Game 4 Impressions - Troy Williamson and Mike Walker are real, Eben Britton needs work
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I think the Washington Redskins let us win. The Jaguars can't be this good, can they? It seemed like a lot of things worked well and the Jaguars got answers to a lot of questions. Let's start with the receivers...
Troy Williamson. A lot of short balls were thrown his way tonight and he bobbled a few but hung on to most of them. It was as if they wanted to see if his recent catching ability was real and it seemed to be. He looked every bit the reliable receiver again tonight. I think they were game planning with short passes to open up a long ball, but it never came. Troy Williamson is a starter.
Torry Holt. Used as a decoy again tonight and played quite a bit. They sent him deep and then had Troy come across the middle. Some very nice patterns from Dirk Koetter. Torry played his man all night until that once when he didn't stop and curl back, he slipped past. What a nice ball David placed in there. Well here, see for your self.
Mike Simms-Walker. OK, I am not being fair. Mike Simms-Walker was the star of the night. What a standout talent he was. Anyone, especially anyone named Collin (just kidding buddy!), who thinks this guy isn't worth keeping didn't see the game tonight. MSW was on fire from the get go and was not going to be denied anywhere near the goal line. You could tell he wanted it and had the ability to deliver. TH, TW and MSW are your starters.
Jarret Dillard. He got a lot of work tonight and the plays were passes along the line of scrimmage as if to see if he had RAC ability. Nothing developed for him except he had no trouble with his hands. The two point conversion was a JD play all the way and he was up for it. Based on the time he got, they are evaluating him against Mike Thomas.
Nate Hughes. Worked out as a return man tonight and didn't work out too well. He is confused on the run back. Go here, no wait, try that way, no wait maybe this way. On one punt if he had fallen down he would have gained more yards. Just didn't have it.
Mike Thomas. A bit of ability. Where Jarret had the route running, Mike has the power and speed. Nothing flashy tonight.
Running Backs... Clearly it was Chauncey Washington verses Rashad Jennings. Rashad Jennings can run with the ball but he doesn't move the pile. He can catch and run and looks best out of the backfield. I think I saw more from him even though Chauncey got the nod early and worked with the first team. I just though Jennings was tops tonight.
Rookies on the Offensive Line. Much as I like and root for Eben Britton, he got beat tonight and David paid for it. Here are some photos to show it.
David paid the price on this on as Reed Doughty came in on a safety blitz.
LB Chris Wilson beat Eben and David ran for his life.
Once the Redskins figured out the weakness, David got it again. The right side was wide open.
Well, that is enough about Eben. He is headed for the Hall of Fame, so we will give him a few moments to learn, He better learn fast, however, because behind David is Todd Bouman. If the Redskins let us win, Todd was paid to give it back to them. Wow, Jack may have faith in him, but I struggle to. Enough negative, there was too much positive, let's give out more game balls.
Game ball to Quentin Groves! Hey Twitter world, something to cheer. Quentin had a great special teams play and a great forced fumble. The thing I noticed was he wasn't getting pushed around tonight. He stood his man up and stayed in the play.
Game ball to Tyron Brackenridge. Tyron's hit on the kickoff forced the fumble. Fast down field and powerful in the play. Game ball and roster spot if I am judging.
Game ball to David Garrard. Still can't avoid a sack to save his life, but he got protection most of the night and did lay in some nice passing.
Game ball to Dirk Koetter. The mad genius continues to amaze me with the play book. Runs to the left looked good tonight in that some of them worked. Misdirection with receivers all over the place. It is beginning to look as sophisticated as the Indy offense.
OK, it is getting late and I will write more over the weekend, but one last mention to go out. Derek Cox. Derek Cox can diagnose a play faster than anyone on the field and get in the action while others are standing around.
Here is Derek peeling off his assignment as he diagnoses the play.
and sticks the guy while Brian Williams stands frozen. Nothing against Brian, he played well. I have more pictures of Derek with his head in the game.
OK one more picture.
That's Uche calling out the blocking assignments from the center position. I didn't see that one coming.
