Gene Smith, the Eagles are on the line and they want pick 10
by Adam Stites on Apr 4, 2010 9:53 PM EDT
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PrintThe Twitter world is blowing up right now with news that the Washington Redskins have traded away their 37th overall pick in this year's draft to give the Eagles yet another pick to work with in the 2010 draft. Philadelphia now has 5 of the first 87 picks in this year's draft and 11 picks overall.
As a playoff team at 11-5, the likelihood that the Eagles could find and draft 11 players that could make their team and contribute is unlikely, so there is a very good chance that the Eagles could look to trade up to an early spot in the first round. With Gene Smith having said that he would like to trade back and receive a 2nd round pick to replace the one lost in a trade for Derek Cox, might we have a match made in heaven between the Eagles and Jaguars.
Looking at past drafts, the teams most likely to make a big trade up into the top half of the first round are teams that feel they are only a piece or two away from a Super Bowl contender. The Eagles are making all the power play moves this offseason that indicate that they feel this way. Going into this offseason, the problems that the Eagle front office had to face were predominantly on the defensive side of the ball.
The single most important need to address had to be their pass rush. Although Trent Cole is definitely a dynamic pass rusher, Victor Abiamiri is not starting NFL quality and needed to be replaced. The Eagles addressed this bytrading for Browns DE Alex Hall and for Seahawks DE Darryl Tapp. In the trade for Alex Hall, the Eagles lost starting cornerback Sheldon Brown, making the CB position their new biggest need.
At the 10th pick in the draft, Joe Haden is very likely to be on the board when the Jaguars are on the clock. With the CB spot opposite Asante Samuel seeming to be the only spot left that the Eagles would want to address with a superstar player, the Eagles are the perfect candidate to trade with the Jaguars.
According to the trade value chart, the Jaguars could trade the 10th pick in exchange for the 24th and 37th picks and win the trade. However, typically in situations where a team trades up so far, the team lower in the draft order will give a discount in order to make the trade work. Meaning that a much more likely scenario would be that the Eagles trade their 24th and 55th picks along with a 4th or 5th round pick to acquire the 10th overall selection.
-Adam Stites
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I think neither will
Clausen will be drafted because QB is overdrafted. (Bills; Browns Raiders or a team will trade up). Berry can be this years Eugene Monroe; but maybe we wont be lucky twice
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 4, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
No they will not trade up. They just pick at 8
If Al Davis considered a trade offer for McNabb then he faced the reality that JMR is not the answer. I think Clausen will be gone before we pick- if he is still there-Gene will use him for trading down for more picks!
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 4, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
With the Raiders picking ahead of us
It’s almost like picking at 9
by Richierich_420 on Apr 4, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way Clausen being there works in the Jaguars' favor is when they use him as bait in order to trade back.
If Clausen is there at #10, the Jaguars are not taking him. They will charge another team a premium for the privilege to trade up. And that is exactly what they should do.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 4, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Jags would be lucky to trade back for value in a Defensive Gold Mine of a draft.(while avoiding the Tebow temptation).
In a deep draft like the class of 2010 has to offer, the Jags could remold and deepen their defense by trading back from 10th overall to receive a late 1st Round and an early 2nd Round pick. This would complement last year’s success as an Offensively orientated draft. To help former picks of Derrick Harvey and Q Groves the Jags need a DT to complement 3rd Round stud Terrance Knighton. Brian Price,Tyson Alualu and Torrel Troup are late 1st early 2nd RD gems at the DT position. A pass-rusher is also needed. In the late 1st RD they could address the need by landing Brandon Graham,Jerry Hughes, or Sergio Kindle. The need of a DB is strong as well they could grab the SLEEPER of this years draft. Now say this with me: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB out of Div II Indiana(PA).He is this year’s Derek Cox and then some. If the Jags cannot trade back they would be wise to select DT Dan Williams(Tennessee) or CB Joe Haden (Florida). If these players are gone RB CJ Spiller would be a good complement to MJD. Also consider Maurkice Pouncey who is a likely all pro interior O-lineman. I’m not touching Clausen and I wouldn’t think Tebow until 3rd RD if it all. But the Jags might think differently.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 5, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Adam you read in my mind?
