Jaguars' Trade Value: 2010 Draft
by silencecs on Mar 18, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
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Right now, the Jaguars stand with a whopping five picks in this year's deep draft. Will it stay that way, absolutely not. Will anyone want to trade up to the number 10 spot... not likely. But let's forget what we'll do with our first overall pick, and instead focus on our other opportunities to gain draft picks.
Compensatory picks - Gene Smith has had great luck gaining picks, and I think if the Jaguars' get one 7th rounder, it will be a blessing.
Trades: Right now the Jaguars' have numerous opportunities to gain picks for players... Let's look at what we've got.
John Henderson - Obviously, after have a fantastic year, John could possibly fetch a 2nd and a 4th round pick. He is an obvious player teams will be targeting on draft day should their plan to get a DT fall through.
Reggie Nelson - Would you take a late 2nd or early third for Nelson right now? I would. He was a formerr first rounder who has dealt with a different cocoordinator every season since his rookie year, he's got value.
Luke McCown - The Jaguars' literally stole McCown from the Bucs, and if Gene finds a QB he likes who fits BAP, don't put it past him to trade the recently acquired McCown if he can get a 5th or 6th rounder (His true value).
Clint Ingram - The LB falls into the category of being able to be tendered should the Jaguars' want to, and they have decided to give him an original round pick tender, so should another team sign him, the team will immediately receive a third round pick. However, should they re-sign the embattled LB, they wouldn't hesitate to let him go for a 5th or 6th rounder.
Who's your trade bait?
-Collin Streetman
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I would go with Henderson if they can grab a DT….the spot in the 1st, or McCown….then they can grab a QB in the draft and a street QB in FA
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McCown
has no more value than we got for him. If he was worth more than a 6th/7th rounder the Bucs would have gotten it. He’s only less valuable now being that he’s older and his contract is near its end.
Gene trust him- It seems from his recent interviews
“And in Gene we trust!”
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't trade Big John
Consider this…
Ellison, Henderson, Pot Roast, and say…. Dan Williams in a four man rotation…
All four of those guys could go full-tilt boogy every down…. that would be STOUT!
First;
Great to see an article from you Mr. Streetman. “We missed you!” ( with my best “Agent Smith” impovisation).
Second: Compensatory picks the kid who write very good predictions about Extra picks; wrote Jags will get a 6th round for Mike Peterson (if wwe have luck; we might get something for Sensy too…)
3rd: McCown is a lock. Ingram would be nice but who wanna give up a 3rd (exept the Browns maybe; who had a ton of them…)
Nelson is looks like get a last chance in TC-I don’t know why.
Big Hen? He is a mystery; but until the Jags not bring another runnstopper DT; iwould not trade him.
I gave you a name: Groves! He is done I think… I can see a package deal tarde with Him + Nelson/Groves/Ingram for picks. Alone I think exept of Henderson noone is so sexy to be trade for; and the Jags might easily let him go…
Derek Landri would been a guy for that job; but Gene blew it when he cut him… It was one of the very few mistakes made by him!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
Comment, love it, thanks for recognizing how well I called our comp picks last year....
If we take a safety in the first, NElson becomes the prime trade bait, if we take a DT, it becomes henderson… One thing I wouldn’t mind is gaining an extra two to grab Tebow… literally, I am beginning to thinkg a two isn’’t to bad for the kid, but we have to manufacture a second round pick somehow, and I doubt we’ll be able to trade out of the ten spot…
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Speaking of getting a DT in the first
Vic said that according to his value chart, Dan Williams would be the BAP at the 10th position.
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According to his value chart
We should’ve given a little more up so we could trade up and get Vernon Gholston.
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by Adam Stites on Mar 18, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Gholston
I wonder if we could do a straight up trade with the jets: Groves for Gholston. They make the trade because Vernon offers almost nothing in their system and Groves has a chance making in that system and he at least offers special teams value. We make the trade because Gholston fits better as a 43 End, and Groves may end up being 5th on the depth chart after the draft if he makes the team at all.
....wow, I really like that idea.
Groves is not a match for the Jaguars right now. The worst that can happen is the situation remains the same with an unproductive player, and the best that can happen is…awesome.
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by MoveThoseChains on Mar 18, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
You mentioned
That a while back. I’d be in full support of it. Gholston just needs a change of scenery.
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Change
Of system could help as well. Ha. Thats what I meant by scenery.
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Clint Ingram...
