Rashean Mathis: How to become the 'Bad Guy'
I knew as soon as I reported the story that Rashean Mathiswas likely going to skip some practices to voice his displeasure with his contract, he would instantly become the 'bad guy'. The vitriol towards him has already started (not necessarily here, in general) to where fans are lighting him up on a personal level and even saying he should be released. It's always funny how instantly in a contract situation, the player becomes the bad guy in most people's eyes.
Fans need to calm down and stop taking this so personal. It's just business.
Rashean Mathis skipped the first round of OTA's yesterday and will likely miss a few more. He's voicing his displeasure in wanting a new contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, in-line with what he feels is market value. Fans need to realize Mathis' positioning. He signed his contract extension when he still had 2-years left on his deal. He played 'good soldier' last time around and he got screwed. A season later, his peers from his same draft class signed deals for literally twice as much money as he did.Yes, shame on Mathis for jumping on a deal early, but that's how the Jaguars operate. It's very savvy but it can lead to situations like this. They'll throw what looks like "a lot" of money to a player in hopes to lock them up early, before the market sets the price. Pay attention to Maurice Jones-Drew in a season or two, after Chris Johnson, DeAngelo Williams, and Adrian Peterson sign new contracts. The deal Jones-Drew signed will look like peanuts, similar to this current situation.
This isn't a personal insult at the fans. It's not being a "typical greedy athlete". People can whine about how a player "agreed" to a contract and he should honor, but no one makes a peep about teams rarely honoring contracts. This situation has nothing to do with greed at all, so don't go there. He's trying to get fair market value for his position in a line of work that has extremely limited earning potential where he's been underpaid for years. The average NFL career is 3.5 years, which is not even enough time to qualify as a vested veteran and earn benefits. It's all part of the business. Fans should realize Rashean Mathis is actually going about this dispute the right way.
He's not voicing his displeasure on twitter, or local radio, or to the newspaper. He called his coach ahead of time and informed him he would be absent due to contractual reasons. He's skipping voluntary work outs to get his message across to the team that he wants a new deal. It has nothing to do with his "dedication" to the team or being "all-in". He's not creating a distraction. Some will say "well show up to practice and prove it"! He will, eventually. You have to understand if he says he wants a new deal, then rolls an ankle the first day of practice... what's he to do?
OTA's are the perfect time to stage a contractual protest, if you will, as it's the least likely time to cause the most trouble. I actually expect Mathis to eventually show up to OTA's. He's simply making it known he wants a new contract.
Does Mathis deserve a new contract? That's debatable. He's been playing at a $4 million a year clip for a while, and that's been a bargain. Sure, he's had his injuries and he's been burned now and again, but that's all part of being a cover corner in the NFL. Outside of Nnamdi Asomugah and Darrell Revis, even the best corners will experience that. Mathis has played at a high level for the Jaguars for quite a while, so his skipping of OTA's for contract purposes isn't unjust.
I don't expect most fans to feel sympathy for Mathis, but I think the venom thrown his direction is unjustified. Like I said before, Mathis has been the good soldier for the Jacksonville Jaguars since he was drafted. He's not doing anything wrong. We don't even know what kind of contract he's looking to get.
Food for thought:
The Jaguars signed Drayton Florence in the 2008 off-season to a 6-year, $36 million with $13 million in guarantees. They also signed Brian Williams in the 2006 off-season to a 6-year, $32 million with a $10 million signing bonus. In 2005 the Jaguars extended Rashean Mathis for 5-years, $25.5 million with $9.4 million guaranteed.
Never once did we hear a peep from Rashean Mathis about being paid less than two corners not as good as him.
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"Fans need to clam down"
Not sure if that was intentional, but it works for me.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Not to repeat myself from an earlier post, but here is the damage that can be caused by greed....
When we as humans start to make decisions or take actions based on the situation someone else is in, it can lead to misery. If Rashean were to look at his life and truly evaluate his position, he would see that he has made, and continues to have the ability to make, more money than just about everyone on this site will ever see. That goes for the rest of the population of the United States as well, and he should be grateful and thankful for that opportunity. He, however, has made a decision based on the contracts of other gifted people.
