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Define the Word "Reach"

In the coming days, weeks and months, Jaguar fans will hear opinion after opinion that rank the Jacksonville 2010 draft class as one of the NFL's worst. The general consensus being that the Jaguars drafted players, namely first round pick Tyson Alualu, that they defined as a "reach." But what exactly does it mean for a player to be a reach? Well the way I see it, there are only two qualifications that could warrant someone being labeled a reach:

 "To take a guy you could conceivably get 15 to 25 slots later, you're cheating yourself not just out of sixth- and seventh-round guys, but potentially a late second- or third-rounder. You have to know not just the pick, but the relative value." - Mel Kiper Jr. on the Jaguars' selection of Tyson Alualu

Star-divide

A) Pick Value:

As Mel Kiper said in the quote above, a team must understand that liking a player doesn't necessarily mean that you're maximizing the value of your pick. If the player you fall in love with isn't on the radar of any other team until the second round, you shouldn't draft them in the early part of the first round. You should try to trade down and try to get the full value of your pick while still getting your targeted player. I agree with Kiper on that point and I don't see how anyone wouldn't. Of course you want to maximize the value of your pick, who wouldn't?

Where the logic fails is when an assumption is made that Tyson Alualu would've been available deeper in the draft. The only ones that can make that assumption are those with access to the actual NFL draft boards. That company does not include the likes of Kiper, McShay, Mayock, Vic, myself or anyone else writing articles about the draft.

As far as we know, Alualu could've been a top 10 player on every draft board in the nation. For all we know, the Jaguars got the steal of the draft and there were teams attempting to trade up and draft Alualu before the Jaguars had the chance. I find it hard to believe that the Jaguars were the only team in the NFL to "discover" the talents of Alualu. 

The fact is we don't know. The "general consensus" was that Alualu was a second-round pick, but is it so unbelievable that the "general consensus" could've been wrong? After all, the "general consensus" was that Jimmy Clausen was a top 10 pick. If the Jaguars had drafted him, the folks at ESPN would be praising the Jaguars for maximizing the value of their pick, when in reality it would have been a huge reach considering he could've been available to them over 30 spots later. 

So that brings me to the other qualification for a player to be named a "reach":

B) Player Value:

This is the only way that a person with no access to draft boards can realistically say that a player was a reach. By looking at the film and the measurables and attempting to scout the player on their own. I made a plea on fellow SB Nation site, Mocking the Draft, for the members to give me a reason why Mr. Alualu didn't deserve his top 10 status. In three days I have received over 100 comments, yet no answer other than, "He was better for the 3-4" and claims that he would've been available later.

So I have come to the conclusion that if someone wishes to continue to label Alualu as a "reach" they need to substantiate with some logic. 

Alualu is nearly the exact same size as Gerald McCoy. McCoy ran a 4.96 at the combine, while Tyson Alualu ran a 4.87. That's significantly faster than McCoy and Suh. 

Take a look at vertical jumps and the difference is staggering. At the combine there was a 30.5 vertical from McCoy and Suh put up the best vertical jump since 2000 with a 35.5" jump. Alualu finished with a 35" jump. 

In school Alualu had better stats than McCoy and played in every game starting with his true freshman year. He showed durability and was also a leader on Cal's defense. He's a great character guy wife a wife and two kids and has never been anything but a pleasure to coach according to everyone around him.

On the field, Alualu was more productive than McCoy and was reveled for his nonstop motor.

So perhaps, I'm missing something in my logic, but the way I see it Alualu wasn't a reach and can't be considered a reach until someone gives a reason to substantiate his 2nd round status. 

- Adam Stites

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Amen

stfu Kiper…
i think we need to write a letter to espn

by hawk16lx on Apr 25, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait and see

Here is a draft day history flash back. There was this GM for the Colts who got bashed by all the media for reaching on a small DE that they all said they could have got later in the round at the very least.

