An Era of Mediocrity: Del Rio, Garrard, Both or Neither?
by SoCalStites on Jan 5, 2010 1:58 PM EST
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Jack Del Rio was hired in 2003 and has since posted an extremely average .509 winning percentage. David Garrard has been the starting QB for Del Rio during the majority of his tenure and has posted a similar extremely average .521 winning percentage as a starter. The combo have only one playoff victory during their time with the Jaguars, which is simply not acceptable for the Weavers and the fans.
Finding who's at fault is a little more difficult than looking at stats because they have little experience apart from one another and have played with teams that might be "just average." So let's take a look at the pros and cons of David Garrard and Jack Del Rio. Then, I'll turn it over to the Big Cat Country jury.
Jack Del Rio
Reasons to support:
Shack Harris was hired in 2003 and marred the last 7 seasons for Jack Del Rio with bad draft pick after bad draft pick. Del Rio was never given a shot to succeed with draft busts such as Byron Leftwich, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Reggie Nelson and Khalif Barnes anchoring the core of his teams.
David Garrard and Byron Leftwich are the only two quarterbacks of Del Rio's tenure and neither were able to win the big games and win down the stretch. The pitfalls of Garrard in particular have made Del Rio look bad and he cannot and should not be judged as a coach that can't win big games, when it is his quarterbacks that have let him down. Give him a QB that wins big games and then we'll see how good of a coach he really is.
Reasons to fire him:
Jack Del Rio was as much a part of the problem as Shack Harris was. It wasn't until the decision by Wayne Weaver to relieve Jack of his personnel evaluation duties that Gene Smith finally set the boat right.
Del Rio has been playing the blame game for his entire tenure, making assistant coach after assistant coach the scapegoats for his deficiencies. Coordinators Bill Musgrave, Carl Smith and Gregg Williams were all fired by Del Rio along with plenty of lower level coaches. Who was the one mainstay during these times? Mr. Del Rio.
Jack has supported David Garrard from the beginning. If Garrard is to blame, then surely Jack should know as a coach that he should pull him. He has stood by and watched mediocrity flourish in front of him without intervention.
Defensive coach? This defense is terrible! If he's not helping the defense, what is he helping?
My verdict:
Jack Del Rio is obviously not a personnel evaluator, but a coach. Shack Harris made the final decisions on the poor draft picks so he is the one who must be held ultimately responsible for poor drafting. After all if Jack was making draft decisions, Brady Quinn would be a Jaguar rather than Reggie Nelson. Del Rio has improved as a head coach during his time here and should be praised for his ability to lead his 2009 team to a mark close to .500. The head coach of a team should be judged on his ability to get their team to perform to the best of their ability. Does anybody really think these 2009 Jaguars were anything better than .500? Jack Del Rio deserves the opportunity to be judged with a QB other than David Garrard at the helm of his team.
David Garrard
Reasons to support:
David has not been given a situation with which he can succeed during his time with the Jaguars. It wasn't until 2009 that he finally got even remotely adequate receivers, but a pair of rookie tackles made it tough for him to ever have time. When it comes to protection, David has received none over the last two years and has been hit more than any quarterback in the league as a consequence. Ask any QB in the league to go in that situation and succeed. It simply can't be done.
He has been cited as inconsistent yet he is 2nd all time in interceptions thrown per pass attempts. Only 2% of the passes attempted in his career have been intercepted. An inconsistent quarterback would likely be throwing more interceptions than that.
His clutch ability has been questioned yet David was the one to lead two consecutive game winning drives in the month of November.
He has the arm and the ability to make all the throws, along with the legs to make plays happen when things breakdown. Give him time and he can be a Pro Bowl level QB as we saw in 2007.
Reasons to move on without him:
The amount of hits David Garrard has taken over the last two years is due to his inability to avoid the pass rush. Many times David has stepped into the rush rather than make the step that avoids the rush. His pocket presence is lackluster.
Even when David is given time, it is his inconsistent passing that has cost the Jaguars. He has overthrown open receivers and made poor decisions in too many clutch moments. Ultimately, he is the one on the field who can control whether this team wins or not and he has failed to do so during his time as a starter.
No one is doubting that his arm and athleticism are top notch, just his ability to use them at top notch has been nothing less than inconsistent. The 2009 4 game collapse directly paralleled the 2006 collapse and proved just as costly.
His knack for avoiding interceptions would be much more impressive if he had a knack for throwing touchdowns. For the second consecutive year David Garrard finished with 15 touchdown passes and double digit interceptions. His interception ratio ranking may be very high, but his touchdown ratio is tied for 185th all time. That's behind J.P. Losman, Kyle Orton, Byron Leftwich and Derek Anderson.
