Arizona@Jaguars - The view from the Stadium
The stadium was empty. They said 46,000 people were there, but I swear there were more at the Washington preseason game. The thing that had to hurt Wayne Weaver was the almost completely empty club seats on the visitor side. If the Jaguars gain a significant amount of revenue from ticket sales, this team is headed for bankruptcy.
The problem is, the only winners of the game were the people who didn't come to see it. Loyalty aside, this was one of the worst home game experiences I have had in the four seasons I have been attending. To me and my friend who came with me, the game was over when they failed to score a touchdown to tie the game. We both ordered up another beer and said you can't trade touchdowns for field goals.
There is a marked difference between Kurt Warner and David Garrard. Kurt Warner knew where the defense was soft on each play and took us apart. At one time he was 24 of 26 in pass completions and left early. Nothing spectacular, but a beautiful precision of reading coverage and knowing where to go. How much more could he have done if he played the entire game? Larry Fitzgerald was taken out of the game, but we might have been too consumed by him. It was too easy for Kurt. It isn't that he didn't have pressure, it was he read and executed so much faster than David did. You can't rush the guy because he doesn't have the ball very long. Someone said he could be 100 years old and still beat us. I think he could.By comparison, David didn't look like he read the defense until the ball was snapped. It honestly looked like we had no game plan. Every play looked like sandlot football. Don't anyone say receivers weren't open. I watched Troy run curl routes all day and David never looked. I really wish they had put in Luke McCown just to see if it made a difference. The Cardinals did not play anything special against us on defense and I wonder what is wrong. Is it Dirk Koetter? Is it the line? Is it David? Some of it was the line, but a lot of it looked to be David. He runs around, but I don't think he sees the field and I don't think he picks up on reading defenses and knowing where to go. Kurt Warner playing for the Jaguars would have completed more passes. To be fair to David, Eugene missed people again and blitzing David is almost too easy. And more to Davids credit Marcedes dropped a beautiful ball in the opening drive and Nate Hughes had two touchdowns bounce off his chest and Torry Holt was hit right in the hands and dropped it. So David scrambled and hit people but it wasn't going to make a difference. Kurt Warner knew something David didn't, where to go with the ball.
I saw someone awarded the game ball to Mike Sims-Walker. Maybe by statistics you could but not by play when it really counted. I'd have to award a half of game ball to Torry Holt. He was making plays when there was still some semblance of a game, as in the first quarter and a half. I can't imagine how frustrated Torry must be having played with Kurt Warner. Let Torry call the plays was what I kept thinking, he knows what a good offense is. Actually, the guy that really deserved it was Justin Durant again. If I were another team and could steal players from other teams if I assumed their salary, I would steal Justin Durant and Scobbie from the Jaguars.
The people around me who have had tickets for 15 years agreed on one point. This looks to be a very badly coached team. If you don't believe me and want to defend Del Rio, fine, but it was very sloppy play. The body language of JDR on the sidelines says he is not in control. He looks perplexed out there. Yell at me all you want, but buy a ticket and go see it for yourself. Remember, this is a guy being paid the same level as a coach who has won a super bowl. JDR got a huge salary increase somewhere around 13 losses ago. Mike Smith is 13-5 since leaving and Jack Del Rio is 5-13 since he left. You can't tell me coaching isn't a factor. This team did not show up today looking like an NFL team and there was no organization or fire. Maybe losing does that to you.
I don't want to go into any more impressions. You guys will defend Jack Del Rio and David Garrard and Eugene Monroe and everyone else with passion. I really don't care to defend anyone, but this is not a team on the rise and this is not a product on the field that will inspire people to come and see. The empty seats spoke for themselves. Right now, there is no magic happening at the stadium and no one seems to know how to bring it back. Wayne Weaver must be sick by what he saw today.
- Terry O'Brien
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Terry, where were you at?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
Section 106 Row V seats 7-8
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I was in 124 and have never seen the NEZ as deflated as it was after the FG block for a TD
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Game over at that point - maybe earlier
Did the write-up reflect what you saw?
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Let me put it this way, last home game I had been to before this was the 2004 Texan's Christmas game and it's a toss up as to which was worse
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen a home win in one year now
Last years Houston game was the last time I saw a win and that was barely a win. I skipped the GB game. It has been a long expensive stretch of bad football.
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Yeah, it is what it is
Though I will give credit to the crowd. If we ever build a new stadium and do it properly, we would have the loudest crowd in the NFL.