His name was Dwight Freeney!

by SBNATION1 on Apr 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he won't own up to it later on

He’ll just give some BS about how he had him rated in the first round still and he just overproduced or something. I don’t listen to him anymore.

by acedarney on Apr 25, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine if Kiper was a teams GM....boy is he a moron

This full value thing is irritating. If after 6 months of scouting you have settled on your guys on your big board, and find that although you would like to trade down that you can’t, it would simply be foolish to wait until the next round to get this your guy. Other teams aren’t stupid. Teams like the Steelers, Eagles, Patriots, Colts, Saints who have great scouting departments hear about these gems. I would rather “reach” then let someone come from behind and get them.

by Slvrgun on Apr 25, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Kiper does a good job of making his point

but he is so stout in his argument that he forgot that his head is in his… well I think we all know were his head is . Alualu is not a reach, we could not trade back and get just compensation so we took the best available player. I think that is the best possible strategy. We wanted Revis, Fitzgerald and missed on both I do not want to go 0/3 because of ignoramus fans or the nasty hair of Kiper.

by Jewasaurus on Apr 25, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I keep hearing this "we could not trade back" argument

I really doubt that. I really, really doubt that. I think the Jaguars had the opportunity to trade back, but chose not to.

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by Adam Stites on Apr 25, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

11, 12 and 13 were all traded

So the market appeared to be in the neighborhood. Either way, it’s all speculation. We can’t know for sure.

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by Adam Stites on Apr 25, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposed we did drop back...

Miss out on arguably the 2nd best tackle IMO in the draft then he goes on to be great? Well sure we got more picks and those guys turned out to be solid but come on, some guys you can’t pass on.

by Slvrgun on Apr 25, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I’m agreeing with you. Whether the trades were there or not, I still don’t think it affects the argument of a reach or not. Sometimes there are players that you just can’t pass on.

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by Adam Stites on Apr 25, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Dolphins

I think may not have traded back if the jags did to take alualu later. The dolphins might’ve stayed and grabbed Alualu instead of getting Odrick with where they went back to.

Draft LeFevour!!!!!!!!

by Vegasjags on Apr 25, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

"could not trade back" is a misnomer

any team can trade back …
if they’re unwilling to demand equivalent compensation for the pick they’re giving up.
I’m sure the Jags could have gotten dozens of teams to take the #10 pick, but they weren’t willing to give the Gene the picks he thought the #10 deserved. So he took his #10 (who know, he may have had Alualu rated even higher).
Kiper has an opinion, probably a pretty educated opinion. But he’s not infallible, as I’m sure any one of us can prove pretty clearly with numerous examples. The wonderful part about this is that Kiper has no accountability. He says what he says. When he’s right, he’ll let you know. When he’s wrong, not so much.
Gene has accountability. His job and the team’s future depend on him making intelligent choices based on hours of study of each player on their board.
A lot of people complained about the Jags’ 2009 draft, but I don’t hear those complaints that much any more.

by unhipcat on Apr 25, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that we could but not for the compensation that was just and worth the possibility of missing on what seems to be a stout DT in Alualu. Lets examine the evidence, the Bronco’s traded from 11 to 13 for an extra 4th. I think that we could have had a similar deal but passed. Maybe we missed and with that 4th we could have traded up in the second to get Sean Lee. We don’t know. Yet, that is the problem with the definition of the term reach which this article is about. I think it is a cool debate and if Alualu is as good or better than McCoy then we had the “steal” of the draft. It is all haw we perceive it anyway.

by Jewasaurus on Apr 25, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

49er and Cal fan here who has adopted the Jags

As my AFC team since Brunell was under center. Obviously I’m biased as a Cal fan, but I think Alualu was a GREAT pick. Stout at the point of attack, relentless motor, and absolutely ZERO character, maturity, or work-ethic issues at a position of great need for the Jags. He will come in and produce from snap one. And I’ve read that the Titans were strongly considering Alualu with the 16 pick, so don’t let people tell you it was a huge reach.

Thank you, Chris Cohan, for finally doing the right thing.

by the guy on Apr 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT reply actions  

On that note

Adam Schefter reported on the morning of the first day of the draft that the Titans were interested in trading up, but he didn’t know for who. Alualu?

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by Adam Stites on Apr 25, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats a rec

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by TheTealDeal on Apr 25, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1000

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

WOW- just WOW

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 26, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

You Sir

Actually “get” it :)

by KeithG on Apr 26, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Imagine how you guys would've felt if Berry was on the board

I imagine the thinking would be something along the lines of, “well if we trade down we’re probably not going to get him so the compensation better be excellent.”

