Jaguars MythBusting: Alualu and Smith as 3-4 Ends
In this new series, Jaguars MythBusting, I will be taking common beliefs about the Jaguars and putting them to the test. After looking at the stats, then maybe we'll be able to come to a verdict as to whether or not the beliefs hold true.
In the post-draft mayhem that came with the Jaguars unexpectedly taking Tyson Alualu with the 10th overall pick, many labeled the pick as a reach. The chief reasons being that Alualu could've been had later in the draft and that he projected better into a 3-4 defense. Here are just a couple of comments from scouting reports about Alualu that came out in the weeks prior to the draft:
"Rare 3-4 DE who can make the transition to the position in the pros." - CDSDraft
"His best fit may come as defensive end in a 3-4 scheme where he has the technician type approach and is also very difficult for one blocker to keep at bay." - MockingTheDraft
So what exactly is the size of an ideal 3-4 DE and how does that compare to a 3 technique DT in a 4-3?
My strategy for finding that size was to take the starting 3-4 DEs in the NFL and use their sizes as reference points for comparison. According to ProFootballFocus there's 17 players that saw 50 percent of the team's snaps on defense at the 3-4 DE position. However, among these 17 players are some that simply don't fit well into a 3-4 defense and are forced into it via circumstance, for example, Glenn Dorsey of the Kansas City Chiefs. So a better medium to judge the position is to take those who have been successful so as to weed out those who don't belong. Any player that had a negative overall score according to ProFootballFocus's ratings was dropped from the list leaving us with eight players:
| 3-4 DEs | |||||
| Player |
Height | Weight | |||
| Justin Smith | 6'4 | 285 | |||
| Randy Starks | 6'3 | 305 | |||
| Vonnie Holliday | 6'5 | 285 | |||
| Calais Campbell | 6'8 | 290 | |||
| Robaire Smith | 6'4 | 310 | |||
| Kendall Langford | 6'6 | 295 | |||
| Cullen Jenkins | 6'2 | 305 | |||
| Igor Olshansky | 6'6 | 315 | |||
| AVERAGE | 6'5 | 299 | |||
These players appear to be of a taller build while still maintaining bulk. Of the eight players, only two stand under 6'4: the 6'3 Randy Starks and the 6'2 Cullen Jenkins. For comparison's sake we'll take a look at the top run stopping and pass rushing DTs in 4-3 defenses as determined by ProFootballFocus's grading:
| 4-3 DT Run Stoppers | |||||
| Player |
Height | Weight | |||
| Pat Williams | 6'3 | 317 | |||
| Brodrick Bunkley | 6'2 | 306 | |||
| Colin Cole | 6'1 | 330 | |||
| Terrance Knighton | 6'3 | 321 | |||
| Albert Haynesworth | 6'6 | 350 | |||
| Kevin Williams | 6'5 | 311 | |||
| Brandon Mebane | 6'1 | 301 | |||
| Clifton Ryan | 6'3 | 324 | |||
| Kyle Williams | 6'1 | 306 | |||
| Anthony Adams | 6'0 | 310 | |||
| Grady Jackson | 6'2 | 345 | |||
| Mike Patterson | 6'1 | 300 | |||
| AVERAGE | 6'2 | 318 | |||
| 4-3 DT Pass Rushers | |||||
| Player |
Height | Weight | |||
| Tony Brown | 6'3 | 290 | |||
| Kevin Williams | 6'5 | 311 | |||
| Albert Haynesworth | 6'6 | 350 | |||
| Jonathan Babineaux | 6'2 | 296 | |||
| Eric Foster | 6'2 | 265 | |||
| Fred Robbins | 6'4 | 317 | |||
| Tommy Kelly | 6'6 | 300 | |||
| Damione Lewis | 6'2 | 301 | |||
| Kyle Williams | 6'1 | 306 | |||
| Marcus Stroud | 6'6 | 310 | |||
| Gerard Warren | 6'4 | 325 | |||
| AVERAGE | 6'4 | 306 | |||
So now the task is to figure out where the 6'2, 295 pound Tyson Alualu and the 6'2, 304 pound D'Anthony Smith fit in. Both are shorter than what would be desired from the ideal 3-4 defensive end; however, Alualu is also lighter than the average 4-3 DT.
Final Verdict:
In the event that the Jaguars switched to a 3-4, could Alualu and Smith make the transition to defensive end? The charts tell us that yes, they probably could. However, the argument that they would fit better in that system is questionable at best.
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Very; very interesting
I still think Both Tyson; and D’Anthony can be the future 3-4 DEs of this team; because I think wqe might switch to rthat in the near future.
By the way what do you categorize Tyson and D’Anthony? I know Gene bring here as a 4-3 DT Pass Rushers; but both have the height of a 6’2 = ideal run stopper DTs
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by Zoltan from Budapest on May 17, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
Very; very interesting
I still think Both Tyson; and D’Anthony can be the future 3-4 DEs of this team; because I think wqe might switch to rthat in the near future.
