Not to Spiller: A Case Against Drafting C.J. Spiller 10th Overall
by Adam Stites on Apr 19, 2010 3:39 PM EDT
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PrintIn recent weeks, the Jaguars fanbase and the mainstream media have pondered the idea of C.J. Spiller getting drafted by the Jaguars. In Alfie's most recent post, he discussed the pros and cons of drafting Spiller and he largely focused on the financial reasons why the Jaguars would avoid making the selection. Among the cons he listed, Alfie cited the large contract that would go to a backup and the negative dynamic in the locker room that could come as a result.
I am not going to argue that the Jaguars should avoid drafting Spiller due to any financial reasons. I believe that when finances begin to dictate how a team drafts, the team ultimately hurts itself and sacrifices the full value of the draft. I'm also not going to argue that adding Spiller would hurt the locker room, because I believe Maurice Jones-Drew is enough of a professional to embrace the situation no matter what. What I am going to argue is that C.J. Spiller doesn't represent the value of a player deserving of a top 10 draft pick.
It is simply not worth the 10th pick for a player that wont be a full-time back at the next level. C.J. Spiller presents a dangerous weapon to defenses as a 3rd down back, but his size
In 2009, 13 RBs carried the football for 16 or more carries a game:
| Full Time RBs | |||||
| Player |
Height | Weight | |||
| Cedric Benson - Cin | 5'11 | 225 | |||
| Chris Johnson - Ten | 5'11 | 200 | |||
| Steven Jackson - Stl | 6'2 | 236 | |||
| Thomas Jones - NYJ | 5'10 | 212 | |||
| Adrian Peterson - Min | 6'1 | 217 | |||
| Maurice Jones-Drew - Jax | 5'7 | 208 | |||
| Ryan Grant - GB | 6'1 | 222 | |||
| Kevin Smith - Det | 6'1 | 217 | |||
| DeAngelo Williams - Car | 5'9 | 217 | |||
| Frank Gore - SF | 5'9 | 217 | |||
| Ronnie Brown - Mia | 6'0 | 230 | |||
| Michael Turner - Atl | 5'10 | 244 | |||
| Matt Forte - Chi | 6'2 | 218 | |||
C.J. Spiller stands at 5'11, 196 pounds. His height doesn't appear that it would be a problem in the NFL, but he's significantly lighter than the majority of this group. He would be the only one under 200 pounds. The closest comparison is to the 5'11, 200 pound Chris Johnson, the NFL rushing champion of 2009. C.J. Spiller has been heralded as the next Chris Johnson in the NFL with his elite speed. Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't see it.
Chris Johnson ran a 4.24 40 time at his combine while Spiller's combine time was a 4.37. Spiller has top notch speed, but nothing like the superhuman speed of Johnson. There is a clear risk being taken by any team that feels Spiller is a full time back as he does not fit the mold. In all likelihood, Spiller is nothing but a return specialist or a 3rd down back and in that case you have to question whether or not he's worth a high draft pick. C.J. Spiller presents a dynamic weapon to whatever team drafts him, but in my opinion, he doesn't present enough of an impact to warrant spending a top 10 draft pick on him.
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good one...
but I disagree with you on the finance…no NFL team will have 34+ million on RBs…please show me one that does, lol…That’s just one point. Now the fact that he’s a scat back (basically what you wrote in your article) and not known for running btwn the tackles is scary…people say well Chris Johson (true, he was originally drafted as a change up to LenDale White, but he excelled…)…he was taking in the mid 20’s…I’ll pass and take the BAP at another position, namely defense…
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Iyea I don't know how much $ they make
but Panthers spent 2 first rounders on Jonathon Stewart and Deangelo Williams. It worked out pretty good for the panthers especially in the first year. Having a two-headed monster would do wonders for the offense imo. Looking at the other side-yeah Spiller will get a fat pay check. It’s another reason to trade down. Harvey and Monroe’s Top-10 holdouts don’t help the situation when considering the $.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 19, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Spiller
Let me ask you what RB in today’s NFL can carry the full load? You need to have two RB’s to Share the load. You seem to suggest that Spiller is just a 3rd down back. If that was the case than why does just about every scout have him as a top ten talent? If he was just a situation back than everyone would have him going in say the 3rd round.. The only case or con against drafting Spiller is the money tied up in one position.