I think that’s what happened. The offers were there, but the Jaguars wanted their guy and assumed that by trading down they would not be in position to take him.

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by Adam Stites on Apr 25, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

You might be right about there having been trade offers.

Sure we could have got more picks but I haven’t seen a DT/DE this nasty and versatile since well Sapp. Sometimes when you find guys like this you just have to trust your judgement and forget whatever extra you could have gotten.

by Slvrgun on Apr 25, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by silencecs on Apr 25, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the site... but I have to disagree with you...

Who should we have picked?

NAme me two players…. I KNOW if Spiller was there he’d have been the pick… HE wasn’t and Alualu was the next best available player… Gene Smith is a SCOUT… not a typical GM.

He knows how to scout, and you can’t deny he went BAP when 4 picks went to D-line…

bye bye Jeremy Mincey…. See ya Bryan Smith… Montavious Stanley, later bud… A. Ellison and John henderson will battle for the last DT spot…

No guarentees the Jags trade Hen… Keeping him is not a bad decision… 5 Mil is a lot, but he had a beastly year and is only 31…. Our d-line could be our strength next season if he stays around. Or trade him for another 2nd rounder next season. Team’s always give up more in a draft pick if it is in the future. \

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by silencecs on Apr 25, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want mincey to stay

Waber-Jaguar

by jawsaints on Apr 25, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll have some

stiff competition. But he might.

by Ewdtrey on Apr 26, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great pice Adam

the sad thing is until september; we must defend in every forum this (these) pick(s).

I’M telling you; I must do the same at the Hungarian site I also write. Even some of the real experts said to me; this draft a mess with capital letters; or them say the word- joke about it.

I try as much as I can prove that that is not the case; and let’s wait and see in thee season what these guys are capable of. But sadly I think until August; we must play defense too.

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 25, 2010 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow so many typing mistakes again sorry for that

BY the way take a look to this:

Ross Tucker at least saying what I say to everyone- wait until the fall before you knock the Jaguars down!

Jacksonville Jaguars

What I liked: The amount of small-school prospects the Jags selected. GM Gene Smith appears to believe that players from the FCS division of college football are consistently undervalued and I agree with him.

What I didn’t: Would have liked to have seen the Jags moved down a couple of slots and pick up an extra pick before selecting Tyson Alualu in the first round.

Moving forward: Smith’s first draft a year ago was so good that anyone that would be prone to criticize him would be better served to wait and watch before they knock his draft picks this season.
 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ross_tucker/04/25/draft.reactions/1.html#ixzz0m9XPNXOu

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 25, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a few text messages from friend who know I'm a huge

Jags fan and they were like “huh”…after I sent them YouTube with clips of Tyson, they were like “wow, I didn’t know…stud potential”.

Like it was said earlier, I think the Jags got an offer from the 49ers for their 1st and it’s 4, but that would have left Alualu exposed to the Broncos, Patriots and Steelers who were in love with him two…Gene did the right thing…when in doubt, go to the tape…I really don’t think Mel Kiper looked at the tape, he was prolly to busy at the hair salon, lol…

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by SDubxl456 on Apr 25, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Here is what Russ Tucker with Sports Illustrated had to say about Jags Draft.

Jacksonville Jaguars

What I liked: The amount of small-school prospects the Jags selected. GM Gene Smith appears to believe that players from the FCS division of college football are consistently undervalued and I agree with him.

What I didn’t: Would have liked to have seen the Jags moved down a couple of slots and pick up an extra pick before selecting Tyson Alualu in the first round.

Moving forward: Smith’s first draft a year ago was SO GOOD that anyone that would be prone to criticize him would be BETTER SERVED TO WAIT AND WATCH BEFORE THEY KNOCK HIS DRAFT PICKS THIS SEASON.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ross_tucker/04/25/draft.reactions/1.html#ixzz0m9eY0rZw
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by Safa Mansouri on Apr 25, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I just linked it

2 comments before you ; but ok at least nobody will miss it

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 25, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its overkill

Who cares? I’m excited to see what these players can do. And I’ll go out on a limb and say I will guarantee that the Jags will have more than 14 sacks next year, and a much improved defense.

