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Rebuilding The Jaguars: Jack Del Rio is our best hope.

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I like Jack Del Rio. All signs indicate that he will be given until at least the rest of this year to show some progress, and he will probably still be here next year. I think this team's problems run much deeper than a simple switch at head coach. I still think Jack can turn this team around and execute the multi-season rebuilding job that is needed.

I know that I may be quickly becoming one of the minorities who still has faith in Jack, and as such, it has become time to analyze some people who are being lauded as possible replacements for Del Rio as head coach. I've included 6 candidates with NFL head coaching experience and 4 candidates with no NFL head coaching experience, presented in alphabetical order. I did not include Tony Dungy since I believe his retirement is permanent, and I did not include people like Romeo Crennel who I believe have no real support. How much, if at all, better off could the Jaguars be at the top? Let's find out...

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The Retreads

Brian Billick (80-64 in the regular season, 5-3 playoffs, last seen with the Baltimore Ravens)

Billick spent 9 seasons with the Ravens, winning Super Bowl in 2000. Despite coordinating a very successful Vikings offense in the 1990s and having a reputation as a great offensive mind, his Baltimore teams were usually incredibly strong at defense and incredibly feeble at offense. Steve McNair led an offensive revival in 2006 but aged quickly and flamed out in the playoffs. In fact, after the 2001 season, Billick went 6 more seasons without winning a single playoff game. He was fired after his team went 5-11 in 2007.

Verdict: No evidence Billick would be do any better in Jacksonville. He's lost his reputation as an offensive mind, and his finest defensive years came when none other than Jack Del Rio was coaching his linebackers.

Bill Cowher (161-99-1, 12-9, Pittsburgh Steelers)

Cowher was the symbol of stability in Pittsburgh, spending 15 seasons as the head coach of the Steelers. He won Super Bowl 2005 in his 14th year as head coach, finally shaking the stigma of being unable to win the big game. His teams won 8 division titles and went to the playoffs 10 times, but Pittsburgh also underwent some lean years with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddox, missing the playoffs 3 years in a row from 1998-2000. Cowher resigned after a more disappointing 2006 season, 11 months after winning the Super Bowl.

Verdict: Cowher was helped tremendously in Pittsburgh by patience from his fans and his owner. He is the poster child for why it is good to have stability at the top of an organization. I think it would be extremely hard to convince him to come to Jacksonville, but he is a great coach.

Jon Gruden (95-77, 5-4, Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

Now an analyst on ESPN's Monday Night Football, Gruden started 38-26 with the Oakland Raiders, leading them to the infamous Tuck Rule AFC Championship Game that they lost. Gruden was traded to the Bucs in 2002 and promptly won the Super Bowl. In the six following seasons, his teams won two more NFC South titles but not a single playoff game, and it became popular to say that he won the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's players. He forced out John McKay as GM and garnered a reputation for being somewhat difficult to work with. After losing the final four games of the 2008 season to miss the playoffs altogether, Gruden was fired.

Verdict: Gruden's record in Tampa was only 57-55, and the boy wonder has lost much of his shine. He has a reputation as an offensive mind, but his Tampa teams didn't do much of anything. I don't believe Gruden would be an upgrade over Jack Del Rio.

Marty Schottenheimer (200-126-1, 5-13, San Diego Chargers)

The 5-13 playoff record should tell you all you need to know. No matter where he is, Marty's teams do very well in the regular season and flop in the playoffs. Martyball is ultra-conservative, relying on a powerful running game and his defense.

Verdict: Martyball wouldn't be any different from Jack Del Rio's own preferences, and it would be unrealistic to expect any better postseason performances. Not an upgrade.

Mike Shanahan (138-90, 8-5, Denver Broncos)

After a rebuilding year and losing to the Jaguars in the playoffs the following year, Shanahan's Broncos won the Super Bowl after the 1997 and 1998 seasons, riding John Elway's arm the whole way. In what is a common theme here, Shanahan's teams won only 1 playoff game in the ten seasons following Elway's retirement. He was fired after the 2008 season fell apart.

