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Gene Smith Continues Reign of Terror: G. Estandia is cut, M. Desormeaux is waived

It's obvious Gene doesn't care about your family or your future. The new sheriff just axed two more players; one came from the practice squad. TE Greg Estandia, who came up through the Jags' organization and honed his craft, is no more.

Gene's cold hand knows no bounds, and the message has been sent. Make mistakes, you're gone. Give less than 100%, you're gone. Sneeze without covering... you're gone. End of story. I can't say enough how much I admire what Gene Smith is doing with this organization, and if we have to select a new head ball-coach, I want Gene making the call.

Desormeaux was an UDFA rookie on the practice squad that Gene didn't feel was developing well enough... you're gone.

PFT has heard rumblings the Jaguars are one of three teams interested in the Bills WR Roscoe Parrish... developing...

-Collin

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Nothing to surprising there.

Hopefully Zach Miller will get healthy soon. How many roster spots do we have open now? 2-3?

by cliff1982 on Sep 21, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Hoping to see

Tiquan Underwood, Josh Vaughan, and Brock Bolen activated.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jags also signed ...

 … CB William Middleton and S Courtney Greene. Two offensive players gone, two defensive players added. That’s what happens when the opposing QB goes 24 for 26 or whatever Warner was.

And Estandia being released has to mean that Zach Miller is due to return. Thomas, Dillard, Miller … at least we’ll have some fun watching the rookies.

by ruffdaddy on Sep 21, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I think

Estandia being gone probably also means we are going to be passing a lot more this season, being that Marcedes is now our only TE with at least a year of blocking experience.

I have to say, I really like the idea of going 3 wide and having Marcedes/Miller and MJD in the back field with Garrard. The pass pro improved in leaps and bounds. And it doesn’t take away too much from draw plays or screens. Play action would dissolve a little, but we can some I mixed in. Just think we should have M/M and MJD back there more. Garrard just looked so comfortable back there in the shot gun.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 21, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parrish would be nice...

but we’ll probably lose another one of our draft picks. Hopefully we only have to give up a late 2010 pick or mid 2011 pick… 2010 draft class too good to be losing any more picks.

Release of Estandia = Z. Miller is ready for battle & if Underwood gets activated, we may see Gene’s entire 2009 draft class see action this year. Either he’s crazy or just that confident in this class. I still think they should take them all to Camp Blanding during the bye for a field trip. Maybe next year…

In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...

by JagsNguyen on Sep 21, 2009 4:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I like Mike Thomas a lot

but Parrish is like a better Thomas who we spent a 4th round pick on. If we can get Parrish for something less than a 4th, then I think we should be happy. But I’m not sure this rumor has validity to it anymore. I think this is just an old rumor brought back because of the roster changes and injury.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 21, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we don't

trade for anyone new. We have young guys on the roster and this IS a rebuilding year. I’d rather Gene had those draft picks to use next year…. I just hope we’re not drafting in the top 10 again…

by pksiv on Sep 22, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He could, he has that power now

If Jack’s not going anywhere, then trust Gene. Gene is smarter than all of us.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 21, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, but I hope he doesn't

We’ve seen how bad it usually turns out when your coach and GM are the same person.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 21, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What coaches are out there?

I really want someone fresh. Not someone who has played, has a dad who played, or played in the NFL.

by Slvrgun on Sep 21, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

charlie Strong, Def Cordinator for the gators fits that want

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 21, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops I said that twice.

You guys get the point.

I meant coached already, played, or has someone who has a dad that coached.

by Slvrgun on Sep 21, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a question I hope Vic will answer...

With cuts like these we are obviously promoting the concept that if you fail to perform you will be punished. My question is why does Eugene Monroe continue after being beaten like a drum for the second week in a row.
I know he is a young developing player and we have a lot invested in him, but how much longer will we put his development above the success of the team and the safety of our QB?
Starting spots are earned not bought and we should play no favorites. Start Tra to send Eugene the message that lack of performance will not be tolerated. I guarantee you when he earns the start he will return with a vengeance.

by rusty904 on Sep 21, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Here will be Vic's response.

