What the Jags should do in the Draft
by LoyalJagfromTX on Mar 9, 2010 8:30 PM EST
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Alright, lets get this straight. We have a pro bowl QB, a pro bowl RB, a promising young offensive line, young promising recieving threats, and no defensive secondary what so ever, and we still want to draft offense? Dez bryant would be nice, i wouldnt mind seeing Tim tebow in a jaguar uniform, but defense wins championships. Our front guys arent bad if they could just develop faster, but our secondary is a joke besides Rashean Mathis and Reggie Nelson. We need to either trade up and draft Eric Berry, draft Joe Haden, or draft Rolando Mclain. The only offensive player i would draft would be C.J. Spiller since we have no legitamite second RB behind MJD. If MJD goes down for the year, can we really win games handing the ball off to rashard jennings and greg jones? I wouldnt think so. He would also help our return game and hes a good passing option out of the backfield. Drafting Eric Berry would be awesome. Having him and Reggie Nelson back there would allow us to blitz more and thus get more sacks. Kampman will make a difference, Harvey will excel due to Kampmans presence, and John Henderson will be back to his old ways. Joe haden would do the same. Now rolando mclain wouldnt cover like berry and haden, but he sure would make his presense felt like them. As long as we draft defense secondary we'll be a playoff team. Thats my take on this draft.
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"Our secondary is a joke besides Rashean Mathis and Reggie Nelson."
Are you serious? Let me rephrase: Our secondary is a joke besides the two starting CBs, and partially because of horrible FS play.
I’m one of the biggest Nelson supporters here. He comes from my high school. But I will not fool myself and think he has been anything but a weak spot for the last two years.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 9, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
“Reggie Nelson is one of the only bright spots?
Really?” SoCalSites
^^^hes right nelson is a bright spot. Derek Cox, is good btw.
by rhettchrystal on Mar 10, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Derek Cox is good.
Reggie Nelson is not.
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Driver of the "Cut Reggie Nelson" Bandwagon.
Winner of the 2010 Chad Pennington Award
i meant to say reggie Nelson ISNT Gerald Alexander btw may not be great(he’s alright) in coverage but he is a great hitter and tackler(we need tacklers).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTTxA4a94Ag
^^2007 Fiesta Bowl Gerald Alexander all over the place. Couldn’t find the one this year hittin the texan WR.(first10 secs is slideshow;rest is highlights)
by rhettchrystal on Mar 10, 2010 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d814becb2/Durant-gets-a-pick
right here got it. It was Anderson that got hit. Gerald hits Durant picks off
by rhettchrystal on Mar 10, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Depending on how you look at it, he’s better then me, Brian Russell, Jaxon DeVIlle, LoyalJagfromTX or my brother back there, and at least better then William James, or you know John Henderson at FS. Loyal does bring up a good thought though, DB in our fan opinion needs to be upgraded, draft-wise…it most likely will, and hey maybe we draft a CB and get back to 1999? Seriously three 1st-round DBs and to the Divisionals at least each year (98,99,07), and you know the whole Rashean Mathis in 03 thing? But yeah Nelson is not a bright spot, he was 86ed by other teams refuse in a manner of speaking
Waber-Jaguar
A Pro Bowl QB?
What was David? 6th in voting, or was he even further down the list? Let’s say it was 6. That means he was the 11-12th in the NFL for Pro Bowl voting. Well, somewhere around there. At the most, I’d say he’s a top 15 QB.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 9, 2010 9:15 PM EST reply actions
Okay. 7th in the AFC
That means there were at least 6 ahead of in in the NFC, too, so… 13th? 13th in Pro Bowl voting? I love David, but don’t fool yourself. He wasn’t a pro bowl caliber QB last year.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 9, 2010 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I know that...
Brees and Farve were for sure. Romo, also, had more votes than Garrard. I’d bet that their are at least to more as well.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 10, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
And...
I agree that Spiller is the only offensive skill player that could be worth a 10 pick, but saying that Rashad Jennings isn’t a legitimate #2 RB is… well, wrong. Are you saying that based on where he was drafted or how he played? He had over 5 yards a carry (5.2) last year, even though he was only handed the 39 times in 15 games. Not really as much as a #2 RB should. But JDR has stated that he hopes to get Rashad more involved, and he really does look like a promising back. Honestly, I think he was the steal of the draft last year. I won’t argue with Spiller being drafted if he is BAP, but to say that we have no legitimate #2 is… well, wrong, in my opinion.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 9, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions
I wouldn't say he
was the steal of the draft yet. And I doubt it going forward. Zach Miller for instance might end up being a better player.