Overall Summary.
A solid effort. The offensive line will be the area of work in the first six games so we need patience. I just hope David can survive it. I saw a good team tonight. Very disciplined, low penalties, very much in control. They played their game. Of course Albert Haynesworth may have changed that, but I think they are ready to start the season. Indianapolis couldn't be a better starting place.
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Unable to watch game… Thanks for the great analysis. Very happy to see D Cox in pro form already. Let’s hope MJD is 100 percent opening day
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by Tony Ducks on Sep 4, 2009 12:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
A nice end to the preseason
I had to watch the game online because I’m out in California and they weren’t playing it on TV, but I like the team I see as a whole. They look sharp and aggressive. They look like they enjoy playing football, and to some of you that might not seem like a big deal, but after years of watching people like Matt Jones, Reggie Williams etc… it’s nice to have people who actually look like they want to be there.
The offensive line gave pretty good protection (and Tony Boselli reiterated this on the radio after). There was a definite coverage sack where Mike Walker was completely covered. I’m more worried about the run game and getting the o-line to open holes for that. Eugene and Eben will only get better as they gain experience.
If MSW can actually stay healthy, we really have a gem at the WR position.
Bye bye Joe-Z. You were good while we had you.
The defensive end position is still a question mark for me. Hayward, Harvey, and Groves are all ok, but none are dominant and one injury has us in trouble there. Wyche is garbage.
Let’s pray Maurice is ok for the Indy opener.
Looking forward to seeing what the final roster and practice squad look like…
by jimbrophoto on Sep 4, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on...
it was actually a joy to watch the youngsters playing. I can handle a loss, just make an effort is all I ask. It will be a good season : )
by Jaghomer on Sep 4, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said in the comments and thread that he's on the squad
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by silencecs on Sep 4, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No question this was exactly the game he needed, I am a big supporter of Mike, as long as he can stay healthy. I didn' think he owul dplay the whole preseason.
he’s a lock now… period. I am not anti-walker. I am anti constant injury and missing games
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by silencecs on Sep 4, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just playing with you!
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's been my issue with INA as well
he clearly has talent and WOW did it show last night. Agree – he’s a lock. I hope he can shake his propensity for injury (like Fred did).
by OGN on Sep 4, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with our WR corp looking better than the run game
do we start to see 3-wide mini spread offense sets?
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by Surteal on Sep 4, 2009 2:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are 3 wide WR sets in there and once all to one side.
A lot of receivers moving now that the O-Line is fixed.
The run game isn’t dead. It just has no life without MJD. I wonder how Fred would have fared in this offense. It is becoming a wonderful thing to see.
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three receivers to one side is called "trips" right or left depending on what side they are on
Just letting you know homey.
by Blair72 on Sep 4, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:) Thank you!
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
terry, you have an excellent picture of Britton and Pashos missing their guys
jagnation quote:
Pashos moved inside to guard and was knocked on his back on the first play. He rebounded and did a solid job overall. Britton was excellent at right tackle and will be the starter.
now was it just that one play? I was watching on the internet so my opinion is all but worthless
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by Surteal on Sep 4, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pashos actually picked the guy up in the next shot. I'll get more pictures out later.
Britton didn’t know where to go and the Safety ran behind him untouched.
I really can’t say “Britton was Excellent” given the pictures. He was in for most of the game and this series was the worst for David. The line did hold up well most of the night.
How many sacks can you give up and still be “excellent” ? Tra Thomas gave up one sack all year in 2006 I think. I am thinking Joe Thomas in Cleveland is “Excellent”. Eben Britton had rookie moments.
I am just a guy with a ticket and a camera. What do I know.
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im just some college kid
but hey, we are true fans and thats more than some can say
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by Surteal on Sep 4, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a great job recaping the game
I was satisfied with the whole team, exept at some plays to the O-line, and Bouman…
I have no problem with “Viking Warrior” looking Todd, but boy he is just a 40+ Vinny Testaverde… I hope the Jags can pick up someone…
What’s your take on Brian Williams, and Tony Pashos Terry?
