The Art of War: Know Thy AFC South Enemies - Titans
by silencecs on May 15, 2010 3:37 PM EDT
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PrintTo see victory only when it is within the ken of the common herd is not the acme of excellence.
Sun Tzu
What this quote means is that you have to beat the best to be considered the best. Jeff Fisher has done that and is the best coach in the division by a sizable margin; he is a top-five NFL coach. He is the rock of that organization, much like Gene Smith is on his way to becoming in Jacksonville. A successful general (Fisher) garners trust from his King (the owner).
First of all, let's banish the idea that Chris Johnson is going to have a protracted holdout, he's not. Running back is not a weakness on this team, and LenDale White is easily replaceable. In fact, I expect one of their recently acquired backs to fill his role easily this season.
That being said, the Titans are not unstoppable and have a few glaring holes on their squad that must be assessed and targeted.
The Secondary - Last season the Titans ranked 28th in total defense, and 31st in the league in pass defense. Their pass rush wasn't as strong last season which led to the exploitation of the secondary, similar to what we saw here in Jacksonville. The Titans focused on the safety and cornerback positions in the draft, using 4th and 5th-round picks on cornerbacks Alterraun Verner from UCLA, and Robert Johnson from Utah.
They followed by using a 6th rounder to draft Myron Rolle, FSU's Rhode Scholar who runs a 4.7 40-yard-dash on a good day. Not enough speed in my opinion, but he was only a 6th rounder. The Titans will need these three players to develop quickly to add depth and competition at the corner and safety spots.
The Defensive Line - The interior of the Titans line got a boost when Tony Brown signed a long-term contract to stay with the team this offseason. Kyle Vanden Bosch is no longer with the organization and is a tough player to replace, however, the team arguably struck gold when Derrick Morgan fell into their laps. He is the most NFL ready defensive end in the draft and although his ceiling isn't nearly as high as a guy like Jason Pierre-Paul, he's leaps and bounds ahead of him technically.
The Titans seemed to have focused on defense much the way the Jaguars did this offseason. We'll see if they solved their issues and continue rebuilding. They have had what appears to be a very solid offseason, so it will be interesting to see how Jeff Fisher is able to utilize his new players.
The Quarterback - I'm sorry, but when Vince Young is your QB, that's a weakness. He's not Michael Vick in his prime, and he never will be. He's entering the last year of his original contract and has thrown more INT's than TD's in his career. Yet, according to him, he's going to the Hall of Fame... "Let you tell it Willis!"
Yes, Young can run around and make plays with his feet, but he's not a great decision making QB. He has one of the ugliest throwing motions I've seen, and although it has slightly improved over time, he's not consistent and will make technical errors more often than he should. He's below average in the passing game, and if the Titans didn't have Chris Johnson to keep defenses focused on the run, then Vince would be an anemic passer.
Sun Tzu would say we have to attack Vince, and attack him decisively, as he's clearly the most glaring weakness of the enemy's army.
-Collin Streetman
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Agree
On the secondary and d-line, but I don’t think QB is a weakness. I love VY. Last season he showed he can play football, and well. He completely turned around a team that went from looking as if it wouldn’t win a game to almost making a miracle playoff run.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
We'll have to agree to disagree on Young.
I don’t think half a season of wins when he only played semi-adequately and the team had the best RB in the league is all that big of an accomplishment.
Molōn labe!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
by silencecs on May 15, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I agree that Young is one of the weaknesses.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 15, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying
He was an all-pro last year, but the team finally got some halfway decent receivers and he improved immensely. He had a positive TD interception ratio, threw for 1800 yards in ten games, and only threw for multi interceptions(only two) once. He had a few comebacks late in games last year, and stepped up and took a leadership role.
I’m fine with disagreeing, everyone has a right to their opinion; though I feel you are talking just about the old VY. 2007 was a long time ago.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
While I don't think VY saved the season or anything
I will say that the Titans organization has lot more trust in him than before and he’s taken huge steps in leadership. His fundamentals have never been excellent, but they are improving and are more than adequate. Though I can see if you were the Jags, why you would attack him, I think the defense is vulnerable but I think our offense will be pretty solid. If you beat us, I’d be more willing to bet that it would be because MJD and Garrard have monstrous days against our weak D, rather than off VY’s poor play.
Also, this was an excellent write-up, and just thought I’d you let guys know that. Its nice to see rival blogs still post good columns where the fans actually have a fairly good discussion about the teams.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for stopping by...
I think this is VY’s prove it year and he knows it. The organization can’t be too confident in him or they would have extended his contract rather than let him “prove it” and earn a huge payday.
The lack of an extension shows the organization is NOT fully confidant in him, in my opinion. If he has a big year, and with a new agent, he’s going to get paid BIG.