I think Haden can be a candidate; because he would be perfect next to Samuel. Maybe we get lucky and cab get a 2nd and more….
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 4, 2010 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
I can't believe that Clausen could be a Jag
He’s not a Gene guy. He’s too diva, too drama. Gene likes a humble man, a hard hat. He won’t take Clausen. Bet on it. That ND queen will make good trade bait if he slips to 10 though. I can see Gene sliding his squirming ass on a hook. Here, fishy fishy.
Vae Victis!
I will take this opportunity to unignore you and agree whole-heartedly.
If Clausen is there at #10, it is a dream scenario for the Jags. Not because they will take him, but because they will use it to get picks from another unfortunate team.
In Gene We Trust.
by MoveThoseChains on Apr 4, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
+100000 to this Viator!
Life without knowledge is death in disguise
by Zoltan from Budapest on Apr 5, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Clausen ,,,,,,The same Clausen of N.D fame,,uhmmm didnt any 1 watch any N.D games
Look its pretty simple to me if we can trade down and get value for our pick we do it end of story. In my eyes there isnt that much difference in the talent up top of the first round than at the bottom this is a veary deep draft and we have a pretty damn good G.M . I think the dream cenerio is we trade with the Eagles get the 24th and 37th or 55th we get Pouncey with the 24th,Terrence Cody A massive D.T who can move a line or at 55 we could get dare i say Tim Tebow or Aaron Hernandez or maybe even Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern all im trying to say is we could trade down and get some great players in the process
I can tell you as an Eagle fan theres very little shot we would trade for the ten.
They like Berry so it would probably be 6. And they like Weatherspoon so maybe 16-18. Unless they decide to take McClain thats the only way. I don’t think they want Haden because they love Kyle Wilson and they can get him at 24 most likely.
That was another reason
as to why I didn’t think the Eagles will trade with us. The other reason is, we have similar needs. We probably have our eyes on the same players. We could use more pass rushers and a FS.
I my throwup
If the Jags trade back with Berry right there.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Berry is a stud.
I cannot see him being there, but grabbing him could give the Jaguars an answer when playing the Texan’s Owen Daniels and Kevin Walter(who have lit the Jags up) and the Colt’s Dallas Clark. Only big safeties and fast linebackers are able to match well with these divisional foes.The hybrid TE-WR is creating a new positional need for a hybrid safety-linebacker. That is why I have Taylor Mays a projected linebacker. However trading back is still an option and wise decision – with the deep pool of talent in late 1st and the 2nd RD. It is full of DTs LBs and interior O-linemen.The 2nd RD will be the home of the 6’0 207lbs CB(and FS) from Indiana(PA):Akwasi Owusu-Ansah. He could give the Jags secondary great flexibility. Compare him with the potential and measurables of Nnamdi asomugha.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 5, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll
Try to dig some up on Owusu-Ansah. But Berry instantly upgrades the defense and starts day one. I wouldn’t take a safety inside the top ten, but if we can’t trade back either Berry or Earl Thomas is my ideal pick.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I agree with Berry but I'd trade back if Thomas is there
even though i like Thomas alot. If we trade from 10 we could land Chris Cook or Kareem Jackson in late 1st and 2nd along with A O-A. This would let us take Brian Price, Tyson Alualu,Koa Misi or Jerry Hughes. Maybe even Javid Best. 2 players is better than 1 in a deep draft.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 5, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah
See man, I’d take Thomas there as well. Berry and Thomas are my two favorite first rounders in this draft though, so I’m weighted in the stay at ten direction with those two. However if it were McClain or Derrick Morgan there, I might trade back.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Jags could restore defense especially when trading back and avoiding Tebow.