Verdict: With a Hall of Fame QB, Shanahan was successful. Without one, he was not. This can be argued either way, but I believe Shanahan in teal would look much more like the other 10 seasons than the two Super Bowl seasons.

Mike Tice (32-33, 1-1, Minnesota Vikings as head coach, Jaguars as Assistant Head Coach/Tight Ends)

After two mediocre seasons, the Vikings exploded in 2004, led by Daunte Culpepper and Randy Moss. They finished 8-8 but made the playoffs, defeating the Packers before falling to the Eagles. Tice's team failed to make the playoffs in 2005 despite being a game better at 9-7. Tice also faced controversy from a Super Bowl ticket scalping operation, and the party-boat scandal also happened on his watch. He was fired after the 2005 season and subsequently joined the Jaguars.

Verdict: I see nothing that indicates that the Jaguars would be better-disciplined under Mike Tice, and it scares me that his offensive explosion year only led to an 8-8 record and a loss in the divisional round. Tice would be nothing more than an interim coach in Jacksonville.

The Newbies

Russ Grimm, currently assistant head coach and offensive line coach for the Arizona Cardinals

Grimm spent seven season with the Steelers as offensive line coach, adding assistant head coach duties in the final three years. As such, he had a huge part in keeping Pittsburgh's powerful rushing attack. He was widely considered Cowher's likely successor, but after the job went to Mike Tomlin instead, Grimm joined Ken Whisenhunt in the desert. In his first year there, the Cardinals gave up the fewest amount of sacks they'd given up since 1978. The line also allowed Edgerrin James to rush for 1222 yards, the 5th-highest total in team history. The 2009 team ranked 2nd in passing and 4th overall, though the running game crashed to dead last in the NFL.

Verdict: An intriguing possibility. You have to wonder why the Steelers chose to give the much greener Tomlin a chance, and it is odd that Grimm is 50 and still has not ever been a head coach. He is very respected though, and the Jaguars would greatly benefit from his offensive line expertise.

Kyle Shanahan, currently offensive coordinator for the Houston Texans

The son of Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan is considered a rising star in coaching. He joined the Texans as WR coach in 2006, moved to QB coach in 2007, and was promoted to offensive coordinator for last season. During Kyle's time as a position coach, Andre Johnson was a beast (of course), and Matt Shaub and Sage Rosenfels compiled passer ratings in the mid 80s. The 2008 Texans offense ranked 4th in passing, 13th in rushing, and 3rd overall.

Verdict: Kyle Shanahan is only 29 years old. Lane Kiffin was over two years older when he was hired by the Raiders. He might not be ready to be an NFL head coach yet. It would take a huge leap of faith for a GM or owner to promote a candidate with such a short resume.

Charlie Strong, currently linebackers coach, defensive coordinator, and associate head coach for the Florida Gators

Strong's defenses at Florida have been....well, strong. His defense is largely responsible for winning the BCS championship game after the 2006 season. He is responsible for such college stars as Brandon Spikes, Reggie Nelson, and Derek Harvey. His units are known for being aggressive, disciplined, and apt at producing turnovers. Strong, who is black, has never been a college head coach despite experience that dates all the way back to 1991, and it is rumored that racism has played a part. He was hired as the coordinator under Ron Zook, served as the interim coach for the bowl game after Zook's dismissal, and stayed on as part of Urban Meyer's staff.

Verdict: Strong has absolutely no NFL experience, but few defensive coordinators in college football have as strong (sorry, I can't resist) a resume. He would be a gamble, and there is no precedent that I know of for hiring a college coordinator directly as an NFL head coach. Can he be successful? I don't know, but I am not sure the Jaguars in their present state couldn't afford to bring in someone that will be only then be learning the ways of the NFL.