Do you really want to start the guy with the bad back, or use him sparingly during more opportune time. Generally, first round picks are expected to play at a very high level almost immediately. Give Eugene more time.

by Slvrgun on Sep 21, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder how he will

fair against Mario Williams. It will be a fun match up to watch.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 21, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need to give him some help.

Don’t make him play Mario one on one every snap.

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by CFHTim on Sep 22, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

Sometime during the Cardinal game I said that I couldn’t wait until Zach Miller got healthy so they could release Estandia.

by Adam Stites on Sep 21, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Gene Smith but...

Let’s not forget he was part of that committee bullshit. And this is his first draft so we don’t even know how it will be deemed in the future. Also cutting players always look cold, ruthless, and cool. Don’t be so eager to start the love fest. In my eyes, the verdict is still out.

by Slvrgun on Sep 21, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that was mostly Harris and Jack

becuase Wayne forced them to agree on picks, Gene just handed them info about the guy.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 21, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow I slept the whole day (almost)-don't be awake for 40+ hours....

and such quake in the roster. I think this means the rookie recievers including Zach Miller will be active on Sunday. I think Gene Smith like to collect players being cut/waiwed from this year’s draft, I think that Roscoe parrish romour sounds interesting, but the price will be might high(Any news from this romour “Big Daddy” Falcon????) I think he Jaguars will play better on sunday, or more cutts will happen.
I think…I started to sound like Peter King on his last page of MMQB…
(and if so I think I will root for Miami tonight against Indy…)

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 21, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking and I realized something

If JDR goes, I don’t want another Defensive minded Head Coach. I Want a Offensive Minded Coach with something new to bring to the table. No more handy pandy, Get em next year crap, just racking up the points. I’m tired of being mediocre on both parts of the ball and having a D minded coach sucking at both levels of the ball. Excuse the nuisance and my rant.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 21, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

except...

Make mistakes and you’re gone…except if your name is David Garrard.

by moufpuncha on Sep 21, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Cut everybody

Just cut everybody and Let us passionate jaguar fans take the field and get crushed we will all play for cheap

by CJag on Sep 21, 2009 10:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

We all would ended up on IR

after 1 game…

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 21, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

thats the beauty of the plan.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 21, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have been thinking

if we sined some 90 year old women and gave her the ball would the D tackle her or let her run into the endzone?

zachary cleary

by jagsfan4life on Sep 22, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Courtland Finnegan

would just clothesline her no prob

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by CFHTim on Sep 22, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I was on defense

I would kindly pick up the woman and carry her out of the opposite endzone and set her down.

by Adam Stites on Sep 22, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

coach

how would Coward sound as being our next coach

Jaguars the only place to be

Armjag

by armjag1 on Sep 22, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

If jack goes let him in!

Vic would love to reunion with him, that’s for sure.

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 22, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cowher would be interesting

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Problem with the Axe

Now if you make one mistake your cut. This is kind of gonna get ridiculous we may not have a team by week 9.

Yo.

by Dale J. on Sep 22, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

greetings jagz fans....

since we play you guys this week, thought i’d come by. so your coach is cleaning house, eh? well nothing wrong with that. sometimes a minor setback… sets you up for the major comeback.

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by chrisd21 on Sep 22, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

It's actually the GM

Gene Smith that’s carrying the axe around. Yeah these guys were fringe guys anyhow. It’ll probably motivate the players that we need to play better.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 22, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see you've been banned from MCM

thats an accomplishment.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The beatings will continue until morale improves

"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."

by Orlando Rays on Sep 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

wondering.

so as Jag fans, what’s wrong with the team? im asking objectively. is it the coaching? or the players?

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by chrisd21 on Sep 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

It's rebuilding

I wouldn’t say anything is “wrong.” I know that sounds like a ridiculous thing to say, but we, well at least I, expected this. There are 2 rookies starting at tackle on the offensive line. The defense is just a few rookies different than the atrocious defense of last year.