-C
Molōn labe!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
Ya I think this is a big year for him
But if they weren’t confident in him, they probably would have restructed his deal. VY’s fresh off a huge offseason bonus and makes a ton this year.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
it’s not like the Titans had a bargaining chip. If told VY to restructure, why would he do it knowing there is no depth. Not to mention your owner his higher on him than most NFL personnel.
by Ewdtrey on May 15, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Alright, fair enough, I'll cave on those points
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That's probably correct.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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I think if we beat the Titans
it’s probably because we stopped Chris Johnson, as he was the main reason your team was a challenge, that and your amazing OL. Vince Young traditionally has not played well against us. He did get to pick on our worst starting player last year in Reggie Nelson, while he was trying to make a temporary position switch from FS to CB.
That seems to be the key to stopping the Titans... stopping CJ
That’s not easily accomplished though.
Molōn labe!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
I think it's not all about
being great, as much as not making a mistake because he will make you pay.
The
Key to stopping the Jags is stopping MJD. Doesn’t mean Garrard isn’t a good quarterback though.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Well...
For starters, one was born in New Jersey in 1978 and the other in Houston in 1983.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 16, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
At this point in his career. David is 32 and Vince is 26. By the time Vince gets to his early thirties he could become the same level of QB as Garrard.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
David also wasnt drafted in the first round.
frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba
"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me
David also didn't score a 6 out of 50 on the Wonderlic.....
He has amazing athletic ability, I think you and I have discussed VY before. I just don’t think he has what it takes mentally to lead a team. I’m not saying David is as good as Peyton Manning, but he is better than VY as a QB and as a leader. I don’t think the ceiling gets any higher for Vince. But as always, this is just my opinion.
frankDUBZ aka Frank Silba
"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything" - Me
I feel you
Only time will tell.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Maybe
he could become the same level. I think many people make that assumption all too often, especially considering how many players regress every year.
But Vince
Isn’t regressing. He is clearly improving.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
I think you need to see year over year improveent to make that statement.
While going from depression and tears to a functioning quarterback IS improvement. We need to see Vince put a whole season together to really know if he is making strides for the long term.
When your team is 0-6, it’s certainly a much less stressful environment to take over in than starting from 0-0 with all the expectations riding on you.
Something to consider.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 16, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear that
Like I said, only time will tell. Until then though, Im holding my opinion that Vince can be a great QB someday.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
You need to get to the point.....
quit beating around the bush!
Now that you've done the weaknesses...
Are we going to look at strengths and how the Jags will combat them?
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 15, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
WE still have to look at ourselves...
Knowing thy self is a major theme of Sun Tzu. That is the next article.
Molōn labe!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
I think the Jags maximizing it's weakness
will be it’s own annodote for the AFC South
One life to live, live it to the fullest...
by SDubxl456 on May 15, 2010 5:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think the maximizing its weakness...
will be it’s own annodate for the AFC South…meaning they have built it defensive line this offseason which in theory should give them a better chance at the controlling the line of scrimmage and minimizing successful run plays therefore they wouldn’t get beat ALL the time with PA passes etc…
One life to live, live it to the fullest...
I think VY will be fine.
I think he has all the tools to be successful. The only problem he has had is the mental aspect of the game. I think he was very immature his first few years. He should be a lot better this year.
Also Jags fans:
This is my first time over at BCC, and after browsing through the articles, it seems many of you can’t stand the MCM commenters. For the most part I think our commenters do a pretty good job of being respectful, so why the vitriol? Maybe I just haven’t been around long enough. The Colt fans used to be bad but they’re rebelling against BBS, and so, that only leaves the Texan fans (which I hate) simply because they continue to love Cushing.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
We continue to support Cushing
because he’s in the uniform and this whole suspension mess isn’t as easy as saying, “Oh, dude juiced.”
He didn’t test positive for steroids. He did test positive for hCG which…honestly, no one knows how it got there (and yes, every day some sort of new fact comes out on this story). Yes, the outside fans are going to jump all over him, but the fans of the team will wait to see what exactly is the case before we burn him at the stake.
As we’ve seen in other sports, hometown fans will support the guys in uniforms. I mean, how many Steeler fans still support Big Ben? Or Yankee fans support A-Rod and all the others? It’s just how it is.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I'm all for sticking up for your players
But as of right now the evidence is stacked against him. If its proven he’s clean, then I will retract everything I have ever said about him. Quite frankly I think he’s BSing. Also, when someone has something like this happen, just cause he’s on your team I don’t think you have to support him. I didn’t support Pacman, nor did I support Chris Henry and Kevin Vickerson after they failed their PED tests.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that the evidence is not stacked against him.
The league’s own experts disagreed in their testimony on whether he juiced or not.
Here’s the scoop:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7006235.html#none
The more the facts come out, the more I see yet another bad league policy hosng players.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 15, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting article and I'll have to give it some thought for sure. I'll be paying close attention over the upcoming weeks.