Bottom line if he is the BAP Gene will draft him with ALL things considered!
These "BAP" guys, some of them just make the claim of BAP
They’ll say: we have too much money tied up in this or that spot.
or We need this guy over this guy because we have wholes at X position.
If Gene drafts this way, then screw him for feeding up that BAP garbage.
Plus we’re in a uncapped year. You pay your guy or he is going to get paid somewhere else to ram it down your hole.
BAP and money factor
If Spiller is the BAP the Jags will draft him. I do however believe that if their are equal grades on another player the money will be a deciding factor. Bottom line I trust Gene will draft the BAP regardless of money.
the problem is
none of us know how Gene’s board looks so there’s no way we can question whether he sticks to BAP or not. But there’s really no reason for him to lie about it because many GM’s openly admit that they draft for need.
As for the uncapped year, it’s still REAL money to Wayne Weaver and I’d be willing to bet they have a payroll budget that’s less than where the CAP would be if there was one.
Money issue
I agree with what your saying. That’s why the Jags want to get out of the ten spot so bad, along with getting more picks. Unfortunately its the price of doing business. You are going to pay that money to someone it might as well be the BAP. Agree
Compelling argument, but if he's the BAP we have to take him
When the Jags drafted MJD, most criticize the pick the same way b/c of his size & we still had Fred. Who knew a few years later, MJD would be the face of the franchise? When the Vikings drafted A.P. they had a 1000 yd. rusher in Chester Taylor. Same with Chris Johnson, they had just drafted Lendale White in the 1st round.
Point is, you don’t pass on a potential superstar b/c you have one at the position already. We need firepower – worse case scenario we have the 1-2 punch again that we used to have, and one or the other becomes trade bait a couple of years down the line.
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To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
I don't think he's saying that
we shouldn’t draft Spiller because we have MJD. He’s saying that even if we lost MJD Spiller still couldn’t do what Johnson, AP, and MJD are doing. It’s like trying to draft a QB in the top ten even though he can’t make all the throws. Maybe he could be successful, but it’s about projecting and who projects to be the best players for your team.
A lot of people were saying
MJD wasn’t going to be an every downs back either. How’d that work out?
by JohnnyBiceps on Apr 19, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say that
I didn’t say that about Ray Rice either. But Spiller is Rice or MJD. I didn’t think Bush was going to be an every down back, despite what a lot of other people were saying. How did that work out?
Reggie and CJ
Aren’t the same guy either. Bush was Johnny Hollywood since college. Few question the head on CJ’s shoulders. We won’t be seeing CJ on the arm of some reality tv show skank.
by JohnnyBiceps on Apr 19, 2010 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But you can't begin
to question Reggie Bush’s work ethic. He may have come from LA, but he’s always been a football first guy. He’s never done anything questionable off the field. You want to blame his lack of production because of who he’s dated? Let’s get serious.
Yeah, and Ray Rice and MJD aren’t the same. But they are similar enough for comparison’s sake.
I'm not 100% that Chris Johnson is a golden boy either
It’s only been 2 years and he just broke into superstardom. I mean his car doesn’t exactly make me think that he’s some humble guy that wants to stay out of the public eye.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 19, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah gotcha
Well I agree with you there. Although, I agree with Ewdtrey that Bush hasn’t been a disappointment in the NFL due to a poor work ethic. Just a skill set that’s been incompatible with the NFL. A skill set that involves a size and speed incredibly similar to Reggie Bush.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 20, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
It comes down to this:
Is Spiller the BAP? A lot of fans think he will be. Others, those of us who are right (kidding), think that he isn’t worth #10. I just can’t rank him above guys like McClain, Thomas, Haden and, heck, even Bryant (minus the character stuff). But that’s me. I have no idea what Gene and the scouts think, but I trust they know what they need to do…
But still, we all know that position does play into rankings. LTs and QBs and DEs who are all great at their position will usually end up a better value than, say, an OG, TE or safety who are all great at their positions. We know this to be true. So where does backup RB/Kick returner fall in the list of positions by value? Right above TE?
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 20, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'll take 4.37 at RB any day of the week, and twice on Sunday!