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 4, 2009 3:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't
been that hard on Pashos, and from the sounds of it, he played well at guard. I would be funny to see 3 RT’s all playing on the line at the same time, assuming Vince wasn’t playing.(Britton, Pashos, Mo)
B Will on the other hand…. I’d still cut him. You can replace him with someone cheaper, younger, that has better upside, and with more special teams ability.
by Ewdtrey on Sep 4, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pashos did play well at guard
I would not cut him yet. The line is not solid and he has some skills.
Guard may be his position.
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that way too.
Plus if something happen to Britton he is still represent some value there.
Do anyone think we can trade players for picks, or get a better backup QB than Todd Bouman?
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 4, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tweet from Michael C Wright
I’m told Jags told Joe Zelenka before the game he would be cut.
It is official. I hope you staying around Joey Z
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 4, 2009 5:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rashad Jennings is a Beast!!
There was one play in the 3rd where he just plowed through a couple of guys for a big gain & in the end 2 Redskins where laying on the ground in his wake needing a little help off the field. He was a lot more shifty than Washington, which looked like he’d run into a pile most times. Had some great cuts in his running.
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by JagsNguyen on Sep 4, 2009 7:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Before everyone declares us the favorite to win the Super Bowl
It’s clear the Redskins just wanted to get the Preseason over with while the Jaguars actually cared about the outcome.
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Sep 4, 2009 7:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was clear. It wasn't a real fight, but more of a scrimmage for them.
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were only missing three to start
CB Carlos Rogers
LB London Flethcher (a tackling machin if youre into fantasy)
DT Albert Haynesworth
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by Surteal on Sep 4, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are some
major play makers though.
by Ewdtrey on Sep 4, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Jags!
Time to eat some horse.
Vae Victis!
by viator on Sep 4, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hahha.... funny, V.
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by silencecs on Sep 4, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Stuff…
I am going to stick up for Britton a little… Two of those plays were stunts; and it’s the GUARDS job to call that out… Especially when that guard is a veteran…(Trust me, Tony wanted to see Britton do bad) Alot of it come naturally wityh continuity…
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 4, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love when you comment
always knowledgable stuff. Thank you!
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the great article! It keeps me busy!
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 4, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to point that out
I’m not sure he wanted Britton to do bad. Keep in mind that even though Pashos is a vet, he’s only been a guard for all of one week. He needs to call that out, as his versatility may be the only thing keeping him on the team right now.
by Ewdtrey on Sep 4, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see any way
they don’t keep 6 WR’s based on comments I’ve read from Del Rio etc…
Things like "Mike Thomas, Mike (Sims-)Walker, both of those guys made plays tonight. It was going to be a tough decision. I think they made it easy," Del Rio said.
Holt, Williamson, Sims-Walker, Hughes, Thomas, Dillard
And though he didn’t play last night, there has been plenty of praise for Nate Hughes in the past.
by pksiv on Sep 4, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im kinda tired of hearing there ones against our twos. They had there first team o against our first team o. We had plenty of rookies and subs playing with the first team. And had frist and second quarter leads which is all i look at anyway
by cty on Sep 4, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right..
on offense they had their #1’s in there at the beginning.
by Jaggernaut on Sep 4, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with alomst everything ...
,,, except your comments about Williamson. He bobbled one pass and flat out dropped two others that were delivered perfectly. Just hope it’s not the return of old habits. Hope we can keep both Chauncey and Jennings, think we’re going to need them.
by ruffdaddy on Sep 4, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we will
I actually think Greg Jones might be someone on the bubble… Not that I want him to be, but I think he may be.
Montell Owens is a beast on Special teams and also plays full back… And with Chauney and Jennings showings signs they can spell MJD, Greg may have lost his “other” position to the youth movement.
by pksiv on Sep 4, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way Greg Jones is on the bubble..
he may be the best blocking fullback in the league. He may not get many carries but he will be starting.
by Jaggernaut on Sep 4, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think when the Jaguars made him the highest paid fullback in the NFL last year
that would answer the question of his worth to the team.