Miller
Has a chance to really shine next year.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Zach Miller played a lot in the clevland game and showed he can play. But I always see our Jags throwing it to him in the endzone and hes always like in the middle of a dive with a guy on his back as soon as the ball gets to him.
by rhettchrystal on Mar 10, 2010 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it does seem
that someone is on his back when he’s trying to make a catch. BTW, that has nothing to do with Garrard, because Garrard is putting it in the perfect place.
"Now rolando mclain wouldnt cover like berry and haden"
Why would a MLB need to cover like a CB or Safety?
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 9, 2010 9:26 PM EST reply actions
To be fair...
We do play against Owen Daniels and Dallas Clark twice a year, so LB coverage skills are a legitimate concern, as are S cover skills.
+1
Unfortunately McClain physically is horrible in coverage. Though his intelligence was good enough in college to make some plays in space though.
Exactly. I don’t see why people are so enamored with him as a 4-3 MLB. His play recognition skills alone won’t be enough to cover the more athletic TEs in the NFL, and he can definitely be schemed out by the offense. Personally, I see him more as a 3-4 ILB. Less to cover, and most plays will stay in front of him, where his tackling and play recognition can excel.
Kampman will make a difference, Harvey will excel due to Kampmans presence
Can you see the future? Cause I can’t.
I digress and apologize. I’m being a jerk, and its rude of me. I appreciate your opinions and point of view, LoyalJag.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Mar 9, 2010 9:28 PM EST reply actions
You guys are funny!
I mean that in a good way, I like the article, and the bashing, I meant comments afterwards. Although I think he began by saying defense needs to be the first pick, then makes a great argument for drafting Spiller in the 1st rd… kind of contradicted his point that D wins championships, but I agree.
I think everyone is a little hard on Nelson. His struggles are well-documented but I see a guy with ridiculous talent that in 3 yrs has had 3 different D-coordinators. His best yr was his 1st with Mike Smith, the Gregg Williams experiment went wrong, and the 3-4 experiment went wrong last year. And don’t forget, no pass rush either.
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
by JagGameFace on Mar 9, 2010 11:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I see a guy
In Reggie Nelson who in three years has progressed to player who can’t tackle. He is not physical, is out of position, pokes at balls plays paddycake with recievers running down the sidelines. 3 years in you shouldn’t be lacking the basic fundamentals of football. That is on Reggie not a d coordinator.
by Slawsc on Mar 10, 2010 12:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we as a fanbase
need to become less deterred by 3 stupid plays to determine the whole career of a player. Yes he made some horrible mistakes. But you can literally count the times he really did something wrong. And we’re letting a little lowlight of his career determine what we think of him. He really played well in a lot of games. On the whole, he needs to play better. No if’s and’s or but’s about it. Basically I’m saying saying he’s closer to being a good safety in this league than people realize.
Even Ed Reed makes about as many boneheaded plays every year as Nelson does. And I’m not even kidding. Seriously, watch him play a stretch of games, and not just the highlights, and you well see a lot of mistakes too(Some of the same weird ones too. Maybe not trying to knock the ball out of Wayne’s hands. But stuff similar to that). Granted the difference is Reed makes a lot more plays on the ball, partially because he’s also trusted a lot more.
agree that hes not as bad as some think
but i think there is a def. problem when a player gets benched in his 3rd year for a guy(anthony smith i think) who was picked up off the street. i would love to see nelson come into his own but the benching for me points down rather than good. hopefully with a pass rush he can produce more
He got benched
because he made a very very poor decision. And he was basically being punished. The fact that he’s still on the team, and no other Safety has been brought in says to me that he has an arrow that is still pointing slightly up.
+1
Ed Reed misses the same amount, if not more, tackles that Reggie misses. He also occasionally screws up and gets burnt, just like Reggie. I agree. I am unimpressed with his showing these past two years, but I don’t hate the guy as a player.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Did Nelson make a single good play last year? Because I don't remember a single one.
I’m not saying I want him gone because of a few plays. I’m saying I want him gone because he flat-out is a bad football player. It doesn’t matter how much natural talent he has if he has no idea how to use it, and he has consistently lacked any willingness to use it or learn how to use it.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 11, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he did
he saved a score in the Jets game. He also caused a interception in the second Colts game. And there are some others.
It doesn't erase just how bad he looked in so many other games.
I’m not eager to ever see that kind of play on the field again, and frankly I just don’t understand why people would expect anything different out of Nelson at this point.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 12, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes
When your name isn’t called as a safety… its a good thing.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Meaning
He may not have made a million plays, but he didn’t have a ton of screwups either.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Sometimes
players with his abilities that have their backs against the wall can sometimes turn things around.
