Jaguars Secondary: Grading Derek Cox
The Jaguars have some new faces in the secondary this year, and they'll be tested early and often by Peyton Manning. After getting over my initial disappointment at the release of my favorite Jaguar, I decided to play scout (I know what to look for in a just about every position except TE, QB, SS, because their positions are so scheme based you can't always tell if the player executed his role propely). I re-watched the game focusing solely on Derek Cox and how he plays the position.
Proven and versatile (albeit overpaid) RCB Brian Williams was given his walking papers, and at first you may think he'll be sorely missed, especailly early in the season. Brian's veteran savvy is always helpful against a brilliant defensive manipulator like Peyton Manning. I am typically very realistic in my expectations, as many of you know. I think this is a rebuilding year without question.
However, I am telling you all right now, based on his sole preseason performance (in which he started at RCB), against Washington's above average receiving corp. Derek Cox is already better than Brian Williams from an athletic perspective. HIs body type, which can be a worry for some rookies, is already NFL ready. Now, on to my evaluation of what I saw after rewatching the game
Positives:
Derek has better recovery speed than anyone else on the defense (This is a 6'1" man who ran a 4.3 at his pro-day) Even Mathis or Nelson can't match his speed, and don't you dare argue with me. Literally, I watched on one play where he gave the WR maybe 7 yards of cushion, then back peddled at the start of the cadence to close to 10 yards, only to explode back toward the WR right before the snap, re-routing him without contact and allowing himself to blanket the WR the entire play.This type of maneuver wasn't limited to this one instance, but this was the most impressive explosive moves I've seen, and is the type of play that could lead to a INT (like Mathis loves to do), or confusion on the QB's part leading to a coverage sack.
Derek Cox has very fluid hips, allowing him to maximize his speed. Just because a player can run 40 yards really fast, doesn't mean he has fluid hips to change direction at fast speeds and get turned with the WR to prevent the play. That was something Brian struggled with occasionally (Remember all the pass interference penalties for "face-guarding" by B-Dub, that's a result of stiff hips), and Cox seems to be a big improvement in that area.
Derek Cox is the most physical corner on the team, and is a better tackler than any DB, sans Considine. There was a 3rd and 8 play where Washington completed a pass 4 yards short of the sticks, and the player had a good 2 yards to build up steam, he collided with the DB, who I thought was B-Dub delivering one of his patented hits, and the player got completely knocked silly... Once I saw the replay, I was pleasently surprised to see it wasn't Brian, it was Derek, making a bone shattering hit. THIS WAS THE PLAY WHEN IT FINALLY HIT ME... BRIAN WASN'T GOING TO BE A JAGUAR ANYMORE...
Derek Cox isn't afraid to play the run, and he was shedding WR blocks left and right during the game, he's powerful and it shows. He'll be an asset in the run game, which as everyone knows, is a prerequisite to being a Jaguar.
Negatives:
Sometimes he overestimates his recovery speed, I fear. I saw one play where he must've been 12 yards back, now granted, it was a third and long situation, but if his man catches the pass, he better make that tackle. I also caught him watching the QB's eyes quite a few times, which allowed his man to get behind him, he got beat even though the ball didn't go to his man. Peyton will play games with his eyes and if Derek isn't careful, he's going to get severly schooled opening day. I mean badly. You can take risks like that in a Cover-Two defense, but not against Peyton, he's the best at what he does.
Derek Cox has another problem that was painfully evident watching the Redskins game. He isn't mentally prepared. He was lost time and time again (3 or 4 times I counted, I think) where he was checking with the MLB or Safety as to the coverage he was supposed to play. If Peyton sees that, he'll hike it early and beat you for a quick 7-8 yards. I can't stress enough how much of a test this game will be for our new and improved RCB. Don't crucify him if he has a bad game... He almost assuredly will, but I can promise you this, he's the future and will surpass B-Dub's ability by week 4-6. This kid is a find.
-Collin Streetman
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I say we all vote Peyton is Scum and then we'll link to the Stampede Blue site...
