LA Stadium clears hurdle, but it's still not time to panic
A few days ago, the group looking to build a NFL stadium in the city of Industry cleared it's biggest hurdle by settling with the nearby city of Walnut (source). With that in place, the frame work for the other pending lawsuits is set and it would seem all the legal issues are out of the way for a stadium in LA. The group is headed by Ed Roski, the same man responsible for privately building the Staples Center for the Lakers and who plans to privately fund the construction of the stadium in LA, so the excuse of "California is broke" won't matter in this case as tax payer money will be used minimally.
I'm sure we'll hear more about the "LA" Jaguars from the national pundits, but perception won't equal reality. This is for several reasons that I'll outline below. Think of this as LA debunking 101 when you hear your buddy at the office picking on you
1. The Lease
When the city of Jacksonville renovated then Alltel Stadium in preparation for Super Bowl XXXIX the Jaguars signed a 30 year extension to their current lease. As of right now, the Jaguars would have to show they lost money for three consecutive seasons in order to get out of paying almost $100 million to the city. This isn't the kind of playful language the Oklahoma City group used to usurp the Sonics to OKC, it spells out clearly what the Jaguars have to do to leave.
In addition, opening up their books would be a huge detriment to the NFL at large, as it would give the Players Union exactly the opprutunity they've been wanting. They could see the exact balance sheet of a NFL team and use it against the owners in negotiating.
On the other hand, the Chargers only have to pay $26 million to exit their lease with no questions asked after the 2011 season.
2. The Stadium
Jacksonville Muncipal Stadium may not be the shining jewel of the football world, but it is still an extremely funcitional stadium in good shape. Unless Jacksonville is hit by a Category 5 hurricane in the next few years, no event should cause the stadium to become substandard within the next decade.
Compared to the dome in St.Louis or San Diego's stadium, JMS is a palace. Almost all team's leave because of stadium issues, not ticket related ones.
San Diego in particular has been having issues and has met a massive amount of resistance trying to get a new stadium in the city. Currently, two suburbs are in discussions for what could be the last ditch attempt for the team to stay in the area. If a new stadium plan for the Chargers actually get's done, then we can start to worry.
That's it for now, more to come
-Jonathan Loesche
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don’t forget about the Vikings maybe moving to L.A. as well.
"I'm sorry Josh, I'm with Chicago now, you need to stop calling me" -JerBear50 as Jay Cutler
by BearNecessities on Sep 28, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
I thought I heard the Vikes got a stadium deal finally?
"It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's just hilarious."-Bill Hicks
by Jonathan Loesche on Sep 28, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Minnesota Vikings start tweeting for stadium
- Not yet
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Yes we will
hear more LA jaguars, butI hope Oakland or San Diego will move to there. We will see.
Thanks for the article John!
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 28, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
Los Angeles Rams
has a nice ring to it… oh, wait….
It's only a matter of time...
No matter what we say here, Jacksonville will always find an excuse not to buy tickets. It’s only a matter of time before they’re gone. Better enjoy em while you can. The fan base as a whole is lazy and cheap. It may not be that way, but perception is reality.
Some "fans"
will find excuses, but not Jville. I think if te team will start winning agains, plus the people will have better finicial situation, the “Jack” will be full with fans soon.
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 28, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That's right, Z.
The man lives halfway around the world and he has more faith in us than most of you do in yourself. Let that be a lesson. Thank you, Zoltan.
Vae Victis!
My pleasure!
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
The stadium plan here is moving along
but at the end of the day, the stadium won’t break ground until a team commits. The NFL isn’t going to bother with figuring out which team makes the most sense this offseason as they deal with the upcoming CBA negotiations and the following offseason they will be trying to avoid a work stoppage.
Before a team picks up and moves here, there will be a new CBA. That CBA will determine which team moves here. The new financial model outlined in the CBA will either place a premium on outstanding, modern stadiums with the premium seating that accompanies it or it will make teams more self-sufficient and place a premium on tickets sold, corporate support and sponsorships. If the new CBA outlines a business model that places a premium on the second, the Jags could very well be on the way out here, but until the CBA negotiations commence and we get an idea as to where the league is going, speculation as to who will move will remain just that.
by Ryan Rosenblatt on Sep 29, 2009 12:52 AM EDT reply actions
Nice article, Jon.
Well done. Very encouraging. Jacksonville, If you can afford tickets, buy them. If you can’t, so be it. We will eventually get this thing turned around. I can’t afford the tickets. But I won’t miss a game. I make it happen. Those of you who want to trumpet Jacksonville’s inevitable loss of the team…well I think that is premature. If you yourself are not going to the games, yet you’re still talking trash about this situation, you are a hypocrite. Be ashamed, and be silent. Help to find a positive solution to an issue, or you are a part of the issue. Eventually a solution will be found and you’ll look like a prattling, worried old lady.
Vae Victis!