In a deep draft like the class of 2010 has to offer, the Jags could remold and deepen their defense by trading back from 10th overall to receive a late 1st Round and an early 2nd Round pick. This would complement last year’s success as an Offensively orientated draft. To help former picks of Derrick Harvey and Q Groves the Jags need a DT to complement 3rd Round stud Terrance Knighton. Brian Price,Tyson Alualu, Jared Odrick and Torrel Troup are late 1st early 2nd RD gems at the DT position. A pass-rusher is also needed. In the late 1st RD they could address the need by landing Brandon Graham,Jerry Hughes,Koa Misi or Sergio Kindle. The need of a DB is strong as well they could grab the SLEEPER of this years draft. Now say this with me: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB out of Div II Indiana(PA).He is this year’s Derek Cox and then some. He will also flourish as a Free Safety. If the Jags cannot trade back they would be wise to select DT Dan Williams(Tennessee) or CB Joe Haden (Florida). If these players are gone RB CJ Spiller would be a good complement to MJD. Also consider Maurkice Pouncey (he will be gone later) who is a likely all pro interior O-lineman. I’m not touching Clausen and I wouldn’t think Tebow until 3rd RD if it all. But the Jags might think differently.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 5, 2010 2:24 AM EDT reply actions
The Jags do think differently...
It’s all about the money. Don’t let anyone tell you differently. They have to sell tickets. That’s a must. They have to sell tickets now. Not hope for a winning season and try to convince a waning fan base going into next year to invest in what? No football? Weaver needs to make his money now. Do you think that nearly 20% of ticket holders are holding out on renewing without stipulation? They want something. I bet Wayne gives it to them.
We’d all like to think that draft picks will be made on sound football logic and not from a marketing standpoint. The Jaguars maintain that is exactly their intention. I doubt it. You can’t trust anything any team says at this point in the year. It’s all about subterfuge. There is a good chance there will be a lockout next year. Which franchise owner needs the money now more than Wayne? Let’s not be naive. It’s all about the money.
Hide and watch.
Vae Victis!
Tebow will make the Gator fans happy-but forget about winning in the next few years.
Owner Wayne Weaver had a meeting with current Jag’s ticket-holders. He asked them the big question:Do they want to draft Tebow? 55% said no 45% said yes. Let’s hope Weaver will side with the 55% , but I’m sure the huge Gator fan-base will make it highly likely that the Jags go after him. I guess it’s worth it for them to buy the Jersey and watch him stand on the side-lines and muck up the QB situation. Tebow has a lot to work on, and at the Senior Bowl, he showed that he has trouble making decisions and dissecting the defense. NFL’s 3-4 and higher echelon 4-3 defenses are far more complex than anything seen at the Senior Bowl. Couple this with the fact that he hasn’t thrown intermediate and advanced routes. He is going to have a lot of work ahead of him to be a NFL calliber QB.I say all this while being a Gator fan.The Jag’s have too much invested in Garrard. However, Garrard must show that he can make decisions quicker and make the clutch play. Most importantly, the Jaguars have lost their defensive identity. This draft is the deepest defensive draft seen in years. It will be painful to pass up talent that could provide the Jags with defensive dominance again (especially in the 2nd RD which the Jags are pick-less).
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 5, 2010 7:28 PM EDT reply actions
That's not how it happened.
Vicbow had a fan forum in which he asked the question to 800 ticket holders. The result was 55% to 45% saying no to Tim. They had another pole question asking the ticket holders if they planned to renew. The results were nearly 100% saying yes they would. But that’s not how it has played out, now has it? The nearly 6,000 ticket holders that have yet to renew must not have been a part of the poll. The question was obviously skewed. Vic is not Wayne, and Vic is not Gene. Be not confused. You make yourself sound uninformed. I was on the line for the call. I heard it all first hand. Did you?
Tim won’t play for the 1st year or two with the Jags (if he is drafted) unless he’s willing to switch positions. That won’t happen. He’ll have plenty of time to hone his craft under DG.
When this thing goes down just remember you heard it from me. I’ve never doubted that Tim will wear teal. Wayne will side with his wallet. Bet on it.
Vae Victis!
The 6,000 are not holding out for Tebow.
The problem with ticket renewal is more economic than that of the fans wanting Tebow. Tebow would bring new fans to the Jags stadiums-there called gator fans. J-ville is full of gator fans. They greatly outnumber Jag fans even though most are somewhat fans of both. I’ve always known that Weaver would want to take Tebow to get the additional fans. It has little to do with the fan renewals. Its economic. However, for looking at the team needs and weaknesses the Jags would be remiss to not go defense in the draft. Now you’re informed
out
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 5, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll bolster the defense
Have no doubt. They won’t Tebow every pick. Just one. You believe the remaining renewal holdouts are all economic casualties, I say you’re wrong. There was a fallout over cutting Fred Taylor, and there is a holdout for Tebow happening now. Know your home, understand where you are. It’s the way it is. Perhaps you’re not from around here.