As for the game winning drives, that too is just another testament to his inconsistencies. One game he'll lead his team down the field for a score, the next he'll be running to the middle of the field to slide for 3 more yards, rather than step out of bounds and stop the clock.
My verdict:
David Garrard's inconsistencies have gone on too long in Jacksonville and a young replacement needs to be found as soon as possible. Garrard should stay around another year and teach a new QB the position before he leaves, but if the Jaguars do not find a young QB soon they are only delaying the rebuilding process. If a QB is drafted in the first round of the draft, Garrard is all but gone from the franchise barring a contract restructuring and an agreement to step into a backup role.
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I’m appalled at the tone of this blog. Granted, I am a relatively new poster and all (joined sometime in early 2009), but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Jaguars problem is not Garrard (look at how good he is when given adequate protection) nor is it Del Rio.
The Jaguars’ problems are simple: they drafted the wrong guys, and signed the wrong guys via free agency.
Del Rio has done a remarkable job, considering the talent that he has been given. I mean, drafting a WR with your 1st round pick 4 years in a row is just about as stupid of a move as a team can make. The fact that this team has actually been competitive during the recent idiotc personnel moves is a testament to just how good Del Rio really is, not that he should be fired!
The fact that he took something like 18 rookies and first year players (I can’t remember the exact number off the top of my head), COUNTING on no fewer than 5 of them in KEY roles, and made this team a playoff contender going into the last game of the season should be enough to prove this to anyone.
But, if you guys are expecting a Super Bowl ring every year, and Tom Brady/Peyton Manning like numbers from the QB positon, then none of this will satisfy you.
The fact of the matter is, Tom Bradys and Peyton Mannings don’t come around very often (that’s why there are only 1 of each of them in the league right now). Criticizing Garrard for not being spectacular and leading a team full of first time starters, rookies and rehab projects to the promised land is just immature and screams lack of true knowledge of the game of football.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
EDIT: I guess I should have read the whole article first…I didn’t realize there was more after the “jump” and I went straight to the comments section. lol
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a “Jump to Conclusions” mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor… and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.
by jlana24 on Jan 5, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh… hard to go wrong with an “Office Space” blurb
Sean Jax Beach Bum
by cuffs007 on Jan 5, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JDR has had more than enough time to rebuild this team.
Sure the talent pool hasn’t been spectacular but he had enough talent to do something. Let’s not act like we just had piss poor guys. Even “busts” like Matt Jones and Reggie Williams could have been salvaged. Matt Jones seemed to turn around in 08 even though he had the coke problem. And why wasn’t Reggie ever placed at TE? I though he could have made a great position switch. Anyway JDR has had enough time. If he can’t make the playoffs in 2010 then he needs to go.
I have been a loyal supporter of Garrard but clearly he has regressed. Even with adequate protection I’ve seen him fail to hit easy targets and completely over throw wide open ones. He also seems to have poor pocket presence. Many times he takes an unnecessary sack when all he had to do is throw the ball away. If he wants to be the athletic QB we all know he has the potential to be then maybe he should study film on guys like McNabb and Rodgers. His mechanics have gotten progressively worst and he seems to almost sack himself.
We need legit competition at the position.
by Slvrgun on Jan 5, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You seriously think Matt Jones or Reggie Williams could be salvaged?
The mere fact that no other team has touched either of those players clearly shows that 31 other front offices decided those two players were worthless. The fact that Matt Jones ever seemed like a serviceable possession receiver or that Reggie Williams somehow caught double-digit touchdowns once is a testament to the desperate efforts of the coaching staff to make really awful lemonade out of rottens lemons, combined with there being literally no one else of quality to throw to.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 5, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Reggie Williams was way overdrafted.
He should have never went that high. But the guy could block well and had okay speed. I thought he could have made the transition to TE but the coaches were hell bent on keeping him at WR, something he was never really good at. Miami at least tried with Wilford.
Matt Jones is a different story. He was developmental guy and his first season was decent (432 yds, 12 avg, 5 TDs), and his second season was pretty good ( 643 yds, 15.3 avg, 4TDs), we all know 2007 was not a good year for him, and 2008 he has (761 yds, 11.1 avg, 2 TDs). Sure he was nowhere need as elite as we all wanted him but he was decent. He wasn’t a bad lemon.
by Slvrgun on Jan 5, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why he did so well for the team that picked him up….oh, wait…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How can someone pick him up in Jail?
