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Does Size Matter?

    *Pictured Right: Jaguars 318 lb. G Uche Nwaneri

My buddy Blake is an avid football watcher. Until the last two weeks, he's never really had a team to call his own. He follows styles of play. He loves to run the ball and stop the run, so, naturally, he hates the Colts due to their failure to do either one (except on rare occasions). He likes the Jaguars style of play but called me because he doesn't understand them.

You see, he had slowly been becoming a Titans fan. They run the ball well, obviously, and they normally stop the run well. They harass the quarterback and their defense makes turnovers. They also don't run the 3-4. They're perfect for him. Sadly for Jaguars fans, they're a mature version of the Jaguars.

So when he called me today, after giving me a few days to get cooled down from the loss, he asked me what was the deal with the Jaguars offensive line. He stated how much bigger they were than the Titans D-line. They were, I noted. He goes on to say that the Cowboys O-line was even bigger than the Jags and the Raiders are the biggest there is. With all these big linemen pushing TN around over the weeks, MJD should've had a field day because he was obviously the most talented of the backs TN would have faced this season. I decided to do some research. RB's rushing and receiving stats along with their offensive line's size. I have no idea how this will fare, so enjoy. I think.

Now, obviously, D-linemen are moved around and do rotate, so I have included the reserves however little they play.

All information is from NFL.com

Star-divide

First off, the TN Titans starting D-line.

LE Jason Babin: 6'3", 260 lbs.

DT Jason Jones: 6'5", 276 lbs

DT Tony Brown: 6'3", 305 lbs.

RE Dave Ball: 6'5", 255 lbs.

RESERVE D-Linemen

LE William Hayes: 6'3", 272 lbs.

DT Jovan Haye: 6'2", 277 lbs.

DT Sen'Derrick Marks: 6'2", 294 lbs.

RE Jacob Ford: 6'4", 252 lbs.

RE Derrick Morgan: 6'3", 278 lbs. (DNP vs Jags, IR)

DT Kareem Brown: 6'4", 285 lbs.

DT Amon Gordon: 6'2", 305 lbs.

Check this out:

The average starting D-lineman for the Titans:

6'4", 274 lbs.

The average reserve D-lineman for the Titans:

6'2.8", 280.4 lbs.

 

Now, their opponents:

Week 1-- Raiders

AVG O-lineman: 6'6", 316 lbs. (backup RG and C would raise this believe it or not)

AVG TE: 6'4.5", 252.5 lbs.

Darren McFadden: 6'2", 210 lbs.

18 carries, 95 yards. (AVG-5.27)

6 rec, 55 yds, 1 TD. (AVG-9.16)

The Titans starters faced a 42 lb difference versus the O-line of the Raiders, on average, and, judging by the stats, were pushed around.

Week 2-- Steelers

AVG O-linemen: 6'5.4", 331 lbs.

AVG TE: 6'4.6", 260 lbs.

I'm blown away by the massiveness up front by this squad.

Rashard Mendenhall: 5'10", 225 lbs.

23 carries, 69 yards.

1 rec, 3 yards

Apparently, the 57 lb advantage for the Steelers did not go a long way.

Week 3-- Giants

AVG O-linemen: 6'4.4", 314.6 lbs.

starting C Shaun O'hara missed this game. He was replace by Adam Koets, who is 2 inches taller and 3 pounds less, if you're curious and end up on a game show where that is relevant.

AVG TE: 6'4.5", 246 lbs.

Ahmad Bradshaw: 5'9", 198 lbs

15 carries, 88 yards, 1TD (5.9)

5 rec, 30 yds (6.0)

Brandon Jacobs: 6'4", 264 lbs

4 carries, 17 yards (4.3)

1 rec, 1 yard (1.0)

Week 4-- Broncos

AVG O-line: 6'4.4", 310.6 lbs

AVG TE: 6'4", 255.6 lbs

Knowshon Moreno: (out that week)

Laurence Maroney: 5'11", 220 lbs

11 att, 5 yds (.5)

2 rec, 10 yds

Correl Buckhalter: 6'0" 223 lbs

6 att, 3 yards (.5)

5 rec, 38 yds, 1TD (7.6)

Week 5-- Cowboys

AVG O-line: 6'5.2", 327 lbs

AVG TE: 6'6.3", 267.3 lbs

Felix Jones: 5'10", 220 lbs

15 att, 109 yards

4 rec, 17 yards

Marion Barber: 5'11", 219 yards

6 att, 19 yards

Week 6-- Jaguars

AVG O-line: 6'4", 309.6 lbs

AVG TE: 6'5.6" 266.6 lbs

Maurice Jones-Drew: 5'7", 208 lbs

17 att, 57 yards (3.4)

2 att, 8 yards (4.0)

Rashad Jennings: 6'1", 228 lbs (no carries)

Deji Karim: 5'8", 209 lbs

3 att, 3 yards (1.0)

2 rec, 9 yards (4.5)

 

EDIT: Ewdtrey speaks: are you sure our average weight on the OL against the Titans was only 309? Remember Vince was starting over Smiley….
Monroe- 308
Vince- 333
Meester- 302
Uche- 318
Britton- 310
Average: 314.2 lbs
Average with Smiley instead of Manuwai is 309, like you said.