Charlie Weis, currently head coach at Notre Dame (30-22)

Weis is arrogant; he's embattled at Notre Dame; and he's a three-time Super Bowl winning offensive coordinator with the New England Patriots. After his third championship and fourth year overall with the team, Weis left the Patriots after the 2004 season to become the head coach at Notre Dame. His team did fine at first with Brady Quinn, endured the worst record (3-9) in school history in 2007, and has received mixed reviews since.

Verdict: Romeo Crennel and Eric Mangini both were also successful coordinators with the Patriots, and both have already been fired from their first head coaching jobs. Josh McDaniels - Weis's successor as OC - has already rocked the boat as the new coach of the Denver Broncos, and he was forced to trade away his franchise quarterback after clashing with him. Could Charlie Weis be the first successful fruit from the Bill Belichick tree? I doubt it.

 

Again, every indication from the Jaguars organization is that Jack Del Rio is not going anywhere for this year or next. He is signed through 2012. But even if he is dismissed, I am having a hard time seeing many possibilities that are better. Cowher would be the best, but I seriously doubt he'd ever come here. Most of the other choices don't particularly inspire me, especially when compared to Jack. Only time will tell what happens, but I believe GM Gene Smith will make the right decision, no matter what that decision is.

In Gene We Trust.

-Mike Nelson

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I’ll take Koetter for the interim or someone else with a fresh perspective.

by Slvrgun on Sep 22, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd have to see Strong as a NFL coordinator role first

before I even consider him as a head coach.

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by JagsNguyen on Sep 22, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Please No!

Someone who is struggling to hold a job at the college level won’t do any better in the NFL. Plus he looks like he’s one corn dog away from cardiac arrest.

by rusty904 on Sep 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I still believe JDR can turn it around

I really like this post. Very interesting, well done. You put together a decent list. Kyle Shanahan and Russ Grimm could have true potential. Charlie Strong is interesting…but why not Urban Meyer if you go that route? As far as the older fellas, I think Gruden or Cowher would be sound candidates. Tony Dungy would be awesome! We are closer to home for him…if he were to change his mind about coaching…

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by viator on Sep 22, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

You dick. Why would you even bring up Tony Dungy? Now you’ve got me thinking about how awesome that would be. You suck so hard.

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by JLydon37 on Sep 22, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a negatively positive comment

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Jack will stay

until the end of the season. And if he can manage a crca 8-8 record (somehow) he will stay for more!

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 22, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great work Mike. Nice attention to detail and grammar too.

Keep it up and we’ll make this a weekly thing with you on the front page, brother!

-Collin

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by silencecs on Sep 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Collin

Ironically, the busier I’m getting in grad school, the more time I’m finding to write.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 22, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tight work, MTC.

This the most fun read I’ve had since “N” in King’s “Just After Sunset”.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Sep 23, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

My vote is for Gruden or Marty...

They couldn’t be more different, but I love em both!

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by silencecs on Sep 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

IF WE HAD to choose...

I do think if given the choice of those two or Jack, I would take either of those two. I would stick with Jack over any other candidates though.

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by silencecs on Sep 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha.... nice to see your wit around these parts.

hope all is well mon frere!

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by silencecs on Sep 22, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

needed to take a break – to much nastiness on this site for awhile. Just observing the team and the season so far. Glad you took my humor in the spirit it was intended.

by OGN on Sep 22, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed you

We don’t always agree, but you always know what you’re talking about.

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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

You’ve writtten some very nice pieces here recently – great job. If we all agreed on everything, it’d be pretty boring and not worth participating :-).

by OGN on Sep 23, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing is as obvious when you're not around

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

HELL NO!!!!!!!!

Marty Schottenheimer is the reason I am a Jags fan. I was so sick of what he was doing with the chiefs I quickly became a Jags fan when my sister told me of a team forming in Jacksonville.

by Pickle on Sep 22, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions  

No one has been fired yet

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by Tkopa on Sep 22, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think Cowher

can have his pick of jobs, and will be hard to get. Gruden or Russ Grimm as a back up choice. But maybe you guys will turn it around, its a long season.