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
Me too
but only if he can play too. Keep in mind there are a lot of fast can’t miss players that don’t make it in the league. I really don’t believe CJ will be a bust, in fact I think he will be a ver very good player. But he’s only ever going to play 50% of the plays on offense, regardless of the depth chart, I hesitate to draft him in the top 10.
Says who?
Just the fact of him being on the field, even if he is not going to get the ball is going to make defenses have fits.
You tell me: You got a running QB, with a strong arm. A deep threat on the outside in Williamson. You got a fast sure handed number 1 with MSW. Throw Spiller and MJD in the back. Have either thomas in the slot/or a Lewis/Miller at TE.
That sounds nasty to me.
Heres another look: Thomas in the Slot. Spiller in the Slot. MJD in the back. Lewis/Miller @ TE MSW on the outside.
Nasty Nasty Nasty.
Koetter will go nuts. Defensive Coordinators will have a bad day.
I'm not debating that
he could be a very very good player. But like I’ve said before, they games doesn’t revolve around the skill players, with exception of the QB. Because of that I think we need to put a priority on the big guys and on the passing games(On offense and defense(In the form of pass rushers and CB’s/FS’s))
I agree about the big guys.
And I actually think with as deep as we keep hearing this draft is on defense, we would be doing ourselves a service by drafting Bulaga or another OL guy in the 1st since those positions aren’t as deep overall. After last year I have faith that Gene can find defenders in the later rounds.
Of course I’d still love it if they were able to trade back and add picks.
I think Bulaga
is overrated. I can live with short arms, if they play like they have long arms. But I don’t see that from Bulaga. Also Bulaga was well hidden in that offensive scheme. Very rarely did he have to pick up difficult assignments. He rarely had to block good DE’s one on one.
Okung and Davis I think are better players.
yea
I don’t understand how some can have Baluga rated over Trent Williams. I’d take A Davis over Baluga. Marukice Pouncey as well. Later1st -2nd I’d be fine with it.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 19, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I hate
drafting Centers high, I would rather draft Pouncey over Bulaga. I wouldn’t draft either of them at 10 though.
yea 10 is lil high for MP
but he could potentially fill 4 spots on the o-line. Thats rare dude
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 20, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Britton at C?
G yeah but C is a diff ballgame.That’s a stretch imo
Dennis Norman didn’t really pan out.
I was wanting him too tho
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 20, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Terry McDonough
and Gene Smith both said that he can play center, and that he was even getting backup reps there last year.
The point about Norman was that he can play all four spots. He didn’t play any of them that well, including center. But that kind of versatility isn’t that rare.
its rare
when they can play all effectively.. If Norman wasn’t effective than his versatility is moot.. When you excell and are versatile then you are rare. I think Pouncey could excel that’d make him rare
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 21, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
if hes solid
its not very often that a player can play 4 positions while exceling/being very solid.
His feet are like sewing machines I think he could be very solid at RT
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 22, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He's actually
built about 1.5 inches above average for a center. 6’6" 305 lbs. Not too much
Alex Mack 6’5" 310
Matt Tennant 6’5" 300
Eric Wood 6’4" 304
Max Unger 6’5" 300
Nick Mangold 6’4" 290
Kevin Mawae 6’4" 289\
And Britton is fairly stocky for his height. He’s a very good knee bender.
How much use is enough?
Don’t forget he will be returning punts and kickoffs. If we draft him I’d expect him to take a similar role to MJD as a rookie.
He will be on the field 1 to 2 downs per 3 down offensive series either in the slot or the backfield and he will take all the return duties.
As he develops, he will gradually move from secondary back to the second half of the new two headed monster.
That IMO is substantial value both immediate and long term that not many other rookies will be able to provide.
And what happens if someone beats him out for the kick return spot?
Then is is only on the field… what? Half the offensive downs, tops? Our 1st round pick?
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 20, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is going to beat him for the returner spot?
Mike Thomas is a good returner but he doesn’t have Spiller’s vision or his top gear. He’s not nearly as elusive either. Besides can’t any 1st round pick get beat out at their respective position?
As a “part time back” in 2006 MJD got over 2k all purpose yards and 15tds while sharing the backfield with Fred Taylor.
Though he was a 2nd round pick wouldn’t you consider him to have the value of a top 10 pick even though he wasn’t on the field every single down?
the fact is we are not “stacked” at the rb position because we only have 1 good back. What happens if MJD goes down? No more jags offense. I like Jennings but he is a relief player and will never be capable of being part of a true rb tandem with MJD. Spiller will
So your case is height and weight.
