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Change and the Jaguars: Is the spread-offense the future?

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I suppose, being a conservative guy, that this has carried over to my football ideology.  Run the ball, convert 3rd down, throw the ball effectively, win 17-13 and everyone is happy.  I like big, physical wide receivers, a running back committee consisting of a balanced “every down” guy, a scat back that with good hands, and a physical pounder to get the tough yards.  I like massive, physical offensive linemen that will, in the 4th quarter, physically dominate a tired, demoralized defense.

However, after watching the first 2 weeks of this season I don’t know if my “dream team”, in today’s game, is really possible.  Oh sure, the Ravens and the Vikings have made it work for them.  In fact, up until last year it had worked in Jacksonville.  But I fear that these teams are on the verge of being antiquated in today’s basketball on grass.  Don’t get me wrong; these teams, like past-Jacksonville teams, will be the teams everyone hates to play.  They’re hard hitting, physical teams, but in the end they’ll fall short of the ultimate goal of the Super Bowl.

Jerry Jones slithered in to an interview the opening night of his monstrosity of a stadium.  NBC asked Jerry about the collective bargaining agreement and revenue sharing.  Jerry never came out and said it, but he intimated his super stadium was the future; teams will either have to drive up revenues to “survive” or perish.  They asked Jones about football in danger of becoming baseball (i.e. high revenues succeed where low revenues fail), and Jones simply stated the owners should be concerned with maximizing revenues for themselves and players, and the players would then only have to worry about playing. 

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Kids, the days of revenue sharing, I fear, are coming to an end.  The Jacksonville’s and Buffalo’s of the NFL: get ready.  To channel Vic for a moment, "Small market teams may have to get very, very creative with personnel."

The more I watch, the more I’m convinced that the future of NFL offenses is (gag me) the spread (or “Wildcat”, whatever you want to call it).  By Wildcat though, I mean an Alex Smith, Tim Tebow, Tyler Thigpen,…(takes a shot of whiskey) or even Vince Young. Just not a running back playing Quarterback. 


I fought the concept, I deplore the thought, but a “Tim Tebow” might just have to be the future of Jacksonville.  WHAT?  He can’t make all the throws, questionable accuracy at times, etc…  But we’re projecting him into a pro offense.  When I say “Tebow” I mean a quarterback that will willingly take off down-field if they don’t see the open receiver, someone with smarts, and someone that is a leader.  A quarterback that works within the system and takes what the defense gives them.  Is that specifically Tebow?  No, there are other guys that can do that.  But I have a feeling we will see a young quarterback on the roster next year with college experience in the spread whether it’s Tebow or someone else.


The fullback is a dying position.  The H-Back is an up and coming position.  Run blocking for these guys is not a priority; catching passes is.  Today when a team gets to the 2 yard line how often do we see them spread teams out?  How many times have we seen those quick WR screens only to have the cornerback miss what used to be a sure tackle in the open field?  How many times do we see guys in space turn a 5 yard gain into a 20 yard gain? The spread would be a way to get more of those opportunities.


The Jags already have a few of the pieces in place for this possible future (2 pass blocking tackles – performance issues aside, quick fleet-footed receivers – Mike Thomas we think, and a great pass catching fleet footed power back – MJD).


I see bubble screens, quick outs, slants, draws, reverses, and direct snaps to the back.  I see the “wildcat” spread, only instead of a back or receiver it will be a scrambling quarterback.  I see Percy Harvin’s and Jeremy Maclin’s becoming every bit as valuable as a solid running-back.  I see hybrid Felix Jones’ playing a wide receiver/running-back role (ie Percy Harvin at Florida).  I see this becoming a game of speed and agility rather than power.


In reading comments on why people weren’t going to the game people complained of games being “boring”.  I find the Jaguars’ 9-0 win over the Steelers on Monday night back in the day exciting, but apparently the mainstream fans want points, big plays, and 35-34 games, not 9-0 “yawn fests”.  The spread, when done right, will put points on the board.