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by CFHTim on Sep 22, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

anyhooooooooooooo
nice article. i actually read it all the way through. doesnt happen on here all that often. too much rehashing. but, i digress.
if i HAD to pick from your list… it would come down to Cowher, then, maybe, Grimm… i do hope jack gets this crap together and shuts everyone the hell up about exactly this…

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by cuffs007 on Sep 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Tony fricking Dungy would rock!

He is so much smarter than Jack it aint even funny.

by Slvrgun on Sep 22, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

A very nice man too

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good elaboration

could you add a poll?

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don't understand this

“Fire Jack” rally. 2 games was played. We have 14 left. We hade a rebuilding team, so the playoffs are ain’t the target (even Jack says so!).
If he cannot show progress in the end of the year, fine, let him go, and someone who has experience can come (If I must choose someone, my candidate is Cowher!)
But until that time, calm down folks. I saw what you saw. I’m worried as you are.
But I have my patience still. Jack cannot protect David, or catch the ball instead of the receivers, or tackle well instead of the defensive players.
Yeah he has responsibilty for this team. Yeah he must do better at playcalling, and maybe on gameplan. He had work a looooot of work to do. It is the most difficult challenge maybe as coach for him. Can he jump over the bar? That is a big question. Time will tell. Until that, please wait as i do!

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 22, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

please no

not tony dungy. i couldn’t take that. he might be a good coach, but i can’t handle the other crap. i’m sure First Baptist would be happy about it, but we have enough jesus pushers in town.

by abeaugh on Sep 22, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

You know they call Dungy

One-and-Dungy do to his playoff record.

by Pyrofish on Sep 23, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

True,

My post may have been too short to get the point…

There is a faction of Colts fans, even after the SB, that couldn’t come to grips with losing to the Pats every year. You generally don’t see it on a Colts forum, but you can see it on a Tampa forum. When all of the Tampa fans were screaming to get rid of Chucky, they wanted Dungy back. The Colts fans that were Dungy haters loved to go there and spew their tirades.

So it all depends on how you look at it. Was it Dungy’s fault the Colts couldn’t top the Pats in the post every year? Maybe, maybe not. Is it Jack’s fault Garrard has no time in the pocket? Maybe, maybe not. There are arguments both ways on just about every coach.

by Pyrofish on Sep 23, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might be the players,

Dungy just coaches. And i think the Pats would win becuase of being better at both sides of the ball.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he should have prayed harder…

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by JLydon37 on Sep 23, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He lost to

SD in the playoffs each of the past 2 years as well.

And to say SD was the better team is probably a reach. He was a defensive coach and was never really able to put a defense together in Indy.

by pksiv on Sep 24, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Shannahan

I wonder why Mike was not listed. I think he would be a great fit, if he wanted to come back to foottball.

Yo.

by Dale J. on Sep 22, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

My Bad

My Bad move I see him. Great Post.

Yo.

by Dale J. on Sep 23, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Ever Think a Thought

and feel guilty about it? Back towards the end of ’06 during that late season skid I started having doubts about Del Rio. You look at the best teams in the NFL and the thing you see is consistency. I gave him a pass because of Shack.

2007 roles around, and he starts going to it on 4th down, going for TDs instead of FGs, and I fell in love again. 2008 squashed my heart, and this year, even with all the hope for the future, has me questioning myself.

I feel like a battered woman. Every time I get down on Jack he does something, or says something, that has me coming back for more. Every time I’m about to pack my bags to go to my mother’s house he brings home flowers (beats the Colts 45-17). I’m tired of being tired. Maybe a change at the helm will give the whole team/city a sense of a fresh start.

I know Shannahan the elder, Cowher, Dungy, et al have been thrown around, but I’d like to see a Tomlin; a guy that’s been around, obviously had a large impact on the unit he was coaching, but nationwide isn’t really a known commodity.