You Clown.
by Slvrgun on Jan 5, 2010 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And even if he is out he is still suspended from the league.
by Slvrgun on Jan 5, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4207106
Don’t let facts get in the way…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You must be new to Jacksonville.
Everyone has seen that article. What is your point?
by Slvrgun on Jan 5, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. He isn’t in jail.
2. He isn’t suspended
3. You claimed the opposite of both #1 and 2
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Corrected.
I still don’t think he was terrible.
by Slvrgun on Jan 5, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like his agent said.
Asked about the perception that Jones has been “a bust,” Butz countered, "Well, he caught 65 passes in 12 games last year for the Jaguars and he was their No. 1 receiver. If he wasn’t hurt one game and didn’t have the three-game suspension, he may have caught 80 to 90 balls.
“In his first two years, he was the third most productive receiver of his rookie class, despite some musical chairs at quarterback. So that ‘bust’ tag isn’t fair, at all.”
Maybe he’ll get picked up in 2010. I’d like to see him and Reggie get it together. I am all for redemption.
by Slvrgun on Jan 5, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, apparently you and his agent seem to be the only ones who think that. Think about how many scouts and people are ot there trying to find the best receivers for their teams, and not one of them even asked Matt Jones to be on their practice squad.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Words like "overdrafted" and "bust" and all that don't matter once you've been cut by the team that drafted you.
No one would be overdrafting Reggie Williams at this point. They would simply be taking a flyer on a player and seeing if he could make the position switch. The fact that 32 teams have said “no thanks” means, by definition, that he can’t be salvaged.
That same principle applies to Matt Jones. Guys like Jimmy Smith or Troy Williamson or Cedric Benson all have been labeled busts, but teams were still willing to take a chance. No one has shown any interest in taking a similar chance with Matt Jones. Maybe he got a bit of a raw deal, maybe not….but again, I’d say the Jaguars have been plenty vindicated by the fact that no other team has touched him.
I do wish that Reggie and Matt could somehow get good and be successful. I also like redemption stories. But I just don’t see it happening. They’re just not good enough. And therefore – getting back to my original point – it would be inaccurate to say that Jack Del Rio has had enough talent to succeed (though he certainly did succeed at times, like the 12-4 season or the playoff victory in Pittsburgh).
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 5, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure the talent pool hasn’t been spectacular but he had enough talent to do something.
You mean like win 12 games twice, have a .500+ record and beat the Steelers in the playoffs? That’s something, given the lack of true talent or depth on the roster.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Garrard
For every game that you can directly blame him for a loss, you can also credit him with directly being responsible for a win.
David can’t win games by himself. He needs a supporting cast. Up until this year, he did not have one, and even during this miserable stretch to end the season, his best target, Mike Sims-Walker has all but disappeared.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by DownTownJax on Jan 5, 2010 2:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness
MSW was still getting open. You can’t blame him if the play call doesn’t go to him or Garrard can’t look downfield in time. He performed well.
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by DownTownJax on Jan 5, 2010 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That was my point – the playcalling.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Missed reads
Regardless of the play, David was not seeing the open receiver.
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by DownTownJax on Jan 5, 2010 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Playcalling doesn't magically make a ball go to a Wr's hands
Its the Quarterback that ultimate can make a pass play, work.
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 5, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it isn’t just that. It was the playcalling. How many times did we complain about the lack of touches for MJD? The play-calling needs to be addressed.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
players not plays
Shack Harris is the reason this franchise is stuck in mediocrity. Don’t blame Del Rio. Gene Smith has it headed in the right direction but Garrard is regressing so Gene’s efforts won’t be realized until a qb is found.
by jagsrealist on Jan 5, 2010 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
even with a pro bowl rb you can only run op the middle so many times
by jlana24 on Jan 5, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can do whatever you want with a pro bowl RB if he has pro bowl linemen blocking for him.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
until defenses start scheming for it and bring 8 in the box
by jlana24 on Jan 5, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
just being difficult… i agree that obviously “players not plays” makes sense, but i would say it’s closer to a 50-50 split…
if you’ve read “the blind side”, bill walsh designed the west coast offense around a bad OL and weak-armed QB’s and drastically improved everyone’s production by throwing quick passes…koetter is a joke and by the end of the year i was calling out plays before they happened and would hit 40-50% of the time…how do you think d-coordinators do after a weeks worth of preparation?? if your OL can’t block for more than 2 sec, then stop calling plays that take 4 sec to develop! and how about running off tackle once in a while?? this stuff isn’t rocket science
again, obviously the talent isn’t there yet, and i have faith it will be, but how about a little creativity (and i don’t mean trick plays or the wildcat) until it gets there??
by jlana24 on Jan 5, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Against Cleveland
We had 10 guys up front waiting for the run at times. Didn’t work against them.
