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As we all know, the safety position is still a gaping hole in the Jacksonville Jaguars secondary.  Outside of Gerald Alexander, the other starting safety position looks pretty grim. There are some promising young players who showed early in mini-camp, but it's way too early to pin the hopes on guys picked up off the waiver wire last season and picked up as undrafted free agents.

So, what's left out there?

Star-divide

The safety free agent pool wasn't great to begin with. It was loaded with restricted free agents (RFA's) who had/have high tenders. The best of the RFA bunch is Rams safety O.J. Atogwe, but teams have avoided him like he has leprosy or something.

So, who's all out there?

O.J. Atogwe - Atogwe is coming off a stellar season, but he was only tendered by the Rams with the right of first refusal. He has yet to sign his tender, and no one during the negotiation period really showed any interest in him.  There is talk however, that in June Atogwe could become an unrestricted free agent. If that occurs, I would expect the market for him to heat up.

Danieal Manning - Manning is still lurking around as a free agent, though his biggest asset is as a kick returner. He is currently a restricted free agent, but he wants a new contract. The problem is, no one knows if Manning is an adequate safety, a cornerback, a nickelback, or just a kick returner.

Ken Hamlin - Hamlin was released by the Dallas Cowboys due to a high salary, but he could provide as a short term stop-gap for some teams. He was a Pro-Bowler for the Cowboys in 2007, but his play has fallen off since then.  He's not renowned for his coverage ability, but he is good from coming up and stopping the run.

Jermaine Phillips - Phillips has been a pretty good safety for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, even flirting with moving up to outside linebacker because of his tackling ability and size.  He started 7 seasons with the Bucs, but always battled injuries. Phillips could be a fill-in at the strong safety position while Gerald Alexander slides over to the free safety spot, but Phillips has some off-the-field issues. He was recently arrested for domestic battery (Jan. 2010).

John Wendling - Wendling is essentially just a special teams type of player.  He doesn't offer much as far as a starting safety is concerned.

Atogwe clearly looks like the best choice given the Jaguars missed out on veteran safety Darren Sharper, but it is rather curious teams haven't even negotiated with him.  There hasn't even been reported interest by teams.  The other two servicable options would seem to be Hamlin or Phillips, but Phillips seems to have too many off-the-field issues for general manager Gene Smith, who's made that a priority.

Unfortunately, it looks like help is not on the way.

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Thanks for posting this!

I have been wondering who’s available ever since they couldn’t get Sharper.

by dan073eb on May 10, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Other names to consider

These guys have been mentioned before by their teams as being offered in a trade.

Donte Whitner Bills top ten draft pick three years ago. Young with huge upside. Has shown flashes but has been a bust so far. Take a late round pick and throw in Nelson.

Michael Huff Raiders same exact scenario as Whitner.

Jarrad Page-Chiefs-Was hurt last year, but is a promising young and a leader. Might be expandable due to drafting Eric Berry. Much like Bernard Pollard the Chiefs could look to trade him.

OJ Atogwe-Rams- Coming off a shoulder injury late in year. Was told he wouldn’t be able to pass a physical almost two months ago. Might be the reason nobody has shown any interest. I believe the Jags will be highly interested in him if he becomes a free agent. Jags can’t express an interest or say anything, because its tampering.

Atogwe will have plenty of interest after June 1, its just a question of will the Jags pay what it takes to get him. I have a feeling the Dolphins will throw crazy money at him.

by SBNATION1 on May 10, 2010 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Donte Whitner

Plays well enough to be worth acquiring, but doesn’t fit our program. He’s been moved all over the field, a team first guy, but may have some of the same issues Reggie does. A big difference is he’s a very vocal and passionate guy, but has also been arrested a few times. I’m not sure we want his attitude if he’s not making good decisions:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4061171

I’d also take his replacement, George Wilson, if he was an option, but given the durability of NFL safeties I think the Bills are just fine rotating three guys over two spots.

by alsonot on May 10, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one will show interest

in Atogwe until he signs, regardless if the deadline has passed.

by Ewdtrey on May 14, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Bethea?????

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me

by FRANKdubz on May 10, 2010 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

95 tackles, 4 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles..............

what would we have to do to get him?