Also, even before the blocked FG I felt things were getting out of hand. We get a game changing gift that the New England or Pittsburghs of the NFL would have turned into a touchdown in 4 plays. Instead, we dick around for 3 and proceed to give the gift right back.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The crowd was pretty loud at times even if it was 45.5k big
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Also, I'm very concerned with Monroe
The dude simply hasn’t looked like a legit LT yet
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
I feel your pain Jag fans.
8 and 8 has been our high point so far, and I’ve seen every horrible loss. Monroe is going to need some help from tight ends or backs to deal with Mario Williams. Him and the rookie Cushing have been our only bright spots on defense so far this year.
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Happy Now Tits?
Nice to see a Texans fan
a bit sparce in these parts. Good job on the Tit WIn.
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They banned me
because I talked down on Finnegan. They get touchy after Texans punk them on their own field after they had 10 days to prepare. Just keep the faith, I remember the tough gritty Jag teams of the past. Can’t be bad forever, as a Texan fan I hope thats true
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I hear you Terry.
I was thinking the same thing about Del Rio. He has no clue what is going on. As for David, this team needs a QB fast. Garrard just waits, waits, waits, and waits before he even thinks about throwing the ball. Also if this is how the season is going to play out, then the jags better plan on losing another chunk of there fan base, because this crap is getting old real real fast. Also the defense looked pathetic today, and I swear to god if they do not take Reggie Nelson out soon I am going to lose my mind.
Were you in the stadium?
25,000 season tickets will look good if this continues.
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The Pins are set up
Wayne Weaver can knock them down. I just hope we don’t trade a plague for another. if it is finally decided to expunge jack, make sure we don’t mess up with the next coach.
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I foundout where my seats were
Section 202, on the right side of the Bud Zone.
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I expected something like this from you Terry
The first half was terrible, I joked íat the Hungarian site that the fact that I watch my team beat in to the ground msuggest I’M a bit masochistic.
I hope next week will be better, but the week will be looong and with lot of negative things, ticketsales, and LA. I just write a comment about Calais Cambell and Harvey and how Shack Harris is responsible for this mess.
How the rookies played (Britton, Knighton, and Cox)?
What record do you expect after the first 2 games for the byeweek?
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 20, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
Plus did you made pictures this time?
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 20, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No pictures allowed for real games
I think. I don’t want my camera taken away.
If anyone knows if cameras are allowed for games, let me know.
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In the heat the camara would of melted
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They are, I was down in the SEZ before the game talking to a guy taking a lot of pics and who said he
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
would post them on here
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I really think that unless Jack gets things turned around fast. he'll be gone and Koetter will be used as the interim head coach
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
The Horror
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Holmgren
Billick is old and we have no further use of him.
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If you want old and experienced, how about Marty Schottenheimer?
I am a new Jags fan and did not see any of this game. I was pretty surprised at Warner’s performance as he did not look very good versus San Fran the week before. The Jags seemed to be pretty stout against the Colts last week. What happened?
Last point. I have never been a fan of JDR or his type of coach. I think there are plenty of experienced assistants around who deserve a shot before you try and hire a marquee has been.
What was the brain part of his statement?
Not saying anything negative about his comment or him, I just wondered what you were reacting to, that’s all.
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Collin thinks that somehow Marty Ball might actually work this time around
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 21, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey FSB,
you going to do a get to know the Jaguars post at Battle Red blog?
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I think a fanpost of all available and potential candidates should be made
for hypothetical discussions :)
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OUT OF CONTROL
Great observation T.O. like yourself I to am a 4 year season ticket holder of the Jaguars. Prior I was with the Buccaneers my job moved me to Tallahassee and since I enjoy football and unable to drive to Tampa and back to Tallahassee in a day I decided to join the Jaguars.
I am extremely frustrated with losing and in what I’ve observed from the offense and defense at todays game. The team look unprepared for the Cardinals. Defense most every play look wide open uncovered Cardinals running in open field and catching passes in open field. Cards kept turning the ball over and over again to us we could not do anything with it. Obviously the Cards have a SuperStar team and the Jaguars well what can I say some players we have are SuperStars but it is becoming apparent that the Coaching staff isn’t.