Nothing like a little friendly prodding to open the season against perhaps the only man more ruthless than our own GM, Bill Polian… I mean who bithces about a mascot… lol
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by silencecs on Sep 9, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its like prodding a hornets nest
Colt fans swarm, especially when it comes to the Queen Bee (Manning)
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I not recommend it Collin
because if we lose on Sundays they will come here and throw us mud all week long for that…
By the way, nice article. I looking forward to see Derek (and all the new players) to perform
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 9, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all feel good when we are able to perform well at game time.
by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm okay with that
and I agree what Vic just said. The pressure is on the Colts on Sunday, we have almost nothing to lose.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 9, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we throw mud at them if we win
for old times sake
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you need another option in your poll
I would vote – he’ll show well but have his rookie moments. He’ll probably get torched a couple of times but I expect a good game.
I like your analysis. Cox may be the most scrutinized player by members of this site this year due to the 2nd rounder given up for him.
by OGN on Sep 9, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He could the prime example of a
small school, under the radar guy who could of been a 1st rounder if he had gone to (insert big Football School). I personally liked the move then and now. I believe Gene knows what he’s doing for the most part.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could the prime example of a
small school, under the radar guy who could of been a 1st rounder if he had gone to (insert big Football School). I personally liked the move then and now. I believe Gene knows what he’s doing for the most part.
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
As a guy who played cornerback for several years, I really believe it’s easier to have a little cushion between you and the receiver than to play up on him and then get torched. It’s important for corners to play close up and jam the receivers on occasion, but it’s easier to close when you’ve got 3- 5 yards of cushion. I think he’ll be solid. Just needs more experience. Very solid since it was his first showing of his career in the NFL.
by Blair72 on Sep 9, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very well done sir
If anyone doesn’t think Cox is going to be burned by Peyton at least once, they have their Teal and Black glasses on too tight. However, better to take our lumps now and have a great corner sooner rather than later
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by FSBlueApocalypse on Sep 9, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Harrison isn't there anymore
He would be the Torry Holt of the Colts, Gonzalez i don;t think will burn Derek but maybe make some plays of him
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Harrison isn't there anymore
He would be the Torry Holt of the Colts, Gonzalez i don;t think will burn Derek but maybe make some plays of him
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 9, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like b-dub never get burned by Peyton and the colts. No doubt in my mind loosing him was the right choice especially considering his performance as of late.
by rusty904 on Sep 9, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collin - Some things I noticed
Derek can diagnose a play and recover fast enough to be in the play. He doesn’t follow a receiver out deep and then figure he is out of it. He follows the action and peels off coverage to make a hit.
This is different than Rasheen. Mathis will sometimes avoid getting into the play if he thinks it is covered by others. Derek will engage. Maybe youth over experience but I think there is a big difference between the two. Deek will have us forget Rasheen in time. IMO.
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by Tkopa on Sep 9, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whew.... those are big words... Rashean is a different kind of freak... A TRUE Shutdown corner...
Just put him on whoever the other team’s number one is, and then forget about him…
I’m not sure Derek is ever going to be that, but he is for sure a much more physical player than rashean.
Mathis is king though. He doesn’t complain about his small salary (25 mil 5 year) compared to other top flight DB’s, and he’s just flat out amazing…
I do love DECO though
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by silencecs on Sep 10, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cox is the man he will be a stud for us sooner then you think.
His only bad games will be arizona and the 1st colts game.
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by jagsfan4life on Sep 9, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Prisco predicted Cox to be the Defensive ROY
I still hate Prisco though
by TheHammerOfSpicer on Sep 10, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some More Things...
Derek Cox has very fluid hips, allowing him to maximize his speed. Just because a player can run 40 yards really fast, doesn’t mean he has fluid hips to change direction at fast speeds and get turned with the WR to prevent the play. That was something Brian struggled with occasionally (Remember all the pass interference penalties for “face-guarding” by B-Dub, that’s a result of stiff hips)
Stiff hips aren’t a result of “face-guarding”. Once you have turned and are running with a receiver, your hips are out of the equation. The receiver has fully committed to his route, so as a result you have fully committed to covering him. “Face-guarding” is just a matter of not turning your head and at least acting like you’re playing the ball.