…was offered an original pick tender. The Jags can pick up a pick, if a team likes Clint, by choosing not to match any offers.
The two picks for Big John, to me, sound a little ambitious. I don’t think the Jags will trade him, just because we need leadership, but you can’t ignore Brian Price.
As for Reggie Nelson, I’m not the expert on every team’s evaluation process, but I’m pretty sure he’s played himself out of getting the Jaguars anything out of a trade. Let alone a 2nd rounder. Maybe a late 3rd if a team thinks they can help him learn the game.
I think the best chance for a trade is McCown for the late pick. Especially if Gene has a QB in his sites worth a mid to late round pick and he doesn’t need McCown anymore.
Thanks for the info on Clint, I'll adjust the article accordingly.
I think Reggie’s speed and his great rookie year give him more value than you may recognize. He’s not a cover two safety, clearly… but he may get us a late second or early third, like I said… I don’t dispute anything you said though, we just don;t know yet…
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If he
Isn’t a cover two safety, what kind of safety is he?
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Cover 1
Is the 46 defense from 2008. Cover two is what we played in 2007 and 2009. I can’t tell if you’re joking or if you don’t get what I’m saying about coverages.
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I’m on edge today.
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I thought it was a nice one
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Yeah
They had Brian Williams in the box as the SS a lot when Gregg was doing what he wanted to do concerning the scheme. Then Williams moved back to corner, and the 46 fell apart as quickly as it started. I remember being so excited early in the season with the single high safety thing. I just love the 46 defense. Shame we didn’t have the personnel to run it.
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I wish we had
I love that defense.
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In the new NFL
running the 46 is almost impossible, Not to mention we didn’t have the personnel for it anyhow.
On Madden
It’s unstoppable.
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by Adam Stites on Mar 18, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
You have to get to the passer, no doubt. If you had a defense stacked with pass rushers, you could pull it off. But yeah, it would be hard to run the pure 46 100 percent of the time.
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You don't have to have an exotic scheme to have a great defense
Just look at what the Jags did with the 4-3.
Yeah
But when you have something teams don’t see every week, it gives you a big advantage.
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The scheme
Has to be there as well.
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In the 46
Everyone blitzes, so he very well could have been. Also they can change looks and roll coverages so the single high goes and the SS or even one of the linebackers gets the deep single zone.
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Maybe the kind who flourishes in an unorthodox system, sorta of like the Jets...
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My point is, he's got LEGIT speed, and that can't be replaced...
three different d-coordinators in thuree years and lets not forget about the Donnie Henderson experiment… the guy has potential as trade bait, or a guy hwo could have a breakout year…..
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agree
i still want him to have a chance here but i think he would flourish with a high pressure team where he doesnt have to cover much, just make plays(darren sharper)
Thats
Any safety, but I see what you’re saying.
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I'm Saying
He has the tools to be good in a cover 2 or a 46 style defense. The Jets style is unorthodox, but a lot of the coverage is still deep half. With his speed he could play center field in the 46 if he could get his instincts up to shape, maybe with a work ethic. Could easily play cover two being the athlete he is, he just needs to learn to not bite on Peyton Manning’s play action.
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Rashean
Does like to take risks.
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He was very good
when Darius was still around, because he had a reliable safety to watch his back. Now with the current safeties, he can’t be as aggressive without getting burned.
Word
He also did well with Sammy Knight and Nelson covering for him in 2007. Reason he got those pics against Pittsburgh was jumping routes.
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Yeah Reggie
Nelson has about as much value as Gerald Alexander had last year. That means someone about as good as Dennis Northcutt.
I think everyone is writing him off too soon
I still have the belief that Reggie will turn out to be a pretty good player. Lots of work to do, yes, but I really do think we’re writing him off early.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wish Reggie
would work out. He’s got a good story and he’s a local florida boy, but a 2nd or a 3rd – you’re dreamin. He’s a defensive Troy Williamson. maybe a 6th or 7th, if some team doesn’t watch tape on him.
Clint Ingram.
I don’t want a hole @ DL.
I think once Nelson gets the mental aspect of the game down he will excel. I believe he can. JDR and Gene believe he can.
Luke McCown is a good backup. We need to keep him.
agreed, unless we draft someone cheaper and who Gene likes more...
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I don't agree Groves should go either.
This would be only his 3rd year coming into the 2010 season. You don’t give up on young guys like that. Plus I saw plenty of times where Groves was maybe half a step off. He just needs to get stronger and have his technique developed. Cullen will know what to do.
agreed, I look for Groves and HArvey to vastly improve with Monkey-chino gone... this could be a breakout year for both...