Right now, he is guilty as stated by the league. If that changes, then I would re-evaluate and most likely change my view.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to tell you this but
just because his lawyer says something, doesn’t make it true. That whole article is total spin on Steinberg’s part, and it is completely bogus. I think this article puts it in perspective:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/15/steinberg-continues-belated-damage-control-for-cushing/
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
I hate to tell YOU this...but that article is written by Mike Florio.
In other words…..false until proven true.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 16, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Having said that though, I'm not saying Cushing didn't juice....
Just that the whole story has yet to be told and there is enough evidence to say it could go either way.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 16, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
But he makes more sense than a weasel lawyer trying to blame the NFL for his client cheating.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Cushings excuse was proven FALSE anyway
so it doesn’t really matter what was written anyway
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Well let's agree to discuss agree.
Not trying to hijack the Titan’s breakdown thread here.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 16, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just one more comment
the only people(Other than Cushing) with all the info were the ones that gave him his suspension. I’ve never known the NFL to suspend someone for doing nothing.(Don’t tell me Big Ben did nothing)
Found a good article that sums up the whole saga well.
http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/05/brian_cushing_confirmation_bia.html
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 17, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Again I'm not making a judgement call, just sharing info.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 17, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
I assume the NFL heard all of this, and had good enough reason to suspend him anyway.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
whoever wrote this
about vince young is smoking a lotta dick right now cuz vince young isn’t jamarcus russell. In fact VY has thrown more TD’s than INT’s by a large margin and has won over 65% ov his games as a starter.
Have fun stayin at the basement of the AFC South JAX fans.
My Bronco fan friends are gonna be really annoying this year.
by RareColoradoTitanFan on May 15, 2010 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
No, don't come over here man and be ignorant.
Heck I just wrote how Titans fans and usually respectful and you’re shooting that theory out the window. VY has thrown more INTs than TDs go check the statistics. You are close to being correct on the percent games won, I think its closer to 60 than 65 percent. But please, don’t say dumb things in front of other fans. You make them think Titan fans are ignorant.
On the positive side, VY isn’t Russell. At least you’re right about that.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
+1
that was classy of you to correct a fellow fan…
come back anytime!
-C
Molōn labe!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
I'll be back!
You guys have a lot of good write-ups!
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that was awesome
I’m glad you came over. Respect
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
Also +1ing it
I’m all about the discussion of football even across divisional lines…except with BBS. There’s no talking with that dude.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Looks like we agree on that!
Looking forward to many more football discussions with Jag, Texan and Colt fans. Except the aforementioned BBS. ;)
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 15, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I like the fact that we can have intelligent debate with divisional rival fans like this
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
by JagsAlex87 on May 15, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted to let this slide, but it wouldn't be fair to RCTF.
In the future, I’d suggest you check your facts before berating other MCM contributors and Titan fans. In particular, don’t call someone “ignorant”, or tell them to “check the facts”, when you’ve failed to do the same.
You are close to being correct on the percent games won, I think its closer to 60 than 65 percent.Vince is 26-13 as a starter, ie 66% win percentage.
Honestly asking...
why give a record for a QB?
The QB’s dependent on the rest of the offense plus doesn’t impact the defense or special teams, so why attach a record to a QB?
Leading 4th quarter drives, I understand, but not a game record.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I somewhat agree.
I suppose the main reason a record is given to QB play, and not other positions, has to do with their influence on the game. Any player that touches the ball on every single offensive possession is going to have a huge impact on the outcome of the game.
I kind of toe the line on this one. At the end of the day, football has a lot to do with things that sometimes don’t show up in a stat book (chemistry, attitude, confidence, etc.). As much as we want to confine everything to a numbers game, these are humans we’re dealing with. From that standpoint, a record can help complete the story of how a team reacts to a quarterback, and whether he motivates and elevates the players around him.
So, while I’m not ready to annoint Vince as the next coming, it does raise an eyebrow when not once, but twice he’s come in mid season, and made a team with a basement dwelling defense a winner.
You want to crown him, then crown his ass!
But seriously, great quarterbacks are judged on PLAYOFF wins, not regular season wins. When he wins in the postseason, then he’ll silence a lot of critics.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Just a little joke
Never mind. Serves me right for trying to tell a joke to a Titans fan.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
by JagsAlex87 on May 16, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
SuperHorn I put the "I think" in because I didn't have the stats for his win-loss record, and was merely going off memory
The TD and INT stats I did have, and so thats why I called him out.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
he called him out for being rude after he complimented Titans fans, actually
Molōn labe!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
I called him out because he was acting rude and got a stat wrong
Now, perhaps I should have worded it better, but I was pretty mad that I did just say that Titan fans are generally respectful and he started off with something like “whoever wrote this is gonna smoke a lot of dick” and then also mentioned that VY’s thrown more TDs than INTs “by a large margin.” A comment like that reflects poorly on Titan fans.