And for all the college fans out there, please no college coaches. Historically they have a somewhat underwhelming influence on desperate franchises, and while Jacksonville is hurting they aren’t without talent. Go with someone that knows the “pro” ropes, and deserves a chance to take that next step.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 22, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Me Too

I love that guy.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 22, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we all feel like battered women at times with the Jaguars.

Waiting for Mother’s day.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many of you have forgot about Coughlin already?

That man was a genius and still is, only for another team. This town ran him out after everything he did here. Imagine what would have been if he had only been given the chance he certainly deserved? Let Jack coach this team and let the chips fall where they may. After next season we’ll know for sure if he is the real deal or not. Until then, the season is too early to be calling for our head coach’s firing. Gene Smith is going to make up for the lack of talent drafted by Shack Harris. You all wait and see!!

by keeftan on Sep 23, 2009 4:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldnt be surprised

if Gene wasn’t secretly looking already.

by JagSoldier on Sep 23, 2009 6:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I heard Gene

is really a dark lord of the Sith, and that he planted the current CBA because he knew it would fail, leading to a free’er player market… but that’s just a rumor.

by Pyrofish on Sep 23, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shh Gene has eyes and ears everywhere, even the Trees are with him.

Sorry Narnia reference.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If there was a vote I would go with Cowher or Marty

I felt that the Jags identity was more in tune with the philosophy of those two coaches. I always admired their teams’ toughness on both sides of the ball. In my opinion, the Jags have strayed from that the last few years.

Although I believe there are other assistants around the league that are available who could do the job. My ultimate preference is to pick one of them.

One last word of advice……….say NO to Marinelli! LOL

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 23, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

lol Yep

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Del Rio is a good coach..

He has put together some really strong team for you guys. I don’t follow the internal goings on of the Jags closely, but I can’t help but wonder if this issue is not a Del Rio issue, but maybe a function of free agency, aging players etc…

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by TexansForever on Sep 23, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I think

is an issue of free agency and aging players, but no one else wants to admit it.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 24, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets also look at the supporting cast

What i am seeing here is that Del Rio has a good mind, but the supporting cast of assistants are morons. 2 things that need to be done.

  1. Fire Ted Mac: Reason. Looking at our D-line over the last couple of seasons they have failed to produce any kind of QB pressure and they have looked lost
  1. Mike Shula: This guy is not a good QB coach nuff said

    Looking at all the choices above i am not going to be quick to jump on the Fire Del Rio bandwagon yet, but as head coach he needs to tighten up because last Sunday’s game is a good reason why i am not buying tickets right now cause i am not paying to see crap. If i want to see that i will pay 5 bucks to go to a high school game or go to my nephew’s pop warner game. If we were to replace Del Rio Bill Cower would be be the best choice

by jesusjagfan2009 on Sep 23, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually like

Mike Shula. Ted however, can go away for all I care. And I don’t think Andy Heck has done a horrible job especially considering what he’s had to work with, but I think there could be someone better out there. Russ Purnell has shown me nothing that makes me like him. I believe for the most part he’s had the same personnel as we had last year, but I don’t think we are performing as well.
We may need another LB coach, not because he sucks, but something tells me he’s not a 3-4 guru, and I think we need another Tucker who is highly familiar with both.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 24, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

great post.

lil shan is gonna be a great coach… ONE DAY. he has a long way to go. but he’s learning from some pretty good guys…. Shan Sr. and Koob. also, i think for you guys, a guy like Tony D would be great. hell, he would be great for any team he decided to coach. i wouldnt be at all surprised if Cowher comes in and does a great job as well. there is no shortage of coaches looking for a job… good luck with your search (if they fire Del Rio)

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by chrisd21 on Sep 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Tony D would be awesome...

I just don’t see him coaching in this division against Manning and the Colts…..ever.