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That's why Groves wasn't on my list... I want to see what the new DL coach can do...
Chino was an idiot… I been calling for his head for two seasons straght…
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I think with a new DE is coming via draft he has no place in the roster
He can’t beat out Bryan Smith(Sorry; who?) last year…Jeremy Mincey is also back-who is considered by Lageman a very good DE…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just gonna say
Mincey is probably our 3rd best DE right now.
Also, if Cullen can make Cliff Avril a viable starter he can at least make Groves a viable rotation player.
Kampman; Harvey; Mincey
a new guy via draft.
Then there is Wyche; Bryan Smith and Groves… I see no future for him… Unless he makes so much effort as he doing in twitter…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I know
but he is still on the roster…He was ahead of Mincey (to quote Lageman: " I don’t know how")
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not on the
roster anymore. And the only reason Wyche was ahead of him was because Mincey got put on the IR.
Groves is a liability against the run
How many times did teams run at him last year? He just isn’t strong enough to be an every down DE. That’s his biggest problem.
I think everyone needs to calm down.
Yes we’d love more picks but that won’t make us a SB caliber team over night. Have patience people.
Nelson; Groves and Ingram
are potential trade candidates. Specially the first 2. If Gene can get something(I mean picks) for them; then do it. Yeah; we are not talking about the Superbowl; but Gene can make the roster better with those moves!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If we could get
a second rounder for Reggie Nelson, I think you have to jump on that immediately maybe Mike Smith bc Atlanta needs secondary help or New Orleans who also needs safety help, interesting enough both teams have former Jags D Coordinators, but I think Nelson to Atlanta would make some sense. Yeah getting something for McCown or Groves would be awesome and I don’t think anybody is gonna try and take Clint sadly
First
we can’t get a 2nd rounder for Nelson. Be luckily if we can get 5th. Second, Atlanta already has a good developing FS.
Decoud
Had a decent season. Plus they got my boy Eric Brock backing him up next year. Once a Tiger always a Tiger. WDE.
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1. Bighen is foundation of our D-Line he won’t be trade
2. Luke McCown our coaches like, and he may be competing for the starting position this year.
3. I don’t like Nelson anymore, but he might still have some potential, I would give him this year, and if he doesn’t satisfy us and the coaches, I say he gets the boot.
4. If we draft Ronaldo McClain we should trade Clint Ingram
Pot Roast is the foundation of our line now, think about the future... Big Hen is the past...
If we don’t trade nelson this year, and he fails again, we get no compensation, as he’ll be cut.
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Until we don't have an around same caliber guy at DT
like Henderson; I don’t want to see a trade-unless is a damn good offer! He is needed for now. Next year or if we have a DT in the 1-2 rounds somehow (I know we don’t have ;I hope yet ;a second) I don’T wanna see him go. We saw with a partner how good he can STILL be.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Henderson is on
the decline. Shoot at this age he’s likely to start being injury prone, and then we wont get any compensation. And he isn’t exactly cheap as it is. Trade him while he still has value. This time next year, players like Stanley will be nearly as good as Henderson.
Let remind everyone what happened with Stroud
You must know when you let a player go away; if he has really not much left in the tank. I think Big Hen has at éeast 1-2 good years in him!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
but would you rather have another Knighton that can play for years to come at a much lower price, and on his way up; or would you rather have a player with one or maybe 2 years left in him with an expensive price tag and with an arrow pointing down?
?
I doubt anyone would give a 2nd and a 4th for Henderson…I wish
We might be able to get a washer and dryer for the laundry room for Nelson haha.
Teams aren’t giving up a whole hell of a lot. What did the Browns get for Quinn?
If we don't want the players
Who else will enough to give up picks in a deep draft? McCown is in a good spot as a #2 QB and Henderson is a starter on the D Line. Those are the only two I see any value in if i am another team. I wouldn’t want the Jags to give up picks for players that can’t hold a starting position unless it’s a player that doesn’t fit the scheme.
by Richierich_420 on Mar 18, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
Wow Collin what a discussion you create!
LIFE is on BCC! I like that!
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Mar 18, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
BIG JOHN
i might cry the day that big john leaves duval….u cant help but love when he starts to talk shit to the other team before plays and his dancing when the bass is bumping i love me some big john
however i would have no problem trading away reggie nelson or clint ingram
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