I will own up to my mistake of going off memory of VY’s win loss record (and correcting him on it), but apart from that I stand by my comment. I thought he was blatantly rude and was clearly way off on the TD INT stat.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay sounds good.
Just wanted to make sure everything was cleared up.
Yes my screen name is WTF13.
"What a message for HS football players and athletes in general ... Cheaters don't just win, they win twice!" -Ross Tucker, on Brian Cushing.
by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for that key info
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
very refreshing
tht theres no bickering between fans but i guess thats wat being division rivals do to u ;) and is bbs rlly tht bad?
WTF I want my handle back......
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on May 16, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
What is in a Name?
After all that talk about how great jag fans are I am almost remiss to speak. I did say almost. With VY and chris Jhonson no one is worried about the Titans. With CJ2K the Titans are force. Please hold out!!!
by the titans suck on May 16, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
Respectfully, you're way off base.
I’ll try to keep this as civil as possible, as nothing in your post, however misguided and wrong, is especially inflammatory.
Jeff Fisher has done that and is the best coach in the division by a sizable margin; he is a top-five NFL coach.
No. He’s not. Look at his body of work. The guy is remarkably average.
Sun Tzu would say we have to attack Vince, and attack him decisively, as he’s clearly the most glaring weakness of the enemy’s army.The secondary was the “glaring weakness”. It’s not even close.
I’m sorry, but when Vince Young is your QB, that’s a weakness. He’s not Michael Vick in his prime, and he never will be. He’s entering the last year of his original contract and has thrown more INT’s than TD’s in his career.1. This isn’t the last year of his contract. That comes in 2011.
2. So you’re going to take a cumulative statistic and use that as your only facts to criticize why Vince is a “weakness”? Warren Moon also had more interceptions that touchdowns after his first three seasons as the starter. In fact, Moon’s QB rating digressed in each of those seasons. I don’t find that any more relevant than Vince’s cumulative totals. The point is that, you can’t take a statistic like that which spans over multiple seasons and use it as wholesale evidence that a guy is a failure.
The kid came from a school that ran an offense that was about as far from a pro style system as you could expect. In spite of that, Vince has gone 26-13 as a starter while he was “learning”. And while I’m not ignorant enough to put all those wins on him, it would be equally ignorant to dismiss that W/L record altogether. By all accounts, Vince has dramatically improved. The expectation that he should have been better before now shows a disregard for the developmental history of the quarterback position and the time it usually takes a quarterback to mature.
Here are the facts from last year:
Vince ranked 14th in the league in DVOA, better than David Garrard, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, Donovan McNabb, and others. Vince was 12th in the league in Y/A, 21st in TD%, 15th in INT%, and 3rd in sack %.
Those numbers aren’t gaudy. They aren’t going to get him an MVP award. But, when you factor in his running threat and how that helps Chris Johnson in the run game, it makes him a better than average quarterback for this team.
Vince is working hard this offseason, and by all accounts has stepped up into a role that he wasn’t ready for two years ago. He’s progressing, and I suspect that you’re going to see Vince improve even more over the next two seasons. Just one man’s opinion.
+1
To everything about Vince. Exactly
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Notice there was no mention of having the NFL's leading RB behind him last season either.
Having a superstar at RB like that has a huge impact.
Molōn labe!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
Yeah he did
while I’m not ignorant enough to put all those wins on him, it would be equally ignorant to dismiss that W/L record altogether
Vince didn’t win those games by himself, but like SH says, its ignorant to say he didn’t have anything to do with the wins just because he has a supporting cast.
But, when you factor in his running threat and how that helps Chris Johnson in the run game, it makes him a better than average quarterback for this team.
He acknowledges CJ2K being a major factor, yet Vince complements him as well. You have to worry about naked boots and PA with Vince’s running ability and big arm.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Didn't you see the secondary listed as a weakness?
Jeff Fisher has been to the Super Bowl and has shown as the longest tenured coach that he can work and succeed with all types of players.
I don’t care about anything you said about VY. Until he shows he’s this “amazing QB” all of a sudden when he’s been average his whole career I am going to think he’s average, and that’s on a good day.
He’s horrible most of the time. Without Chris Johnson, VY fails.
If VY is your QB for the entire season and plays like he has in the past, I can’t see you making it to the playoffs, and that is the most optimistic I can be about the Titans.
You titan fans are counting on this guy to suddenly be something he’s not this season… He’s never shown he’s a prolific passer, he’s never even shown he’s an average passer… Why does everyone suddenly think he’s going to be a different player.
Molōn labe!
The End Is Nigh... www.infowars.com
Re:
I don’t care about anything you said about VY. Until he shows he’s this "amazing QB" all of a sudden when he’s been average his whole career I am going to think he’s average, and that’s on a good day.
He’s horrible most of the time. Without Chris Johnson, VY fails.
In 10 games as a starter, he posted a QB rating above 90 in 6 of them. At the very least, that’s above average.
