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Were Shack Harris' first round selections really as bad as them seem?

The drafting by former Jaguars GM Shack Harris left much to be desired. His first three first round picks are no longer with the team and are now either out of the league or back ups. The only pick who has shown any signs of reaching the potential of a first round pick has been TE Marcedes Lewis.   However, hind sight is always 20/20. Did those picks make sense at the time of drafting them, regardless of what happened afterwards?

2003: Bryon Leftwich, QB, Marshall

Very simple here, the most common pick during a regime change is at quarterback. Bryon was a top 10 player on almost everyone's board so it made sense that the Jaguars would select him. However, this would set the new regime off to a bad start from the get go, with reports Jack Del Rio wanted to take Arizona St DE Terrell Suggs.

My Take: The pick of Byron Leftwich typifies the draft philosophy of Shack Harris, grab great athletes and hope they'll be good football players. The injury concerns and poor mechanics that so heavily influenced Leftwich's stay here in Jacksonville were there to see for everyone. However, his ICBM launcher of an arm was too much to pass up. Either way, it was a sound pick when it was made. The Jaguars had to distance themselves from the Coughlin era and no easier way than to try to get a franchise quarterback.

Star-divide

2004: Reggie Williams, WR, Washington

In a surprise move, the Jaguars took Reggie Williams with the 9th pick in the draft in 2004. With the release of Keenan McCardell and an aging Jimmy Smith, their was certainly a need to grab a top tier WR. However, not only was Reggie Williams not a top tier WR, their were much better players on the draft board.

My Take: Here we have the most glaring example of Shack Harris going strictly after a need rather than anything else. In the 15 picks following Reggie Williams, 7 became Pro Bowlers. Not to mention only Michael Clayton and JP Losman are the only one's who could really be labeled busts. If there is ever a pick that continues to haunt this organization, it's this one.

2005: Matt Jones, WR, Arkansas

The Jaguars managed to almost get into the playoffs, however, the pass game was still a weakness. In a "swing big" moment, the Jaguars grabbed the biggest enigma in the draft. Matt Jones than proceeded to become known for a non-existent work ethic and later a fondness for Columbian Bam Bam.

My Take:  A "swing big" pick that could've paid off for the Jaguars. Jones was one of the most intriguing prospects in the draft because of his raw numbers and competent showing at the combine. However, Roddy White's selection just 6 picks later makes this another bust.

2006: Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA

With the Jaguars passing game still in need of trying to find an identity, particularly in the post-Jimmy Smith world, the Jaguars grabbed the 2005 Mackey Award winner. Lewis was noted for his terrific pass catching skills and ability to become a Tony Gonzalez clone.

My Take: Now that Lewis has begun to show his pass catching ability, it seems this pick is going to pay off. While Nick Mangold and several other players were taken after Lewis, if Lewis does become a legit passing threat than this pick gets a pass.

2007: Reggie Nelson, S, Florida

In one of the most controversial draft days in recent history, the Jaguars traded out of the 17th position to the 21st, and eventually took Reggie Nelson. However, it's remembered more for passing on Notre Dame QB Brady Quinn twice.

My Take: It's not passing on Quinn that gives this pick a failing grade, because does anyone think the Jags would be better off with Quinn? It's trading out of the 17th position and passing on S Michael Griffith, who already has made the Pro Bowl.

2008: Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida

My Take: Real simple, this is another "Swing big" moment for Shack, and this time he swung with two strikes.

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To answer with 1 word: Yes!

With the exeption (which making the rule stronger) Marcedes.

Life without knowledge is death in disguise

by Zoltan from Budapest on Feb 25, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

I only have hope for Marcedes. I guess I kind of hope Reggie Nelson does really well this year or he may be shown the door to another team. As for Byron, it should be ICBM (Inter Continental Ballistic Missile) instead of ICMB… hehe

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by cuffs007 on Feb 25, 2010 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

After I took off my teal glasses

in the middle of 2008 I decided, yes, those picks were that bad.

As I pointed out here these are the players that have been passed up by the Jaguars, most picked immediately after Shack’s picks.

2003: Jordan Gross, Kevin Williams, Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant
2004: Dunta Robinson, Ben Roethlisberger, Jonathan Vilma, Lee Evans, Tommie Harris
2005: Mark Clayton, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, Chris Spencer, Roddy White
2006: Nick Mangold, Joseph Addai
2007: Brady Quinn, Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Meriweather, Jon Beason

Tackle (until this past draft), Defensive Tackle, Defensive End, Corner, Safety, Quarterback, Wide Receiver, Center…just about every position the Jags need an upgrade at have been passed up. I realize hindsight is 20/20, but these guys were drafted immediately after our picks…

I’d love to see Jordan Gross, Jonathan Vilma, Aaron Rodgers, Nick Mangold, and Jon Beason as Jaguars. How different would the 2010 team be if Shack/JDR had hit big on at least 1 of those picks?

