When Will Gene Smith Be Addressing Quarterback In The Jaguars 2010 Draft?
In 2003 the Jaguars, then led by Shack Harris, decided Mark Brunell was no longer capable of leading the team. Coming off a season in which Brunell had his highest QB rating since 1998 (85.7), Harris took Byron Leftwich with the number eight pick in the draft. During a week three loss to the Indianapolis Colts, Brunell was benched in favor of Leftwich and the rest is history.
Ever since that dark day the Jaguars have struggled finding a signal caller. To further compound the issue they have refused to utilize the draft, bringing in cast off free agents such as Cleo Lemon and Todd Bouman or undrafted players in Paul Smith. The following chart shows Coughlin and post Coughlin drafting with respect to quarterback.
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Coughlin |
Post-Coughlin |
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1995 Rob Johnson USC – Rd 4 |
2003 Byron Leftwich Marshall – Rd 1 |
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1998 Jonathan Quinn MTSU – Rd 3 |
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2002 David Garrard East Carolina – Rd 4 |
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What adds insult to injury is that Johnson netted a first and fourth round pick in a trade with Buffalo with which the Jaguars acquired Fred Taylor and Tavian Banks, while Garrard stands as the starter today. Whether in trade value or on field production, the Coughlin era is the sole repository of success. Simply put, the recent failure to recognize and draft available young quarterback talent has been colossal.
With a fan base, and coaching staff, questioning whether Garrard can be "elite" enough to make this team a winner, Gene Smith must bring in someone who can either push or replace David. The big variable is when to pull the trigger based on BAP and value. Unlike the Colts who aren't concerned that Curtis Painter will need to step in anytime soon, Jacksonville is in "re-tooling" mode.
Let's look at some winners and losers over the past five years to see what historically has proven accurate in drafting a quarterback.
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2004 Draft – 17 Quarterbacks taken |
4 of 5 QBs taken in rounds 1 and 3 (none taken in round 2) have been solid Pro Bowl selections and successful starters: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger and Matt Schaub. Only 1st rounder J.P. Losman has been a bust. No QB taken after Schaub is an impact player. |
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2005 Draft – 14 Quarterbacks taken |
Apart from 1st rounder Aaron Rodgers, this draft has produced marginal QBs at best. Jason Campbell (1) and Kyle Orton (4) have been serviceable while Matt Cassel (7), Ryan Fitzpatrick (7) and Pro Bowler Derek Anderson (6) have been "one and done". Alex Smith (1) has not lived up to the selection. |
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2006 Draft – 12 Quarterbacks taken |
Thought to be talent rich, this draft has disappointed. Included are first rounder Vince Young (Pro Bowl and OROY), Matt Leinart and Jay Cutler (Pro Bowl). Nothing beyond them is worthy of comment. |
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2007 Draft – 11 Quarterbacks taken |
Even less talent than 2006. JaMarcus Russell (1) and Brady Quinn (1) are busts. Only Kevin Kolb (2) and Trent Edwards (3) have shown promise. |
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2008 Draft – 13 Quarterbacks taken |
Too early to judge but thus far this there are some stand outs in Matt Ryan (1), Joe Flacco (1) and Chad Henne (2). Big names such as Brian Brohm (2 to GB), John David Booty (5 to Minnesota) and Dennis Dixon (5 to Pittsburgh) are limited due to the starter ahead of them. |
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2009 Draft -11 Quarterbacks taken |
Again, too early to call. Matt Stafford (1), Mark Sanchez (1) and Josh Freeman (1) had their moments (some more than others). Pat White (2) looks to be a reach that won’t work out. Save a brief stint by Nate Davis (5 to SF) there isn’t a single player who has made an impact. |
This leads us into the 2010 draft. I am not here to do a draft breakdown of the top candidates. Apart from the big names, most of us probably have not seen the likes of Sean Canfield, John Skelton or Jarrett Brown enough to gain direct knowledge of their skill set. For all candidates, however, there are questions as to arm\mental strength, health, size and system. Additionally this draft does not present itself as deep so if you're going to pull the trigger in round one you had better have done your homework.
What this means is the "In Gene We Trust" mantra will surely be tested in April as there could be multiple ways to go. Linebacker, defensive back, defensive end, defensive tackle, wide receiver and quarterback may all be available at 10\11. The bottom line, and the most important question, is that of value. Where you take the player is done not only with respect to your value board but also where you expect other's value him. Maurice Jones-Drew, for example, could have gone in round one but knowing he wasn't on anyone's radar made him a great value pick in round two.
If Smith has a QB at the top of his board as BAP, what does the quarterback position offer? Here is a side by side comparison of what two draft sites show as their list of top 10 quarterback candidates.