People on the bubble for me are Jack, Kotter, Shulla, and Garrard thus far. I like Jack and Garrard but without Mike Smith they are not producing. Mike Smith for the Jags was like Monte Kiffin for the Buccaneers. Garrard would stand a better chance if Shulla wasn’t his QB coach. I watched Shulla Offensive Coordinate when he was with the Bucs and he was a Joke, since then I have no care for him and it shows up in David, thus why he isn’t reading defense’s cause Shulla isn’t effective in that area. So David is going to get the raw end of the Deal, he’s the QB and has to make plays happen so he is in the top hot seat. If players caught there pass’s then David would not have been put in this position. So to be wise David deserves two more starts to get things going and if things are still in disarray, it’s not David but the Coaches fault. Saying that the next thing that will happen is Luke McCown will be put in knowing the offense for what 5 weeks and he’ll then become taking the blame for all the wrong doings of the offense.
THE FINGER POINTING RIGHT NOW IS THE COACHING STAFF! The first 4 games of every season are always full of mistakes. Around the 5th game the players are in shape, Coaches are coaching, Calling plays is better and usually consistency happens.
Jack Delrio has to be the salesman after everygame just like Garrard and other players. The press wants to ask questions and after a loss they have to deliver answers. That’s the hardest thing in the world to ever do.
I think the owner Mr. Weaver needs to step down onto the sidelines at a home game get all the coaches in a huddle in front of us fans and give a grand chewing, stating either get this team coordinated or else.
I like to watch film and review the errors thats how I get my best read of the play. Since the Jags games can’t sell out it’s more of a challenge to record a game. I was really in awe of the missing fans 3 seats to my left were Chuck and Will sat enjoying losing and winning with me was great, now those seats are abandoned and leaves the sense of erie.
Even though this looks like a repeat of last year so far. I’ll still be at the game in 2 weeks setting in my seat wearing my estranged outfit, acting like an idiot who thinks he knows what he’s talking about, enjoying the Jaguars game win or other.
GO JAGS WIN!!! or else
G DUNN
by HELLMET HEAD on Sep 20, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wonderful
That should be a fan-post.
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Welcome to the site
What section are you in/ You should be easy to spot!
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+1
Everyone who wants Del Rio Gone they now have a valid case to get him fired
by jesusjagfan2009 on Sep 21, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Terry, I saw a few people with cameras. However, I think the lense can only be so long
What I saw this GAME:
Defense didn’t account for all the receivers, te’s, and rb’s. If the WR’s were covered, then the RB was WIDE open in the flats. THEN, we had Daryl Smith covering Larry Fitz in the flats??? Seriously? D.Cox looked like he was worried about getting beat deep all game. He played 10-13 yds off the ball the whole time. Harvey-AWFUL.
Offense: Garrard doesn’t see the play happen. He looks lost at times. I only saw him make one or two reads; then run, that’s it. You have to make more. Monroe played like Robert Gallery his rookie year (awful; gallery is now a G.) Holt earned his check. The Jags scored TWO TD’s on a PREVENT defense (nothing to be happy about)
ST: Why do we only have Linemen on our FG team???? No one couldve caught Adrian Wilson because all there were was linemen running after him (other then scobee and podlesh)
Overall; my prediction we will definitely start 0-4; unfortuntately. Warner was 24-26 for 243 and 2 TD’s. In 2 and a half quarters. SAD.
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 20, 2009 9:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Given that you play semi-pro ball
I take what you write as gospel. Do you see player problems or coaching problems? I can’t see as good as you can into that level.
Glad you got away for the game, did your dad go with you?
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Both Terry. The QB coach has to work with David to make more reads. Why was there no screen call from Dirk? It seems towork at least twice in a game for us. I didn’t feel like we gave the ball to MJD as much as we should have. We hit the panic button in the first half. When they went up 17-3; we started passing. ALTHOUGH mjd was tearing up the Defense. Defense looked lost; didn’t see a single DIME package. Saw Nickel, but no DIMe.
Players; what is being done or how they being held accountable for dropped passes or bad reads? After Nate dropped those TWO TD’s he went back into the game? WHY? I would’ve told him to grab the bench kid. David needs to know where his WR’s are going before hand and read the play before the ball is snapped. Monroe needs to take a seat. I honestly think Tra will help the line right now. It might Monroe’s confidence, but at least he can watch a Pro-bowler
My dad wasn’t able to make it down from Atlanta; he was laid-off few months ago, however he will be down for the game on Oct 18th. (Ill e-mail you tomorrow)
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 20, 2009 10:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, another thing that KILLED us was the YAC (yards after catch) by the cards. That was awful.