And, did you read my entire post? Where did i call him an “amazing QB”? All I’m saying is that the statement that he’s our “most glaring weakness” is patently false, when you consider that, as you pointed out, we were 31st in pass defense. Conversely, Vince was 14th in DVOA.
While I would disagree with you, I wouldn’t be over here arguing if you had merely said “Vince is an average quarterback, but the glaring weakness in the is team is a total lack of pass defense.” That would be at least somewhat based in fact. Instead, your “analysis” is completely devoid of any statistics, or anything that borders on reasonable analysis.
you didn't call him amazing... How is it unreasonable analysis if I say in my article the same thing you say, that sounds like good analysis. The article says the secondary is weak.
I lumped you together with lots of other titan fans who do think he’s the second coming all of a sudden. My apologies.
BTW… Did you even read the article. I note that they were 31st in pass defense and 28th in overall defense… Those sound like stats to me.
I agree, your pass defense sucks…
I disagree on VY… I don’t think he’ll take the next step. We’ll leave it there.
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You're missing my point.
Sun Tzu would say we have to attack Vince, and attack him decisively, as he’s clearly the most glaring weakness of the enemy’s army.
As I noted above, this statement is patently false. What I’m looking for out of you is an admission that, Vince is not the “most glaring weakness”.
If you disagree, please help me understand your stance by providing some stats that show that Vince is one of the two worst quarterbacks in the league as he’d have to be 31st or worse to be at least as bad as our pass defense.
If you agree, please edit your post to reflect your new, informed position.
No way... In my opinion, he's clearly the main issue.
He’s a liability at the most important position on the field, the QB.
I’m sorry, but until he shows he can read coverages and improve his mechanics, I won’t budge.
The eyes don’t lie, and VY has terrible mechanics and isn’t an effective passer. He’s the biggest weakness because he’s in the most important position and he’s well below average.
He was improved last season, but only slighly. How many years does he get? He’s just now finally ready to focus on the intricacies of the game?!? Excuse me, but I’ll pass on a guy who quit on his team as my de facto leader.
Remember, ALL us Jags fans got to see him quit and go crybaby on his team on the sideline prior to his mental breakdown. I am not convinced he’s any different than that scared little kid who was afraid to come back in against the Jaguars and got benched in favor of an aging QB. He was the number 3 overall pick!
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Main issue is his horrible mechanics and decision making, though.
The other stuff is secondary to that…
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One of you're main issues is "mechanics"?
Why? A quarterback can throw the ball through his legs for all I care. As long as he’s doing his job, what’s the difference? Phillip Rivers has a horrible delivery. Does that concern you too?
Mechanics can screw you
You have to be beast to overcome the flaw.
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Rivers has
weird mechanics, but I think his delivery actually helps him get rid of the ball quickly and in a short compact motion. Yeah he pushes it. But who cares?
VY on the other hand has a low delivery that can get knocked down more easily. I think the biggest problem that comes from his delivery is his poor “accuracy”. I’ve seen him throw a nice deep and accurate ball, but I’m talking about consistency that you don’t often get with a sidearm throw. Having said that, I can usually care less of what it looks like, as long as he can get it done. But I just don’t like his product on the field, when throwing.
Reading coverages?
What about that bothers you? Where was he ineffective last year? Did you think he did a poor job of recognizing man vs. zone coverages? Did he not call out enough blitzes for you?
Seriously. What of his coverage reading skills bothered you the most? I’ll give you the benifit of the doubt that you know what you’re talking about, but this reeks of something regurgitated from ESPN. Please provide examples of his misreads.
I can't cite play x of game y examples.
That’s unrealistic without seeing the playbook. I can say I’ve seen him make poor throws because of poor mechanics… hence the INT to TD ratio over his career.
I can say I’ve seen him throw the ball where there is no receiver, now maybe the WR made the mistake on those plays, but I"ve seen VY throw to AIR plenty of times.
I can say I’ve seen him give up on his team as a leader and refuse to go back into a game (it was against us)
I can say he’s benefited immensely having the best RB in the league behind him.
He’s not elite, and he’s barely average on a good day. I expect him to be the weak-spot on your roster this season as he attempts to take the reins yet again.
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Re:
I can’t cite play x of game y examples. That’s unrealistic without seeing the playbook.
Then maybe you shouldn’t make unsubstantiated claims like “I’m sorry, but until he shows he can read coverages and improve his mechanics, I won’t budge” when the reality is that you don’t know if he’s making misreads in the first place.
I can say I’ve seen him give up on his team as a leader and refuse to go back into a game (it was against us)That was two years ago. Do you not believe in redemption?
I can say he’s benefited immensely having the best RB in the league behind him.What quarterback wouldn’t? The flipside of that is that he has one of the worst receiving corps in the league too. Yeah, CJ helps open up the passing game, but what’s the difference if your receivers aren’t good enough to beat the man coverage?
