Preventive action: Why the London Jaguars will be not a success story
Before some commentators and columnists will switch to full throttle of the "Jaguars moving toward" kind of stories, here is a reminder for them, that the Jaguars are pretty safe within the next 2-3 years from any moving to somewhere kind of actions. That means the Jaguars can have a maybe last shot with their rebuilding process.. Well lot of empty seats are sure, not a welcomed view for those who who want profit from this whole league. But they (starting with Roger Goodell) must cooled down and be realistic. Even Los Angeles (the second largest market in the USA) is not ready right now for an NFL for couple of reasons (California is literally bankrupted, there is no new stadium in sight just yet, and did I mentioned the 3 teams which left the "City of Angels"...)
Which leaves for searching for a new target location for those who don't want to see the Jaguars in Jacksonville. And they found one: London. Even Roger Goodell likes the idea of expandig the NFL to the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Well I have bad news for them. It ain't gonna work! And I have a couple of very big reasons to that.
1. Timezones
I think the biggest factor is the time difference, and the advantage and disadvantage which will happen automaticly if an NFL team will based there. Even the teams at the east coast are 5 timezones away from London. Why is that important? Because based on the experience of other athletes in other sports, after traveling to a much different timezone, athletes need time, to accomodate to it. Which means the team from US must travel to London on Wendesday for Sunday"s matchup, to not have a major disadvantage at the game. Because the home team is perfectly fit to the circumstances and will be ready that' sure, meanwhile the visitor of the matchup will try to catch on in the first 1-2 days, so just a Wendesday arrival can insure, that no team suffer any disadvantage from that effect! It is a factor even for the teams at the coast. And that is of course the case with the team in London as well to EVERY away games! They must go to the states on Wendesday as well, to accomodate. Coaches and players will like that, I'm sure...
2. Broadcasting
Another major problem. The London games started and will start this year at 13:00 EST. Which means 18:00 locally in London. That is the almost only possible timesolution for the London team. And these means troubles as well. What if the last game in Week 17 (or 18 or 19, whatever)will be played in London, and will be the most important matchup of that weeks calendar, because it has the biggest impact of the playoffs. Starting it at 13:00 in the US, and throw away the huge ratings? Or turn the the thing around, every game the London based team will play on 13:00 even on the west coast? You, know you must think to the London fanbase. There are some hardcore footbal fans, who are looking a bit of a junkie because of lack of sleep on Monday (and Tuesday), there will be some, but there will be not many. And you must count off prime time games too in that mentality, as well, because you must think of the Europen fanbase, and give them the right to see their team(Will be the Jaguars their team? Really?) live when they are playing in the States. It means less ratings in the U.S. networks. I don't think CBS, FOX, NBC, and ESPN will like that idea...
3. Remembering the failure of NFL Europe
There was an attempt in the 90s to give NFL experience to European cities. And well in the early szages there were team in Scotland, Spain, even London. And of course Germany. And it was a place where players like Kurt Warner or Jake Delhomme gave a second chance to their careers, but let's face it, in the end it was a road which went to nowhere. The interest declined, the NFL Europe nicknamed was in the end NFL Germany (5 out of 5 teams played there in the last seasons), the profit they expected from the thing was far from the expectations. So the NFL did what they can only do, shut down the whole thing.
4. The Land of Soccer (and the effect of Rugby)
Now NFL is booming in Europe and worldwide as well that is true. But they have simply no chance against another booming sport: soccer. That is Europe's (and slowly the rest of the worlds) NFL too, and in the top candidate markets (England, Spain, Germany) the NFL doesn't hold the candle against soccer. And if we speak about London there is another sport which booming these days. Rugby. Folks many people are don't like NFL because they find it too soft compare to rugby! I totally disagree with that opinion, but it is a way of thinking in Western Europe, belive me. Not to mention that after the 1st regular season game of the Giants and the Dolphins many local(!) spectators who were at the game had a bit bad taste in their mouth, because the game was slow (compared to soccer and rugby), to many interuptions, was too long etc. 1 game is a fine attraction. Maybe 2 per year as well too. But 8? I think it is a too tall mountain to climb because of the reasons what I just wrote about.
