2010 NFL Draft: Was Gene Smith Blackballed?
Quite a few Jacksonville Jaguars fans were upset with the fact that the Jaguars were unable to move down in the first round and still select Tyson Alualu. Now, we know that the Jaguars felt there were as many as 5 other teams who were hot on the trail of Alualu and he was their man. While the first round move isn't the biggest eyebrow raiser as far as trades, the Jaguars attempting to move up in the 2nd round for Penn State linebacker Sean Lee only to have the Philadelphia Eagles trade with division rival the Dallas Cowboys instead is what looked fishy.
Was Gene Smith blackballed in the draft?
Some will ask "Well, why would Gene Smith be blackballed?".
Remember Don Carey? The 6th round defensive back that the Jacksonville Jaguars claimed from the Cleveland Browns who waived him "injured waived"?
"That's the first time I've ever seen that," said an official with another team. "I would have bet money that nobody would have claimed him.""We all have to 'waive/injured' players every year," the source said. "We're all in the same boat. You just don't claim those guys. What Jacksonville did was unethical." - from Cleveland.com
The Browns were not happy with the move at all, as most didn't expect a team to claim a player who would need to be placed on injured reserve for the season and needed shoulder surgery.
Now, I don't really have a problem with what the Jaguars and General Manager Gene Smith did. You get talent where you get talent, even if you've got to stick him on injured reserve for a season. If the Browns really liked Don Carey that much, they should have eaten the roster spot and placed him on injured reserve. I can also understand why the Cleveland Browns would be upset, as it was kind of an unwritten rule not to claim injured players. The Browns did seem to hint they would get the Jaguars back for what they viewed as an unethical move.
Did this happen during the draft? Did some other teams blackball the Jacksonville Jaguars from maneuvering around in the draft as to say "Hey, you did wrong"? Jaguars General Manager Gene Smith claims that there wasn't really a lot of discussion for teams to come up for the 10th overall pick, despite the fact that the next three selections (11, 12, and 13) all resulted in a trade occurring.
"Up in our range there was not a lot of discussion. When you can make a deal it’s when teams are calling you and this was not like last year and again, we were very happy when this guy was there." - Gene Smith
Now, we know the General Manager of the San Francisco 49ers, Trent Baalke, claims that he attempted to move into the 10 spot. They 49ers wanted to make sure to get their man, offensive tackle Anthony Davis, and were willing to move up to get him. In his press conference Baalke claimed that Jacksonville was the first team he called and he offered them a 4th round pick to swap the 10th and 13thoverall picks. Gene Smith claims different, but this is neither here nor there. All it really reaffrims to me, is that Alualu was who the Jaguars wanted.
"We had gone into the draft thinking we would go as high as 10. We started making calls at 10 when the player was available. Jacksonville was at 10. They didn’t want to make the trade. They had a guy targeted, which I felt good about because they drafted two offensive tackles a year ago. So, once they said they had a player they had targeted, I was pretty comfortable we could move up to 11 and still get the player." - Trent Baalke, San Francisco 49ers General Manager
The real issue with a potential blackball came when the Jacksonville Jaguars attempted to move back up into the 2nd round for Penn State linebacker Sean Lee.
"That’s correct, there was. We aggressively worked the phones as he started to slide. We were unfortunate that they chose to go a different direction, which was surprising … Some teams trade within the division. Some teams don’t."
"When he started sliding, and obviously we did like him, we started to talk to every team that we thought we could match up working a trade with." - Gene Smith
This is where it gets interesting and the theory of a little blackball or payback gets interesting. The Philadelphia Eagles decline Jacksonville's offer to trade with a division rival, the Dallas Cowboys. The Eagles are no stranger to moving in the draft with divisional trade partners, they did it a few years ago when Dallas came up for Anthony Spencer. It does happen however, it's not very common, especially if you have another team offering you something.