I am not trying to sound like Dr. Phil, but f’n get real Rashean. You have been blessed with a gift. Use that gift, along with the rest of your team, and go get something that money can’t buy……a division title or maybe even a Super Bowl ring. I promise the difference between $15 or $25 million in your savings account won’t matter then.
I see your point, but
I am glad that people continue to explore their potential. Doing everything you can with your talents is a great thing! Settling for good enough is a waste of your talent! Imagine if MLK had said he was happy with where he had made progress and retired? Would he ever be satisfied accepting good enough? How about if Henry Ford just stayed as a boutique car maker and never revolutionized production with the assembly line? He would have been rich anyway, why not just settle? Why did we break away from the British? Our taxes weren’t that bad? People shouldn’t be satisfied with good enough!
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by DownTownJax on May 18, 2010 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I could not agree more.....
and if Mr. Mathis keeps improving his skills and stays healthy, when he is up to negotiate his contact, he will be eligible for a deserved increase in pay. No one should ever settle. We should all try to be better, and if we do improve ourselves, we are often afforded a greater reward.
As Mr. Ford improved his manufacturing and production capabilities, he created a greater market place for himself, and through his hard work, he made a fortune. I am glad that MLK pushed hard for equal rights, though I do not know that his compensation increased the more lives he improved through his work. No doubt, both men accomplished great things. I want Rashean to have all that he deserves for all his hard work too, based on whatever agreement he is working under.
Waiting for the contract to end?
That is like saying he can only look at other teams outside the division for free agency! He should push for himself because the ownership won’t do it for him. Make what you can, where you can, when you can.
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by DownTownJax on May 18, 2010 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
However
unlike most of us, he works in a hazardous environment, where he is a split second away from losing everything to an injury. He isn’t any different than anybody else in the league trying to make money. IT IS A BUSINESS. Just ask John Henderson.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Alex, I agree his career can end in a second....
But for your argument to work for me, I would have to assume that you make the same money per year that he does. In that case, since I assume that you do not face injury that could end your ability to do your job at any time, he would be due much more than you.
The point I am trying to make is that he makes big money because he is talented and in a short lived career. Yes he does not make as much as others i his position, but if he wanted more, he should have pushed for a bigger contract. It is not the Jags fault, but actually the Jags responsibility to get players as cheap as possible. Lets face it, no matter what your “normal” job is, I will guarantee that there are those that make more than you to do the same job, and those that make less.
I am not trying to jump your case Alex, but the danger “bonus” pay is built into the equation from the start.
Understanding a Contract
Just wondering if you understand the meaning of a contract? In general terms it is a binding set of terms based on money and length of time that is AGREED upon by both parties.
Should the Jags every year void contracts if another foolish team overpays a player?
I find it funny that you think he signed for “peanuts”. He signed for his market value at the time, and it was damn good money.
If the Jags sign him to another contract today for fair market value, in another year his contract will be dwarfed again.
Rather ridiculous to state that he is playing for “peanuts”, when he is making quite a bit of money.
In the end the Jags will give him a contract based on his performance after this year or they will look to trade him.
NFL contracts are not like the contracts we sign.
Teams have the ability to end a contract at their whim. Players, not at all.
Once again the fans think that the players owe their undying loyalty to their team, which seems to include being happy with their contract. Meanwhile the team is lauded for being cut throat and making the tough decisions for the “good of the team”.
Love the hypocrisy.
by NorthLeft12 on May 18, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And one other thing Alfie......
You make the comment “He’s not creating a distraction”. We can discuss the definition of distraction, and probably never agree, but I can promise that what he is doing is less beneficial to the team than a report of “Mathis, Carey and Cox Pushing Each Other for Starting Spots”!
@ GAJAGFAN
He is a distraction and nothing more. What benefit comes from this other than being a distraction, and ultimately hurting himself. He has no leverage and is under contract for not one but two more years.
Best thing for Mathis is to show up and play like he deserves to be paid like a top ten CB.
He should give the new fair market performance...
…before he asks for the new fair market value. I understand what he’s done in the past but Nnamdi and Darell are setting the new standard performance wise. Those guys are unrivaled in both man and zone coverage. I don’t think I have to go back through the past season to show that Rashean isn’t that when asked to do more than cover 2.
