he looks like bust contest.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll admit that his play in the game was a concern.
Can he make all the throws? I’d say no, right now. Could he with proper coaching and development? I’d wager he could. Florida obviously misses the receivers lost in the draft. That’s clear. He’s still clutch. We have a whole season left to analyze his skill. It’s silly to question his big play ability or his courage in the pocket. I’ve never seen Tim “freak out”. I have seen him “just toss” the ball. The kid has potential, even if it’s not at QB. He’s dynamic, the blind could see that.
Furthermore, I submit to you that he did beat Monte Kiffin’s pro-style defense. While some weaknesses were exposed, he did when the game. Let’s not forget that.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 22, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just curious
I’ve never seen a Gators game before, but I take it the whole team is stacked with talent? What I’m getting at is… would Tebow be as “good” as he apparently is if the rest of the team was rubbish? Is Tebow making the rest of the players shine, or is he relying on them for production?
These are honest questions, I’m not trying to create nay trouble over Tebow here.
by KeithG on Sep 23, 2009 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow
would be an amazing athlete on any team. His natural athleticism and leadership ability is without question. Would he take Central Florida or another 2nd tier team to the BCS Championship, probably not. But he is a very talented athlete.
The only thing I question is his ability to play QB at the NFL level. Actually, it’s not even a question. He doesn’t have the skills to do it. The past 2 seasons they’ve tried to add more pocket-passing to the play-calling and he just can’t do it unless his receivers are running wide open. Heck, they tried a little in the TEN game but in the end, he used his feet to secure the victory.
by pksiv on Sep 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd have to see for yourself how amazing he can be.
I’d not gush over the man if he were mediocre. He’d not be the sensation in the media if he were average. Jacksonville is not the only town in America that has uttered the name of Tebow, despite what the FSU fans would have you believe. The man makes plays. He is not “good”, he is great. However, he may not be a premier passer at this time. Neither are Garrard or Pennington, both have been to the playoffs in the NFL.
Last year the Gators were “stacked”. This year? Well, they’re still number one. Harvin and Murphy are missed. Without them, we’ll have to see just how clutch he is. We’ve got LSU and Georgia coming up, both could be volatile games that go either way. I think I’ll reserve final judgment for awhile…
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 23, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Garrard and Pennington are head and shoulders
above where Tebow is as a passer of the football. It’s not even close.
by pksiv on Sep 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time will tell.
Chad was in his third year before he could maneuver into the starting position. How long did David ride the pine pony before getting the nod?
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 26, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good lord, people… take a freaking break and take a walk, go shopping, volunteer your time somewhere… just do something other than beat, beyond death, the subject of players the Jaguars do not even have… how is that supportive of the Jaguars right now?… i’m sure someone will take my OPINION and feel it’s directed right at them… which is always kinda funny, but…. i’ll always say i do my best to support my team and whoever is on the field today… not some college players from around the country who might be on the team next year…
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by cuffs007 on Sep 26, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
May we speak?
You’ve declared a subject that interests me dead. So now I should fall silent at your bequest? A question was asked and answered…more dialogue has followed. Allow us our freedom, eh?
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 26, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
talk all you want. i couldnt care a less. like i said, someone would take my opinion and feel it’s directed right at them.
since you told me that a person should be smart enough to discern what a person is saying by reading their words, i would’ve imagined you could glean from my statement that i would rather support my team NOW and not yack yack yack about players who aren’t even here… cool?
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on Sep 26, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blah
plus, i also said to take a freaking break… no where did i say to fall silent at my bequest… and, also, no where did i say, or infer, that the subject is dead…
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on Sep 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the difference?
My words convey the same meaning as yours. You want my conversation on a subject matter to cease. I think I summed that up. Even still, I must respectfully decline.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 27, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
taking a break means you come back to the subject… ceasing means you stop and do not come back… better?
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on Sep 27, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right then.
So is the break over, boss?
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 27, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aye aye cap’n… break is over… you may continue the discussion in earnest… I’ll look the other way! hehe
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by cuffs007 on Sep 27, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in fact, i’ll start it back up again… I hope Tim is doing better today… I’m sure you’re right in that this extra week for the Gators will be good for his recuperation… watching him barf while being carted off was pretty sick (no pun intended)
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on Sep 27, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know i didnt start it up again, but it was fun to think that, if only for a nanosecond
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by cuffs007 on Sep 27, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in any case, viator, i like reading your opinions and thoughts on everything… it may be different than mine, it actually might be the same, but it’s normally interesting… thanks for sticking around and not leaving BCC!
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on Sep 26, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
I like reading my opinions too. Ha! Seriously, I find your opinions interesting as well. That is why I returned.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 27, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah FSU
Gator supremacy vs Kentucky.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 26, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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