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 20, 2009 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
RB's
They got good RBs that catch the ball and run the ball.
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reminiscen of trent edwards isn't it?
I got a question for ya. How long should it take the average starting QB in the NFL to make 3 reads and how many do you see Garrard take in that same time?
ok it was 2
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Loosing 4 games
If you loose 4 games early in the AFC you will not go to the playoffs in the AFC.
Just a footnote.
Yo.
I think that is a safe bet
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I think i Knew that already
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Heartbreaking...
The play of the Jaguars was astonishingly atrocious on almost every level. I’m starting to see your point about JDR, Terry. It was sad. A blocked field goal?! Really?! Come on, Monroe.
There were a few moments that felt great, but they were overshadowed by the many mistakes. If it’s going to be this rough, why not activate Dillard and Thomas and give them a look. Williamson and Hughes seem to have shown false promise in the preseason. Give the rooks a shot.
I still believe in our team. It’ll get better. It has to get better. Right?
Go Jags…yay
Vae Victis!
I need some aloe
And a band aid for my shattered heart. Sims-Walker shone the lone bright spot of the game.
Vae Victis!
Tebow next year, Eric Berry next year, wishful thinking
A placebo of hope-Titans are 0-2.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention BCC was repping on the Jumbotron
someone texted In Gene We Trust
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 20, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
Next game i go to i'll text a couple times,
Go to Bigcatcountry.com for Jags inside Info.
Get a little PR abrewing.
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Bleak
That’s the word I’d use to describe how this sounds, how I feel, how I feel others feel….. bleak.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Sep 20, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
Well after 2 weeks I'm 2 for 2
I said last week that my expectations for the season were not hight at all. I walked away from last week’s game pleasantly surprised. This week all I could do was shake my head. However, I normally would be beside myself, and angry about the loss. Alas, I was not angry. I actually like the fact that I was not angry. Disappointed if all phases yes, but not angry.
Thanks for the post Terry. I was actually wondering what you, and John (FSBlue) would have to say. I guess you can say that we’re on the same wave length.
Unfortunately below anger is apathy
Apathy means ‘who cares, I am finding other things to do". Jacksonville isn’t the north, where fall equals football. In Jacksonville, there is golfing or boating, or plenty of other things to do.
If the attendance stays at 45,000, it will set new lows for the NFL. This town will not pay to watch this low level of football. This is a crisis Wayne Weaver faces. Los Angeles doesn’t even have a stadium, they can’t get approval. Even if they did, there is no moving for two more seasons.
If I were Wayne Weaver I would be worried. He doesn’t have to rebuild the team, he will have to rebuild the fan base after this, Imagine nothing changes and more people lose interest. Season ticket sales going into next year will be even harder. He will look to Minnesota for answers and hire a Brett Farve type player to sell tickets. It will be a horrible decline of desperation. Gene Smith is the only way out.
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I think at this point he;d lose more money moving away
Contract with the City and all
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Each game throughout the season
I really only want to see one thing: improvement. Show some progress week to week, bring the kids along, and I’ll be happy. I haven’t seen any of that, especially today. It seems the team regressed in all three phases of the game. The rookies and younger players are getting worse, not better. Who’s responsible for that? The coaching staff, of course. It’s frustrating to watch, and I’m sure it’s even more frustrating for the front office. All you ask of your coaching staff is to teach the players how to play the game and to motivate them to play at the best of their ability. I’m not seeing that from the current staff. If this trend continues there has to be no choice but to clean house.
I get what you are saying
But they can train and teach them the way to do things and hope they do it but if not then they need to do something about it. Coaching team is not out on the field with the players to make sure the catch every ball or tackle every player but they have gave them the info to make plays and it is up to them to do it.
by Miss.Shortjag on Sep 21, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats true
but also if there’s something on the field that’s going wrong, e.g. Monroe’s blocking technique is poor, somebody has to fix it. Garrard making bad reads? Somebody on the coaching staff has to help him out and coach him up about his progressions. There’s a lot wrong out on the field and it doesn’t seem much is being done to correct it. That is where the progress comes in from week to week. It’s learning from your mistakes and not repeating them. I see the same players making the same mistakes snap after snap, play after play, week after week, and not a whole lot is being done about it.
Rumors of Jags leaving for L.A.
