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Jags/Redskins game notes: A surprising amount of positives.

I know, I know, the Jaguars lost. We lost against a bad team. Look, that happens, it doesn't mean we can't learn something from it. Here's what I saw this week. I'll try to look beyond the obvious:

Mike Thomas: Ok, that was actually the obvious place to look. Still it should be done. M80 had six catches for 96 yards and a TD, including four catches for 65 yards in a single second-quarter drive. He now has 65 catches for 808 yards on the year. That's a pretty good season for a guy on a run-first team.

Jason Hill: Yes, Hill is technically the 49ers unwanted leftovers, but don't let that fool you. Dallas dropped Jimmy Smith before the Jaguars picked him up in 1996, Mike Williams is a similar story this year in Seattle, and there are plenty of stories like Marques Colston who was a 7th rounder who caught on. You find players where you find players, and the last few weeks, Jason Hill has been a player. Hill made 4 catches for 77 yards this week. He has also made plays in the deep passing game two weeks straight. Don't let one dropped slant pass overpower the Tyree-esque 26 yard catch Hill made as a DB tried to rip the ball from his hands. He'll be here next year for sure. PS: If Garrard had led Hill better, that 37-yard longball would have been an easy TD. He was wide open.

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Zach Potter: Are you sensing a trend here? Aside from a few Garrard INT's (which were pretty huge) the passing game worked well yesterday. Potter was signed for his blocking, but once Zach Miller went down, Potter caught a couple quick passes and was able to do something with them. His stats were nothing glorious, 2 catches for 14 yards, but he's a reformed D-end. This just shows me that the Jags might have the deepest, most talented TE group of any team in the league.

 

Derek Cox: He played a heck of a game. From my seat in 242 it didn't quite look like he made that interception, but it was actually his 3rd foot that came down out of bounds, not his second. The Redskins hardly threw at him at all his coverage was so good, and he got another pick today. He leads the team in interceptions and I believe Cox is fully ready to step up and be considered the Jaguars number one corner. That's good, because Rashean Mathis is proving to be very ready to step down from that role as he was picked on again on the day's biggest pass play.

Courtney Greene: I'm really falling for this guy as the year goes on. In our first seven games, we allowed 26 or more points 6 times. Since then we've only done it twice: the two weeks when Greene was out. I have no proof that Greene had anything to do with it but that's still a nice little stat. He had 5 tackles and a pass defended yesterday. Greene is head and shoulders above Sean Considine, and has 65 tackes, a pick and a forced fumble on the season. Not bad for a guy with a girl's name.

Derrick Harvey: He made a great play in the run game today. Don't get your hopes up, but it's there.

Daryl Smith: He had a good game. Duh, doesn't he always? 9 tackles and a pass defended. We split him out wide sometimes and manned him up with Chris Cooley who failed to catch at least 4 balls as the result of good coverage. Cooley still caught 5 for 48 yards, but that's tame compared to what the Jags usually give up to TE's.

The biggest downsides this week were in the running game and O-line, but what do you expect with Guy Whimper and Jordan Black both playing together on the right side of the line and a 7th round, 2nd year player starting at RB. When you are without your best player (best two players if you count Aaron Kampman along with MJD) that'll happen. Garrard played great at some moments and badly at others. That'll be talked about ad nauseum on BCC in the next week so I'll avoid that subject.

That's all I got. With the Colts' win in Oakland, this game became absolutely, 100% meaningless in the playoff picture, so don't let it drag you down. As a really emo T-shirt once said: remember to smile; it confuses people.

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but did you guys see the reggie nelson hit on tolbert that put tolbert on a stretcher… he kinda shoved his neck and he hurt it

by jagsfan1 on Dec 27, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Always been a big fan of Thomas

Glad hes havin a good season…he could end up having more receiving yards then Sims-Walker did last year and already has more receptions. Damn good 4th round pick.

"I’m going to punish him. If he hits me, fine, but if I catch him, believe me, I’m going to get the better shot." - Fred Taylor

by kterr on Dec 27, 2010 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

he also had 16 games to do it as well

MSW got the same numbers in only 12 games last year because 2 games he was injured, one suspension, and one game he was on the bench.

by leopold332002 on Dec 28, 2010 6:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Greene is the player missed badly...