He’s not elite, and he’s barely average on a good day. I expect him to be the weak-spot on your roster this season as he attempts to take the reins yet again.
He posted a QB rating of over 100 on three occasions last season (4 times if you round up his 99.7 rating against the Cardinals). Those are his “good days”. Do you consider a QB rating over 100 “barely average”?
That was two years ago. Do you not believe in redemption?
Lol
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Let me assure you that as careers go, that one is very interesting. No boring days.
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by TexansForever on May 17, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It Vince Young's team now!
People can hate on him all they want but you can’t change the fact that it’s his team now! I’m just glad that the coaching staff finally got some since and realized that he IS our franchise QB! All you Jags fans should be worrying about Garrads!
by datboybevans on May 16, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Id be worried about calling our quarterback Garrads
Worst of luck, amigo
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Nothing wrong with VY!
I’m tired of these wanna be sports writers trying to down Vince Young! If you thinks he’s not a good QB then it’s obvious you know nothing about football.
I love VY, I really do
But I know that he’s still got a lot of work to do. IMO I think he’s well on his way to being a good, solid starter in this league, but he’s got to prove himself once again, especially for fans of other teams to take notice. And when you toss in “it’s obvious you know nothing about football” you sound like BBS and thats a scary thought!
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the Jaguars blog, kay
You may see the over-whelmingly negative view of VY is from the blogs persona and its opposition to the Titans franchise.
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Its funny because I see much worse articles written when the Jags are mentioned on MCM...
And yet, we get in people hating on us when a reasonable article is written stating the weaknesses of the Titians as viewed by someone here. Oy.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 17, 2010 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions
You have to understand that VY = JESUS in Nashville.
To suggest that VY is not, in fact, The Christ, is something akin to to stealing all the sofa’s off the front lawns in Nashville. In other words, a crime of horrific (and epic) proportions.
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by TexansForever on May 17, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You're basing your opinion of Titan fans on one MCMer.
Titans fans are cautiously optimistic of Vince’s future. Also apart from calling the Jaguars the Bedazzlers, the Jaguar-hate is relatively tame.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 17, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I like you Winnipeg. You seem genuine.
However, based on your registration date of Feb 2010, I would have to say that if you had been around for the VY is the Second Coming of Jesus Carnival that was the last 10 games of the season, you might hold a different opinion.
Going forward, I certainly look forward to rational Titan’s fans such as yourself being in the conversation.
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by TexansForever on May 17, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
Coming from a Texan fan that’s a pretty high compliment! I followed MCM for about a year before I started posting, so I’ve tried to be around for most of the VY love.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 17, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing was ever wrong with Vince!
The problem was that he didn’t have the right QB coach! It you don’t have a coach that know how to use your talent then your useless as a player! Finally we have a QB coach that knows how to work with a scrambling QB and knows how to design plays that will get the most production out of Young! Anyone that actually knew anything about football would understand that!
I curious to see where Titan's fans would rank VY among all quarterbacks
What are his strengths and weaknesses?
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
David Garrard
Your Jags QB that only threw 15 tds and 10 ints last season when VY played only half a season and had 10 tds and 7 int clearly shows that he would have bested Garrard easily. Oh yea didn’t VY start over Garrard in the Pro Bowl and he only played half a season?
by datboybevans on May 16, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you hurt my feelings
You mean to tell me that Young beat out Garrard in a game that neither of them would have played if half the league called in sick
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Ha
Sorry bro, but thats an idiotic claim. No way any one could know who would have ended up with the better stats had VY played a whole season. Going the way you said it, VY would have had more TDs, but more interceptions than David G as well.
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lol, what a n00b
Garrad haha, BANNED!
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by TheTealDeal on May 16, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And
The Pro Bowl is a joke. I’m glad Garrard and MJD got to play in it, but it means nothing on how good a player is.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
You are using the Pro Bowl
depth chart to claim Young is a better QB? The same pro bowl VY threw for 47 yards and a pick, whereas Garrard threw for 183 Yards and a touch?
Playoffs
Matter more than regular season. Come on man, can’t argue that one.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Of course they do.
What I’m saying is that fans here (and elsewhere), like to speak out of two sides of their mouth. One one hand, Vince can’t take credit for his 26-13 record because it’s a team sport. On the other, quarterbacks should be judged based on playoff wins. There’s a disconnect there…
I agree
With you there. I misunderstood you, my b.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
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Seriously?
Nobody cares how many regular season wins Tom Brady has. All they care about is how many rings he has.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Fine, then. Since we agree that a QB is implemental in a team's success, then we'll agree on this:
1. Vince deserves credit for his 26-13 record.
2. Vince’s Qb “ranking” must be discounted until he wins a playoff game.
That’s fair, right?
Well, he's 0-1.
He’ll definitely have more chances.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on May 16, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
More than likely
He’s still young, and with more weapons, who knows?
