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The Jaguars 2008 Draft: A case study on bad draft strategy


With Quentin Groves being traded to the Oakland Raiders for a 5th round pick, just two years after he was selected in the 2nd round, I believe I can say this statement without any hyperbole. The Jaguars 2008 draft was the single worst draft by any team in the NFL in the last decade. In 2008, Shack Harris not only made a swing for the fence pick in the 1st round, he swung for the fence with the entire draft.

Just why did the Jaguars draft fail so spectacularly in 2008? It wasn't just selling out to get Derrick Harvey in round one, Quentin Groves' ability to do nothing, or that the Jaguars only drafted five players that sunk this draft. It was a perfect storm of hubris, overreaching, and a host of other issues.

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Hubris

I can't find the exact quote at the moment, so please feel free to provide a link in the comments. Following the Jaguars 2008 draft, Harris was asked why the Jaguars traded away so many picks. Harris responded by saying he felt the Jaguars roster was so strong that even players taken as early as round three would have a hard time making the roster.

Let that one sink into your brain for a minute. It's one thing to think you have a talented team. Coming off of the 2007 season where the Jaguars won a thrilling playoff game in Pittsburgh and almost knocked off New England, they were a trendy Super Bowl pick. However, it's the GMs job to take a sober look at a roster and make it better.

This is the same roster that had three wide receivers that would be cut less than a year later and sat out the entire 2009 NFL season because no one wanted them. That roster had Cleo Lemon as the back up QB, Drayton Florence as the most overpaid nickle back in the league, Tony Pashos at right tackle, amongst a host of other players who are no longer around.

I'm sure at least one of those third round picks could be contributing to this team.

Bad Personnel Decisions

This was originally entitled bad scouting, but scouting info is only as good as the person looking at it. When a team makes a "sell out" kind of trade like the Jaguars did in 2008, you only make it for a once in a generation kind of player or a QB with franchise written all over him.

Instead, the Jaguars sold out to make a pick that describes the majority of their first rounders from that era, an athletically gifted prospect who is a mediocre football player. Now, I've defended Harvey a lot, but that was the general consensus about him coming out of Florida.

The trade for Groves was another face palm worthy move. No matter what Groves wanted to play, he had to be a 3-4 LB in the NFL. For him to have struggled so badly against lineman in the NFL, any scout should have been able to see that coming.

The Jaguars should have taken the time to figure out a better strategy than "Let's get a pass rusher in the first two rounds come hell or high water."

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Groves was pegged in the 08 mocks as a DE/OLB but many mocks had the Jags taking Groves in the 2nd where they were or a DT named Balmer or Calais Campbell at their 1st round pick…..as a facepalm lets see if any 3rd rd 2008ers are super right now….
with that 2nd 3rd round pick that was traded THE TEXANS GOT STEVE SLATON! the rest of the picks ended up being enh players but we could have had davone bess and clifton smith

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by jawsaints on Apr 21, 2010 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Groves trade

What 5th round pic did the Jags get from the Raiders? They have two in that round

by SBNATION1 on Apr 21, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

i cant find the specifics

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by jawsaints on Apr 21, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder how many of you liked this pick when it occurred?

I remember many fans saying, " Superbowl here we come."

by Slvrgun on Apr 21, 2010 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

hey we thought groves and harvey would follow spicer and meier as starting DEs and terrorize QBs for the next decade kind of thing

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by jawsaints on Apr 21, 2010 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

we forgot mccray, mcdaniel, landri, jackson, meier, and the other guy all were released or injured by 2008 beginning
and of course the tragic collier shooting and then the jags ol injuring all over the place by week three

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by jawsaints on Apr 21, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've Liked

McCray ever since the NFC championship game a few months ago. Dude plays with swag. Whole Saints defense does.

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by Bestjagfan on Apr 21, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

"An case study??"

It is easy to criticize now! Most of their selections were considered a reach even then. I googled 2008 draft grades and the majority of them say C-. But some of the draft grades are hilarious.

One quote from a draft grades for Ten.
“Wow. That’s all I could say about the Chris Johnson selection. The Titans have had several scrap heap running backs over the past few years and that’s been working fine. But to not pick up some athletes and playmakers to help Vince Young was just ridiculous.”

by Rocky Staten on Apr 21, 2010 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Corrected

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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 21, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having only 1 player from the draft

still on team is pretty sad.. The Jag’s didn’t put Groves in a good situation. I thought for sure they were going 34 after that draft. They waited too long and did it without personnel and all the was invested in Groves was wasted. Now if the Jag’s can could get a 1st 3rd and 5th for Harvey..

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 21, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah in gs dream

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by jawsaints on Apr 21, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

We could still have 1 UF DE Mincey

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by jawsaints on Apr 21, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's get one thing clear

Groves was not a reach. Most people had him going late in the first as a popular pick to the niners. When he fell to the 2nd many people were surprised.
I don’t know if Harvey was a reach, but if he was, he wasn’t going much later.

by Ewdtrey on Apr 21, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Groves wasn't a reach

Rather he was a terrible pick for a 4-3 team

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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 21, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neither were reaches.

What we gave up for them in order to draft for Needs was bad. We basically sold our future away on two guys. Sometimes drafting for need works sometimes it doesn’t.

by Slvrgun on Apr 21, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

That story is quite something from Michael C Wright:


True story: Gene Smith called Groves into his office last year and told him that he didn’t want him; that Shack is reason he was in Jax.
He told Groves that the next time he saw him in the office, it would be to cut him. Guess Q finally got called 2 the office.

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 22, 2010 3:11 AM EDT reply actions  

And I thought some of my former bosses were dicks

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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 22, 2010 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow

Talk about positive reinforcement

by jesusjagfan2009 on Apr 22, 2010 8:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have no inside inside info

but I’m skeptical scouting was the problem, unless there’s been a significant overhaul in the Jags’ scouting department. Even so, unless I’m wrong, Gene was the top scout then, and I doubt he’s changed the way he does business very much since taking over as GM.
My perspective is that Shack was strictly a needs drafter looking for weapons to help Leftwich succeed, ergo, three consecutive receivers, two of whom were woefully overdrafted.
In ‘08 again, all we needed was someone to get to the QB, and we were on our way to the Super Bowl. So, we mortgaged the farm for that final piece, and are now paying the price.
The recent change in drafting philosophy is why I have a hard time believing we’d trade up to grab Morgan.

by unhipcat on Apr 22, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

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