That hit on Moss set the tone…he’s an excellent find…I’m thinking the jags will look for the following during next years draft:

FS
LB
C
CB
QB

With all the picks the Jags have, I’m more than confident Gene will find studs at the before mentioned positions

One life to live, live it to the fullest...

by SDubxl456 on Dec 27, 2010 3:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

think we might need to add G and another WR(depending on MSW being a FA..and the possible returd of dillard)

by chrisltr22c on Dec 27, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct, but ususally the C would play G until

Meester retires and I thought about WR but with Hill emergence and training camp, Dillards return, MSW healthy along with M80, I think we’re all set at WR.

The Jags need a stud at FS and LB. A person to go along wit OLB Smith and S Grenne (game changers)

One life to live, live it to the fullest...

by SDubxl456 on Dec 27, 2010 5:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well im not counting on MSW. he is a FA this year, and im sure like all WR. he will try and get mad money. im not sure we should pay. after the lack of true #1 production, and his injuries. i think gene might go draft for another #1 type. i most certainly agree about FS and LB, but i wouldnt count durant out either. adding depth and maybe a MLB with more range and speed..morrison is a FA as well i believe.

by chrisltr22c on Dec 27, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually talking about MLB

I would keep Morrison as well but get a MLB with the 3rd or 4th round pick…

The first 4 picks should look like this:

1. Safety
2. QB
3. MLB
4. C/G

One life to live, live it to the fullest...

by SDubxl456 on Dec 27, 2010 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think its more

1. Safety/Corner
2. QB
3. Corner/Safety
4. LB

by rhettchrystal on Dec 28, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Pouncey (G/C) and Robert Sands (S)

Those two are who I want

"I’m going to punish him. If he hits me, fine, but if I catch him, believe me, I’m going to get the better shot." - Fred Taylor

by kterr on Dec 27, 2010 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

I don't want Pouncey at Center

He sucks.

You can't reason with unreasonable people.

by JagsAlex87 on Dec 27, 2010 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

are you a florida fan?

i am and have watched the whole season. i really dont see this guy as a NFL center. hell he couldnt perform as a college center. he constantly struggles with reading defenses, and he has an issue snapping and moving at the sametime. there is a reason his bro came out before him. i think he would definitely have to play G in the nfl. not sure about sands..ill have to take a look.

by chrisltr22c on Dec 27, 2010 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

The thought is he'd be better as a guard

My UF friends all tell me he sucks as a center. It’s pretty true.

by Brian Levenson on Dec 27, 2010 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah he was almost comical at center..i dont think the neurons upstairs fire that fast..he would be a mauler at guard though. sont know if he is the best out there..dont know many others.

by chrisltr22c on Dec 27, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Just wanted to add one thing..

That sack Larry Hart had was huge, and he showed some good speed on that play to chase down grossman

by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Dec 27, 2010 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Don't forget about D'Anthony Smith

I think he’ll be a solid addition to a rapidly improving D-line.
I like Courtney Greene, too. He’ll be in the mix.

Section 442, RIP
Jaguars, most knowledgable fans in the NFL.

by unhipcat on Dec 27, 2010 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

Correction...

With the bears beating the Jets this loss eliminated the chance of the Jets/Bills game being a factor to the Jags playoff hopes. Not that I would bet on the Bills beating the Jets but it’s the NFL, so you never know.

by Red White and Teal on Dec 28, 2010 12:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Derek Cox

is quietly becoming one of our best defenders. It angers me that he was benched earlier in the year. There was obvioulsy more to it besides his “confidence”. I also believe Courtney Greene will be at the safety positon next year, I’m starting to like this guy.

by fortzj on Dec 28, 2010 4:49 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe he's playing as well as he is now

BECAUSE he was benched earlier in the year ? I’m not saying it’s true, just that it’s possible.

Just like guys who seem to wake up and play at a much higher level after they get cut from a team.

DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.

by pksiv on Dec 28, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You and I think alike

In retrospect, I think JDR might have seen another Reggie Nelson deal coming on and kinda saved Cox from himself. I’d imagine as a football lifer, you have moments of “I’ve seen this story play out before, only this time I have control of the matter.”

by Joe Fisher on Dec 28, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s funny there has been a surprisingly higher rate of positive comments for this game. The teams were good and the game was entertaining. Honestly, a win or lose in the game would still be commendable considering the caliber of sportsmanship demonstrated.

Michael Jordan Quotes

by patoncath on Dec 28, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

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