Is Derrick Harvey done in Jacksonville?
by Adam Stites on Oct 5, 2010 3:27 PM EDT
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PrintIt appears as though Derrick Harvey, the Jaguars first round pick in 2008, could likely lose his starting spot next week to Jeremy Mincey, a sixth round draft pick of the Patriots in 2006. Making me look a little ridiculous. The year that was supposed to be the breakout year for Harvey has turned into the weakest of his still young career. The pass rushing we thought we'd see from Harvey in 2010 has not showed at all, seemingly coming from every player other than him.
Jaguar fans have taken solace in the fact that he's a run stuffer first and a pass rusher second. According to Football Outsiders, the fans are right. The Jaguars rank 10th in the league in "Adjusted Line Yards" on rushes to the left defensive end (Harvey's primary position) with 3.53. You can compare that to the right defensive end spot that ranks 19th at 4.52. But is his run stuffing ability enough to warrant a roster spot after he signed a 5 year, $23.8 million contract after being drafted?
Gene Smith has had no problems purging the roster of Shack Harris's draft busts. After the 2009 season he released Matt Jones and allowed Reggie Williams's contract to expire. In the 2010 offseason he traded away Quentin Groves and Reggie Nelson. The only first rounders from the Harris era left are Marcedes Lewis and Derrick Harvey. One certainly due for a large contract extension, while the other may soon see the same fate as the rest of the Harris draft picks.
With the elevated play of Mincey and the potential growth of rookies Larry Hart, Austen Lane and Aaron Morgan into starting-caliber defensive ends, Harvey's worth seems to be limited. That is, unless, a breakout season is still in the cards. The excuses are gone, though. There was a list of reasons why 2010 was the perfect season for a breakout performance. There's very few excuses for why it hasn't been one.
It is highly unlikely that Harvey doesn't finish the season with the Jaguars. The question whether or not Harvey plays with the Jaguars next year probably relies on whether or not Gene can find a trade market for his talents this offseason.
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If we can get a 5th for groves what could we get for Harvey? Is there a market for him? Some one must love the guy if we traded all the way up to the 8th pick to get him. I say he provides depth and is worth at least a 3rd to us. If trading him lets us move up in next years draft I am down but lets wait before we proclaim that he is a complete bust and needs to hit the street.
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It’s one thing to trade for a bust with a 2nd round contract or on the last year of a late 1st round deal. Harvey is still owed a nice chunk of change. Harvey would still be owed around 10 million in guaranteed money if a team wanted to trade.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Oct 5, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Groves was worthless to the team.
Harvey is still a good contributor, just not in the pass rushing department. Until they bring in a DE who can hold up against the run, I think he’ll still be on the team. I’m not sure Mincey will start over him yet, but he should get more looks on passing downs. Not sure Mincey holds the point as well.
by Alfie Crow on Oct 5, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Both passing downs
and against pass-first teams like the Colts.
I think we’re going to see more Harvey against teams like TEN.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
Yes, he and his 3 tackles. Can’t even play the “but he’s good against the run” card anymore.
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I keep my opinion that he’s not worth the money , as you set the question. I’m all for trading him because i think he still has some trade value and we need as many picks as we can get for next draft.
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Being a stuffer...
can mean that the opposing teams avoid your side of the ball. I am not saying he is worth the money either, but he is not a huge liability either. His presence on the team may provide an opportunity for Cullen and Kampman to bring Hart, Lane, Morgan, and Mincey along without the pressure of using them before they are ready.
I think and hope he will be gone by next year, and i dream we could get at least a 5th rounder for him. We need to rush the passer, he won’t do that, so let’s move on…we can’t be content with mediocrity.
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To be honest, I’d rather have Derrick Harvey at LDE than a 5th round pick. I don’t understand why you’d “hope” for him to be gone, either. It’s not like he’s Reggie Nelson out there.
You can’t have a line of just pass rushers, else you’re going to get run over like the Colts did.
by Alfie Crow on Oct 5, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
couldn't agree more
He’s not the pass rusher they expected but it’s not like he’s crapping himself all over ther field. We’re in a division with one of if not the best rusher in the league, and a Houston team that has to resort to the run when Andre Johnson is out.
Just for grins and giggles, I wonder if the Jags would consider Harvey at linebacker. He does have similar size to an Urlacher. He’s still at a stage of his career where I believe he is coachable. I understand the NFL is not Madden but why the hell not try something and see if it clicks. He’s got skills just not the skills we thought he had or could develop.
A lot of people were saying the same thing about Marcedes
If I recall, there were a lot of grumblings about spending a first rounder on a blocking tight end.
by JohnnyBiceps on Oct 6, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't see him being gone
Unless Lane develops into a player or we draft another DE that Gene is really high on next year. Just because he doesn’t rush the passer phenomenally well doesn’t mean we don’t have three other positions that don’t. More pressure the better, I agree, but if he is taking up solid space, he can free up rushers from the second level and, like you said, shut down the run on one side of the field.
Where the money becomes the issue is the multi-million dollar question.
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I still think he can get better.
Maybe he is just a slow learner but the guy obviously has skill he just needs to learn how to use it. His only problem is that Gene would weight for long.
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