Not saying his good plays atoned for his bad plays, but you questioned if he had any good plays.
I did, and you corrected me.
I just don’t have any faith left in him, and aside from sheer optimism, I don’t know where your faith is coming from. I hope you’re right, but I don’t think you are. I hope he turns it around enough to earn the starting FS spot, but I also think that if he’s the starting FS on opening day, we’re screwed. So we’ll see.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Mar 13, 2010 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I only hope
because I realize it’s a possibility. I think his chances of becoming a pro bowler are bleak, but he has a chance of being a good player.
I believe the D needs the attention this draft. I would love to see some LB brought in and maybe a big ugly for the D-line. I hope that Kampman is the answer we have been looking for since that will address our biggest need.
I am so tired at yelling Nelson’s name out during games usually followed by some choice words.
Berry
Would be awesome. I dont think we can get lucky to have one of the top 3 guys in the draft fall through the cracks to us in a decade, much less two straight years. I guess I can hope, but if i put my hopes in one hand and crap in the other, i also know which one will fill up faster. As long as our roster improves, i dont care who we take.
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We won't
trade UP to get Berry. it’s either stay at 10 or trade DOWN. We only have like what 5 picks to begin with? lol. It was a good article and I liked SOME of the things said like drafting Spiller). But, I agree with a lot of the comments above. Some of your statements were a little off. lol.
The Kampman signing really should help not only Harvey, but the rest of the defense as well. Hopefully now every team we play against won’t be able to pick apart our secondary as we fail to get a jump on their QB.
I personally think drafting Spiller is a mistake, since we have more glaring needs than RB, especially this season. Nelson is a guy that has become the scapegoat for the Jags recent defensive woes, and after his good rookie year I think some of it is warranted, but some should also be put on the lack of a pass rush. I do think the Safety position is one that should be addressed in the draft.
There’s no way Berry falls this low in the draft, but if he does I think the Jags have to jump on him. Taylor Mays might be another great option based on his measurables alone.
Measurables
should be used merely as a red flag, to say, look at this guy again. It’s not made to be a factor for ranking.
Mays
With his size and speed…wouldn’t he make a decent LB? He has some coverage skills and he’d be quick from sideline to sideline. You teach the man to tackle better and “voila!”.
Vae Victis!
I Think
He could play in our scheme. He is best in zone coverage, and he is so fast he could easily cover a deep half.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
That's what I don't get.
He’s certainly fast enough and big enough, but he still gets burned all the time. Don’t know what his deal is.
He didn't
Get burnt at much as not making plays on the ball. He went for the highlight reel hit instead of the highlight reel interception. But yeah, he did get burnt at times. You’d think his recovery speed would be so good no one would be able to get separation for long on him.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I think you're right.
He’s not very disciplined. As for his speed: he was fast, but not very quick or agile. Maybe he was just never trained to be that way, and could be with training, but I think it’s a bit risky.
Word
His change of direction skills aren’t great by any means, which is why I wouldn’t let him play man. But like Deion Sanders said, “You gotta safety that runs a 4.2, I’d be willing to work with him.”
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
BAP BAP BAP BAP BAP BAP
BAP BAP dont draft the pos, draft the player. we had a top 5 d with and running game so lets draft wr, who cares if they are BAP, turned out well aka williams,jones, etc. we need a de so lets trade away half our draft for one de, working out well so far. BAP BAP BAP
Just going off of memory
…but watching all the games the last two years, Nelson gives up when we’re down by four. Second halves, he stops tackling and goes for the big hit or the strip, you can’t be succesful that way. I don’t know how many times it actually happened, but so many plays where he didn’t do the fundamentals I was constantly yelling at my TV about him. Basics, he quits, it’s his way of throwing a fit on the field, we don’t need it, dump him. He seems like he’s got a “T.O.” mentality. If things aren’t going perfect, he complains through his actions on the field.
That’s what I’ve noticed anyway. First post on the site, and of course, it was about Reggie, go figure.
"What are you trying to do, tempt the wrath of the whatever, from high atop the thing?"
by displacedjagfan on Mar 12, 2010 6:46 AM EST reply actions
Well I wouldn't
compare him to TO, that’s for sure. Second I think his mistakes are not coming from a lack of effort or some sort of quitting attitude. He’s just trying too hard to make a play vs just doing his job.
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Hey guys i tried ok lol i just wanted to say everything i had on my mind at once.
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