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Jimmy Clausen – Notre Dame |
Sam Bradford – Oklahoma |
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Sam Bradford – Oklahoma |
Jimmy Clausen – Notre Dame |
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Colt McCoy – Texas |
Tim Tebow – Florida |
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Dan LeFevour – Central Michigan |
Dan LeFevour – Central Michigan |
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Tim Tebow – Florida |
Tony Pike – Cincinnati |
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Tony Pike – Cincinnati |
Jarrett Brown – West Virginia |
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Jevan Snead – Ole Miss |
Colt McCoy – Texas |
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Jarrett Brown – West Virginia |
John Skelton – Fordham |
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John Skelton – Fordham |
Jevan Snead – Ole Miss |
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Sean Canfield – Oregon St. |
Sean Canfield – Oregon St. |
Of the players listed above, most mocks show three grading out as first round picks, with McCoy probably falling into round two. Where the remaining fall is purely speculative but the expectation is that rounds three through five will be active. This means that the Jaguars may find themselves in the throes of the QB rush when their next pick comes around.
As the Jaguars presently do not have a second round selection, and with so many needs on defense, the onus is on Smith to ensure his scouting is accurate. This may afford him the option to trade down. When asked about Clausen and Bradford being "bait" he commented:
We’d certainly entertain the possibility of acquiring more picks
If Clausen is there he still might be considered. Playing under Charlie Weis is a big plus and if you look at the quarterbacks who have been successful over the past six years, they mostly came from a college which ran a pro style offense.
Bradford is a different story. Considering he enters the draft coming from a spread offense and a weaker arm, along with his injury, this adds to the risk\reward upon which the Jaguars simply cannot gamble.
Yet, if it does play out that Smith passes on any scenario to take a first pick QB, how do the odds favor later success? Unfortunately, as shown above, selecting a quarterback later in the draft doesn't usually afford one starting talent. Of those presently starting in the NFL, only 10 of 32 players listed as quarterbacks with stats per ESPN were selected after round two.
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Round 1 |
18 |
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Round 2 |
4 |
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Round 4 |
2 |
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Round 6 |
3 |
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Round 7 |
2 |
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Undrafted |
3 |
That being said, if the scouting is quality your late round selection may be quality. Of those 10 taken after round two, eight have quarterbacked teams to the playoffs.
Some may say that there are more pressing needs than quarterback and that the young talent around David is sufficient to make him successful. I would counter that it doesn't matter if there is talent around David. If the value is there you take the quarterback. We all have seen how drafting for need has all but crippled this team.
At this point, if the mock drafts are accurate, it doesn't appear Jacksonville will go quarterback in round one. Even more telling are the words of Gene Smith himself.
I hope we can match best available player with some areas on defense where we need improvement. There’s a good likelihood we might be able to do that.
But he was also quick to note:
Once we conclude that (the draft board), we really start to build our value line, regardless of position.
I can't help but look at this draft class in comparison to 2005, with Clausen being 2010's Aaron Rodgers. However, I'll defer any final decision until after the combine when those with more scouting experience can give me guidance. What does seem evident is that 2010 is not 2004 and that Jacksonville may not see the quarterback position addressed until round four or later.
- Brian Fullford
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So you're going to keep it to yourself? :)
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by Brian Fullford on Feb 23, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Viator has been campaigning for Tebow hard on this site
I’d assume that’s who he meant.
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Ah
If we can trade down to get a second, I’d take Tim in the 4th.
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Yes
That should satisfy everyone
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Gene Frenette's take on Tebow/Jaguars
“Jags will only draft Tebow if he falls to third round and they secure extra draft picks by trading down out of 10th or 11th spot. Very small chance of Tebow playing in his hometown. More likely destination is New England bec. they have extra picks and established QB. Tebow is a 2-year project and its hard for Jags to wait that long if Garrard doesn’t kick it up a notch next season.”
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Sounds about right
Much like Bradfor in my opinion. He is a luxury pick for those with an established QB and picks to spare.
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by Brian Fullford on Feb 23, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Viator.....
Im in 118, row W this year. I told u I’d let u know when it was official. Come by and have a drink sometime, or anyone else for that matter………….
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by Brian Fullford on Feb 24, 2010 6:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
When
Did we ever have Chase Daniel? He has only been on the Redskins and the practice squad of the Saints.
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And you too
Not sure why I put down him as opposed to Paul Smith.
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by Brian Fullford on Feb 24, 2010 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
Ha
I do the same thing. I’ll be thinking of the player, but for some reason another player gets written down.
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Colt McCoy
Won’t be drafted until after the third IMO. If QBs like Nate Davis can fall to the fifth, Colt doesn’t have a shot in hell at going in the first two days.
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At this point I agree
But some mocks have him 1st pick in round 2.
