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Where is the Progress in Jacksonville?

The sun has all but set on the 2007 playoff team yet that season still remains as the standard by which team progress is gauged, and rightly so. Overcoming a litany of injuries and a series of first round busts has not been easy, yet over the past three years the team has shown signs of improvement in multiple areas.

So how can one explain the third blow out loss of the 2010 season? One which has also had a last second win over the Colts along with an opening season win over the Broncos. For every indication that the team is moving forward, they manage to empty the glass to disclose that even greater problems need to be addressed.

Star-divide

Back in 2007, the Jaguars were being led by a new starter in David Garrard, the winner of a bitter quarterback controversy. That season saw him put up a stellar quarterback rating while compiling a hall of fame touchdown to interception ratio. It was this promise of future greatness that prompted a new contract and the belief that the Jaguars would soon be Super Bowl contenders.

It was also symbolic of a head coach who began to show his success in Carolina and Baltimore was something which would translate to the next level.

Yet it was not to be and the history of 2008 is well known as injuries and disappointing play led to a season to forget.

After an evaluation of front office and on the field talent there were sweeping changes which included, over the past two years, the loss of defensive tackles in Henderson and Stroud, a gutting of the wide receiver corps and the rebuilding of the offensive line. To date all that's left to add are young faces at the interior offensive line, defensive back and linebacker.

The foundation at quarterback, however, has remained unchanged and relatively unchallenged. No worthy free agent or draft choice has walked EverBank to present himself as the next signal caller. The expectation is that if David was surrounded with better talent he would showcase his abilities and therefore the position was not an immediate need.

A fair request? Absolutely. The pounding he took at the hands of his offensive line, along with arguably the worst receiving corps in NFL history gave many the belief that he was franchise quarterback that was merely surviving until weapons were replenished. However, entering the third year removed from that playoff run there are serious questions as to whether that fabled season was the exception and not the rule.

But it isn't just David's name being tossed around. Del Rio is also being held up to scrutiny.

With the faith that has been put in Gene Smith, the question as to whether the talent is being optimized must be asked. It may be the case that David, the man who made Reggie Williams and Matt Jones look at the very least serviceable, is handcuffed by a coach, and staff, which is not able to develop and game plan.

The expectations for 2010 were low, but the team was at least expected to be competitive. Humiliating loses from the previous year would be forgotten through individual and team maturity along with another promising draft. Yet six games into the season a .500 record doesn't accurately tell the story of where this team is going.

Defensive back was a known liability and in every game has been exploited. Yielding less than 26 points only once is not a recipe for success. The greater problem is an offense, which in three loses has scored a combined total of 19 points. It is here were the questions and concerns are squarely resting. If RB, OT and WR have improved, where is the problem?

Save the Eagles game in which the team gave up seven sacks, the protection has improved. On defense the Jaguars are one of the better teams against the run, as shown by their ability to negate the impact of Chris Johnson, and have almost matched their sack total from last year.

With visible and quantitative progress in some areas, the team must be critically evaluated to find the lingering malaise. When you consider San Diego, a team that throttled Jacksonville 38-13, has loses to Seattle (27-20), Oakland (35-27) and St. Louis (20-17), one has to wonder what is wrong.

I think you can tell the team's progress by how they are losing. Looking at Detroit one can see a team that, even at 1-5, has a +6 point differential and has lost by an average of 6.4 points per game. Four of the losses were by a combined total of 18 points. Jacksonville, on the other hand, is showing a trend of blow out loses.

2008 – Decimated by line injuries, this team was shut out zero times and wasn’t blown out until late in the season when depth began to show. Prior to week 12 the largest margin of loss was 10 points.

Week 11 – 10 point loss at home to Titans
Week 12 – 18 point loss at home to Vikes
Week 13 – 13 point loss at Hou
Week 14 – 13 point loss at Chi
Week 17 – 20 point loss at Bal (Was at that game…rough crowd)

Team loses 8 of last 10

2009 – Team is shut out for the first time since 2004 and looks bad in many games

Week 2 – 14 point loss at home to Arz
Week 5 – Lose 41-0 at Sea
Week 8 – 17 point loss at TN
Week 12 – 17 point loss at SF
Week 16 – 28 point loss at NE

Team loses 5 of last 6.