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me

by FRANKdubz on May 10, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

bahhhhh..........

nevermind………..1st rd tender

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me

by FRANKdubz on May 10, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I was thinking the same thing, but knew he had a high tender. I didn’t know it was a first though. Thats a steep ass price.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 11, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could trade

for Sanders or Melvin Bullitt.

by Ewdtrey on May 14, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like the only group of people that think Juice Atogwe is legit

are fans. I don’t claim to know anything that others don’t, but the lack of any interest in OJA wouldn’t make me feel any better about Safety even if they brought him in…

by JohnnyBiceps on May 10, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

It looks like our only options are:

Atogwe in June
Trade

I wish we could do a player for player trade and not have to give up a pick. I’m not against going after Atogwe but we should try to give alot to get him. In fact, I’m highly for the move.

by Catfanatic1979v1 on May 10, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

shouldn’t try to give alot. typo.lol

by Catfanatic1979v1 on May 10, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

OJ OJ OJ OJ OJ...............

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me

by FRANKdubz on May 10, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

or we can just hope that Reggie finally gets good again.

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me

by FRANKdubz on May 10, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just praying

 that Ronnie Lott starts wearing shape-ups and his strength and posture improves so much that he can make a comeback

Shake and Bake

by theMAGICman on May 10, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news for us!

Well Atogwe is NOT signed his tender with the Rams.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/05/10/wyche-atogwe-wont-sign-tender-with-rams/

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by Zoltan from Budapest on May 10, 2010 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder how much is gonna be enough for this guy.

He has been franchised in the past and has been making serious cake. He made 6.3 mil last year according to that article. I wonder if he is really that good, as I haven’t seen that much of him and just how much cash it would take to get him.

by BIBBEE on May 10, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Instead

Of bringing in someone new, we could chill and let Reggie have another year. With the pass rush hopefully taking a step forward, and other talent around him furthur developing in the secondary, he could improve. He wasn’t that bad last year. He screwed up a few times in big moments, but not consistently. He only had four missed tackles all year.

Or we could sign Kordell Stewart. He says he wants to make a comeback, and that guy can play anything.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 10, 2010 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Does the 4 include where he was nowhere close to the play?

Four missed tackles and forty blown plays and 400 missed assignments maybe.

by BIBBEE on May 10, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's

A cover two safety, not a single high bullet.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 10, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah lets get Atogwe if we can..........

but if not………..I pray Reggie has had some sort of intervention this offseason. “Whaddup I’m Reggie. R-E-G-G-I-E………………………………..” Reggie agreed to be on a documentary about addiction. “I’m addicted to pump fakes, bad tackling, and being out of position just about every single play. I used to be a stallion, but the bad play drugs have affected my performance.”

frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me

by FRANKdubz on May 10, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 11, 2010 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

He wad that bad last year.

by Slawsc on May 11, 2010 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Reggie deserves the chance

to shine in his Fourth year?. A Safety with no pash rush is not going to be a Pro Bowl Safety.
The real concern is the poor tackling and bad angles he takes.
I say give him this year to prove he is the player worthy of the first round pick.
Just try to make strong competition at training camp.

by jagswinbig on May 11, 2010 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

He was

Benched last year. He is on the decline. I have run out of patience w him.

by Slawsc on May 11, 2010 10:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He did not take bad angles

at least not anymore than anyone else.

by Ewdtrey on May 14, 2010 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt mind Hamlin as a stop gap guy.

He doesnt have to be great just play solid and we should be ok. Has there been any rumors out there that have the Jags being interested in anyone.

by JagSoldier on May 11, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Ken Hamlin? OJ? Donte?

There are significant reasons why their teams have giving up on them…I’ll take Reggie and Gerald this year (I think they will improve because of a quicker, better Dline) and look for the draft to upgrade via BAP…

One life to live, live it to the fullest...

by SDubxl456 on May 11, 2010 6:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Everyone

On this list except for Atogwe is a strong safety. Wouldn’t be too effective when we already have Alexander locked there.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 11, 2010 7:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Alexander played FS i beleive in Detroit, he can move.

by rhettchrystal on May 11, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

He fits

Better as a strong safety. Hard hitter with average speed for a safety. We play cover 2, he’ll still be in coverage plenty.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 11, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

They played

a left right scheme, more so than a FS/SS system.(In layman’s terms)

by Ewdtrey on May 14, 2010 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vic might have dropped a hint

That the Jags are interested in OJ

by jstnblke41 on May 11, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i was going to say the same thing. his ask vic column today suggests quite a bit of interest from the jags.

by abeaugh on May 11, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

But I’m thinking neither Vic nor the team are allowed to say anything without it being tampering.

Clearly if teams tell O.J. or his agent they’re interested he has no reason to sign the RFA Tender forcing the Rams to either pay 110% of his previous contract or let him become a UFA.

by pksiv on May 11, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forget about looking for a viable

FS. I say we start looking around for some big CB’s with range and good tackling. Like Tyron, but with more speed.

by Ewdtrey on May 14, 2010 4:22 AM EDT reply actions  

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