Raiders @ Jaguars: Bad Blood?
by Adam Stites on Dec 9, 2010 1:38 PM EST
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PrintThere was some wheeling and dealing between Gene Smith and Al Davis during this offseason, but with both teams at .500 or better and in the playoff hunt, it's hard to argue that one team fleeced another. Instead it would appear that both teams benefited from their respective moves and were able to improve their football teams. The Jaguars made a trade that brought in their new starting middle linebacker, Kirk Morrison, while also trading away Quentin Groves.
After all was said and done, the Jaguars sent Quentin Groves and a 4th rounder to Oakland in exchange for two 5th rounders and Kirk Morrison. In addition, the Jaguars released John Henderson who later signed a one year deal with the Raiders. Morrison, Groves and Henderson have all been moderately successful in their new jerseys while the three draft picks (Jacoby Ford, Austen Lane, Larry Hart) also have both teams pleased.
So all's good in the neighborhood, right? Apparently not.
"It's going to feel good to go and whip somebody's you know what," the usually good-natured Henderson said.There was a pause, and when reporters started laughing, tackle Richard Seymour leaned in from the next locker and said, "He isn't laughing."
"I wasn't laughing," Henderson said. "I hope he goes and puts it on his bulletin board, too. ... They better bring it. That's all I gotta say. Put that on the bulletin board, too."
- Vittorio Tafur, San Francisco Chronicle
Apparently Henderson wasn't particularly happy with the way the Jaguars released him. It wasn't that the released him, but how. Now he's ready to stick it to the man. The man being Jack Del Rio.
"I want them to run all day," he said. "Run the power. Run the weak. Run all that to me when I'm in the game. I hope he sees when I'm in the game. Please, run it. I'm telling him this, right now: Run it."
- Vittorio Tafur, San Francisco Chronicle
Quentin Groves and Kirk Morrison haven't really let on that this isn't any more than just another game for them. Neither has former Jaguar, Khalif Barnes, or former Raider, Slade Norris, for that matter.
But know that when John Henderson is in the game, he'll be playing inspired football.
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Well.... Hope he lines up in front of Vinny...
I´ll enjoy watching how he pancackes him!
Inspired, Big Hen?
Nice job in Cleveland last year Johnny.
You’ll lay down just like your college roommate Albert did in Washington. He will probably pull a Sapp, play a poorly embarassing game and get himself ejected.
Emotion is one thing
Talent is another. He’s having a good year and I’m really happy for him, but I don’t buy into this whole “I’m gonna play better against you guys because you’re my former team and that makes me angry” stuff. The Jags will try and run it, so we’ll see what happens on sunday.
Do we still applaud him for making a play? hahahahahaha
he might get a boo from me now
frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba
"I'm smacking you with the truth......" - Me
I never thought it was a good idea
to applaud him for making a play.
If he’s announced when the come on the field, sure. But if he makes a big play, no way. That would be a slap in the face to whoever he beat on the play.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
Yeah I was just going to stay quiet.
Crazy how a couple sentences can change your perspective. I officially have no love for John on Sunday.
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+1 frank
idk how the release situation was handled but when anyone says that about my team we need to man up and shut his fat mouth! vinny with the pancake and MJD with the trampede over his 320 lb belly.
by harveyismyboy on Dec 9, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
And same goes to them
We’ll be daring them to try to run right at Pot Roast and Alualu.
I’m not worried about Big John, needless to say about Quentin “Trip over myself” Groves. In fact, i think everyone is strangely overhyping their team, i might be alone, but i don’t think they are as good as people are making them. We will see on sunday.
"Do I need to be liked? Absolutely not! I like to be liked, I enjoy being liked, I have to be liked. But it's not like this compulsive need to be liked...like my need to be praised." Michael Scott
I feel the same way
Big John has 5 tackles in the last three weeks, including ONE tackle last week against San Diego. He is acting like he is still in his prime and is going to rack up a bunch of tackles and shut MJD down.
exactly...
and he actly like the team/coaches dont know how to game plan for him/ take him out of the scenario, im pretty sure at this day and age, vini can handle him 1-on-1
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
Sounds to me
it is more bad blood from Big Hen “toward” JDR than it is “between” any two people, much less teams. I don’t expect either team to get caught up much in any hype, certainly not the Jags. Could be some interesting close quarters combat between former teammates, though.
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by unhipcat on Dec 9, 2010 3:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I guess BigHen didn't get the memo.
The roster is 100% controlled by Gene Smith. His release was not Jack’s call.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
MJD
Might just run between his legs and he won’t notice.
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I think that we are not over-hyping more just pointing out that we can not overlook them.
Hey, if they win this game we will share the same record.
very true my friend!
raider fan here, i love his spirit, and motivation but this game is so much more than just one man vendetta against his former coach.
I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Dec 9, 2010 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
it makes him play worse.guranteed. 79= stupid number
hehe!
by harveyismyboy on Dec 9, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
By the way
Henderson is not the 1st great ex-Jag who shoot comments like these for his ex-team. I don’t like that trend. He’ll be fired I’M 100% sure; and that is not a good thing for this game. That defense scares me without Big John already….