2010 – Nice start and nice win over Colts but loses are not competitive

Week 2 – 25 point loss at home to Phi
Week 3 – 25 point loss at SD
Week 6 – 27 point loss at home to TN

This obviously doesn't get into the specifics of the game but it discloses a team which, in spite of success, has a hard time being prepared from week to week.

To a greater point. if Gene gets the credit for bringing in talent then who do we fault as it surely isn’t just one person? Nothing, at this point, appears to be changing. We're still looking at a team that can pull the upset, then totally vanish as if forgetting their past accomplishments.

What is needed is for that win over a team like the Colts to not be considered an upset, rather indicative of how the team regularly plays.

I’ve said it before, when Leftwich showed digression in GB during the 3rd preseason game of 2007 it was his final straw. Many of us called for Garrard to start, and upon getting our wish were rewarded with a memorable playoff run.

Is the root cause collective: an inconsistent QB who can’t elevate the play around him and a coach who can’t manage the talent? There seems to be strong indications that it could be both. The problem is that firing Del Rio during the season would be conceding the season and Trent Edwards, though young and with some upside, doesn't know the offense and is still an unproven commodity. Are Wayne and Gene ready to make two drastic moves in an effort to finalize rebuilding?

The good news is that in parts the arrow is pointing up. In Mike Thomas, Mike Sims-Walker and Marcedes Lewis you have progress in the passing game. In Deji Karim and Rashad Jennings you have progress in running back depth. Offensive tackles Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton have shown they can protect the quarterback and open lanes. Aaron Kampman, Terrance Knighton and Tyson Alualu have displayed the ability to stop the run and get to the quarterback. From Jack's record as coach to David's record as quarterback, however, the body of work says average and that is not a sign of progress.

 

I can't stand it

I can't stand it

Wilco -Can't Stand It

- Brian Fullford

 

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You just nailed it right on the head.....

+1, put into perfect perspective.

WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!

by JaxBlaster on Oct 19, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Another great article

I would love if everybody coulb remain in perspective the way you do it. And Brian is a guy; who circle this game every year in the calendar because of 99. Class act!

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 19, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd

good article – completely agree

by OGN on Oct 19, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

see everyone?

you can objectively state dissapointment without anger

perfecto!!

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 19, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Vic would love that

but i agree with all the points except for the notion of “finalizing rebuilding”. that statement, to me at least, seems like you think rebuilding is only going to take one more year? With a new qb next year, its going to take 2 more draft classes i think

by ScottyD4Life on Oct 19, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point

That could’ve been clarified. I meant to drive home that coach and QB are integral and possibly components that compensate for prevailing weaknesses. Maybe to the extent that other areas aren’t so immediate.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nicely put.

So many good points.

Changes need to be made, especially at QB, somehow and now.

There is a certain relief in change, even though it be from bad to worse! As I have often found in traveling in a stagecoach, that it is often a comfort to shift one’s position, and be bruised in a new place. ~Washington Irving

and for Del Rio and Garrard,

We did not change as we grew older; we just became more clearly ourselves. ~Lynn Hall

by iodrew on Oct 19, 2010 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great quotes!

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

those really are great

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 19, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article

This is one of the best articles I have read on this website.

“From Jack’s record as coach to David’s record as quarterback, however, the body of work says average and that is not a sign of progress.”

I agree that Garrard is not a long term answer (his career is winding down, we forget how long he has been in the league). I do think he is the best option the team has currently, and even if a QB is drafted, he will probably be the best option heading into the season next year. I also agree that the team’s record during the tenure of both men leaves much to be desired. I do disagree that progress is not evident.

I believe that when you run off a list of ten players (omitting several other promising and effective players in Justin Durant ans Daryl Smith) you demonstrate very effectively that progress is in fact taking place. Also, let’s not forget that Britton has yet to show that he is capable of starting at tackle in the NFL. I would like to see him at guard. The team will be better next year. Did we expect to be great this season?