Arena Football Coming Back To Jacksonville
I was reading around the net & heard that Arena Football was coming back & was surprised to see Jacksonville listed as a place listed to have a team. This is intriguing considering our concerns of the Jaguars leaving town. Something to think about…
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Sep 29, 2009 10:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
There is Nothing to Fear
Jacksonville got caught in a perfect storm of destructive elements coming together … a tumbling economy, the personnel fallout of the Shack era, the extraordinary success of the Gators, and pathetically unimaginative marketing on the part of the Jaguars. The economy is bouncing back and in two years will not be an issue. Gene Smith and JDR have us back on the right path in terms of personnel, with exciting young players of character. The Gators will always be an issue, maybe a little less so when Tebow (and maybe Meyer?) leaves. And the marketing exec to whom Wayne is being loyal will retire soon, giving the Jags a chance to upgrade in that area.
If our owner wants to cash out and sell to someone who will move the team there is nothing we can do, but I believe Wayne cares about doing the right thing for this city, I believe he assumes most of the blame for what has happened, and I believe, with great passion, that we are going to be fine. Better than fine. Super Bowl contenders with a rockin’ stadium full of Jagophiles.
And I believe we should all chip in and send Zoltan an airline ticket so he attend a game in person!
Marketing
I dunno if Gene has a had in marketing too, but I think the Jaguars are doing a great job in marketing this year. Updates to Jaguars.com, embracing social media, billboards, web ads, contests getting fans involved, community service… etc. In the 15 yrs of the Jaguars being here, I’ve never been so immersed by my team.
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Sep 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and they market the flex packs pretty good
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
I can't believe the NFL is seriously considering another team in LA...
Terrible football city, not to mention the whole place is going to slide into the drink soon.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
do what you can....
to save your team NOW. dont wait till the fourth quarter! make petitions, encourage others to show support… do what you can. cause once it’s gone… it’s gone. we were extremely lucky to get another team. and when we didnt have football, it felt like you lose your identity as a city. and considering you guys have no basketball team or baseball team to fall back on, unless you like the butts or the fins, you’re essentially assed out.
You are banned from Music City Miracles. (twice)
You are banned from Blogging The Boys.
well we do have the Gators
bwahahahahaha
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
Bottom Line...
Win or loose, if the people of Jacksonville want to stay on the national map, they must attend games or there will be no team to even talk about on Monday morning anymore. Businesses will no longer look to Jacksonville as a serious location. If the fans and this city have really given up on this team already, then I say let them move. It’s not the team’s fault that they are not being supported by the people of this city. I drive to EVERY game from Cocoa Beach because I was born and raised in Jacksonville and the Jaguars are my team, win or lose. It’s a 2 and a half our drive, but I do it without hesitation. There is no place that I would rather be than in my original home town, with my family, watching the team that I grew up watching. However, if the people who live in Jacksonville, less than 20 or 30 minutes away from the stadium, can’t support this team in their own city, then I wish the Jaguars organization and their generous owner, Wayne Weaver, all the success in their new location. The excuses have been anything and everything, any excuse that anyone can come up with. How good was the economy in 03 – 07? And we still had ticket sales issues. Not to this extent, but the problems were there, and not economically related.
More Jacksonville news
I just read that JTA is planning on putting a railway system throughout Jacksonville. This is after a consultant firm determined it was needed in order to meet the growth demands. Not only will this help the Jaguars in removing a barrier some fans have in getting to games, it shows that Jacksonville is on it’s way to solidifying itself as a true metropolitan city.
IMO a city on the rise creates a greater fanbase than an already established city because in a growth city, it becomes a part of the culture as opposed to an established one like LA, where it can be easily tossed aside for many of LA’s alternatives.
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
by JagsNguyen on Sep 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I will give up all my X-Mas presents for the next decade if the Jags stay in Jax
Word is bond
by Jags-Fan-In-Chicago on Sep 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Me too!!!
That would be all I ever want for X-Mas is to be watching Jacksonville Jaguar football! Good call!
by jagsfanbrunell on Sep 29, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
All i want is the Jaguars to stay indefinately
………..and a xbox360 :)
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
The Flavour of the Day is Turf. - Courtesy of the Jacksonville Jaguars
"As for me, Life goes on."-TheTealDeal
City Council Now Stepping Up
Per Jacksonville.com
As speculation over a possible Jacksonville Jaguars exit builds, the city has identified about $5 million a year that can be used to pay for needed maintenance at the Sports Complex — primarily Jacksonville Municipal Stadium.
Maybe they could change out the seats to wider ones to increase the comfort & decrease the seating capacity in the Stadium… Just a thought for us Season-Ticket Holders. =)
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
5 Million per year?
They just need to use that money and buy season tickets!
by jagsfanbrunell on Sep 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Qualcom
I’ve been to the Chargers stadium and it is heinous. If they don’t get a new stadium soon, they will be out of there.
I've seen better high school stadiums...
Of course I’m in Texas where Sxhool Districts cut fudning for things like “lernin letters” and “figurin out them number things” in order to fuind football.
I LOVE TEXAS!
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Oct 1, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Note the spelling errors...I'm telling you what!
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Oct 1, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
please let it be true
im from L.A and the jags have been my team since their expansion. after the evil b*itch took my rams to STL i decided to follow the jags and ive been in love since. lol. i would feel for you guys if they came to L.A but it would probably make me the happiest person alive. if we get some other team like the chargers or whatever..the jags will still be my team =)

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