Plus i don’t know if you noticed but Vinnie was limited yesterday and DNP today; so he’ll play (IF HE PLAYS) banged up. Marcedes Lewis has a thumb injury; Zach Miller didn’T practiced today all of sudden. Not good signs folks; not at all….
This game will be the dogfight I expected from the Titans game. And opposite to the Titans last week; these guys; (leading with Big John) will come here to PLAY and win.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Dec 9, 2010 6:45 PM EST reply actions
Thats true Zoltan! We have been in the doldrums of mediocrity so long its refreshing to finally have ameaningful game in december..
By the by, over at S@BP we had a thread detailing the common aspect of our teams, even on defense. You guys play a man defense right? Our DB’s play bump-and-run, how bout your team?
I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Dec 9, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
i agree zoltan to a point
dont get carried away dude Henderson is old and sucks now. one old man yelling and shooting his mouth isnt any cause for concern. theyre 26 or something against the run. they may have seymour but i trust our line more than any other to plow these guys on sunday and im convinced theyre flying cross country all confident thinking were a small market no good team and were gonna truck the crap out of them with MJD. they havent faced a player like MJD. Jamaal Charles? cmon. Nobody in the NFL has Maurice’s body. The Raiders are in over their heads and they dont even realize it
by harveyismyboy on Dec 9, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
???? Then why are you guys just 7-5?
Not trying to start anything but to say we are in over our heads is a gross over-statement. Small market?? really dude?? Put that card away man lol!!!! As if we earned a right to call any team small market after the last 10 years we had, but i respect your opinion about my team no doubt, but understand we’re coming with the mindset that we have no room for error these next 4 games. the Jags are almost guaranteed Div winners by virtue of the Colts, Texans amd Tenn sucking balls.
Autumn Wind
I want to be the modern day version of Super Mario Brothers!!! Dont care for *shrooms*, but would love to *get large* and *spit fire*...unless im constantly told "thanks, but your girl is in another castle". That would rate a 8.9 on the ole *Suck-ometer*!!!
by Kobe Won Kenobi on Dec 9, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dont be fooled by the 26th against the run stats because stats dont mean shit.
Were not 26 against the run because we have a bad D-Line. If we did we wouldnt be leading the NFL in sacks. Many of the 100 yard rushers that we had against us hasnt been because they ran all over us, it was a result of one defensive breakdown that led to a long run for a TD. You will have a very hard time running against us just like we will as well, but what it will come down to will be on 3rd conversion. The team that wins the turnover battle & converts on obvious 3rd down passing situations and keeps drives alive will be the winner.
Anyone can be a fan of a winning team, supporting your team when its down is what makes you a true honest fan.
How do you say stats don't mean shit
Then throw out your sacks stat? Wipe the face paint off, the fumes aren’t helping you make sense. And just because you have a bunch of sacks doesn’t mean you can defend the run. Pass yes, run not so much. Some personnel is better against the run, some better against the pass. You guys are the latter. Jags run for over 200 against a sluggish, jet lagged d-line that’s better suited for a passing attack. We ain’t the Chargers so don’t get too hyped patting yourself on the back
by JohnnyBiceps on Dec 10, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Groves
Got moved to SAM linebacker. He is playing pretty well. I’m happy to see him do well somewhere with him being an Auburn man
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If I were Jack......
I would have a plan for David to audible if he lines up and John is in the game to a run play right at him. I can not stand trash talk. Football is the one game more than any other where your emotions and feelings can be expressed on the field. If your such a bad man John Henderson, then why don’t you start for your current team, and why were you replaced by younger guys on your old team that do a far better job than you did when you were here. You want a chance to be a big man, well Sunday you get your chance. Bury his fat ass and run right over him!
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While it’d be funny, no way Del Rio does a “Longest Yard”. There’s a lot of pride when you are a hot property and then when you’re no longer wanted it hurtsm, but it seems like Big John is forgetting his part in why he is no longer a Jag.
That being said, we don’t need anyone getting a kill shot on David. He goes down, we’re sunk. What I’d like to see is an efficient 15 for 20 185 yards passing and a TD or 2 NO PICKS and maybe a few rushes in there.
You misunderstood......
I do not want to audible to a QB sneak, I want a run play where Greg Jones, followed by MJD run right at him, after the line has knocked him 3 yards off the ball. I do not want a kill shot on David either, but if I was a Jaguar, I would want a kill shot on Big John. He needs to learn to keep him mouth shut. We need to teach him that!
I gotcha
I see your point. I understand. Thing is with Big John, he don’t get it, never will. The organization was more than accomodating to him through all of his off field drama.
All I’m sayin’ is he didn’t mind cashing those checks all those years.
he nees to learn...
its nothing personal its just buisness. These players after getting old, and dont have exactly what they used to, and are asked to move on take it personal…..your in the wrong buisness if you take being replaced because of age personal.
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
i know Johns a big ugly dude
but i wouldnt say that stuff knowing I gotta line up across from a beefy mean all-pro Hawaiian/Samoan? either way, Vinny is one intimidating big dude! i bet vinny could talk some mean smack if he wanted
by harveyismyboy on Dec 10, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
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