The coaching is not everyone’s favorite, but that’s all opinion. In my personal view, the personnel on the field is a work in progress and will be stout in due time. There are building blocks all over the field and the Jags will piece it together. It was foolish for fans to believe the pieces would fall together this year.

by Adam Stites on Sep 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was under the assumption....

that Jax fans loved Del Rio. is that not the case?

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by chrisd21 on Sep 22, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

45% don't 40% do and 15% don't have an opinion

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since you asked..

and I pretty much agree with SoCal’s answer, what would you say is the Texans problem in getting over the hump ?

I mean they’ve regularly had the Jags number but what do you think is keeping the team from taking that next step ?

by pksiv on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's easy...

and hard at the same time. mostly, and im pretty sure whenever Tim does his 5 questions later in the week he will touch on it, we never know which team is gonna show up. will it be the one who dropped an egg at HOME to the Jets? or the team we saw this past Sunday against the TITS? we have a problem with consistency. and we haven’t been able to run for shit. not yet anyway. our offensive passing game has always been a juggernaut, so if we can get our o-line and d-line playing at a higher level, i think we make the leap from middle of the road team to elite team.

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by chrisd21 on Sep 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought ya’ll took it this past sunday… the ability to start and finish strong.

by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

rivalry games...

we never have a problem getting up for. it’s the games that we are SUPPOSED to win are usually the ones where we stink up the joint. so we are extremely nervous about this week and next week. after you guys, we have the raiders.

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by chrisd21 on Sep 22, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gene Smith

is doing a great job with the players he’s releasin but he’s signin NO-NAME players when there is quality available like chris mccalister nd marvin harrison 2 we could use NOW. Also the problem is not the DBs its the pass rush nd Dirk runnin those pop-warner sets nd plays———————————————-move Del Rio 2 DC nd bring n Shannahan

by Sucka F on Sep 22, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't think of a time it happened

What program, college or pro, has had a head coach “fired” or “demoted” and actually stick around? Typically a new head coach means the HC hires the guys he wants to work with, unless you’re the Raiders or Redskins.

If Jack is let go I sincerely doubt that the new HC would want him around, and I doubt that Jack would stick around after being demoted.

Also, the Texans have Shannahan under contract, and there’s no way they’d let him go to Jax at the beginning of the season. Pipe dream esse.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 22, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chris hit it on the head...

…we never have an issue getting up for divisional opponents. In fact I always try and make the home division games because they are great games.

The issue is consistency, especially on the road.

Last year we were 8-8…but the breakdown was 6-2 at Home and 2-6 on the road.

If we can win half of our road games this year, we should be a 10 win team at the least. We just never know which Texans team is going to show up though.

I will say that last sunday was a huge step in the right direction though.

No turnovers and 4 quarters of football with no let up.

In fact, the game is honesatly one of the craziest most intense NFL games I have seen in 25 years of watching the NFL.

The NFL channel will be replaying the game tonight, so if you have it, I suggest watching or DVRing it, you will not be disappointed.

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by TexansForever on Sep 22, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh and of course...

…I hope the Jags fail miserably on Sunday.

But good luck with the rest of the season!!

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by TexansForever on Sep 22, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you guys lack

quality depth at a lot of positions too. Part of your consistency problems.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 23, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct..

However we are much deeper this year than we were even a year ago.

The only “glaring” area where we really lack depth now is our secondary. To put it frankly, our secondary is mediocre to bad.

We have nice depth at the front seven now compared to last year and on offense we have good depth all around, with the possible exception of running back.

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by TexansForever on Sep 23, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Slowly getting better

better than slowly declining.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope the Jaguars break your heart

They seem to be fond of breaking mine. So you may be fine.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Sep 23, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have broken my heart in the past.

Trust me, no matter how frustrated you guys find yourselves with the Jags…in Houston we have nothing but respect for them.

It’s always a good game.

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by TexansForever on Sep 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

here's hoping to a good game...

and no injuries.

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by chrisd21 on Sep 23, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

its offical

Texan fans are my favorite AFC South fans behind the Jaguars.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd that

If you think education is expensive, try ignorance....

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by CFHTim on Sep 24, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good game, No injuries.

And Jets beating hell out of Tits = Great Sunday

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