Pretty weak sauce argument considering this league is now a two back system. Then your comparison of the 4.37 to 4.24 argument is pretty weak too. I’m sure if you lined them up you’d be hard pressed to find a large disparity in speed-in fact there really are none (and if you had paid attention to the combine you’d see they actually changed his 40 yd dash from a 4.28 to a 4.37). Yea Chris may be a hair quicker, but CJ has some serious afterburners. Your “superhuman” speed thing is a bit overblown. CJS is just as fast as CJ.
And if you want to continue on comparisions to CJ I’d say Spiller has a better all around game: he breaks tackles, he runs inside, and he runs routes as a WR, and has better hands.
Again go look @ the combine again. They changed his time from 4.28 to 4.37 even after NFL network showed superimposed images of Spiller, Mays, and Ford (who posted the fastest time @ the combine) comparing the speed of each (Spiller was maybe half a step slower than Ford).
You know they just changed his time from
a unofficial time to an official time, right?
And I do think you can see a difference in their speed. And I agree that he has much better hands than Johnson. But I think Johnson has very overrated hands.
All I am saying is the times were screwed.
I am going to put a video together that superimposes Chris Johnson, Spiller, Mays,et al to see what really went down.
I am confused as to why Mays ran a 4.24 and they quickly changed it to 4.47 even though he out ran Trindon Holliday who ran a 4.2? @ the combine. Spiller would be right in the mix with these guys. The whole thing is fishy. i’ll post it on youtube when I’m done so you can drop the mythical 4.24 Chris Johnson “superhuman” speed baloney.
He didn't outrun
Holliday in the vid or on the watch. Also keep in mind, some people timed Chris Johnson at 4.19 before he got his official 4.24.
The NFL network guy said mays outran Holliday.
Are you watching the video? The guy in front is Jacoby Ford.
Brain fart
but even on some of the stop watch times Holliday ran faster than Mays. The tech guys must have just messed up on the start.
Irregardless...
Spiller had nothing to do with the vid. Not to mention, even the stop watch times for Spiller weren’t as fast as Johnson’s.
seriously how is
who is faster spiller or Johnson even a debate.
Johnson ran 10.38 seconds in the 100-meter sprint .He ran on the fastest 4×100 relay team in the nation that won national titles.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 19, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I take that back.
Established personal best in both the 100m (10.22) and 200m (20.91) at the Orange & Purple Classic at the Rock Norman Track
I'm
sure your reveling in that. Track or 40 time doesn’t directly translate to field. I guess I’ll wait to see how fast Spiller looks in NFL to fully judge. Johnson gets the 40. Spiller gets the 100. If Spiller looks faster than Johnson in NFL I’d be shocked. I think Spiller is a burner but I think Johnson’s feet almost leave the ground. Impressive times tho, I’ll give you that.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 20, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely impressive times
But where Chris Johnson excels is in short burst. That’s how he’s made his name.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 20, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to jump in and say Spiller offers just that...
The guy stops on a dime, and restarts like he’s a fiend heading to a crack house… The guy literally BLAZES… I mean RARE speed for a RB in terms of explosiveness.
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Mike Thomas
has the best stop/start I’ve ever seen of any athlete. Just thought I’d point that out. haha
+1
I agree – one of the reasons I can’t wait to see him used more this season/
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 20, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
in the slot/screens and end arounds. MT gonna tear it up.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 20, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Height, weight and not fitting a "mold"
Wait, that sounds familiar. Doesn’t that guy wear 32?
by JohnnyBiceps on Apr 19, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My point
Was that we can easily outsmart ourselves by applying preconceived notions of “prototypical,” especially at the running back position. The scale and the tape measure rarely tell the whole story.
by JohnnyBiceps on Apr 19, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, it's a risk
A risk that, in my opinion, isn’t worth the 10th pick. Make no mistake, MJD was a risk too, but he was taken 60th, not 10th.
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Thats why you trade
and invest in 2 potentially great players rather than 1.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 19, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
If we’re not going to worry about risk, how about we just take Pierre-Paul?