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by TexansForever on Sep 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

true.

but i wouldnt be surprised. but i honestly think, unlike parcells, Tony D isnt coming back. out of all the so called “retired” coaches, i think Cowher will be working first.

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by chrisd21 on Sep 23, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

so far i’m enjoying seeing more Texan fans on site.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Marty

I know I know, he cant close the deal but he sure knows how to build a team, even if you aren’t winning superbowls at least you are winning. I think he would have had a SB if he had one more year with the Chargers (who have been heading south since he left). I have always liked the idea of having a split HC job. 2 guys one that is a D guru and one the is an O guru like a Sr. Shanahan and Cower together running a team.

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by Texans-Brocos on Sep 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

That be a 2 headed monster

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 23, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What we need

Is a complete and total overhaul of our coaching staff.

With the exception of linebackers and running back, our team has no strong points whatsoever. I really believe that’s due to two reasons

1) Poor drafting by Shack Harris.
Shack found players that were super athletic and very flashy, but not good “football” players. Since 2003, he pretty much screwed every 1st round pick up. Marcedes Lewis would be the only player that still has hope, and the jury is out on Derrick Harvey, but it doesnt look good.

Those players (Byron, Peggie Williams, Matt Jones, and Peggie Nelson) were good college players and had good measurables, but failed to pan out for the team. Byron made it through four seasons with Jacksonville. R. Williams had four and Matt had three. Someone either on here or the Jags.com board made a list of players that we passed on. It looked something like this:

2003: Terrel Suggs (great pass rusher, able to play OLB/DE)
2004: Ben Roethlesberger (Ick, Steelers, i know, but his playmaking ability is undeniable)
2005: Roddy White (Pro Bowl WR, deep threat, great hands, etc.)
2006: Mathias Kiwanuka (Bookend for Suggs, another good pass rusher, OLB/DE)
2007: Jon Beason (amazing sideline to sideline MLB, better than Mike P. or J. Durant.)
2008: (without trading half the draft for the 8th pick) Duane Brown (franchise LT)
2009: B.J. Raji

Wow. That’s a team. No Garrard, a quality WR, No Clint Ingram (not bad, but easily replaceable), AMAZING Pass rush, and a great 4-3 NT or 3-4 DE.

Gene Smith has this team heading in the right direction. An emphasis on character and football playing ability instead of combine wonderkids and a guy that won the GMAC bowl for Marshall. But imagine if Shack had a PLAN when he drafted.

(Whoo, I’m light headed. what was I talking about again? Oh, yeah.)

2) A poor coaching staff.
Those players that Shack drafted have no leadership or quality teachers when it comes to position coaching. jesusjagfan2009 mentioned that a couple posts up. Ted Mac, Mike Shula, Mike Tice, Koetter, Tucker, and Jack all have to go.

Im not anti-Jack in every sense of the word, because I’m just a guy with a compute. But it’s over. He had his playoff berths. His one playoff win in five seasons. He’s had two winning seasons, two losing seasons, and a .500 season. Not a terrible coaching résumé, per se, but not stellar either.

But last season was terrible. Yes, i know we lost our entire interior offensive line in 15 minutes in week one, but Jack lost the locker room. He lost the respect of his vets. He couldn’t inspire his young players to play better. He couldn’t call a good game in crunch time.

He’s not a coach, he’s not a schemer, he’s not a teacher, he’s not a motivator. He brings nothing to the table but his good looks (no homo) and experience as Baltimore’s LB coach, and Carolina’s DC.

Our coaches can’t evolve our players. They are persistently at the same level they were when they got here. I can’t name one player other than David Garrard who was a marginal player here and evolved into a good player. Rashean Mathis and Daryl Smith were good on day one, in my mind, so they don’t qualify.

So…you ask, how do we fix this?

Sean McDermott, Philly’s DC.
Why him?