Can anyone tell me why we keep releasing Alexander? He is a solid player, and I would rather have him on the field than Considine. I suppose they like Carey and Greene at safety, and Considine is a fantastic special teamer, while Alexander is not.

by smy on Oct 19, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you

I think it is critical that we note where the progress is. My focus was more on new additions and young players, but you’re right in Smith and Durant.

Not sure about Brtton yet but guard is surely not out of the question.

Per a tweet from FeeltheTeal JDR doesn’t feel he has a high ceiling. That one is lost on me.

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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

To answer your last question,

Not a single Jaguars defensive back, save for Mathis, deserves a job right now. Alexander included.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Oct 19, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked Greene on Monday night. I think Alexander is out of position. I think he is very good at playing the short-intermediate route. I think he is generally good in run-support. I liked him last season at strong safety, but Greene is more physical and might have some upside.

I am starting to look at Jones like William James or Drayton Florence. He is actually not bad against the run, but he struggles so totally in man coverage. He is also really late to diagnose.

That said, I maintain he was the best safety we had.

Also, Mathis has just been ok.

by smy on Oct 19, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go watch jones

On the Chris Johnson td run and will you still say he is solid against the run?

by Slawsc on Oct 19, 2010 9:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Best safety" on the Jaguars is like least dangerous convict on death row.

You wouldn’t want to be stuck with either one. And I agree, Mathis has been just ok. But that’s better than the rest of the secondary, which has been far south of “ok”.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Oct 19, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Courtney Greene

has been playing well and made a couple of good plays last night.

by iodrew on Oct 19, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

We keep releasing Alexander

Because T-Brack and Carey are the other guys at that position and they are young and/or have potential. No one’s gonna want Alexander unless they are desperate.

Essentially he’s a Keith Null, who we can just release and reclaim at our leisure.

by Brian Levenson on Oct 19, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice balanced writing though. The triumph is that you avoid making any sweeping pronouncements about failure or hopelessness. Questioning the team’s direction is legitimate, I just see a slightly different trend.

by smy on Oct 19, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I try not to write that way

I figure if Kuharsky picks it up, mission accomplished. I’ll let my body of work speak for itself.

This article was written, oddly enough, from the dialogue throughout the day on other articles. I love to write that way. Lets me vet out ideas and expand on ideas through others comments.

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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, love the way you frame your replies

You read like a lawyer or philosopher.

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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so you know, the “adult” comment wasn’t for you.

I posted that, but it was on another thread.

I can do that. Where do I put it? On here?

by smy on Oct 19, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying

I did take some offense to that, which was obvious. That you took the time to note as such is telling: high character.

Write a Fan Post. I can’t front page it but the editors can.

And this goes for everyone…if you have something to say put it out there for consumption. The best part about writing is that you get a chance to change your mind or better strengthen your position. At least I get that out of it :)

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

How so?

Looks like he is banned.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Oct 20, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he's comical

I have refused to read the comments section in the TU this week. He’s the closest thing I see here to it.

by Joe Fisher on Oct 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

How was he banned?

I know he was being a little obnoxious, but was it really that bad?

You can't reason with unreasonable people.

by JagsAlex87 on Oct 21, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an intelligent approach. It is important to take it all in. Sometimes the debate can go too far, but it certainly stimulates critical thinking. Nice work man.

by smy on Oct 19, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Nicely written article

that will help readers understand the reality of the situation … until the first “fire them all” comment.
I think, no matter how rational the perspective, there is a significant portion of the fan base that does not or will not accept that its team will underachieve for a time.
We say we are “rebuilding,” but expect to lead the division and compete for a playoff spot. Those two are incompatible.
We’re getting guys off the street and other teams’ practice squads and seeing them start on Sunday.
I don’t know about JDR. I like the guy, but I can’t say if he has what it takes or doesn’t. We’ll know what the only person who really matters thinks soon enough.
In the meantime, I’ll savor the peaks and rue the valleys. There’s not much more I can do. I’m certainly going to change my allegiance.
Anyone who thinks this year’s Jags are an embarrassment lacks historical perspective, short and long term.