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
no, but you have to contribute
If you can win with the people around you then you should go far in the playoffs. Its how much he contributes, and whether it helps or hinders the team.
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Depends I guess on what you want in a QB
If I was building a team right now, I would consider him along with a few other young QBs to build around. If I wanted someone RIGHT NOW, it wouldn’t be him.
What I love about Vince is that he wins. And you can put some of the wins on the team and some on CJ, but what it comes down to is Vince wins more games than he loses. I love that he’s a mobile QB, and that he has all the physical tools to succeed. This offseason he’s also become a huge leader for this team, and so thats another quality I’ll mention.
His weaknesses, IMO, are his fundamentals and some of the mental aspects of the game. I think its important to note he’s improved both the past few years. They are still his weaknesses, but last year he definitely didn’t make as many ‘bonehead’ plays that have you shaking your head.
To your question on rank, I’d say most definitely in the top half of the league’s QBs. Again, in my opinion.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like we just had a similar discussion
about another QB who “just wins”, and who had poor fundamentals.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
In Vince's brief career
His style has produced a fair bit of regular season success and he’s shown signs of getting even better. He might never put up monstrous passing stats, but I really think he’s a guy who can lead the Titans to the promised land.
Also his fundamentals are still better than Tebow’s. I mean, they’re not great, but they don’t seem as extreme as Tebow’s were/are.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I won't argue that
We’ll see if he can do it this year, now that he’s starting again.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
In general, he's just outside of the top 10.
For our team, I think he’s in the top 10. That distinction has to do with his running ability, which makes Chris Johnson a better running back.
I’d take the following guys over Vince, in no particular order:
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Philip Rivers
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger (Hypothetically. In reality, I wouldn’t want him leading the franchise based on his off field behavior.)
Carson Palmer
Matt Ryan
You make a really good point that he does fit well for this team
And I agree too that there is no way on earth that I’d want Roethlisberger on the Titans.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
Put any of those QBs on a team with outs offensive weapons and see how well they do! People keep forgetting that VY had no help at all when he came to the Titans! I would take Vince over all then QBs simply because he can play without big name WRs that means this year he will do that much better because he’s finally got reliable guys to throw too!
by datboybevans on May 16, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Johnson
He was nothing without Chris Johnson
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Ummm ok
you would pass on Matt Schaub, Tony Romo, Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb to pick VY??? Not to mention Joe Flacco, Chad Henne, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez. I must disagree with you, VY is not “just outside the top 10”
by ScottyD4Life on May 16, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez?
HAHAHHAHAHAAH
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by Aditya T (smashville) on May 16, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Sanchez, as long as he doesn't scramble with the ball lol
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well deserved
I was debating whether or not id get laughed at for putting him in or out. apparently i picked the wrong one. either way, VY is not top 15.
by ScottyD4Life on May 16, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As of right now
Sanchez is on the upswing, but I don’t like basing my opinion on 1 year. If he can prove that he can help the Jets win games and play well then he’ll probably be a top 15 QB
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David Carr says...
Andre Johnson, Superman that he is, doesn’t make you a good QB.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Would you take David Carr or Garrard?
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 17, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
ROFL....
I would take JAMARCUS RUSSEL over Carr. At least that way the beatinngs would be entertaining.
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by TexansForever on May 17, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Mr Potato Head over VY
Vae Victis!
by viator on May 16, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Football or P.E. class team?
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David G.
Is my boy. I’d take him over McNabb and Carson Palmer. Hell, I’d take him over Phillip Rivers.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
ehh Carson had that nasty injury a couple years ago
and mcnabbs old….but i tihnk i rather havbe carson over garrard over Mcnabb
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Carson
Can’t win. McNabb isn’t better than Garrard. Really they are similar in more than a few ways. McNabb has always had a better team.
The Philip Rivers was a little far. But David G is my boy.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
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Interestingly enough, hasn't Garrard been the "best" running QB the last couple of years?
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 17, 2010 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saying
my list would be much longer.
Tony Romo
Donovan McNabb
Matt Shaub
David Garrard
Jay Cutler
Eli Manning
Joe Flacco
Alex Smith(Hell prove a lot of people wrong this year)
Mark Sanchez(For what he will be)
Jason Campbell
Matt Cassell
Kyle Orton
Josh Freeman
Matt Stafford
Chad Henne
Sam Bradford
You take any one of those QB’s, and put him in VY’s situation and he would be a better QB. IMO
The problem was that he didn’t have the right QB coach!
Well that and bouts of tear laden, raving depression.
But ya, other than, he’s solid.
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by TexansForever on May 16, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if this was in reply to my comment or just a general comment but...
Anyone that actually knew anything about football would understand that!
Come on man.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This is juvenile.
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by WinnipegTitanFan13 on May 16, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
QB coach? Seriously?