With this I don't wanna create the illusion of not buying tickets, because the team will never move. No, the fanbase in Jacksonville must show up at the home games, avoid blackouts in the future. This team ask for time. It will not be a powerhouse this year, maybe even next year too(the schdule will be very hard(NFC East, AFC West, who are on the rise veryslowly, and our division). But I think soon this team will belong where now the Patriots, Giants, Steelers, and Colts are. A dominating powerhouse for years. But to be paid off in the future, you must invest now! But do it because the passion, because for the team, not because of a guy might being drafted(you all know who I'm talking about...), or scared the hell out of you by these "the Jags are moving to" kind of talks. I tried to show with this article why the Jaguars still have time to get their fanbase back, why they are safe no matter what some sources and commentators will tell you in the next few weeks/months. You; dear Jaguars fan can silence them, if you will be on Sundays at "the Jack". And I think if that happen, and this team will be that powerhouse I think the Jaguars can stop worrying of the blackouts, and we simple fans will stop hearing from articles which trying to ship this team from Jacksonville in their columns!
Zoltan Paksa
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I completely agree with everything that you wrote,
i’m from 4hrs north of london in a big city called Leeds ( believe it or not 4hrs here is a long way)
Anyway i also wanted to add – what will happen when teams bring FA’s in for a look, they have to fly all the way to England?! Also.. in the predraft workouts – aloot of players will have to travel over to England, not what they need as their schedules are already hectic enough.
FYI:
After intense negotiations, a lawsuit filed by the nearby city of Walnut has been resolved, clearing a path for the construction of a new football stadium in the L.A.-area city of Industry.
The settlement renders efforts to change California environmental laws unnecessary…….
And so the project may now proceed.
Ed Roski is not a fool, he’s one of the richest Americans alive, and he pretty much built the Staples center. He owns part of the Lakers and Kings. LA will have a team proabably before the staduim is finished.
The 3 or 4 teams in the leauge that needs/wants a new staduim now has this as leverage. Not to mention the teams that can’t sell tickets. Some cities will fold in part to this, and those teams will get their stadium, but not all will. One or more of those cities will call bluff, or an owner who is finding it harder and harder to pay the bills will see the allure of the Nations second largest city as an escape plan.
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by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 24, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions
So how dangerous
is the situation for us?
And who are the other candidates?
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 24, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I still say San Diego or St.Louis is far more likely to leave
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by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 24, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If
the owner Zygi Wolff cannot pay any more the Jared Allen’s by just himself, then they are might be a candidate as well!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 25, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Oakland?
By the way I have thought about these teams as well.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 25, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Oakland has trouble with tickets
and a nearby move to La wouldn’t hurt the fan base too bad.
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We don't have a staidum which can
be enough good for the NFL level stadium. There is one built in the 50s, but it is veeeeery old.
There is promise that soon there will be another stadium, but I think It will happen not in the near future
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
When it is built I'm sure Hungary will be the first to secure the next NFL Franchise.
The HUNGARY RUBIKS CUBES!!!!
Maybe the Pakistan Vikings
and the DuBai Cardinals. Why stop with only London? Put the NFL everywhere but keep teams in New York, Dallas and Washington. Everywhere there are airports.
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World Championship Game i think.
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NFL
must stay in America. It is America’s game. We non americans are enjoy it, and like it, but it is still AMerica’s game!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 25, 2009 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
No there are more
Budapest Titans, Újbuda Rebels, just to nake a few. By the way the Wolwes are aa pretty good regional legaue team. (and the Cowboys re not bad either)
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 26, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Jag Fan
screw anyone who don’t love our Jags
Speak it ,Speak it
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I Respect em
But certainly don’t love them.