My initial suspicion was that former Browns General Manager Phil Savage is now a member of the Eagles front office, and that's the easy connection. Phil Savage however, was fired from the Cleveland Browns in 2008, along with Romeo Crennell. While the Browns and Eagles really aren't buddies so to speak, it was interesting that the Eagles dumped the Jaguars offer in favor of the Cowboys. Unless the Eagles just completely thought Sean Lee wasn't going to amount to anything but Bobby Carpenter 2.0, why would they chose a division rival over an AFC team?
Gene Smith was able to make some moves in the draft, trading down, but that was mostly with the Oakland Raiders. The Raiders, as we all know, are run by Al Davis. Al Davis plays by his own set of rules, and he doesn't care what anyone else thinks. The Jaguars were also able to trade down with the New Orleans Saints, but again it was a trade down. If teams are going to blackball you, they're going to prevent you from moving up and selecting the player you target.
Do I think the Jaguars were blackballed in the draft?
Not necessarily, but it is very interesting how things shook out.
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No this is a conspiracy theory.
It’s really simple either nobody was willing to give Gene the value that he wanted for the 10th spot or he felt that Tyson Alualu’s draft value was more than anything he could have got by trading down. It has nothing to do with nobody wanting to trade down with him cause they don’t like him.
Yeah
The more these things linger, the more I think these ideas are a few gunmen short of a grassy knoll
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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 27, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
why start labeling
GS was really looking to trade down from 10 and trade up from 74. Maybe a mid-round pick of next year. If you watched RDs 2-4 there was deep talent available. GS loved the class.
GS is a scout at heart and you better believe was wanting some additional picks. I’m not saying there are multiple people out to get GS but I think there was a reason why the trades didn’t happen. Especially if Jag’s offer was better than another teams like GS eluded to with the Eagles pick.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 27, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it is possible...
As Alfie said, it isn’t about the trading down. It is about the trading up. We wanted Alualu plain and simple.
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I believe Gene Smith when he said there were other teams also interested in Tyson Alaulu, and that he didn’t want to trade that far down.
One thing you didn’t mention was that Gene said he actually could have traded down, but t wasn’t offered anything of value. i.e the 4th round pick the 49ers gave to the Broncos.
I have a hard time believing all the other teams got together besides the Raiders to blackball Gene Smith. Phil Savage got fired because he did a poor job overall.
I do think because Phil Savage works for the Eagles that in that specific case they indeed turned down Gene because of that.
I actually think in the end that Morrison will prove better than Lee, and the 5th they got that turned out to be Austen Lane will be much better than giving up picks for Lee.
Gene will get the last laugh!
I agree about about the Lee- Morrison thing
It is a much better deal to get a MLB in his prime; for a pick change(!!!); then trade up for a risky LB like LEee. So in the end I think the Eagles just do us a favor…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
So then you agree.
“I do think because Phil Savage works for the Eagles that in that specific case they indeed turned down Gene because of that.” That is what Alfie was saying.
by Conservative on Apr 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
How about this?
Some GMs with near Cleveland (Phily for example) might backlisted Gene. OThers don’T
Let’s see SF wanted a trade(pretty far from Cleveland)
We ha ve a 2nd trade in a few days with Oakland(Far from Cleveland)
A trade with New Oreans (Fra from Cleveleans…)
BY the way:
I think the pieces start to come together. Gene don’t want to trade down; bewcause Denver were high on Alualu as well. He didn’t trade down; and picked Tyson; so Denver trade out. I think that is a very likely scenario
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 27, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions
Man I can't rec this enough
Apart from the fact that Alfie has worked some solid connections within the media and 1 Stadium Place, this type of article brings it all back to the fun aspect of football. Heck, this actually may be cracking open a door to more fact than fiction.
Thanks for this piece Alfie.
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by Brian Fullford on Apr 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions
Gene was schooled
I had an idea that the Jags would suffer in this draft because of what happened with Don Carey last season between the Jaguars and the Browns. I totally believe that the other GM’s in the league shut out the Jags in this years draft to make sure our GM doesn’t make anymore unethical decisions like he did in his rookie year last year. I bet he learned his lesson and he will play nice from now on.
I don't know about Gene learning his lesson, but
the Browns sure learned one.
by Conservative on Apr 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What proof do you have that he got schooled?