It may take some time and growing pains, but in the next few years passing records will begin to fall.  The football field is 100 yards x 53 yards (approximately), and these teams will use every inch of it to remain competitive.

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i really hope

your dream doesnt come true, because i def. agree that would be a nightmare

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by esierra44 on Sep 29, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

An interesting thought, in my household we dispise Jerry Jones

for us he represents thee worser aspects of football and a bad version of the future. I would say FB is a dead position because you don’t see any Francos, or Alstotts anymore.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 29, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I too hate the thought

I really hope your nightmare never becomes reality. I am only 21 years old but I consider myself a throwback fan because like you i to loved seeing us battle to a 9-0 or 10-7 win against teams. All i wanna see two teams pounding the rock and smackin eachother in the mouth on Defense. I despise the Spread and wildcat and hope to see them disapper. Sadly it seems that they are only growing.

by paulyman29 on Sep 29, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Jerry Jones is one of those hardcore free market guys...

Basically he’s all about himself and could give a damn about the league or anyone else.

I think the future can still have a power running game, and really tough defense but in my opinion all that run 1st stuff is just setting yourself up for an eventual failure. I’m a guy who likes a balanced attack. I remember CBS showed a stat that said 26 running plays/26 passing plays. I love that style. It makes you unpredictable and gives defenses fits.

I do not think the spread option and all that other crap has a future. The closest I ever saw where the Vick falcons and that was only because Vick is truly one of the greatest talents (athletically speaking) to play the game. A QB who can outrun running backs is a nightmare. Tebow and the like are nothing like Vick, and won’t have nearly as much success because they don’t have the athletic gifts that Vick has.

by Slvrgun on Sep 29, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Hooked....and pulled into the boat.

Dead fish! Either side has an argument as valid as yours. Run or pass. It doesn’t matter. Effectiveness until the clock hits zero still marks the measure of victory. And Jerry Jones will be dead soon. So, generalizations and skeletons do not equate to the future of football in my world. Fluctuations will always occur, and the future is anyone’s guess.

I say to hell with what’s to come and let’s live in the now. Have you washed your Jags’ jersey for this weekend? Are your mugs clean? Have you purchased a fresh bag of charcoal?

These are questions that amateurs like us can truly answer with accurate affirmation. Otherwise, drink from a poisonous glass like the one just offered to you by the article above. Future telling is for gypsies. Not for Jaguars’ fans.

Go Jags. Go fans. Have a blast this weekend. We might take this son of a bitch to 2 and 2. That’s enough to fire up my grill. Jerry Jones? Well, maybe I’ll dress like him for Halloween.

The Teal and Black are comin' back!

by arthardie on Sep 30, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Great comment, my man

I have to say though, you actually wash your jersey? Haha, I truly don’t believe I’ve ever washed either of my jerseys. Even when they begin to stink, the most I’d ever do is rinse them off and hang ‘em up. My jerseys give me a certain feeling when I wear them. That feeling isn’t the same if its all fresh and clean… lol

by Blair72 on Sep 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't wash mine either

it’s like those lucky socks….

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by Surteal on Oct 1, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or in the words of the author....

…a future to fear.

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by arthardie on Sep 30, 2009 2:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not a lawyer

But I was a government/poli sci major and took a few pre-law classes. I love it.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 30, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I would lose a fair amount of interest in the NFL if it became a pass happy spread offense type of league...

But teams like the patriots and the COlts regularly succeed, even though they’re a bunch of pansies… I don’t even know how there fans can enjoy watching their teams wimp out for 60 minutes, and still win because they can throw the ball like madmen…

It’s sickening to watch, and I hope the defense always stays hard-nosed in Jacksonville, and I hope we always run the ball first… run, run, run….

BTW… I love the way Marty Schottenheimer plays the game… the guys is brilliant. He never calls the same play twice over a four game period, even his run plays differ. That’s one of the reasons he was always so effective. Teams couldn’t gameplan against them well because Marty had a bastion of 500-600 plays to choose from.