There are only about 4 or 5 guys that I can say are honestly great picks by Shack, and none were 1st rounders: Rashean Mathis, Daryl Smith, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Vinnie Manuwai (pre-ACL). As much as I admire Marcedes’ blocking has he been a game changer? More often than not no. I realize not every 1st rounder works out but damnit Shack sucked (and Del Rio depending on what you read).

Play it safe early, swing for the fences late.

off soap box

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Feb 25, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

I have a

Mancrush on Jonathan Vilma. Guy makes plays.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Feb 25, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

He does make plays

but he doesn’t make enough IMO for his price tag. I think his intelligence is his greatest asset. Because he’s actually not as good a tackler as most of our LB’s. And he doesn’t have as much speed as Durant.

by Ewdtrey on Feb 25, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

But he can

Break up a pass. Something Durant has yet to learn ;)

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Feb 26, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

BUT

I think Durant has the ability to, even more so than Vilma.

by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Word

I like Durant as well. I don’t think he is at a probowl level quite yet, but next season he could prove to be.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Feb 27, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes they were!

The idea that guys were rated highly and the picks “made sense” before is a pre-draft view. It was Shack’s job to see the future with these guys. No one ever said it was easy, but for the money involved, the results should be there. This team lives on decisions made at the draft.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!

by DownTownJax on Feb 25, 2010 12:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

were they that bad?

They were pitiful. They were a franchise killer. All this LA talk and ticket sales talk doesn’t happen if JDR gets his way and they draft T. Suggs and follow it up the next year with Big Ben. Two faces of the franchise in back to back years to lead the Jags for 10 years. Then his encore is to trade a slew of picks to the Ravens for Harvey when he could have stayed put and gotten Flacco. I’ve been saying it since ’04, Shack had no clue, ruined this franchise and Weaver was asleep at the wheel for letting it go on as long as it did.

by jagsrealist on Feb 25, 2010 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Yes - with the crescendo debackle being 2008

for the simple fact that basically the entire draft was squandered away big time — horrible move at the time and was duely noted.

by OGN on Feb 25, 2010 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

I hate Shack…

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by floridafalcons#63 on Feb 25, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

This deserves a rec

and it gets one from me.

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
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by TheTealDeal on Feb 25, 2010 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

Horrible drafting really set this team back

When you’re a small market team that relies heavily on the draft on building a team, and you keep striking out with most of your picks, you deserve to lose your job.

by JagsAlex87 on Feb 25, 2010 10:18 PM EST reply actions  

We should do a mock

with picks Shack would make side by side with picks Gene would make. That would be kind of entertaining to me. But it has to be done right. No on purpose bad picks by Shack. But rather just change philosophies.

by Ewdtrey on Feb 25, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

With the 10th overall pick the 2010 Shack Harris Jaguars select

Jason Paul Pierre, DE, USF

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Feb 26, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Or:

Jacksonville would trade up two spots, give up a 3rd or 4th and target Haden.

by alwaysforgiven821 on Feb 26, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The Jags are already missing a 2nd and 7th

This team needs young, talented guys at all positions not just corner. Just trading up a couple of picks would mean that the Jags would have a 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th (IF one of the teams ahead of the Jags would go for 1st round swaps plus a 3rd).

There is plenty of talent in this draft, and falling in love and “chasing” a guy normally doesn’t have very good results. “If we could just get this one player” think isn’t healthy (ie 2008)….

Wait, I just realized that this was “What would Shack Harris Do” thread…Nevermind, I’m an ass that can’t read :)

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Feb 26, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So who we gonna pick?

How does the upcoming draft look their in Jacksonville? It’s hard to get any news about the Jags here in Texas.

by BigDCatsFan on Feb 25, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

To be honest

I don’t think anyone outside the organization knows. haha
With a the GM picking the best player available, its almost impossible to make any predictions until just before our pick.
I expect lots of defensive players early on, especially defensive linemen. And probably a QB somewhere in the draft.

by Ewdtrey on Feb 26, 2010 4:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we all have a pretty good idea who the first 5 picks will be.

From there it gets a little tricky but I think we all should be able to narrow it down to 3 guys, thats unless we trade down.

by JagSoldier on Feb 26, 2010 5:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of trade downs

The Chargers have absolutely no one at RB, maybe they’d get our 10th spot and draft Spiller

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
Winner of the 2010 Chad Pennington Award

by TheTealDeal on Feb 26, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

From most of the mocks I've seen:

Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
Tim Tebow, QB, UF
Joe Haden, CB, UF (If he falls, he’s a top 5 talent)
Rolando Mcclain, MLB, Alabama
Jason Pierre-Paul (a.k.a. JPP), DE, South Florida
Brian Price, DT, UCLA

or trade back

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
Winner of the 2010 Chad Pennington Award

by TheTealDeal on Feb 26, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

of that group my top 3 in order of preference are
  1. Rolando Mcclain
  2. Trade Down
  3. Joe Haden

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
Winner of the 2010 Chad Pennington Award

by TheTealDeal on Feb 26, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

#1Joe Haden
  1. Trade down
  2. Price
  3. Morgan
  4. Spiller
  5. JPP
  6. McClain
  7. NOT gonna happen lol

by Ewdtrey on Feb 27, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

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