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

IS that really out on a limb...?

If BCC fielded a team, I bet we could come up with 15 sacks… Hell, Cuff007 would probably get 6 himself!

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by silencecs on Apr 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or so you say

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but can you pass block?

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

How's your pass rush?

We could’ve used you at DE instead of Groves

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by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I can do the LeGarette Blount pass rush, combined with a little ALbert Haynesworth

Square up on him, at the snap rip his helmet off and punch him in the face before running up on the star RB and neckslamming him or clotheslining the QB…..GO Titans!\sarc

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by jawsaints on Apr 25, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will stay in Jacksonville as long Alualu doesnt bust, and has a good seaon this year

by rhettchrystal on Apr 25, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

He can't bust, so he must succeed

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by TheTealDeal on Apr 25, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Undersized?

In about half the articles I read about Alualu they said he was undersized and a tweener. But he is only ONE inch smaller and same weight as McCoy lol. Am I missing something? Sometimes, well actually alot of the time, I dont think these “experts” know wtf they are talking about.

by OneSweetWorld on Apr 25, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

But yeah, you are missing something. McCoy’s got Alualu by 1/4" in arm and hand length. That must be it ;)

by Conservative on Apr 25, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a game of inches as they say.

by Jewasaurus on Apr 26, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do believe most of the picks were slight reaches

If they succeed and make the reaches worthwhile, then it was a good reach. Sometimes reaching for a player is alright, provided he plays great.

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by TheTealDeal on Apr 25, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

but smith apprently wanted to get back into the 1st for tebow but were outbid but lowballed when they wanted to trade down

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by jawsaints on Apr 25, 2010 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Says who? Sam Kouvaris?

Jay Glazer, Bob Tebow and Tim himself all said the Jaguars had 0 interest in Tebow. Who do you believe?

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by Adam Stites on Apr 25, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bingo

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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was 100% made up by Sam Kouvaris.

by Alfie Crow on Apr 25, 2010 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sam Kouvaris

Is a tool.

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by Bestjagfan on Apr 25, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont even want to talk about it........

I almost got into a fight last night defending our pick and Alualu…….we have a great player and all this criticism him and our team is getting is going to make him play twice as hard………..Did they release his jersey number yet?

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by FRANKdubz on Apr 25, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I like to think about it this way

If the Jags had taken, say, Clausen, Kiper and the talking heads of the draft would have loved it and probably start gushing over what a great draft the Jags had. Biggest problem with this is that a pick of Clausen wouldn’t have made the Jags any better NEXT season. Alualu does. Plain and simple. The draft “experts” have an extremely myopic view. In their view, someone like Clausen would have been the better pick because he has more “value” to them, regardless of the fact that he wouldn’t have helped the Jags win any more games next year.

Thank you, Chris Cohan, for finally doing the right thing.

by the guy on Apr 25, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

not to mention the fact

that Clausen clearly would’ve been a reach since he wasn’t selected until 30-some picks later.

by pksiv on Apr 25, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it wouldn't have been perceived as a reach

That’s definitely part of my point. We can’t ever know if a player was actually a reach because we don’t know what NFL draft boards look like. You simply can not say that a player could’ve been had later.

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by Adam Stites on Apr 25, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

looking

At the overall character of clauson he has bust writteb over him time will tell

by jesusjagfan2009 on Apr 25, 2010 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

ahh… who gives a shit… what’s done is done… let’s sit back and wait for the Oklahoma drill, baby!!

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by cuffs007 on Apr 25, 2010 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell yeah

Alualu vs Big Hen. DT vs DT

by Slawsc on Apr 25, 2010 10:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jags had one of the worst drafts in recent memory

I understand you guys are fans but come on. If you keep acting like this your team will move with no fire. This pick is a reach and will be average in the NFL. There were sooo many other picks available that would help this team more. Thomas, Bryant, a QB? The Bengals picked Geno Atkins in the 4th round. He would have nearly as much impact on the JAGs as the 10th pick.

by BrianBayless on Apr 25, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

If opinions of homers could change franchises

We would of had Tim Tebow, and everyone else we’ve ever loved and be worse for it. We accept these things because we have to.