There was talk of the Cards moving to L.A. a few years ago before we started winning. Even though there are nearly 5 million people in the Phoenix area, the elites in California don’t believe a smaller market should have a team if they don’t. Now I hear they have targeted the Jaguars for relocation. I think its important that the NFL stays in North Florida. Hang in there Jags fans. All it’ll take is some tweaking and you’ll get back on track. You almost put together a comeback against us today.
by az_johnny_g on Sep 21, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I live in what could be considered the Greater Los Angeles area
and football in LA is defined simply as USC/UCLA. Los Angeles failed twice with NFL franchises, and a third is destined to meet the same fate. Los Angeles is a college football town. Both USC and UCLA draw 100K+ to home games, and the last few seasons UCLA has stunk. The NFL needs Los Angeles more than Los Angeles needs the NFL.
It does seem to be a forced marriage
With two (actually three) prior teams, I think the LA crowd is telling the NFL “We just aren’t that into you”.
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Yeah, the main arguement for a team in LA (TV Revenue) just doesn't make sense
The NFL already has the best contracts of any league, would a team in LA really help that much?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 21, 2009 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate when people blame the city for losing those franchises
That’s just not true. A football team with an adequate stadium would be successful in Los Angeles without a doubt in my mind. I am in no way a supporter of the Jaguars coming to Los Angeles but it pains me to hear people say that the city of Los Angeles has “failed twice with NFL franchises.” Stadium issues were to blame in both cases. Are the actions of Al Davis and Georgia Frontierre really the fault of the city?
by Adam Stites on Sep 21, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not here to rub this in but living in jax, this situation has been obvious since the day mike smith left. proclaimed jacks puppet. we all knew who the puppet was. jack del rio. if hes the coach for any other team he is AXed years ago. keep blaming shack but jack has a say in this I dont care what all of you say. now monroe is the next first round flop. their selection of players for this team is not NFL type. when wayne weaver gives a perennial back up 60 million dollars the next year because of an okay year, again which everybody knew hes stats were deciving that year, is ludicrous. and the assistants. like gene smith, del rio and weaver thought koetter was suddenly going to turn into josh daniels when he was with the pats? he has sucked from the very beginning.
and the fact that over the past few years the jags have crap players who wouldnt even make the lions team…see williamson. this is the second year in arow he catches a few passes in preseason and then is proclaimed…we have ourselves a FAST weapon. again! who really thought he was going to catch passes during a real game? without tripping or fumbling bumbling something? seriously??
the drafting of gators to get tickets. how many flop gators do you draft before you lose your team? I cant EVEN believe wayne weaver makes a national announcement of drafting tebow when any scout can see he is not close to PRO material. weaver makes the announcement, the gator jag fans go wild and tebow promptly lays an egg the next game. bull rushing for 75 yards while yelling at his teammates when he makes big mistakes…thats a great leader? sorry but cheerleading is not an NFL quality.
in a nutshell, this whole scenerio has been building up for years yet when one of your posters simply cant take del rios, no leadership, crap coaching and the sole reason this team is so aweful hes a bad fan
everybody NOW knows the puppet should have been the coach. mike smith and del rio should be back in LA being a d coordinator for some college team years ago. youve heard other fans say…please dont fire del rio or they might actually get some good players and a real coach for years. well now you know what they are talking about.
I'm waiting till tonight to decide, but,
With the Jags laying a huge egg this week, the question comes to my mind:
Are the Cards that good, or are the Colts that bad? With the Jags play being the only constant between the two teams. We’ll see what the Colts do with the fish tonight, but if WE kept the Colts game that close, and looked THAT bad against AZ, the Colts might not be where you think they are either.
They both were to blame becuase they had to reach a consensus on drafting
I think they didn’t go out of there way to pick gators either.
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I don’t think the Jags can get out of their lease with the Stadium. I think the deal isnt up until 5 years?
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 21, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions
I'm sorry to have been so hard on David
but it seemed he was nervous the whole game and pressuring David is now the defensive strategy to use against us. Yes, we has moving around a lot and running avoiding pressure.
When you see the game, would you give your impression please? Thanks!
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Sorry David................
But I think its time for him to go………..if he keeps playing like this. I think he sees good throws when he runs through the receivers……. he just lacks the confidence to throw it there. He is still stuck on his 3 interception season. If we really want to have a passing game, Garrard needs to take some chances. It seems when he gets better in one area, he forgets what he worked on last week. I think he also may be too soft spoken to be a leader. He doesnt seem like he demands attention from the team and is often quiet and dull. I also think our defense played well aside from the pass rush. We created 4-5 fumbles and were solid against the run. Yeah we got burned at times, but I really do believe if there was more pressure we would have been awesome. When are we really going to get a certified QB killer? I thought Harvey was going to have a good year, but he is proving me wrong. He is reminding me of Matt Jones attitude wise. Does he ever talk to the media? I dont think Ive ever heard his voice……lol. I remain optimistic about our team but I agree there are things that need work. Monroe needs to eat some spinach or something……
frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba
he's too busy with Vic and Family
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I was at the game until the bitter end ...