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by DownTownJax on Jan 5, 2010 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting article and topic
I think Del rio and Garrard are tied together in this organization. I think this upcoming season is a make or break year for both of them. I support botth of them; but I agree-we need soon a new QB. From the 1st round in 2011!“Playoffs or else” is that bar. I think he fails David goes with him. And looking to our schedule-I think that will be (RIGHT NOW) the most likely case.
JAck is raised the bar yesterday for himself
I still have the trust (and concerns) for both of them. But I think this is the year. They must prove their worth!
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jan 5, 2010 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Z
They are definitely either going to rise up or fall together. I will give credit to Jack for the way he prepared this team this season but I think everyone on here can agree that the play calling and the obvious lack of interest that some of the players showed at times falls on the coach. As for Garrard, well Im on the fence because he did a great job in 07 when he had the great run game going and the awesome line but the last two years have been really hard on him. 15 tds is a horrible mark for any starter who played in all 16 games. I dont know if it was the play calling or what but that is a huge problem I cant get over. His replacement must be found soon. He will the starter next season but after that I dont know. Jack had better hope for a playoff berth next season or he can start packing too. Owners want to be in the playoffs and he hasnt been there nearly enough.
by JagSoldier on Jan 5, 2010 4:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm willing to bet
that of QB’s that played 15 games, Garrard throws than any other QB. The only time he even gets a chance to throw is on 3rd or 4th down. A QB’s are not going to be pretty being put in that position.
Lets put it this way, we are one of the worst teams on third down, usually a down considered a QB down. Where the QB is supposed to be most effective. If that’s the case that’s a bad reflection of Garrard. But the bigger story shows the true picture. We are not succeeding on 1st and second down because we are getting stuck in third and long too often. No QB can last behind an OL that is a sieve and throwing in situation where the opposing defense knows just to pin their ears back.
Another stat, we are actually one of the best in the league at 3rd and 10+. That’s a true testament to Garrard’s effectiveness, because then he’s on a level playing field statistically. Most other QB’s will have the benefit of being in better situations on third down.
And we all know how important 3rd down is in the league, especially for a defensively challenged team, and we lost that down when we didn’t win on 1st and 2nd.
by Ewdtrey on Jan 5, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
throws less in the redzone* than anyother QB
by Ewdtrey on Jan 5, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking that…is having a QB with 15TDs a problem when your RB leads the league in TDs?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adrian Peterson had 3 TDs more than MJD
Favre threw 33 TDs and 7 Interceptions
by SoCalStites on Jan 5, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
......yeah, but the Vikings have been good for a while.
Just needed to replace their inconsistent quarterback Tarvaris Jac……..oh, I see your point. Haha.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Jan 5, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They also have 8 Pro-Bowlers, one of which is a Guard and a sure-fire Hall of Fame QB. Like I said before, those guys aren’t just laying around everywhere for a team to pick up.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After a second look, they have a Pro Bowl Tackle too, meaning that 40% of their O-line is rated as tops in the league. Both of those guys are PB starters too, btw. That makes a huge difference.
When a team has 2 probowl linemen, a pro bowl rb and a pro bowl wr, odds are that the QB is going to have a good season.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're using the Pro Bowl as a measuring stick
That’s a very tough comparison for the Jaguars.
by SoCalStites on Jan 5, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is kinda the point, isn’t it?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You misunderstood me
The Jaguars get screwed over in the Pro Bowl year after year because they’re a small market.
The Pro Bowl is marred by fan voting.
by SoCalStites on Jan 5, 2010 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the fantasy leagues
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jan 5, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I gotcha now.
Even if that is true, there is no denying that Minn. has a much, much, much better O-line than the Jags do, and even if the Jags’ linemen were on the NE Pats, they wouldn’t make the pro-bowl.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's some stuff I found from a Washington Post article
Eight Vikings made the Pro Bowl including offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie, beaten so badly and so often two weeks ago by Julius Peppers that he was benched. Then beaten regularly again Sunday night by Israel Idonije of the Bears.
McKinnie is on the team because Minnesotans were urged to stuff ballot boxes.
by SoCalStites on Jan 5, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So it was a conspiracy.