By the way what do you categorize Tyson and D’Anthony? I know Gene bring here as a 4-3 DT Pass Rushers; but both have the height of a 6’2 = ideal run stopper DTs
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by Zoltan from Budapest on May 17, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
I disagree with that
3-4 ends have to occupy blockers, and Alualu is not that type of player. The Jags drafted him to be a disruptor, and to improve the pass rush. You don’t spend a high draft pick along with the millions of dollars you have to pay him just to do that.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If I were to categorize
I’d definitely, definitely categorize them both as 4-3 pass rushers. Don’t ignore the weights.
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by Adam Stites on May 17, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
They’re second goal will be that of stopping the run. Knighton absolutely can’t get injured this season, and he needs to be in top shape.
Maybe they’ll rotate Pot Roast out on obvious passing downs and go with D’A Smith and Alualu?
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Would you agree the Knighton is the key cog, though?
IMO, if Knighton is injured, there goes our chances of being a top-ten defense… or even in the top half of the league.
If you can’t stop the run, then you’re toast.
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Add Mathis to the list as well
Which makes the current situation even worse…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on May 18, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
We got
By without Mathis last year. He is without a doubt the best DB on this team, but a corner isn’t a critical injury, unless its someone like Darrelle Revis.
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We did?
I must have been asleep when they were dominating teams with their overwhelming defense.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
I see
But it isn’t like it could have gotten any worse anyway.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Yeah
I mentioned this as well in my Defense weakpoints article: The Jags had no player like Knighton in the roster. Maybe cuttin BOTH Henderson and Stanley was a big mistake…
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by Zoltan from Budapest on May 18, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we would be lucky
to be a top 10 D regardless if he’s healthy. But I don’t think we would be that much of a bind as many may think. Ellison isn’t great, but I think if he was pressed into a run stopping role, instead of a pass rushing role where I don’t think he fit, he could be a decent run stuffer. Not to mention run stoppers are not impossible to find on the street. I think Alualu is plenty good on his end of the run stopping duties. Another thing to note, in our division, the quick penetrating DT’s are much more important than the run stuffers.
34 scheme
Why are you even making the assumption that the Jags are going to go with a 34? Everyone has said from the Owner, GM, HC, etc. that the team needs to stick with the 4/3 defense. Are they all not telling the truth?
The Jags just spent 11 million guaranteed money on Kampman. He came from having to play a 34 defense for one year, and hated it. Why in the world would the Jags switch to a 34?
The Jags looked at the speed of the defenses in the playoffs, and determined they were too slow. The went out and got quick penetrating DT’s and others too improve the speed of the defense.
It’s a passing league so you need to get to the QB, which the Jags did not do by any means. Hence the major focus on speed.
I never made that assumption
I actually think the assumption is false. Hence the mythbusting.
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Maybe you should include my points to bust that myth even further lol.
I am just making points to further the notion that the Jags are a 43 team. Was not directing it at anyone in particular.
Well I agree with you
And I’m glad you elaborated on that point. The common thought was that Alualu and Smith are natural 3-4 ends so we must be on our way to a transition. The point of the article was to show that they’re not natural 3-4 ends and are closer to 4-3 DTs.
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I think the biggest tale
to be excited about is that of the Dallas big board. They had Alualu rated at 22, despite the fact they run a 34. And I think Alualu is a much better prospect in a 43. That says something to me.
Alualu could easily survive in a 34, because he has reasonably long arms for his height, and because he’s got great hands that allow him to get off blocks. DA Smith would not be able to handle being a 34 end because he doesn’t have the anchor or the hands.
We are not going to be a 34 team
but that doesn’t mean we won’t see times with only 3 down lineman.
Bit off topic
But how nasty does the helmet Alualu is holding in the pic look? The teal through the black is the dope
Rec'd as well.
Nice read and it really goes to show you how off base some of those draft sites can be with their assessments.
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1 Gap v 2 Gap
You’re missing a big distinction here, between two different types of 3-4 schemes. The more popular 3-4, like the one run by PIT and NE of late, has the three DL two-gapping, where they are more run defense-oriented and concentrate less on rushing the passer. These guys tend to be on the larger side. A Wade Phillips 3-4, like the one SD ran when he was their DC a few years ago and DAL has been moving toward, is a one-gap scheme that places less emphasis on size and more on quickness.
Alualu IMO doesn’t fit as a 3-4 2-gap DE but does as a 3-4 1-gap DE. My pre-draft thought was he’d be a great fit for DAL, or SD if they wanted to play more 1-gap (I’m pretty sure that was part of their eventual adjustment to losing Jamal Williams last year). I was less firm in my pre-draft opinion of D’Anthony Smith, but he seems to be in the same mold. The problem with switching to a 3-4 1-gap, though, is Knighton is a 2-tap NT, not a 1-gap NT (think Jay Ratliff). They’d have to get a little creative and play hybrid 3-4. Or, they could just stick to a 4-3 and play Knighton at NT and Alualu/Smith at UT.

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