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by Brian Fullford on Feb 24, 2010 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I know where your coming from. I’ve seen him as high as the top ten in round one.
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My personal rankings go...
Clausen
Traffic Cone
Sam Bradford
Snead
Brown
Lefeavour
Tebow
Pike
Cannfield
Skelton
Throw Thaddeus in there somwhere and my rankings are that. After Clausen is the traffic cone, which I would rather have over Bradford. In fact, him and Snead are garbage. I’d put Jarrett Brown after Clausen but I’d get textually raped, so I’ll refrain.
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Just out of curiosity....
Why Thaddeus Lewis and not Riley Skinner? Their stats are pretty similar but Skinner has had more success against big time opponents and big situations. Not criticizing or anything but as a Wake homer I’ve noticed that Lewis name keeps coming up and Skinner is completely ignored. They seem so similar, similar stats, same conference, similar style, etc. why no WFU love?
And please no Clausen or Snead for that matter.
Ha
Me wanting Thad is a joke when I talk about QBs. I would like to draft him, but its kind of turned into an inside joke on the site.
I wouldn’t be against grabbing Skinner. I agree that he has some potential, at least as a backup. I met him this summer, real chill guy. Plus he is from J-Ville, so it cures the Tebow fetish as well.
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My rankings are
Clausen
Sam Bradford
Lefeavour
Tebow
Pike
Mccoy
Snead
Skelton
Brown
Robinson
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I might take Pike
as a backup QB for the future…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 24, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
In what round?
We have bigger needs to worry about than the backup quarterback of the future. Isn’t McCown like 25?
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Clausen looks like a cry baby.......
You ever meet someone you just don’t like, even without talking to them? Ladies and gentlemen………….Jimmy Clausen………………lol. He may be a real stand-up guy, but he doesn’t look the part.
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Brady Quinn is
A cry baby. I don’t think Clausen is a prima donna, at least not yet. I’m waiting for the draft to show that.
As a player though, I’m a fan. I think he could be one of the top five QBs drafted in the last five years if things turn out right for him, and not like things did for Kyle Boller.
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“Now I’m done!”
That is probably the stupidest, douchiest commercial ever.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Feb 24, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
"Taken within thirty minutes of my workout"
I agree, Quinn is a tool.
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i dont think.......
Gene drafts a QB until rd 4, unless Wayne tells him to pull the trigger. I’d love for Tebow to come here, but if we draft like we did last year except on defense……..I’m all for it. It would be a f***** miracle if we could draft #15 in Rd 4. And yes, I signed the petition………lol.
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Garrard
If our only line could protect him… He’d keep up with his end of the bargin. Terrible defense and a inept offensive line, what can you expect? Most of the mistakes he makes are because it’s up to him and only him to win games. JDR should extract his head from his anus!
We have all expressed our opinions on Garrard.
His production is clearly defined by the talent around him. When the talent isnt there he is not good enough to carry us but when the team has playmakers he holds his own. Hes a durable guy with good athleticism and heart but he is not elite. Our best case scenerio for the draft is to trade back for more picks and trust in Gene to draft BAP, even if it isnt a QB. He will fix the QB problem one way or another soon enough.
Very good article Brian
To tell the truh; I dion’t like 90+% of the QBs this year. I better boost the defense and the O-line this year; and next year I would pick 1 of the Locker; Ponder; Stanzi; Mallett; Keenum group-THEY ARE LOOK BETTER then MOST OF THIS YEAR QBs….
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 24, 2010 5:24 AM EST reply actions
Thanks for understanding the "errors"
I has writing this while on project calls and thought my editing skills found any overlaps with the multiple versions I had written.
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Picking a QB for the current Jags is simple......
All Gene has to do is find a guy that can produce elite numbers with poor offensive line play…simple enough. David is plenty good enough to get us where we need to go, but we have got to give him time in the pocket and have a good run game, which MJD will give us with good blocking. Guys, guys, guys, don’t pass judgment on David when he is in a no win situation. If we can get a good QB in the draft, or through other channels, by all means get him, but not at the expense of fixing the problems that will plague any QB in the Jaguar pocket! And by the way, this is a good article!
No, he might get too many tears in the drinking water
That was a cheep shot, and uncalled for, but I could not resist. He is a great guy, and a great athlete, just not what the Jags need in my opinion!
You mean - you don't want the 'poor man's' Dan LaFeavor??
This may not be the year to draft a QB – frankly, I think it’s a weak class for NFL caliber QBs. I’m sure someone will pop up, but who that is I don’t know.
We do need a QB but other needs are more pressing. DG is servicable, but I fear he’s not the guy to lead us to the promised land. For me that means SB champs — just making into the playoffs cuts it for some – but not I.
I can agree with you....