Ok, one of the best OTs getting beat by one of the best DEs isn’t really an indicator that the OT is not a good OT.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and you conveniently left off the fact that DG leads the leauge in red zone turnovers
by OGN on Jan 5, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many of those are fumbes resulting from a bad snap or getting hit on the blind-side?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im also curious to see how Gene plans on getting more draft picks.
by JagSoldier on Jan 5, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Someone has to want to trade up for that to happen
by SoCalStites on Jan 5, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There will always be someone who wants to trade up. How far they want to trade up is another question though.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You raise a interesting point.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 5, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Replace Jack Del Taco with Who?
I don’t know of anybody I would rather see replace JDR?
by PoodlesOfDoom on Jan 5, 2010 6:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty racist comment.
You call all people of hispanic heritage Tacos?
by Slvrgun on Jan 5, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Del Taco
Is a fast food chain, nothing racist about it. It’s just poking fun of the coach. Kind of like calling the Redskins head coaching position a McJob.
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by DownTownJax on Jan 5, 2010 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You should be ashamed of yourself for insulting my Irish heritage!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing...
The new head coach made me look like a clairvoiant racist….
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by DownTownJax on Jan 6, 2010 8:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
haha…just so you know, I was using the sarcasm font.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 6, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We all know that it was James "shack" Harris.
See what Gene has done in year one. What would you do with Leftwich, M. Jones, Reggie Nelson, R. Williams, and Harvey. All bad draft picks. Thanks for blaming others but it was Mr. Harris that screwed are franchise into mediocracy for the past decade. In Gene I trust.
by Jewasaurus on Jan 5, 2010 6:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Shack screwed up the Jaguars big time and deserves the majority of the blame
I tried to present both sides to the debate.
By the way, a mediocracy sounds like a terrible form of government.
by SoCalStites on Jan 5, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if ....
we had Shack Harris last year would he take WR, like DHB? or if he could year before JMR? Ask him what would he take, and do oposite.
by Nikola R on Jan 5, 2010 6:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Happy thoughts please.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
by TheTealDeal on Jan 5, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Crabtree would be a Jaguar today...
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jan 5, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In other news
David Garrard our QB is 31years old, with one half decent season behind him in ’07.
Are we gonna plan our future around him?
At age of 31+, and at least 1 more year in rebuilding, and adding OL and other needs?
so what , so that he could retire just in time to lead us to SB?
if we are rebuilding we better do it good, or….
by Nikola R on Jan 5, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for that – provided that the QB we draft is a good one, and not just some popular guy in college at a big-name school (a la Tebow). Garrard IS in his 30s and the replacement needs to be drafted and groomed now, not when Garrard is done.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Jan 5, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm saying
We are not gonna replace DG next season but we need to find replacment.
by Nikola R on Jan 6, 2010 4:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I want to see
as well. I like how Vic describes Garrard, good not great. He,s not getting any better and if this team is so dead set on rebuilding then they should start with a QB.
by JagSoldier on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
These poles are kinda corney
I selected neither reason being who else could we have had in there, peoples expectations are usually unrealistic the same percentage that we may have been drastically improved is equaled by the percentage that we could have been dramatically worse think about it people!!
by Enyce5943 on Jan 6, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Noted by Paul Kuharsky
Well done Adam!
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Jan 6, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Average at best
What helps make a QB look better than he actualy is? A stout defense.
David had that when he took the reins, Playing with the score not in your favor is not what he can excell at. O-line even took a step back at the same time.
by jagswinbig on Jan 6, 2010 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying
that the Jags had a stout defense in 07? Really? My memory must be fudging.
by Ewdtrey on Jan 6, 2010 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The end of 06
David had the chance to bring the Jaguars to the playoffs with a really strong defense and he definitely messed that one up.
by SoCalStites on Jan 6, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But that's
not when he looked good is it? haha
by Ewdtrey on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Garrard was never a 1st string QB
He only came in and looked great due to comparison with Leftwich and a QB needs to be drafted but I would still go for a pass rush first. Hopefully Gene picks like he did last year and we should expect a chance at a wildcard at least IMO. However the play calling needs to change, hand the ball to our play makers more. In games we lost Jones-Drew just didn’t get enough touches. If you are going to throw the ball make sure it gets to Sims-Walker. Really it all goes back to Leftwich; if instead of drafting him we stuck it out with Burnell one more year and then drafted a QB Big Ben would be in Jax and not our most hated Pitt. Del Rio deserves another year because regardless of what people say 7-9 is an improvement from 5-11(granted that is thanks to Gene).
by hokiewolf on Jan 7, 2010 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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