Coaching is, and always will be, a major part of any team’s effectiveness.

That being said, I hope we don’t see the spread take hold any time soon in the NFL

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by silencecs on Sep 30, 2009 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Jerry Jones couldn't even buy himself a championship.

He doesn’t understand team mentality, he doesn’t really understand football. I think him and Dan Snyder are the main two pushing for no CBA and don’t have a league first mentatliy. If it was up to those guys there would be 16 teams in just the biggest markets and only the same couple would be in the playoffs each year. Yes Jerry Jones wants to kill football and I hope Goodell can gain the support of the majority of the owners to prevent that from happening.

by Aurawolf on Sep 30, 2009 5:02 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the traditionalist owners, like Ralph Wilson, Rooney, and

Wayne Weaver will help Goodell reach that majority.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 30, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is playing at LSU or so they say?

by jawsaints on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I somehow doubt it.

I think his backup will play

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's the future we better get on it

I know a lot of people don’t like the Gators around here but regardless of your feelings for them I think they are a fun team to watch as long as you have the sound on mute so you don’t have to listen to them talk about Tim Tebow’s “Passion” for 3 hours.

I like how Florida uses the spread to open the run game. They are a run first team but in a different way. I love the power I too but watching that triple option with Tebow, Demps, and Hernandez is a thing of beauty I wouldn’t mind seeing in Jacksonville.

by rusty904 on Sep 30, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't have any problem with Gators

I just don’t think Tim Tebow can make it as an NFL QB. He just doesn’t have the passing skills.

If the coaches at UF really wanted to reward Tebow for all the good things he’s done for the University, the next time they were up 31-0 at the start of the 2nd Quarter they would switch the playbook to a pro-style offense where he works from under center, takes 3 and 5 step drops and tries to improve his pocket passing game.

I’m guessing the reason they haven’t done this is because he can’t make the quick decisions and all the throws necessary to pull this off and attempting to would only further prove this to scouts.

by pksiv on Sep 30, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do love seeing the triple option out of the shotgun

The spread can be a running offense, like with the Gators. I wouldn’t mind seeing that in the NFL at all.

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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 30, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I signed up here specifically to say...

….Jerry Jones is an evil, selfish, megalomaniacal douchebag who is harmful to the game of football. If he had it his way, the NFL would be a two team league with the Cowboys in the position of the Harlem Globetrotters and the other team as the Washington Generals. The sooner he’s caught by the SEC or whatever in some shady financial dealing and dragged off to white collar prison, the better.

Whew. Just had to get that out of my system.

I do expect to see the rise of more spread-option like attacks as an outgrowth of the Wildcat. Especially as quarterbacks like Tebow come into the league and some team eventually trades for Michael Vick and makes him their starter.

But remember: We’ve basically already seen the spread in the NFL in recent memory….perhaps you remember the run-and-shoot in the early and mid 90’s? Defensive co-ordinators figured that out pretty quick.

Oh and just let me say: I know your team is going through a rough patch right now. But listen to me: I’m a Raiders fan. It can get SO MUCH WORSE. Believe me when I say I know what I’m talking about.

by Raybin on Sep 30, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Sadly, I do feel this will happen, but eventually the I-Form and the short gain will return probably within 3 or 4 years. the spread works in the NFL, because running it with NFL quality offense versus a base 4-3 will for the while end up like UF-Vanderbilt, but defenses will respond, and that’s why already the Single WIng is morphing to a QB-centric offense, so you can throw and run out of it, but i do think maybe even the pocket passer will fade for a while, and you might see QB rushing records fall again, like the original Vick and Kordell Stewart way back. Though I say, the FB isn’t dying but is becoming the HB and the RB will become the TB, like NCAA, where all the backs really do everything in the backfield, and can line up wide. Call me crazy, but i say we see Mike Thomas and Maurice Drew lining up in the Backfield together like this
     QB
WR>RB
and i think WIlford is the next form of TE, like Dallas CLark in IND, because neither are paticularly good blockers but have excellent hands and as Del Rio said, aren’t point-of-attack. I say the OT postition becomes even more athletic and they start blocking in space for real, like splitting off the line and then crushing in
OT———OG>CC>OG——-OT
or something like that, but i hold out hope that the era of the Big Back isn’t dead yet, their just a few inches shorter. Give me Jim Brown and Paul Hornung over Darren Sproles and Chris Johnson