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by TheTealDeal on Apr 25, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you think he was a reach

but any QB we would’ve taken at #10 wouldn’t have been ?

Most people thing Tebow was a reach at 25 and Clausen didn’t get drafted until what, #48 ?? Those guys were DEFINITELY REACHES at 10.

by pksiv on Apr 26, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to the site, but I have to disagree with you BB...

Who should we have picked?

NAme me two players…. I KNOW if Spiller was there he’d have been the pick… HE wasn’t and Alualu was the next best available player… Gene Smith is a SCOUT… not a typical GM.

He knows how to scout, and you can’t deny he went BAP when 4 picks went to D-line…

bye bye Jeremy Mincey…. See ya Bryan Smith… Montavious Stanley, later bud… A. Ellison and John henderson will battle for the last DT spot…

No guarentees the Jags trade Hen… Keeping him is not a bad decision… 5 Mil is a lot, but he had a beastly year and is only 31…. Our d-line could be our strength next season if he stays around. Or trade him for another 2nd rounder next season. Team’s always give up more in a draft pick if it is in the future. \

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by silencecs on Apr 25, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm so brainless.

Thats why the Jags have gone nowhere and the browns now have more talent on their team.

by BrianBayless on Apr 25, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or so you think

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you guys would have taken spiller it would have been another dumb move.

The jags have many holes, drafting at your best position would have made no sense. Gene Smith is a scout and only scouts more division two players than one. I go through the roster and I can not believe the school all of the players have gone to. Players go to those schools for a reason.

I would have taken earl thomas or even dez bryant over alualu and then probably still got someone = in talent later. Let the dolphins or titans be the ones who reach on someone like Alualu not yourself.

I can’t believe you guys are accepting how this draft has gone. The jags are not close and will probably finish in last in their division. Their record was better than they showed last year.

I guess you can not do anything when your GM spends all his time trying to scoop DII and small school talent. All of the other teams in division made 2 to 3 solid picks. With so many DTs this draft I don’t understand the pick.

by BrianBayless on Apr 25, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

We're not close?

Did you see the Jags play the Colts last year?

by Conservative on Apr 25, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're correct

The Jaguars should’ve passed on Rashean Mathis of Bethune Cookman in 2003 and gone with Bryan Scott of Penn State.
They should’ve passed on Justin Durant of Hampton in 2007 to take Buster Davis from Florida State.
I can’t figure out why we’d take Derek Cox of William & Mary when Kevin Barnes of Maryland was on the board.

Oh and while you’re at it, maybe you should research enough to realize the Jaguars didn’t draft a player from DII.

Why did you come and comment on an article you didn’t bother to read?

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by Adam Stites on Apr 25, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 CAL + 1 LTech + 4 NCAA-1A players

All play at a lower level with less talent, but hey I will leave you all alone.

I did feel bad for you guys. Now I support a move.

by BrianBayless on Apr 25, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And those four probably would have been drafted quite a bit higher were they at bigger programs…

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by uclatroy on Apr 25, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I support a move too

For you to move to another site

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i support a bitchslap from me to you

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by FRANKdubz on Apr 25, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

Go for it champ :)

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was for Bayless.....

why would i be agreeing with him?

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by FRANKdubz on Apr 25, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

people always have to resort to the LA thing......

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by FRANKdubz on Apr 25, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

I was hoping you would actually do it

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you know what

If it weren’t for people like Bayless, life would be boring. It would get boring on here if people agreed with each other all the time. Debate is always a good thing.

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

great point........

but it just really makes my blood boil when people say that, because they know it is a tender subject and is a very real possibility. I guess until we fill the stadium we will be subject to this…….

Oh and by the way, I would do it……..lol.

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by FRANKdubz on Apr 25, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try not to take it personally

People are gonna make stupid comments like that just because they don’t actually have an intelligent comment. We’re gonna prove to the world that Jacksonville is a football town, and the players that Gene brought in are gonna make this defense a whole lot better.

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Will do..........

I would love to see that!