Did someone just tell me a QB that was a top pick hadn’t played well because of a bad QB coach?
I’m sorry – I’ll accept you disagreeing with my opinion (that he simply is not a great QB), but when you present an argument citing the QB coach as the prime reason he sucked, you are a fool.
Say he just needed time t get use to the NFL game. Say that he just needed CJ to get settled down. Say that his WRs and he needed some more time to work together (years, apparently). But never, never tell me a QB sucked because of a bad QB coach, in the NFL – especially a QB drafted #3 overall.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 17, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't realize how many replies there ended up being to that post. Ha. You have to scroll up to see what I replied to. :P
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 17, 2010 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on man! Didn't you know?!?
It was his QB coaches fault that VY had a mental breakdown and spent a year of NFL career sucking his thumb on prozac.
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by TexansForever on May 17, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
I never considered Norm Chow a bad QB coach.
by Ewdtrey on May 17, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
More I read this the more I realize that...
This guy was talking out his back side! LMAO
VY cries when he is sacked
Crying rocks! I wish DG would cry more…he gets sacked so much. What’s wrong with that guy, is he tough or something? I don’t get it.
Vae Victis!
Tebow is a sissy too
You don’t cry when you lose, and you don’t cry when they boo. I’m pretty sure that’s one of the written rules of football.
To each, their own. I just prefer to leave the crying to the women folk.
Vae Victis!
So long as they consist of straight diesel
If your tears set things on fire, then you get a pass.
Vae Victis!
All is possible with Jesus
They know each other on a first name basis
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Must have had a miscommunication during the SEC championship
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
There was a Blues Clues marathon
It was put off till later
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I think think we can make a compromise
Tebow will die, Week 1
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That hurt deeply
I would never want anything bad to happen to the Chosen One.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Make up and move on
The omnipotent one demands it
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It guess us something else to
make fun of
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by TheTealDeal on May 16, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Who else are we gonna make fun of?
The Titans? It isn’t as entertaining
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LOL
Yes it has.
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by Dale Jovan Rodriguez on May 17, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
VY improving?
Ya know there are some very good points in this thread. I personally see alot the Titans (or Tities) have going for them moving forward. I am not real big on VY. I have to question why so many feel its imprtant to say he has improved. In the 08’ season, he lost his job to a washed up journeyman, refused to an re-enter a game, and cried on the sidelines. He then needs his family and team to get local law enforement out to run him down as they fear he may hurt himself. OK. He did better than that in 09’. Congrats. Is that really worth noting? Here is one other little nugget. Please remind me of the list of other great, or even very good QB’s, or anyother leadership position in any other sport, who found the strength to rise to the top AFTER such antics? Dude is fruit loops and always will be. Just like the Jags the Tities will be scouting the great QB class coming out.
I really do believe
Vince Young has gotten better, but I still think he’s a game manager at best. He doesn’t have the accuracy or the mental aptitude to carry a team on his back.
I think the most underrated part of the Titan’s team is the OL. They win because of their OL. Garrard could have pro bowl numbers behind that OL. And I can’t stand the fact that the largest part of an offense is left out of arguments so often.
Well, I like this write-up but it's a bit incomplete.
Attacking weaknesses is a thing that you would logically consider in all three phases. This also addresses Superhorn’s point that the place to attack the Titans is in their Secondary. Yes. If you’re on Offense.
So:
1. I tend to agree that you want to contain Chris Johnson and “attack” VY. Although he was much better last year, Vince still has a history of collapsing against the blitz, and if I was a coach, that’s where I would start in trying to create turnovers.
2. On Defense, I agree that you want to attack the Secondary, especially the side away from Cortland Finnegan. A balanced screen game that forces that side’s CB to both watch MJD and the run while also watching for the deep out—that’d likely take one of those lesser CBs to the cleaners.
3. In Special Teams… until the Titans show that they have a return guy, I think you attack that. Kick away and run to the ball (as oppsed to kicking short and covering). You have a good shot of pinning them deep every time.
My $.02.
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If there is a more telling stat about VY from last year lets take a look at this:
1st Quarter: 62.5% completion
2nd Quarter: 69.4% completion
3rd Quarter: 50.0% completion
4th Quarter: 49.3% completion
If we are looking at his QB rating then lets look at how they really look when broken down. I would say a legit QB rating should start when a QB has a minimum of 20 attempts, please correct me if my opinion here seems out of line. In the VY starts with 20+ attempts I will list the QB ratings in a week by week order:
90.4
84.7
99.7
77.8
103.3
11.9
63.2
this gives us a rating of 75.86- this would lead me to my final opinion that VY is average at best. If youy look at the 82.8 overall rating that would statistically put him at # 18 for the year of 2009. Just to throw it in there, DG’s passer rating was above VY’s last year.
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- Alex Smith joins the burgeoning ‘stats are for losers’ movement
- Roger Goodell wants Wi-Fi in every stadium