Section 442, RIP
Jaguars, most knowledgable fans in the NFL.

by unhipcat on Oct 19, 2010 8:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

What's embarrassing

is not losing on the national stage but looking weak and unprepared for the contest. The reality is this team cannot throw the ball consistently, and has not done so since Brunell. …and to put it into perspective, if the Jags played the Titans, like the Bills played the Jags, people wouldn’t be so upset.

by iodrew on Oct 19, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep that perspective man, that is how a true fan maintains balance. In the end, it’s all good. We still love our team

by smy on Oct 19, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Big oops

Meant "certainly not going to chane my allegiance ".

Section 442, RIP
Jaguars, most knowledgable fans in the NFL.

by unhipcat on Oct 19, 2010 9:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

fat fingers

and small iphone screens aren’t compatible either

Section 442, RIP
Jaguars, most knowledgable fans in the NFL.

by unhipcat on Oct 19, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't call it rebuilding

How are we rebuilding with an 8 year coach with a career .500 record and a 33 year old qb? I would love to know in the history of the NFL how many franchises were rebuilt with that formula? any case of rebuiliding I know of is with new leadership. The jags are trying but the pieces of the puzzle are all out of order. Next year when there is a new qb and a new head coach we hopefully the pieces are in place or we have another 2-3 years in front of us. GM Gene better have this right!

by Slawsc on Oct 19, 2010 8:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

It is ironic

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it is rebuilding

or restocking or whatever one wants to call it. This roster has bee in a state of flux since the end of the 08 season, and it hasn’t been pretty. But in two drafts GM Gene has gotten several young players who show promise. We’re definitely better on both lines than at the end of 08, and we have some nice looking skill and specialty players. Gene’s kept the productive guys for the most part (can’t think of any jettisons that look like mistakes, but I’m there are one or two out there) and is building a roster that should become competitive for the long haul… not selling out for big name swagger for the short term fix. As he said, he’s not building to get to the super bowl this year, but every year. Yeah, it hurts now. But in a few years it will be like going through boot camp… I don’t want to it again, but looking back, it wasn’t that bad. Can’t merely say it, gotta mean it, In Gene we trust.

Section 442, RIP
Jaguars, most knowledgable fans in the NFL.

by unhipcat on Oct 19, 2010 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was

Trying to say when I think rebuilding I think. Of the lions building around stafford. Rams around Bradford. Jets around sanchez. Just seems like logic is to start w a qb not everything else first as the way we are approaching it. What if the qb gene gets doesn’t pan out?

by Slawsc on Oct 19, 2010 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i honestly think they are going with the whole

“new coach and ‘his’ qb” thing next year

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to thank everyone for the feedback

Helps improve writing, which makes the blog better.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rebuilding is a term that applies to the roster as a whole. The team rebuilds as it can. Who could we have drafted last year to play quarterback? The year before? (Hold off on the Henne argument, he has proven nothing).

The Jags have a 33 year old quarterback because that is who they have. They have the same coach in an effort to maintain administrative continuity. The rest of the roster is in a constant state of flux. That much at least is evident. Rebuilding is a phrase that we apply to a team in transition. There are no sure pronouncements about a timetable for success, but given the roster, I think we knew this was not the year for the playoffs.

by smy on Oct 19, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

haha

Perhaps. I just think they wanted to remain competitive. I think they figured veterans in key places would ease the transition

by smy on Oct 19, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is where I think the irony resides

If we accept coach and qb are cornerstone, isn’t it more reloading than rebuilding? Semantic argument? Sure. But we’ve been sold the story.

It brings a smile to my face to consider it, though in the grand scheme of things it is probably petty. But I’m all for overkill with respect to dissecting the language.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another year with Jack demands a new term.

Re-Raping.

Because that is what he has been doing to the fans and Weaver for eight long years. Get your preferred lubricant ready, cause it’s going to be a long painful ride this season.

by Slvrgun on Oct 19, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always direct and graphic

Yes, again I laughed.

The greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.
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by Brian Fullford on Oct 19, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i might be on reach tonight

ill look you up

Proven Th30ry

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 19, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool.

I’ll be studying tonight but I’ll get on as I need to get more rankings in Arena.

by Slvrgun on Oct 19, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ive rarely used arena

i stay in swat. still waiting on a buddy to bring the game

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 19, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian

Thank you for this article. This is why i love this blog. Intelligent articles, well thought out points, need I go on? We are frustrated and we want answers. Unfortunately, in the midst of all that, we are at .500. We do, however, have to be patient for this consistently inconsistent period to end. Maybe it ends with Jack leaving, or with David leaving. The more I think, Jack has never had a franchise QB during his tenure. Will Gene get one next year? Not sure Can Trent Edwards make us forget how frustrated we all are with Garrard this year? Not sure… Gotta end this getting frustrated again. Thanks for your perspective.

by DeeMoe on Oct 19, 2010 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember when JDR wanted Brady Quinn over Reggie Nelson?

I wonder how much different the drafts pre-Gene era would have looked if JDR had a higher say? (or rather more picks went to whom he preferred). Just some food for thought.

by ScottyD4Life on Oct 19, 2010 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

i still dont think Quinn is as bad as everyone else does

regardless, the sample size is not large

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 19, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know

I just wonder if JDR ever had a chance to build his defense with “his guys” and guys who he felt fit what he wanted to do on defense.

by ScottyD4Life on Oct 19, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i often wonder that

he’s obviously a good play-caller with inferior talent, right now. I just wonder what his ceiling as “the man” is

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 19, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

WW probably wonders that too.

Only the most deluded think that JDR has had enough talent on in various positions to succeed. Now that there’s a competent GM with a patient owner that understands that this is still a year or two away from being rebuilt……………

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Oct 20, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Leftwich and Garrard have really been stars.

Not to mention the parade of All Pro receivers. And then still when the offense became competent in spite of that, the complete disintegration of the talent level on the defensive side in the last few years. Yeah. I can’t believe he didn’t succeed. Do you believe for even a second any other playoff team would’ve traded rosters with us?

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Oct 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 and 2009?

Really? I’ll give you 2006 and 2007, but even then I wouldn’t say the team played below its talent level.

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by Adam Stites on Oct 20, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point

Can we honestly say that any of our teams in a single year have been great all around (offense, defense, ST)? Look at the players they let go, few teams were ever even interested in them and when they were acquired by other teams, their production fell (2 that come to mind are deon grant and marcus stroud). Is all of this really JDRs fault? (there’s some fault yes, but to the point to fire him? no.)

by ScottyD4Life on Oct 20, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you actually

I like JDR and I don’t like that the deficiencies of his teams and more importantly, his quarterbacks, have been hung around his neck. That said, if this team is ready to draft a new quarterback and give this franchise a new face, he might have to go because of that, if nothing else.

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by Adam Stites on Oct 20, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't see...

how Wayne Weaver could not fire Jack Del Rio after this season. I really can’t think of one thing that Jack has going in his favor that could change Wayne’s mind. JDR has had one playoff appearance since he’s been the head coach and, as the author of this work has stated, the arrow is pointing down on how these guys are competing in games.

Sometimes you have to cut your losses, and with JDR I think it is time to do so.

by tecallion on Oct 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Two?

When was the second appearance?

by tecallion on Oct 20, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

2005

remember Leftwich coming back from the broken ankle and us making Ben Watson look like Ozzie Newsome?

by Joe Fisher on Oct 20, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm....

 Ok, I remember. But the Jags went to the playoffs four straight years under Coughlin (1996-1999). I think the proof is in the pudding…..Jack needs to go.

by tecallion on Oct 20, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Jaguars also missed the playoffs for the next five straight years (2000-2004) as a direct consequence of making the playoffs those four years.

Salary cap hell is a bitch. And Coughlin had a lot more talent: Fred, Boselli, Jimmy, Keenan, Searcy, etc. And the expansion team had the benefit of extra first round picks. In fact, that was such a benefit that expansion teams stopped getting them – like the Texans.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on Oct 21, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

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