by jawsaints on Sep 30, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I have a poster of Marty Schottenheimer in my room.

DannoE

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by DannoE on Sep 30, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Ditto...

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by silencecs on Sep 30, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

personally........

i like old school football. make is simple stupid is my slogan. even on madden…. anyone playing me better relax and get comfortable, i dont even CALL the play until it’s like 15 seconds left on the play clock. i like to manage the game, i love time of possession. make it easy on your defense. last week, i thought our offense kept scoring which is cool, but eat more time off the clock so the defense can rest! if you score in like 3 minutes, that’s no different than turning the ball over. having the ball for over 6 minutes in a drive is a good amt. of time IMO.

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by chrisd21 on Sep 30, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The players have to fit the scheme

if you have a slow offense with mediocre NFL receivers and a limited offensive line, why go early 90s run and shoot? I don’t think the Jaguars can go spread offense, simply because the receivers aren’t good enough, the line can’t pass block for the length of time necessary for the quarterback to throw, and you’d be wasting one of the best young running backs in the game.
btw the fullback died with Lorenzo Neal. That man should be in the HOF.

by Lancers46 on Sep 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

+100

I love me some Lorenzo Neal. That man is a baller. It’s a shame the state FB is in. Lorenzo Neal, IMO, should be a HOF’er.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

uhhhhhhhhh.....

he was reincarnated. now he’s known as Vonte “The Human Coke Machine” Leach.

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by chrisd21 on Sep 30, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

bring back Natrone Means!

Sean Jax Beach Bum

by cuffs007 on Sep 30, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Stacy Mack

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 1, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like a balanced attack with power-rushing combined with smart passing

but i rather have a like a 12-9 Slugfest than a 45-42 game. Close scores for me usually mean better games.

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

well written

may that monday night memory remain with all of us so that we can be vic and talk about the good ole days with our grandkids as they tell us that sounds boring and wonder why we watched football before we could make money off of fantasy

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by Surteal on Sep 30, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Call me old fashioned

I love Lombardi and Coughlin. I grew up loving the Steelers (long story) and Lions (dad’s team) so brusing players were a cornerstone. I’ve always felt it is more dominating to grind a team down than to simply outscore them. In Pop Warner we just run the fastest kid to the outside and let him score (C.J. anyone?).

Ironically, even with the spread in Gainesville, they’re still pounding the ball with Tebow.

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by Brian Fullford on Sep 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

what a moronic statement

But teams like the patriots and the COlts regularly succeed, even though they’re a bunch of pansies… I don’t even know how there fans can enjoy watching their teams wimp out for 60 minutes, and still win because they can throw the ball like madmen…

It’s sickening to watch, and I hope the defense always stays hard-nosed in Jacksonville, and I hope we always run the ball first… run, run, run….

hate to tell you but the colts offense is a pro style offense and OH HOW THE COLTS FANS HATE seeing them WIN 12 games+ 7 straight years…..JUST CANT STAND IT….make us be like the jags and nobody goes to their games because they cant stand watching their no wide recievers, terrible qb team with the dump pass offense. my god talk about wimpy! oh please let my team be like them so I cant see the games due to blackouts.

you do realize fans LIKE WINNING and FANS LIKE THEIR TEAM SCORING ALOT OF POINTS with an MVP and all pro qb with great recievers DONT YOU??