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Thanks for being once again
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 24, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
My long, boring comment on football vs. soccer:
The NFL has exactly one core product. Exhibitions of American Football. That is it’s core business, and by definition it cannot do anything else. Sure, its owners can get involved in other business ventures, and several American sports owners have done just that with English soccer teams. The Glazers own Manchester United, and despite having a lot of debt (from buying the team) to pay off, they undoubtedly make more off that beast, especially when resale is considered, than they ever could from the Buccaneers. Randy Lerner, who owns the Browns, also owns Aston Villa, another top-flight English soccer club.
What they have realized, individually, that the NFL as an entity cannot, is that Zoltan is right. Europeans, even the British, will not in a hundred years care about the NFL in sufficient numbers to make a team there a practical consideration. The league senses that it can barely make any more money in America as it is currently structured, and is wildly groping for any idea it thinks may help it grow revenues long-term.
Our game is wonderful, amazing even, but in a way that you cannot properly explain to people raised on soccer (which I also love). American football is all about setting a plan and executing it in a burst of violence and almost ballet-like coordination. The two most popular European versions of football, soccer and 15-man rugby (i.e. rugby union) are flowing games that depend on individual virtuosity and small-group simpatico, requiring players to adapt to the situation on the field as it develops around them.
The action in those games rarely stops compared to our game, and the nuances of substitution packages, clock management, and pent-up tension that we as fans of the NFL and NCAA football take for granted, come across to the average European as interminable periods of boring nothingness. Of course, the fact that they can’t see the beauty of the American Chess-match/war-simulation doesn’t mean it’s not there. I spend more TIME these days wrapped up in following soccer, but nothing surpasses the visceral THRILL I get from watching MY Jaguars win a game after a two-minute drill.
In the end, NFL football in the UK will never draw the consistent crowds and TV Viewers required for it to be worth all the trouble it would cause to the 31 or more teams still in the US. The Jaguars have a lot of off-the-field issues, but Zoltan is right: moving to London ain’t one of them,
Thanks for these thoughts
these points helping a lot for my piece. Thanks for the support!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 25, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
Personally, I dislike soccer but I was raised on rugby union and live in a country where it is practically a religion. The hardest thing to get someone raised on rugby union used to is the stop-start nature of the game, and the lack of individual initiative. You know those weird NFL plays where there are a whole bunch of laterals? Rugby union is kind of like that for the entire game. There are instances where a single “play” can go on for 4-5 minutes. When that is what you are used to, it takes some serious knowledge to even understand how NFL can be vaguely exciting.
In my opinion, unless the NFL makes a concerted effort to explain the “soul” of NFL to people outside the states, it will never flourish or grow. Knowing the rules of the game is not enough, you know to understand the POINT of the game. I’ve asked friends and family what they think of the NFL… and for the most part they say “OK fine, some talented athletes… but it’s just a bunch of guys running into each other for 1 or 2 seconds, and then it stops. Then they do it again. I don’t get it, it’s weird.”
On the flip side…. I was interested from my first exposure to NFL, mainly because I thought the RBs were pretty elusive and worked damn hard for short gains. I did not really understand what I was seeing, but the athletism was apparent. I was most confused by how 1 team could make offense look very easy, while the other team made it look impossible, even though it appeared they were trying the same things. I took the time to learn about it. As I learned more, I got more and more “into it”. The NFL season ended, and a few weeks later the rugby union season began. I was so excited to see my beloved rugby union team again. After watching 20 minutes or so I was scratching my head in puzzlement. I just could not get into it. A free-flowing game relying on individual initiative is great in theory, but it leads to masses of mindless/pointless play where everyone appears to be waiting for someone else to do something. I cannot actually sit through an entire rugby union game anymore, I just get too frustrated.
I also think
that this would cause a huge problem with the scouting department. Are they planning on leaving them in the US to scout players while the Jags are in Europe. Also I dont think playing in Europe would be something that would attract free agents. Why would anyone want the hassle of playing so far away from their friends and families. Great story Zoltan, you gave us a lot to think about.