I will be curious to see the running backs in this new roster.
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was working the camera pretty hard and didn't catch everything
but my impressions were that Troy is still working on catching the ball, but he did make an adjustment to pull in one pass. That was my first clue he is working on becoming the good hands guy. I got a real feeling of security with him.
You might have caught different moments.
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a nice pass
he hauled in that was high and behind him. I was impressed.
by Ewdtrey on Sep 4, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 wrs?
i guess we’ll have to go with holt, williamson, sims-walker, dillard, thomas, hughes. i don’t see how they could cut one of them. it’ll be interesting to see which position they cut an extra from then. maybe lb because groves could play there in a pinch.
by abeaugh on Sep 4, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or TE
They could always use Owens as an extra blocking back.
by pksiv on Sep 4, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am thinking Tight Ends also.
Carry two tight ends and 6 receivers. Dirk Koetter’s mad genius plans need receivers.
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I worry about… I almost think we have 7 WR’s worth making it… But, that’s to many to keep…
T, who are your 6 WR’s?
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 4, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I'm not T but...
I’m thinking Underwood is the odd man out. He has the best chance to clear wavers and make it to the PS.
If not him, or if they only keep 5, it’s Nate Hughes.
by pksiv on Sep 4, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a tough call all around… Tiquan has alot of speed; I personally think he will be odd man out, However, I don’t think he’ll clear waivers…
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 4, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Receivers to keep
Easy three – Torry, Troy and MSW
Gene draft selections – Thomas and Dillard (Geen wants to see his babies grow up and I think they have playmaker capabilities)
One left – Underwood or Hughes. Question is which skill set do you value? Hughes got worked out as a return guy and didn’t cut it. I think that hurt his chances. But he did show over the middle capabilities. Underwood has the speed but might be small like Brousard was. It is a coin flip, I am thinking Underwood stays and Hughes to PS?
he question to me is did Wilford earn a spot?
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Underwood is an outstanding gunner
Hughes isn’t really a force in special teams coverage. For a sixth WR, that might make all the difference.
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by Player To Be Named Later on Sep 4, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFLN
The game’s being broadcast on NFL network tonight at 8, I think. Sometime around there anyway. That’ll be my first glimpse. I tried to listen to it on my Sirius last night, but I have to sit in the truck for that… too much to do to sit in the truck for 3 hours…
by Pyrofish on Sep 4, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saturday @ 8:30pm
I set my DVR when I got home & I was let down knowing that I’d have to wait until Saturday night…
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by JagsNguyen on Sep 4, 2009 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here I was all happy, thinking I’d get to watch tonight….
by Pyrofish on Sep 4, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sat in my truck and listened to it… lol
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could have bought a ticket?
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by Tkopa on Sep 4, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Payday was today, also Wife Prego… lol
by floridafalcons#63 on Sep 4, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont we have to keep 3 TE's until Miller can play week 2 or 3 or so
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by Surteal on Sep 4, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
could keep Wilford till then
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 4, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the possibility is that we may keep 4 until Miller is healthy. I doubt we go into a game with only 2 healthy TE’s. In comparison to alot of other teams we often use 3 at one time.
by Ewdtrey on Sep 4, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so it would be normal for us to have 3
but keep 4 at first due to Miller being on crutches
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by Surteal on Sep 4, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad we're not GMs
Its a bit of a ball buster to do cuts of players you like.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 4, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MJJ?
Any word on Jones-Drew’s MRI? I’m a Jags fan in the DC area, so I saw the game on TV. The hit was totally legit – I’ve watched it about 10 times in frame-by-frame slo-mo. MJJ’s such a bowling ball with monstrous thighs, his legs are about the largest thing to go after on an open-field tackle. Go after Mo-Jo high, and he’ll shed you and keep on truckin’. Hope he’s okay, especially with the road game in Indy coming up.
by JagInVA on Sep 5, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
came back negative
chec the fanshots
lower righ side of the page
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