Except Revis makes twice as much as Mathis
And is looking to make twice as much As he already does with a new contract. I’m sure he won’t get that but if he gets say 15 mil a year then market value indicates to me that Rashean should probably be in the 8 or 9 range right? He’s not as good as Revis I think we can all agree, but he’s probably the best corner in our division and a pro bowler. I think he’s worth a little more then we are paying him.
by jstnblke41 on May 18, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed...
… he should make more than he makes, but if Darell Revis is the pace setter and he’s gonna make 15 mil. Rashean making 8 or 9 mil might still be a problem for him. Any more than that will probably be a problem for Wayne.
Yeah, and that's why they'll be negotiating.
It’ll all work out in the end. Until then, I just wish more people understood that this is not a terrible thing to be happening.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a perfct Catch 22 situation
Yes Mathis deserved to be paid better; yes he is the best DB by far of the team.
BUT the timing is bad. If he did this last year around that time; I would have absolutely no problem with it. But he had a bad year in 2009. (Injuries which sidelined him for a long time; Bad games).
I hope he and the team will find a solution to this problem. Mathis is needed here in’10. The Jaguars cannot replace him with a player in his caliber. He is like MJD or Knighton to this team. Let’s hope there will be a solution.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on May 18, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What? Is the money for it coming out of your pocket?
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a 20
But I was feeling like a sandwhich later so it might only be 14ish.
by jstnblke41 on May 18, 2010 12:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sadly, I can only chip in 5 today.
You know – its that time of the week. Two days before the bi-weekly pay day, and I /really/ don’t want to tap into my savings account right now.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
it was a tough decision between “Conservative” and “Consistent”.
by Conservative on May 18, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
not a distraction
I think the anger is clearly fans just being upset and jealous with what professional athletes make these days. They are using this team unity and causing a distraction excuse to voice their frustration. I sympathize with someone who sees this and is struggling to pay their own bills, put you have to take yourself out of the equation.
by duuuvaaalll on May 18, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No matter how much you make or don't.....
If you make a deal, you need to live with it. I am not jealous of anything that Rashean or other players have. They have worked hard for it (much harder than most of us would ever want to), but he is not conducting himself in a very professional way at this point, and this is not beneficial to the team in any way. Last team I checked, this was a site for Jag fans, and this move does not support the team.
Dude...
This is the way it is done in the NFL. You are trying to fit the “contract etiquette” of your world into the NFL, and you just can’t do that. The etiquette in the NFL is different from outside of it, due to many factors – rising salaries, positions becoming more predominant, and so on. Whether or not you agree, he is conducting himself in the “right” way for an NFL player to bid for a new contract.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Then the NFL has a problem....
and why waste any time on contracts if they mean nothing. In fact, if the players don;t have to honor them, I guess you are saying the teams don’t have to either. I guess we will just see who comes to the games, and put guys where we can. And please tell me where you got all your NFL contract negotiating experience.
Oh, right, I'm sorry - I'm speaking with an expert here.
Dude, I watch, read and listen. I never said I was an expert at it, but if you follow the game and the contracts, you’ll find that what I have said holds true.
I never said payers and teams don’t have to hold to the contracts, because they do. This type of move by Mathis is him stating “Hey, I want a raise.” – And he wanted the fans and the team to know he was serious. He isn’t breaking his contract, and if the team refuses to give him a raise, he’ll still have to play on his current contract – but if that happens, I doubt he’d be staying here after the contract is up.
Things are done differently in the NFL because that have to be done differently.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Never said I was an expert....
and let me make it clear I am far from it. And by no means can i ever make a statement of “this is how things are done in the NFL” since i have never played in the NFL. It is much the same that I can not ever make the statement “and that’s how you do it in the cockpit of a 747” since i have never flown one. I hardly think taking a flight qualifies me!
I think if you are mad it SHOULD be with the league
In our own division Andre Johnson is holding out of OTAs and it’s rumored Chris Johnson will too. You can be mad that in some cases this does work and the team caves so players do try it to get their point across. Don’t attack the players for trying to get theirs in a way that’s worked for others though.
by jstnblke41 on May 18, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The NFL does have a problem...
that’s what the CBA issues and looming lock out are all about. Owners want to keep the greater percentages of the money, the players are the ones getting hit and producing the product – they want to get a greater percentage of the money. Everybody who watches the NFL in the salary cap/free agency period should freely see that the contracts mean nothing when either side decides it to be so. It’s been INCREDIBLY obvious for years man.