Look at these numbers that I just found real quickly about 2 of the most elite passers in this league:
Peyton Manning: 10 sacks this year for a total of 74 yards
Drew Brees: 20 sacks this year for a total 135 yards
Compare this to David at 42 sacks for a total of 236 yards….hard to be elite when you are on your back!
Your point about his eliteness is valid though because Farve was sacked 34 times this year, and sure seemed to get the job done! I guess I am just saying that before we can get an accurate reading of David, and before we put a big money investment on the field, lets fix the line problems.
The Jaguars have had line issues
But I strongly believe that the sack numbers of David Garrard are inflated by Garrard himself. He doesn’t feel the pressure and he often times runs right into it. Peyton’s line gets overrated because of his lightning quick release.
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by Adam Stites on Feb 24, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Your point is valid.....
But as a QB (which I never have been), it would seem like it would be hard to develop that 6th sense of “feeling” the rush when you do not have confidence in the guys in front of you. Again, I am not trying to put him in a league with Manning. Maybe it is physical ability he is lacking, or maybe it is his level of preparedness, but I just don’t see him as the biggest Jag problem, but yet it continually comes up on this site that getting replacements for David, and some of the other “skilled” players will make it all better. I am just not of that opinion, though if a great find can be had during the draft; the Jags would be foolish to pass that up!
he absolutely does hold onto the ball to long at times and he has had line issues
My main issue with DG has been his inconsistent play. We’ve seen the flashes of potential and that’s the big tease with him. He can throw the mosy beautiful pass one play and throw a worm burner to a wide open WR the next. You just don’t know with him.
IMHO – his best game (in his career to date) was last year vs the Titans at home. He was awesome and the reason he was awesome was he was consistent. The Tits were loading up against the run and he made them pay big time — so much so that the game was over at halftime.
His inconsistency really shined through in his game against the Colts. For 3 qtrs, again he was awesome -then the bottom fell out and he couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. Just one more score against a porous Colts D was all that was needed, but he was big time overthrowing open WRs in the 4th qtr.
IIRC
In that Colts game you talk about, the Colts were resting much of their defense for most of the game but all the starters came in for the 4th quarter when the game was on the line. Look at the tape and you’ll see he had a lot more time to throw at the beginning of the game than he did at the end.
no excuse.......
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i didnt say that......
There was absolutely no reason for us to lose that game. He had ample time to throw and rushed the pass. That interception was completely unacceptable. The coverage was as bad as it was all game and the pass rush wasn’t any faster. No excuse…….
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hey wasnt he on Jersey Shore?
LMAO
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Good call!
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by Brian Fullford on Feb 24, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
I wish they would use this picture on ESPN when he comes up for draft talk....
it would have to knock him down a round or two…and great call on Jersey Shore (the single worst reality show ever)!!!!!
Deuschtastic
please don’t draft this guy!!
by BigDCatsFan on Feb 26, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Jimmy Clausen... somebody please explain this to me???
The Irish were 6-6 this year and have sucked the last few years. Is all the hype on this guy based from his stats (which are good)? I don’t know – I don’t watch Irish football. I just think if this cat was that great the teams record would reflect it a little better. Was he up for the Heismen this year? I thought it was Winchester McCoy in the balloting? This isn’t a case of an over zeolous press? I didn’t hear much on this guy until they started talking about kicking out Fat Man.
Judging Quarterbacks
By wins is a bad stat, in my opinion. Clausen can’t get out there and play defense and special teams, or even control every move of his players on offense.
Yeah, his stats are pretty really good. In 2009 he threw for 3700 yards(in 12 games, Notre Dame didn’t go bowling) 28 TD’s with only four picks. Also ran for 3 touchdowns, playing with a hurt toe all year, which also effects his passing immensely.
The reason he is hyped because he is without question the best quarterback in the draft, much better than Bradford. Mark my words, Bradford will turn out to be garbage.
I think we have recently seen that quarterbacks who get themselves into Heisman top four these days are spread, coloring book offense QBs. Tebow, Bradford, McCoy, Daniel, you name it. Last pro style QB to win it was Leinart.
Yeah, Weis needed to go. He looked like a duck limping around with his beer belly and an ACL cast on the sideline.
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thanks -
his timing looks good – looks to have a feel for the defense pressure. Ball sails on him a little.
No prob. bro.
It did sail on downfield throws at times, your right. This was mainly the result of having a nearly broken toe all year, which prevented him from fully stepping into his long balls.
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I've heard Tebow is working on a new grip and throwing motion....
…how about he just put his bible down.
Seriously?
Chuck Norris would disapprove of your statement. He might even roundhouse kick some sense into you. On that note, you’ve reminded me of who my favorite martial artist is.
Vae Victis!
Haha
FYI to every one, its douche.
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