 

 

My Thoughts: In no way are you certain to be disabled in the run game by smaller defensive linemen. The smaller linemen, such as the Titans, can sometimes be a liability but in this instance they are not. The Titans defensive line coach is one of the best in the league and by these facts has proven his ability to coach against the run game, except in some instances where they are too geared for the pass (Cowboys game) and not geared enough for the run. I would love to have a 355 lb guard like Dallas does or maybe a 338 lb tackle (just not Flozell) like the Steelers do. A 6'6" 325 lb Ryan Clady is great for every team, but in the end the coaches do matter even more than size. I don't know what to say about the Jaguars. They just didn't out-muscle the Titans and we can say that part of it may be size but they are plenty large enough to have bullied the Titans linemen around, they just didn't. MJD and Deji Karim really tried but when there's no push, there's no big plays.The size helps, but its not the decider.

 

Sidenote: The largest lineman i encountered on all these teams starters was Raiders RT Langston Walker . He stands at 6'8" and 360 lbs. WOW!

 

Anyway, I thought it was interesting. Let me know what you think.

 

-Brandon Clark

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our average weight on the OL against the Titans was only 309? Remember Vince was starting over Smiley….
Monroe- 308
Vince- 333
Meester- 302
Uche- 318
Britton- 310
Average: 314.2 lbs
Average with Smiley instead of Manuwai is 309, like you said.

by Ewdtrey on Oct 21, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

good catch

thanks

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 21, 2010 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good...

now how many of those games did they play 8-9 in the box…to help stop the run…with not fearing the passing. That could show alot more..

WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!

by JaxBlaster on Oct 21, 2010 3:01 AM EDT reply actions  

true

but that would be far too exhausting to find out

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 21, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol yeah...

easy to think about, hard to research…..I really beleive thats alot of the titatns D at stoping the run we saw alot of it aganist us, stacking 8 in the box….Now as far as pass pertection on the other hand, i think there speed at those sizes is out weighing the wheight. IMO offcourse. I think small faster OT will be the wave of the future to keep up with these small faster DE off the jump and edge.

WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!

by JaxBlaster on Oct 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats sad but probably true

then there will be that one team that’s huge and runs the ball and no one will be able to do anything to them

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah i agree....

Look back at the earlier Dallas era of the 90’s…..Werent they the milestone for the Baheamth lineman, prior to that i think the average weight was somehwer elike 275-300….now its around 300-330. So its like anything in life, everything recycles. They got biger DT and DE to counter the Smaller and faster OT and OG, and they had to step up the Bigger OT and OG, to counter that, then the Smaller DT and DE yet faster are starting to blow it up….Times are ever revolving, the minute you think youve got it figured out its changing again. Time the ever revolving door.

WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!

by JaxBlaster on Oct 21, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha yeah good example

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 21, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff

I don’t know what to draw from it, theres more to consider with linebackers filling gaps and the like but its really interesting. Rec’d.

by jstnblke41 on Oct 21, 2010 7:15 AM EDT reply actions  

appreciate it

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 21, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes - but extremely relevant

I agree with JaxBlasted eeerrrrr JaxBlaster :-)

by OGN on Oct 21, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.

It’s talent that matters. Size might win out on occasion, but talent will help you win on a consistent basis. Aaron Kampman is a prime example, he’s 6’4" and 265 lbs.

LT Ryan Clady for Denver is 6’6" and 325 lbs. and RT Zane Beadles is 6’4" and 305 lbs. for the Broncos.

LT Brandyn Dombrowsk is 6’5" and 323 lbs. and RT Jerome Clary is 6’6" and 320 lbs. for the Chargers.

LT Jason Peters is 6’4" and 340 lbs. and RT Winston Justice is 6’6" and 320 lbs. for the Eagles.

LT Ryan Diem is 6’6" and 320 lbs. and *RT Charlie Johnson is 6’4" and 305 lbs. for the Colts.

LT Demitrius Bell is 6’5" and 305 lbs. and RT Cornell Green is 6’6" and 315 lbs. for the Bills.

LT Michael Roos is 6’7" and 320 lbs. and RT David Stewart is 6’7" and 315 lbs. for the Titans.

I didn’t do their averages, but it’s apparent that they were all bigger than Kampman. I also included both tackles because Kampman plays both RE and LE during the game. He only has three sacks in those six games, but I don’t think there was one of them were he wasn’t getting some pressure on the QB. So yeah, I definately think it’s talent over size.

by kjones407 on Oct 21, 2010 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

good point kjones

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 21, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

SIze only matters

If you have the skills to use it appropriately.

WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?

by BIBBEE on Oct 21, 2010 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

sorry, i must… but… that’s what she said

Sean

Pax Armis Acquiritur

by cuffs007 on Oct 21, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

You are correct, that is indeed what she said.

To quote the collection of Great American poets referred to as “The Beastie Boys”:
“I got the skills. What Skills? To pay the bills. I got the skills.”

WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?

by BIBBEE on Oct 21, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao at both of yall

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Oct 21, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leverage leverage leverage.

I will say no more.

by Slvrgun on Oct 21, 2010 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

its not as much as Size or Talent

it depends on these 8 things: Size, Talent, Athletic ability, Leverage, Quickness, Strength, Flexibility, and Motivation

by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Oct 22, 2010 1:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Wait...

so coaching has nothing to do with it?!

by jstnblke41 on Oct 22, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

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