… and the most disheartening moment to me was the timeout we had to call late in the first half when we had a decent drive going with the clock winding down. Garrard and the offensive stood there for 20 seconds looking at the sideline, waiting for a play to be called, and JDR finally had to call the TO. That, my friends, is an organization issue, a discipline and focus issue … in short, a coaching issue.
I don’t think Garrard is a top-5 guy in this league but I do think he’s a capable starter, and would love to see what he could do with protection, with receivers who can catch and not fall down, and with imaginative play calling. His weakness is supposed to be vision and throwing deep, yet the two passes at the end that Hughes dropped were in the tightest possible windows in the back of the end zone.
They say the definition of insanity is doing things the same way and expecting different results. I’m afraid I now count myself among the growing masses that feel Jack has to go. My choice (we’ll never get him) would be Cowher; what we could really use around here is some passion and spit-in-your face intensity.
David does throw a nice ball in tight coverage
when he sees the receiver, he s a damn good QB. For some reason, line, play calling, or nerves, he isn’t seeing the field. The receivers get frustrated since they work hard to get open and nothing comes their way.
I almost think David works too hard at it.
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Things that make go hmmm
Watching highlights of the game came up with the following thoughts
#1. Eugune needs to be mentored a little more throwing him to the fire is not doing him any good and if David is going to have any time to throw against the likes of the Texans or the Titans we need Tra in there covering his blind side
#2. Our D-line is useless right now line backers are good. Reggie nelson looks lost
#3. The team right now is looking confused and lost out there it is running around with a chicken with its head cut off
The survival of this team depends on getting sound leadership at the helm. Both Gene and Wayne need to understand this. The team can not afford to loose more of it’s fan base to bad play. If Del Rio can’t do the job then find someone who can
by jesusjagfan2009 on Sep 21, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
I think you are reading it the same as everone else right now.
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Hold on...
This shouldn’t be all that surprising. Remember P is for patience
I think the lowest point in the franchise history was a surprise
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2 games in...
And this is the low point of the franchise? Lets also not underestimate the impact of a missing Hayward. My expectation is that this team will get better as the year goes on.
That is how it is being characterized on the radio
and everyone seems to agree. Lowest fan support, booing for the team, opening day bad performance. No one can remember when it felt so bad to be a Jaguar fan. Not saying it can’t recover, but the sentiment in this town is BLAHHHHH! Hard to believe.
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the Jags is the only thing holding this town together… and the only thing that brings this town together… I am scared as to what will happen if they lose… (just throwing that out there)
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 21, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions
I couldn't disagree more with this article.
I saw a defense allow a 92.3% NFL record completion percentage. I saw David Garrard play like our best player and hit receivers in the hands/face/chest with the ball and they still couldn’t catch it. I saw David avoid certain doom when our offensive line does the ghost routine.
Both lines on our team are extremely weak, and we’re just not coached properly to take advantage of the “gimme” plays for 8 or 9 yards that other teams kill us with. Blaming this game on David is way off base. The game crumbled around him, on both lines. I appreciate negativity, in fact, I often revel in it, but it needs to be aimed properly. David is not the appropriate target on this occaision, however.
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OK - as always well spoken and very respectful
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Yes
there are plenty of fingers to point but not enough butts in seats. :/
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Terry....
…is this thick sarcasm? I hope not. The implication would then be “as always poorly spoken and very disrespectful”. Here’s to hoping that’s not the case, and that you appreciate the point/counterpoint of healthy Jaguars debate. Go Jags.
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No No No
It was honest and real sentiment. You differed in your opinion than mine. I read it and thought… that was a real classy way to disagree. It was an honest compliment.
David is one of our best players, but something is wrong. It didn’t look to me like he knew what he wanted to do at the snap. I think they are putting too much read into his play, and it isn’t working. Something at the QB position isn’t working but I don’t know what.
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There is a problem...
…and identifying that problem is the puzzle. If it’s worth anything, I think our coaches are as confused as we are.
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