Sometimes he overestimates his recovery speed, I fear. I saw one play where he must’ve been 12 yards back, now granted, it was a third and long situation, but if his man catches the pass, he better make that tackle.
Recovery speed refers to pass coverage. Say you get your hips turned when a receiver runs a whip out. You turn your hips in, but you still have enough “recovery speed” and explosiveness to get back and make a play on the ball, which at the NFL level has been thrown by now.
As a corner not trying to get beat deep, thats the ideal thing to do, just make the tackle. No coach at any level is going to get pissed at you for just allowing the short stuff and making the tackle.
. I also caught him watching the QB’s eyes quite a few times, which allowed his man to get behind him
What coverage was he playing on these said plays. If it was a Cover two or three, you do watch the quarterbacks eyes… you use your side vision to see the receiver, your main focus is flowing with the quarterback. There are even some man cases you can still watch eyes. If you are playing two man under, man across the board with a cover two shell formed by the safeties, you can take some risks and go for the break-up/interception.
He isn’t mentally prepared.
Not knowing the coverage a few times isn’t a sign of being mentally unprepared in my opinion. If he broke down in frustration the few times he was beat, yeah, that could be looked at as a sign of being not “NFL level mature”(whatever the hell that means).
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by Bestjagfan on Sep 10, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well well well... where to begin... I'll go quote by quote so there is no confusion.
First off, please don’t play games with semantics or jargon. It just looks silly….
You are wrong to say that having stiff hips doesn’t play a role in face guarding…. What part of your body do you think turns around when you are running with a guy… your hips silly… if you aren’t fluid, it will lead to more PI calls and face guarding.
As far as recovery speed… like I said, don’t play word games… I should’ve said he overestimates his speed. Period.
Yeah, you’re right about watching the QB’s eyes depending on the coverage, but he was frozen and his man beat him by the time he tried to start moving with him. So, i don’t care what scheme you’re playing.. he blew it on that play….
AND FINALLY, to refute every point you’ve made….
Not knowing the play is a sign of being mentally unprepared! lol What else would you call it… really?
How could you possibly spin it any other way? It can’t be done. He’s a rookie who is going to have rookie moments, but I think I gave a fair overview of the player… sorry that the few negatives I listed got you in such a ruffle… I just call it like I see it.
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by silencecs on Sep 10, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was always told not to read the quarterback's eyes
So I agree with you. However, I think every defensive back tries to read the quarterbacks eyes. It’s just human nature to catch a glimpse at where the quarterback is looking.
by Blair72 on Sep 10, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its what poker players do
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 10, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Confusion doesn't seem to be my problem
I’ll go quote by quote again as well…
Stiff hips can get you burnt, but if you are close enough to a guy to face-guard him, you haven’t been beat. Face-guarding is an easily avoidable penalty, all you have to do is turn your head enough to convince the official you are playing the ball.
Okay, you meant to say speed. You said Mathis and Nelson can’t match his speed. If his speed is great, why wouldn’t he use it to his advantage? Especially as a rookie, sometimes you have to get by on athleticism alone, such as Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie did last season with the Cardinals.
I understand he blew the play, got lulled to sleep, whatever. But you were calling him down on reading the quarterbacks eyes… thats what you do in a cover 2 scheme. I asked you what coverage it was, but obviously you were so proud of your counter to my post that you skimmed right over it, so I’m assuming it was the base cover 2.
Veteran players forget playcalls sometimes. By mentally prepared I thought you meant maturity level. Like I said, if he had thrown a fit and had a mental break down on the sideline a la Vince Young, that would be a maturity issue. If he had been caught with weed in his car and a blood alcohol level way above the legal limit, then that would be a maturity issue. So far, he hasn’t done anything of the sort.
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by Bestjagfan on Sep 10, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think its fair....
saying the guy was mentally unprepared in his first ever NFL game.
by OneSweetWorld on Sep 10, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another article noted by
Paul Kuharsky. That’s always gives extra credits.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Sep 10, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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