So..
if I start working at a company for minimum wage, and I go to my boss for a raise and he says thats not what you signed on for, is that ok too?
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you're working a minimum wage job
Then it’s not comparable. You’re easily replaceable and not someone that the boss would need to give a raise. He could easily fire you and get a replacement that does the same work you do. The NFL doesn’t quite work like that.
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by Adam Stites on May 19, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not replaceable
At my old job, the two people after me got fired.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Anyway
If you wait long enough in the NFL, you will be replaceable. Just ask John Henderson, Fred Taylor, Marcus Stroud, Mike Peterson, Donovan Darius, etc…..
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Mathis knows he only has one more big contract left
which is why he’s going for it now, instead of waiting to get hurt again.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
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What make you think he is so good?
I don’t understand. He seems to be getting beat all the time.
You must not have watched the length of his career.
He has been a top 5 corner for the majority of his stay here. Sure he gets beat, but so do all corners.
your kidding
With the exception of the Seattle game when exactly was he getting all the time
by duuuvaaalll on May 18, 2010 12:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha.
Does anyone else love watching those games where we don’t see Mathis almost at all? You know the ones where the ball /never/ gets thrown to the receivers he is covering. I love those games, because we almost always win them.
Watch the games again, LostJAG.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
good read...
I like the point – counterpoint debate.
You can’t blame the guy for trying to get more money. If he’s worth it – he will get it. If he’s not, then he created a helluva uncomfortable situation for both him and the team.
Doesn’t that renegoitiating contract thing go both ways?
MJD should have been kept at his second-round salary until the contract was up.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you not see the difference?
Both started as 2nd-Round picks and were paid 2nd-Round money. They both proved themselves to be extremely valuable (more than their draft slot) and got huge raises to reward them. Mathis got his big contract. MJD got his big contract. Now, Mathis, who is NOT more valuable today than he was then, wants another raise.
When you have been paid the kind of money Mathis has been making for as long as he has been making it, the “my career could end any day” argument is no longer valid. At $500k, it was valid. At $5mil, not so much.
I got an idea. I am going to start a canned food drive for Mathis in case he has a career-ending injury this year. I will stock-pile the food for him so that he won’t go hungry if can’t make another dollar in his life. What a ridiculous argument.
by Conservative on May 18, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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Dude, do you understand sarcasm and jest?
Neither of us believe they are the same, but we were making a ridiculous statement in reply to some people stating that the players must honor their contracts.
Sarcasm and jest, dude, sarcasm and jest.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally
You are saying that if I feel this way about Mathis, then I should also feel this way about MJD’s recent contract. And I am saying that is a BAD comparison.
by Conservative on May 18, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It was sarcasm.
That means I didn’t necessarily mean that.
And even if I meant what I said, it would be more like:
If you think contracts should never be renegotiated, you should disagree with MJD’s. Which was what this was aimed at. Not to compare, but to show how ridiculous it was to say that contracts should never be renegotiated until they are played out.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
When a player under contract gets released
it’s because there’s a clause in their contract that allows this to happen. Similarly some players have clauses written into their contract that if they meet certain performance goals, they can void the last few years of their contract.
I’m tired of the argument that the club can cut the player. They can only do that because it’s IN THE CONTRACT. There is nothing in Mathis’ contract that says he can renegotiate this year.
Actually, he shouldn't.
Because it is voluntary.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like it's voluntary to renegotiate his contract.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh
Now you gone and screwed everyone up by applying logic and facts to the argument. It sounded so much better when they could say, “the teams never hold up their side of the contract”.
by Conservative on May 18, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
NFL = No free Lunch
hey that’s funny – I just made it up – absolutely not pertinent to this conversation.
I use to get free lunch at the place I worked at.
It was nice. Fridays we had pizza… Wednesdays we had soups….
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if we should count ourselves lucky.
So far, a top player on our team wanting a new contract is our biggest problem of the offseason. Much better that someone being accused of rape, getting a DUI, suspended for hCG…
Silver-lining, huh?