Im pretty sure YOUR FELLOW jaguar fans would love to see the jags SCORE A CRAP LOAD OF POINTS and know that you are never out of game. and Im pretty sure your fellow jag fans think what you said about fans NOT enjoying scoring alot of points. wimp out? wimp out???? yeah tell yourself that line of crap you are telling your fellow fans

and your run defense aint that good…hellllooooooooooo

oh and the wildcat…get serious. look at the dolphins. they are winless. this offense if a fad and will be gone in a couple of years. the superbowl winners have pro style qbs and if you want to BE LIKE THE dolphins than YOU BE happy with that offense

tim tebow …how that he got nailed…is how he will get nailed in the nfl on almost every play. I wouldnt even be surprised after that concussion and probably now many more to follow he never plays a down in the nfl.

by kinnickcolt on Sep 30, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Winning is all that matters

If it means getting a bad call every single game I’ll take the win. I personally can’t see how one can call the Colts pansies. I love watching Manning carve up the opposition. Winning is about doing what you’re best at.

Tebow getting “nailed” has nothing to do with the concussion. If he doesn’t hit his lineman’s knee he isn’t knocked out. More to follow? Lost points with the last paragraph.

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by Brian Fullford on Sep 30, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think his touhness would be a problem in the NFL

His mechanics, accuracy, and decision making are the points in question. I don’t think anyone can argue that the guy isn’t tough enough for the NFL. He’s a bruiser who can take hits and play through injury at a high level. I don’t care how tough you are no one can take a snap to the neck like that and come out unharmed.

But I don’t want to go down the Tebow road again. Everyone (myself included) has spent WAY too much time on it already. We’ll wait a year, look at the film, and resume the debate in the offseason. (We have nothing to talk about then anyway!).

Until then I declare the subject closed and I’m sure there will be plenty on this site who will second that motion.

We still have thirteen games left (hopefully more!) of the CURRENT Jags so lets focus on them. So study your Gator film, make some notes, and prepare for the debate next spring!

by rusty904 on Sep 30, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is...

Everything that can be said for Tebow has already been said. As a Gator fan, I’m rooting for him and I actually think he can have success in the NFL in some form. For now he is a Gator and he will remain a Gator until the season is over. Personally, I’m going to enjoy watching his last year of running people over in the Swamp.

Going into game 4 of the NFL season the draft is far far away so I think we should concern ourselves with the issues at hand, but that’s just me.

You guys can talk about Tebow becoming a Jag all year round I have already said all I can say in support of him so I need to keep my mouth shut until the spring.

by rusty904 on Oct 1, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya, man

I love Tebow in the Swamp. I also like to think about him here…I don’t doubt that he could develop as a NFL QB. But that’s me, most wouldn’t agree. C’est la vie. I like the topic. You know I love the Jags, right? I do. I like both. I want it all.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Oct 1, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheres the -1 button?!?

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by TheTealDeal on Sep 30, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

On his head.

Throw him out on his pointy head.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Oct 1, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

i think i may of said this before but, I felt like my IQ dropped a little bit for a moment immediantely after reading that kinnickcolt comment.

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tebow=More wins next year

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Tim “Superman” Tebow would be a perfect fit for this offense. Between him Garrard and MJD they will put up the points and will contend for an AFC South title.

by EricFeld on Sep 30, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

You'll love him if he wins for us.

Or you’ll be super negative. So either way, all is right in the world.

Vae Victis!

by viator on Oct 1, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest problem with what you said is

“Between him Garrard and MJD.”

I want the QB that the Jaguars draft to be the man. When the new guy takes over, Garrard either goes or sits on the bench. If Gene Smith deems Tebow as capable of being a good starting QB in the NFL, then I’ll trust that judgement, but he better be the QB. Not a wildcat option or a change up QB.

by Adam Stites on Oct 1, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jerry Jones

is a terrible human being. Charging hard working fans money to stand outside the stadium and watch game on tv screens so he can set a bogus attendance record. Hope cowboy games are blacked out soon when they can’t fill up that stupid ass stadium.

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