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by Adam Stites on Apr 19, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
If you want the potential, JPP is likely going to be the best pick after 6.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 20, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
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To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
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by JagGameFace on Apr 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but
Risk at pick 10 is a fact of life. And I know intangibles get played out by people, especially this year, but the fact that the kid completed his degree a year early significantly offsets the risk in my opinion. All that talent and a work ethic to boot?
by JohnnyBiceps on Apr 19, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
it does
make trading down sound even better.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 19, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
One last thing to add to the discussion.
I’ll use a quote I got off YouTube that best sums it up: “If Mays ran between 4..24-4.3 then what in the blue hell did Trindon and Jacoby Ford ran? Is the NFL trying to protect it’s much hyped 4.24 star?”"
The 40 times this year were iffy.
Keep in mind
we don’t know which runs were superimposed. Nor do we know how well they “traced” each start.
The NFL network clearly stated what runs they used.
I was sitting at my computer desk when it happened. Fishy stuff going on with times.
Like I said I’ll superimpose Tays 4.24 time, Jacoby Fords best, Chris Johnson 4.24, Spillers 4.37 and we’ll see whose right and whose wrong. I hope you have a box of tissues.
I'm not gonna cry about it
I’m not even arguing that they are right. But rather, I’m arguing that there are discrepancies that could be at fault.
I was just kidding. But just watching CJs 40 run again.
IDK anymore. Nothing looks superhuman. In fact I think they probably all run low 4.25 and high 4.3s
it looks
superhuman on the field that’s all that matters
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 19, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Note to everyone
This is all about BAP. Nowhere in my article did I say the Jaguars should avoid Spiller because Jones-Drew is already on the team and we don’t need a RB. I don’t care what team it is, in my opinion Spiller is not worth a top 10 pick for the reasons I listed.
As for a two back system, I think it’s the way to go. I wouldn’t mind the Jaguars finding a player that can split carries with MJD. Who knows maybe that’s Rashad Jennings. But finding a player that is only going to get 10 or so carries a game is easy. The middle rounds of the draft are full of players like that and that’s the place where you get a guy that is only a complimentary back. Taking a player 10th overall who is only a compliment and can’t be a full time back is a mistake.
Can he be a full time back? Maybe, but I doubt it and a team is taking a huge risk if they invest a lot in him thinking he will be.
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by Adam Stites on Apr 19, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Spiller's size and speed
Your reasons for not taking Spiller in the top ten as per your article is his size and speed. I won’t go into the speed part because another poster has already mentioned that he was clocked in 4.28. That’s faster than just about every back in the league minus C Johnson. Now onto the weight issue that concerns you. I think the Jags are smart enough to use Spiller to his many strengths and talents. I don’t think the Jags or any other team for that matter are going to ask Spiller to pound it up the middle. He can be used in so many ways and make defenses account for him on every play. He is the kind of back that keeps opposing coaches up at night trying to scheme ways to stop him. Again as I pointed out he is considered a top ten talent by everyone that is respected in the NFL.
Exactly there are so many other ways he can play the ball.
Sure he can run up the middle. He can line in inside, outside. He can run out of the T formation.
This is not the NFL from yesteryear. A runningback needs to be able to do everything. He needs the power to run it up the gut if need be, catch screens, break tackles, run outside, line up as a WR, etc etc. Since CJ can do all these things (he proved he could even with bad line @ Clemson and a pretty good conference) and do them exceptionally well so his skillset/ability justifies him as a top 10 pick.
Up the middle
Yes I agree with you Slvrgun 100%. He can run up the middle. I was suggesting the Jags won’t use him like a power back up the gut with 10 in the box. He has proven he can do it all and do it exceptionally.
Actually, I don't trust anything anyone in the NFL says between Feb and April
You mean to say that every reporter and mock drafter considers him top-10 material. Ha! These same guys /liked/ the pick of Matt Jones. These same guys loved the pick of Leftwich. Please.
by alwaysforgiven821 on Apr 20, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
hmm
Looking at this I am coming to these conclusions. Spiller is for a team that can draft luxury players. The Jags do not have that abilty right now we have too many other needs right now that need to be addressed and drafting him at the 10th spot in the draft to me would be very unwise. Let’s get our D line and O line solid first because weather it be MJD Spiller CJ or freaken Dash back there if you don’t have an o line to make holes then you have nuthin. Also scoreing points means nuthin if you don’t have a D that can stop anther team from doing the same
Put things into perspective and let’s draft smart and not anther Shack draft
by jesusjagfan2009 on Apr 19, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oh Jesus
So you want to disregard that if Spiller is the BAP at ten because he doesn’t play along the O line the Jags shouldn’t draft him. Then you suggest that we don’t want to draft like Shack because he is a RB and that we have other NEEDS. What your suggesting is exactly how Shacked drafted, which was NEED drafting. I think we can all agree on how that worked out.