I just
try to tackle things, which may can coming
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 25, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions
if the continued 40,000 or less fills your stadium next year, the jacksonville jaguars as you know them will be gone. two years max this team is in jax or whenever the stadium is completely built
no way any team is going to london but if you think LA isnt going to happen you are not paying attention or in big denial. I know no one wants to believe they are losing their team but this isnt even an if…its when.
News briefs: Stadium for L.A. area clears hurdle
Sep. 24, 2009
CBSSports.com wire reports
LOS ANGELES — The city of Industry approved a settlement Thursday with a neighboring city that had opposed plans for an $800 million NFL stadium, clearing a hurdle in efforts to bring a pro football team to the Los Angeles area.
The deal approved unanimously by the Industry City Council grants the city of Walnut $9 million, an annual cash payment of up to $500,000 and other concessions, Industry City Manager Kevin Radecki said.
“We are extremely pleased that the city of Walnut, the city of Industry and the developer have been able to reach an agreement for this project that will create jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars of economic benefits for this region,” Industry Mayor David Perez said in a joint statement with Walnut officials.
nice to know, well not really
We rather not know whats happening in LA. And for the last couple games we’ve been having more than 40,000. We’ll be here still, sweetie.
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wonders....
if they would play “God save the Queen” instead of the National anthem?
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by chrisd21 on Sep 25, 2009 9:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
As I wrote Terry
I don’t think this crazy idea becoming reality. It is doomed right now in my opinion!
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I hope your right Zoltan
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I questioned Jery Jones
charging people to sit outside the stadium and watch their team on a tv screen. They touchy about that stadium over there.
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One day they'll build a skyscraper thats hollow
put a stadium in and when its totally full, they’ll charge people a teloscope to see the game from the top of the roof.
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I live near London, and there is no chance of an NFL team being succesful here in the next few years.
At my school there are about 6 of us who vaguely follow the game, and only me and one other who could be considered proper fans. Comparing this to the popularity of “soccer” and “rugby”, NFL doesnt have anywhere near the numbers for a proper fanbase.
Another problem is that even over here Jacksonville are a small market team. Most people support the big names of football, and although these fans would willingly give up one weekend a year to watch a game, they wouldnt go every week. If another team except the Jags came to London I would rather watch the Jaguars on Gamepass than spend so much money on a team i dont support. London might just about have enough football fans to fill a stadium 8 times a year, but not enough fans of the new team. For a team to move to London successfully, it would have to be done over a number of years, with the team playing 2 or 3 games in London a year, so the new NFL fans would support that franchise. Otherwise new supporters will support a vast range of teams and not be overly interested when the, as they see it, “failure of a franchise” Jaguars for example come to London.
There is also the issue of a stadium – the last two years the game has been played at Wembley. While this is okay once a year, doing it 8 times a year wouldnt be feasible with the other commitments that the stadium has, such as soccer matches. The rather barbaric England soccer supporters would also not be pleased with the “home of football (soccer)” and a soccer fortress being turned into a stadium for a “stupid american sport”.
Finally the infrastructure as a whole isnt there. Firstly the American version of football isnt taught in schools, and so virtually noone will get a chance to play it. This is (i think) a pretty vital part in gaining a passion for the game. With no infrastructure further down, fans will have to get into NFL on their own, while football, rugby and cricket are taught at school. Also, one of the most appealing things about soccer, as with most sports, is the intense rivalrly between local teams, such as Man Utd against Man City. A London franchise not any rivals in the UK will detract from its appeal.
On a side note, i dont think that the pauses and the longievity of the game is necessarily the problem. Cricket is a game which is hugely popular here, and that takes 5 days to complete, and the action is infrequent. The main problem is a lack of understanding. When theres a long stoppage in play, or the ball hasnt been snapped, they dont understand the tactics behind it, because in British sports the coaches job is done before the game, and then the players go and play. This makes the coaches role of deciding every play alien to msot people.
Hope this helps. Go Jaguars.
Thank ya kindly
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