I don’t see how its unethical to claim an injured 6th rounder who was waived.
Considering
That we made 2 really good trades (a very good new MLB for almost free; and a 4th rounder next year). I don’t see Gene being schooled.
As I wrote here; he get a much better trade after the Eagles turn him down on Lee. We would lost 1 or 2 picks; instead we got a pick; and very good veteran player in his prime…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 27, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
schooled?
that is pretty funny. implies that Alu was not a guy they wanted. I hope Gene continues to piss them off if that is what happened. You want to keep the guy, put him on IR. Browns deserved it.
This ethical argument has zero teeth. Reminds me of the stupid argument about the Padres bunting late in the game to ruin a perfect game by Schilling years ago. Play the game to win. Smith didn’t break any rules.
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by Brian Fullford on Apr 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Bunting to ruin a perfect game
is pretty crappy. You say play to win. If bunting would’ve won the game for them, so be it, but obviously that wasn’t the case. No hitter is a testament to the pitcher and the defense behind him. That bunt is childish.
Back to football. Unethical to take an injured player? No. They saw something in him and were willing to wait. That being said, there are these “unwritten rules” in all walks of life. Obviously Gene didn’t care and was prepared to deal with any consequences, not that I think there were any in this case.
by navycavsfan on Apr 27, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
So you limit how you play to facilitate a perfect game?
Put an asterisk by the game then. It doesn’t matter how close the game is. If a team can plate 9 runs in an inning, then any team is in the game as long as the game is being played. A no hitter is not a testament to any pitcher if the team he is playing again isn’t doing everything they can to win. Sad testament to sports if that is how people are thinking.
Back to football…I had never even heard of this unwritten rule.
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by Brian Fullford on Apr 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
"Unwritten baseball rules"
Have zero to do with football. Football is new school and new school is all about winning. Winning = $$$
by JohnnyBiceps on Apr 27, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
What people learned
is that if you have a player you want on your roster, you better put him on your roster. It appears GM Gene is averse to letting teams stockpile good players for free.
Could be part of that “small market strategy” some teams are being forced to use to survive.
Proof?
The only proof that I have is what I read from other teams regarding what the the Jags did and they said it is an unspoken gentlemans rule that you don’t claim other teams injured players when they are “waived”. The Jaguars did that and they were called on it. What other teams do that? It must not ever happen.
Which other teams
and in what positions were these spokesmen?
If you’re referencing draftnik blogs or fan comments, you do know they have no validity, don’t you?
Who really cares...
We now have a stud at MLB and jar on the shelf in Lane for Sean Lee (the guy had a serious knee injury)…Jags win again…
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by SDubxl456 on Apr 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Really?
We only have this “stud” linebacker for a year. If he plays well this year some other team will offer him more money than the Jags and he will be gone after this season.
Unless the Jags offer more money
Or franchise him. Problem solved.
Are you just looking for a problem?
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by Brian Fullford on Apr 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
I am just pointing out the fact that we are only guaranteed this year with Morrison, everyone is acting like we worked out a new contract with him already and we haven’t. We can try to sign him to a long contract but if he wants to go to a different team that pays better or that is closer to his family in California he will be gone after this season.
Kenzster...
I get your point, but that goes without saying. I don’t look at it as he’s here for one year and done… I look at it as the player is in a “show me” year being that he’s in a contract year.
I have alot of trust in Gene to know that he knows about that and it was probably discussed already.
If he has a great year and shows that he’s a team player, he’ll continue to be a Jaguars.
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I think they would have traded down, but wanted more than a fourth.......
I wouldn’t pass on a player I was in love with for a measly 4th round pick. Denver wanted him and very well could have had him. As for Cleveland, I’m sure there is some tension there. But this the NFL, a league of competition. That’s like me going down the street and leaving a $100 bill with my name on it in front of Wal-mart and expecting it to still be there tomorrow………………….LMAO.
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Fun article but like all conspiracy theories ...
The only thing I see that isn’t on the table was why Philly chose Dallas.