You still haven’t accounted for your misinformation about Weaver having a meeting with ticket holders and inquiring about Tim. That didn’t happen. For me, that debunks your credibility. How can I rely on any information from you? I don’t know if you’re simply mistaken or trying to sell a lie. Either way I can’t take that trash. You might wanna go back in.
Vae Victis!
Take the blinders off. Dont be bogged in minutia.
That was not fallout for cutting Freddie. Thats an extreme over-statement.He was spent. He was a great Jag- a fan favorite, but most knew like the coaches that he was over the hill. Look at NE last year for reference. The renewal holdout is not for Tebow. If you can’t see that its economic then what can I tell you look around ya. That 6,000 does not even compare with the 12,000(under statement) + Gator Fans that do not go to Jag games currently. Why would they, there into college football. You bring there college hero into their backyard, they will be lining up.
Theres no misinfo to acount for other than someone posted saying Weaver had the meeting wit ticket holders. I heard from Vic that it was 55%against Tebow 45% for Tebow. I stated the correct percentages. Who cares if Weaver had a meeting or if Vic had a poll? So a minute detail (concerning Vic having a meeting or Vic having a poll and Weaver learning about it.) should discredit a myriad of facts and player anaysis that i have posted. You’re full of blinders,it seems to be. Bottom line big picture: Weaver payed attention to the pole-doubt this not, but I don;t see it weighing into his decision(being as it was almost neutral). Factor the many Gator fans that don’t go to Jags games if becomes transposed.
out
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 6, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you may be wearing blinders on the Taylor issue
I agree that Fred was past his prime. Be that as it may, there was a portion of ticket holders that were so pissed that the Jags released the perceived best player on the team that they did not renew. Fred is perhaps the most beloved Jaguar of all time. His release shocked the fans. That coupled with the disappointment of the losing season sent many over the edge. I’ll admit the failing economy factors in here, but Fred was the catalyst. They showed their disdain by pulling out their investment in the team. It wasn’t just Gator fans, it was Jags fans.
Tim will create a surge in ticket sales. We need that now. It doesn’t matter if they’re Gator fans, because with time they’ll fan in love with the Jags whether Tebow sticks or not. We just need them in the stadium. Tim will be a dynamic player for our team, I believe that. He will be a Jaguar. You don’t have to like it, you just have to accept it. But not yet! Hold out hope that it will not happen while you can. The draft is 16 days away.
Vae Victis!
I don't know a single fan who wouldnt attend games due to Fred Taylor. Especially after seeing a season in NE.
We will set our team back years if giving up what we would give up to get Tebow. That being our 10th Overall (idiotic ), a future 2nd-even 1st, OR almost the remainder of our selections. Add on to that that we have no 2nd RD pick. That being where they would go to get him. Current Jag fans aren’t calling for Tebow, The majority of Jacksonville area population (that are sports fans) are. The gator fans.
by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on Apr 6, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Fred Taylor
Last year, dude, the fallout over Fred was last year. Remember 17,000 non-renewals?! This year we have roughly 6,000 non-renewals. The majority of Jacksonville’s sports fans are what is required to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville. You’re almost making my argument for me here. I understand that a major portion of Jax are Gator fans, that’s my point! Hahahah, wow. We need those Gator fans to be Jags fans. We need to draft some fans. That’s our most glaring need. Fan support, without it we have nothing. What’s a bigger set back: losing a pick or losing the team? I get that you don’t see his potential. Neither does Crow…or Vic for that matter. That doesn’t bother me, I’ve my own mind. I see a great potential in Tim. I trust Gene and Wayne will make the right decision for our team and town.
Just don’t be shocked when the man at the podium says his name in tandem with our team. That’s all I’m saying. Be prepared.
Vae Victis!
I can't wait for April 22....
and I hope Tebow does not wear teal. Let the chips fall where they may after that. The only answer to continued full stadiums is victory on the field, and I do not see Tim Tebow ever having a positive contribution to that!
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