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by FRANKdubz on Apr 25, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

if

Where a person went to school reflects that person’s abilty to play then Joe Flacco is a joke and so is dan marino (delware and Pitt respectfully) and rex grossmen is a star (florida)

by jesusjagfan2009 on Apr 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Gene realizes Division 1 is just overdrafted.

Meanwhile the smaller schools are just getting saturated with talent. Maybe the kid had bad grades, was a late bloomer, played another sport, or simply couldn’t afford to go play at a division 1 school.

by Slvrgun on Apr 25, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the talent in is comparable while the cost is much, much lower.

by Jewasaurus on Apr 25, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you are looking for people who agree with you

you won’t find many. You’d be better off on the Jags’ message boards, or the TU site

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever hear of the 2 RB system

I’ve heard it’s worked well for Carolina, the Jets, and other rushing teams

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by TheTealDeal on Apr 25, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

or be a raiders fan.

by Jewasaurus on Apr 25, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I tell you what

if we could convert all these new people into butts in the seats at JMS, ticket problem solved.

You can't reason with unreasonable people

by JagsAlex87 on Apr 25, 2010 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

SOME

SOME SOME SOME are but MOST are not. You will not win consistently with more DII players than DI in the NFL. I posted in here because my friend has season tickets and he nearly gave them away after the draft.

Keep hoping guys.

by BrianBayless on Apr 25, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

stfu

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me

by FRANKdubz on Apr 25, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

“After a successful day one, the Jaguars reached to take Terrance Knighton, Derek Cox and Zach Miller. The picks of Mike Thomas and Jarrett Dillard seem solid, however.”

Quote from mocking the draft by Mocking Dan after last years draft.

Can’t help but have the feeling people are going to look even more foolish next year after Alualu dominates.

My twitter = @neufaustcan

by uclatroy on Apr 25, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

you a UCLA fan?

I take it, Alualu was beast?

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by TheTealDeal on Apr 25, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Straight up beast mode.

My twitter = @neufaustcan

by uclatroy on Apr 25, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome,

Welcome to the rollercoaster of Jaguars fandom

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Winner of the 2010 Chad Pennington Award

by TheTealDeal on Apr 25, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree on the sean lee thing

had we traded down even if there was a slight chance that Tyson was there. Cause no way he got past Bill and the Dolphins. And picked Tyson at that spot and trade back to get Lee. Who is to say he would of ended up more productive then Morrison is. Morrison is a proven vet and we really need someone which actual experience to lead the Defense not a rookie.

by ctjags on Apr 25, 2010 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Need a little backup here:

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/4/23/1438908/can-anyone-explain-the-alualu-pick

"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
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Winner of the 2010 Chad Pennington Award

by TheTealDeal on Apr 25, 2010 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

i just signed up........i cant comment until tommorow :(

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me

by FRANKdubz on Apr 25, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could not agree more...

Let’s wait and see how all the picks play out… We will know soon enough if he was a reach – and really, does it matter?

by paruby on Apr 26, 2010 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I would post some sweet links i have but not sure if against the rules

There is a bunch of them posted on jags official site though check um out

by ctjags on Apr 26, 2010 1:58 AM EDT reply actions  

yes...

interesting comments by Britton and Manuwai.

by unhipcat on Apr 26, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You find football players...

Where you find football players…no matter the school…Alualu is not a reach, go look at the tape…he killed ucla, USC etc…BB your saying because of the decal on his helmut, he’s a lesser player? That’s crazy…

One life to live, live it to the fullest...

by SDubxl456 on Apr 26, 2010 6:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

My quote on Kiper on your "draft grade" post stands

Kiper is self-important, and the sooner he goes away, the better. We will prove our picks the better on the field.

Now blogging on the OTHER sports in Orlando: http://www.sportcluborlando.com

by Orlando Rays on Apr 26, 2010 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

You find players

where you find players, as someone is fond of saying.
Some GMs are less likely to be fooled by shiny objects.
And as Gene said, “You can outsmart people some of the time, but you can outwork them all of the time.”
I think a lot of “experts” are upset because they’re just now realizing they didn’t do enough homework.
The test starts Sept. 12.
IGIT

by unhipcat on Apr 26, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

oops

sorry SDub… didn’t see your comment above.
obviously I agree with it

by unhipcat on Apr 26, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

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