SF 49er probably did offer to trade down 3 spots. Gene thought Miami would have grabbed Alualu 2 spots lower. I don’t think Gene wanted to lose this guy after investing “every game he played for two years, i watched”. He was in love, simple as that.
Oakland traded nicely with us.
So two teams offered to trade, no blackball there. I think the teams that traded back after us had their own reasons, one of them might be because we claimed Alualu.
Philly like Dallas better. Doubt it was payback for a Cleveland nose tweeking.
But why let facts ruin the fun!!! That is what conspiracy theories are for, the fun of it.
Again, very enjoyable.
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I would rather Gene be blackballed than this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/27/jags-decision-not-to-trade-down-could-have-been-tied-to-tebow/
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by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 27, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
More conspiracy theories - it sells newspapers and drives internet traffic - pure and simple
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I don't like how many are brushing this off as conspiracy theories
Especially when Michael C. Wright said he believes there’s some truth to the idea that Gene was blackballed. I don’t think the 1st round was affected by this, but I have to believe the attempts to get Sean Lee were. As Alfie said, it’s really fishy that a team would trade with a division rival when the Jaguars reportedly made an equal or better offer.
You guys can call it a conspiracy theory all you want, but I’m about 99% sure Gene wasn’t treated completely equally due to the Carey move. I just hope this doesn’t continue year in and year out.
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Oh and I wanted to also completely agree with Brian
This is a great article with plenty of factual evidence. Good work Alfie, rec’d.
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I mentioned same thing Adam
I think its an isolated incident, being the same guy that was on the Browns Phil Savage, is now working for the Eagles. Like I said I don’t think the entire league is against Gene minus Al Davis.
So in the future, don’t look for the Eagles to be trade partners, other than that I think its business as usual.
Was Gene really Wrong?
How often do teams snag wounded players off the waiver wire when it’s known as a common courtesy they aren’t supposed to? Give examples of teams that have please.
I doubt it. The Eagles don’t care about trading within the division. They traded a pick to New York last year, Dallas this year, and obviously McNabb to the Skins.
Point is, they take the best offer no matter who it’s from. If the Jags couldn’t trade up, it’s probably because they didn’t have enough to offer. For the 55th pick the Eagles got the 59th and the 125th pick from Dallas. I don’t see that the Jags had the ammo to beat that deal.
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Eagles trading within Division
Actually Gene said it was a better deal and he has no idea why they went with Cowboys.
Like I said it actually worked out better in that the Jags got Morrrison and Lane from the Raiders trade.
What would they have offered that was better though? I’m looking at what the Jags had and I’m having trouble seeing it. Maybe they offered future picks?
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I just think that the Jaguars fell in love
and didn’t want to risk losing the guy. They probably didn’t know for sure that Miami would take him a couple of picks later, but they didn’t want to risk it. Thing is, I’m not a huge fan of a front office falling in love with a certain player. Anywho, I love the thoughts about a pass rush, run stuffing and forcing interceptions into the hands of Mathis and Cox this season. Sounds awesome.
ridiculous
The talking heads on TV are ALWAYS wrong but we still grade the draft on those idiots on television. Why can’t we wait and see why Gene, who is an NFL expert, has a better grasp on the field than we do?
I’d like to first say that I highly doubt the Jags got blackballed in this case… I agree with JasonB above and doubt the Jags could have offered more than the Cowboys for the trade… However I just wanted to point something out
My initial suspicion was that former Browns General Manager Phil Savage is now a member of the Eagles front office, and that’s the easy connection. Phil Savage however, was fired from the Cleveland Browns in 2008, along with Romeo Crennell. While the Browns and Eagles really aren’t buddies so to speak
This wouldn’t be the connection I’d be concentrating on. Maybe the fact that Holmgren is running the show in Cleveland and Heckert is their new GM. Andy coached under Holmgren in GB for awhile and he was more or less his mentor. Additionally, Heckert was the Eagles GM up until this season. We’ve already had some dealings between the Eagles and Browns happen this off season as well. Again, I’m not supporting this blackballed thing, but the Eagles and Browns do have real connections you didn’t mention.
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