Well, he’s 35. That’s young enough to connect with the young guys and old enough to command respect from the older guys. He’s been with Philly for 12 years. He knows Jim Johnson’s defense and can bring it here. We have the pieces for it (4-3 DT’s and DE’s, Big LB’s, and a hard-hitting, rangy safety in Reggie Nelson). He also has been a DB coach for five seasons, so he can teach Cox, Brackenridge, and Nelson how to play like Sheldon Brown, Lito Sheppard, and Brian Dawkins.

Sean McDermott wouldn’t fix our problems overnight. He’d be installing a complicated system that take years to master.

It’ll take a super-star supporting cast, with big names to coach up our guys. A Whiz Kid OC, comparable to Josh McDaniel or Jason Garret or Todd Haley. (Kyle Shanahan, preferably). We’ll need position coaches that are good teachers and schemers. Rod Marinelli is a horrible head coach. But he’s the best D-Line coach in the business. We need someone like him at every position.

They need to be able to take our raw talent players and good instinct players and improve on their skills. Catching, route running, blocking, pass rushing, tackling, man coverage, zone schemes, the whole gambit. There needs to be a new attitude towards fundamentals here in Jacksonville.

I’m terribly sorry for the length, but i felt the need to get in depth.
Final Word count: 798. Sorry!!

by Lysol on Sep 24, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Kyle Shannahan

He’d be a great fit at Offensive coordinator, but I sincerely doubt the Texans would allow the Jags to interview him for the same position he’s currently in with them. I don’t even know if they’d allow him to interview as HC of the Jags (assuming it comes to that).

I think the biggest problem right now is still the roster, and that will take a couple more years to iron out. We have 2 pass blocking tackles (allegedly) and 3 interior guys that at times struggle in that area. We have small, quick receivers, that I think would fit well in a west coast system, and a quarterback that depends on the run game to set up the pass. At RB we have a young Brian Westbrook (but depth is badly needed).

On defense the Jags don’t have the personnel to run a decent 4-3 or 3-4. I like the direction the team’s headed, but what is that direction? To me it seems like the Jags are turning from a Baltimore and turning more into a Philadelphia (I thought the Sean McDermott suggestion was great).

I definitely agree that Jack Del Rio isn’t a good teacher overall; the guy knows linebacker, but I think he misses the boat on the rest, especially offense.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 24, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hands off Kyle..

…we aren’t letting him go anywhere.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

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by TexansForever on Sep 24, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for joining!

An extemely well written piece.

What is interesting to me is the Jaguars have less people in the stands but we are recording record volume here with wonderfully informed and new members.

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by Tkopa on Sep 24, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the effort and thought you put into this post but I must disagree regarding the drafting.

I first came on this site to ask about Shack Harris, he is now in Detroit, and was told how horribly he drafted. When I reviewed his picks, his first rounders were not good, but his second rounders were outstanding and they hit at least one other late rounder too. You need to look at the draft as a whole, not just the first round.
Also look at the drafts before Shack came on the scene. They were no hell either. Hit the first round picks, Stroud and Henderson, whiffed on most of the rest.

Last, looking at who you could have drafted in place of who you did is a pointless exercise. You can almost always find a “better” player than the one you drafted. It will drive you nuts man.

Again, thanks for a well written comment. Keep posting!

by NorthLeft12 on Sep 24, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

I was just thinking the same thing. Hindsight is 20/20

by Ewdtrey on Sep 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow! What a post!

A few things:

The what-if game is never fun to play. I agree that Shack’s drafting left a lot to be desired, but you could also say that every single team in the NFL missed on Tom Brady at least 5 times. But yeah…Shack did not do a good job. I would even go as far as to say his free agent signings were even worse than his drafts, which really says something.

Also, McDermott wouldn’t even be a coordinator today if Jim Johnson were alive. I’m sure he’s a great position coach, and I would certainly support him as a defensive coordinator, but I definitely don’t think he’s ready to be a head coach. If he needs an offensive genius to make up for his lack of knowledge on offense, that’s not any different than the situation now with Jack.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Sep 24, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

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