invest
So you are telling me that we should give along the lines of 15 mil guranteed to a postion that right now we are pretty stacked at instead of a postion that can change the direction of the team. CJ is good because the Titans have a dang good O line to block for him. Shack was wowed by the “show” Gene is not hence him drafting monroe when everyone else was sayin that we should have drafted Crabtree and it looks good to me so far
by jesusjagfan2009 on Apr 19, 2010 8:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would take either one personally.
Crabtree came in and straight OWNED it without even going through training camp.
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What you're describing, drafting by need is exactly what shack did.
You want to pass on an extremely talented player because we have needs.
Haha, nothing like the self pat on the back.
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by MoveThoseChains on Apr 19, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
because
Of the math. We can get players who are just as talanted or even better for a whole lot less cash. We are not the Cowboys or the G men we have to be strategic with our cash flow and payin him a guranteed 10 – 17 mill contract when you have already given a 35 mil to MJD is not smart
by jesusjagfan2009 on Apr 19, 2010 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
besides
Al Davis has fascination with speed freaks I have a feelin that Oakland takes him before we even get a crack at him
by jesusjagfan2009 on Apr 19, 2010 8:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I doubt
Oakland takes Spiller. They are set with Michael Bush and Run DMC.
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when the Jags took MJD...
everyone in the organization that Fred Taylor was at the end of his career…Now, MJD is just getting started. I’m all for BAP, but you’re telling me that CJ Spiller is rated higher than McClain, Thomas, Haden etc who will be there when the Jags pick…like I said, I can’t see Gene putting 34+ million in the backfield when there are question marks all over this team besides the backfield. It’s not need picking. Gene said that this draft is defense oriented. I think he tipped his hand right there. I would pick Spiller up around the same slot Chris Johnson was picked, but he’d be long gone by then and that’s assuming that the Jags trade back…
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Adam, I completely disagree with damn near everything you said
but I don’t think it’s going to matter, because we’re all gonna start losing our minds with excitement when we move back into the bottom of the first. Know what? I wouldn’t be surprised one bit, due to the depth, if we gave up our first rounder completely and traded back 2 or 3 times into the second. But a trade is coming. I’m calling it. Even if we take less than what’s desired, Gene wants that 2nd rounder back. Write it down, post it, etch in stone. Paint it on Lucas Oil Stadium. lol.
For what it's worth
If I recall, Spiller actually tied Johnson with the fastest 20M split ever recorded at the combine.
Nope
there are faster out there. For instance Justin King, that CB from Penn State that ended up with the Rams, ran a faster one. If you recall he was also one of Vic’s top players on his all important value board. I remember being upset that he had him up there instead of Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, who actually had a faster 40. Justin King ended up in the 4th round and somewhat busted before getting hurt. DRC on the other hand was the rookie MVP of the playoffs, at least in my opinion. haha
All this 40 time comparison is getting ridiculous
(Obviously I’m exaggerating here) It’s like saying, Speedy Gonzalez (CJSpiller) is a risk b/c he doesn’t have the 40 time, short burst, explosiveness, etc. of the Road Runner (Chris Johnson). Sure everybody doubted Taz (MJD) but he is built like a tank which makes up for his size & speed…
Bottom line is, the money at pick #10 is not coming out of our pocket, as a fan I don’t care how much money it costs, CJ Spiller is explosive, any way you want to cut it.
IF we can’t trade down, and IF Gene says he’s the guy, we will have a heck of a player. 3 years from now, we can argue how it worked out, but we can’t deny the guy has talent & will only help the offense (and special teams).
Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man;
But soon or late the man who wins
Is the one who thinks he can.
+1
on your bold text and just because you compared looney tunes cartoon characters to football players.
Field time is the only time that matters.
Spiller at 10 wouldn’t upset me I like Thomas and Williams too but trading down beats all.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 20, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
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