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
an option
I dont know if this would work but seems logical to me, I dont think any new contracts should be allowed to be talked about until the first one has been played out, " by the player that is." If the team sees that they would like to keep the player around they can bring a longer and extienton of the contract to the table and begain there. Other then that play out your contract and go from there.
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And if that was how it really was...
then I would not mind at all. I’d love it, in fact. However, that isn’t how things are.
by alwaysforgiven821 on May 18, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I Wish
He was at OTAs, but I’m not mad at him about it. Only beef I had was PFT saying Del Rio should be fined for voicing his opinion on the subject. Thats garbage. Jack should be able to say what he wants, no matter the situation.
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If you're going holdout, you deserve to look like the bad guy
He’s already making more money in one year than 97% of the people in the U.S. and he’s going holdout for more.
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When he's laying on the ground
He’s goin get it haha
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I don't get it
I hate when games lock up. The worst was with the old school games, and you’d get stuck in a wall or the floor or something. Sux.
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The guy wasn’t stuck, he was t-bagging him. Call of Duty has a kill cams, so after you die you can see how the person killed you. Is just considered a sign of completely owning someone.
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by theMAGICman on May 19, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
But he could crack the 98% tile...
You can’t compare what a pro athlete does compared to everyone else, just like you can’t compare a civil engineer to theaverage person. It’s a different playing field. If you did a job that called for a high salary then you would want what your worth no matter the job.
If you were a computer programmer who made 40 gs a year but a guy who sits next to you who does the exact same job and equal work makes 100 gs then your not going to like it right? All Mathis wants is what he’s worth, or what he percieves to be his worth. Revis makes twice as much as Mathis right now and he’s pushing for a contract that’s worth double that too! He doesn’t need to be payed as much as Revis, he shouldn’t, but he does deserve a little more then he does get in my opinion. If you don’t agree then that’s your opinion, but I don’t think you can compare what he does to the average Joe.
by jstnblke41 on May 18, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He could also crack a bone
Then the Jags have screwed themselves once again. I think the F.O. has a better feel for the situation than any of us could hope to obtain. If he gets more money, he deserves it. If he doesn’t, maybe he doesn’t deserve it. I think they are weighing the pros and cons. That’s their job. Our job is to support the team, let the players’ agents handle their advocacy.
Vae Victis!
I agree
That the front office gets to choose what happens. Ultimately Mathis is still under contract so the team doesn’t have to move. If they think he deserves a new contract then they will give him one as you said.
I just want to defend Rasheans right to sit ot OTAs in protest, they aren’t the end all be all workout and teams aren’t set in stone 4 months before the season starts. He isn’t a cancer because he’s not at OTAs, he just wants to get his.
by jstnblke41 on May 18, 2010 8:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think anyone is questioning Mathis’ right to sit out OTA’s in protest, as they are ‘voluntary’. But some don’t think others have the right to adjust their opinion of him as a result.
And…
He’s already got his. He’s trying to get someone elses.
by Conservative on May 18, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That's in their right I suppose
I guess I see it a little differently, I don’t hate the player I hate the game. Mathis isn’t setting a precedent by doing this, even in our own division Andre Johnson is doing the same thing. I don’t hate the players for wanting their market value. If you are asking for what their true value is that’s debateable but to me this is the time to sit out. It doesn’t bother me.
by jstnblke41 on May 18, 2010 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If the guy making 100gs tells everyone at work what he is making, he should be fired. Maybe if these NFL contracts weren’t public, we wouldn’t have this problem.
by Conservative on May 18, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's an interesting concept
I would think the problem would be similar though, the agents would know what the deal was with most contracts.
by jstnblke41 on May 18, 2010 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice post, Crow
I think Mathis should take his ass to work. He’s distracting me.
Here’s the thing about signing a contract, you’re bound by covenant. Just because someone else makes more than you a year later, it doesn’t give you the right to hold your team hostage because some jackass GM caved to the demands of a hotshot. If you play your original contract out, and allow teams to compete for your services, you can increase your earning potential by signing with the highest bidder. Greed comes into play when you jump on the offer of more money early with a contract extension. The players would be better served by perpetuating patience for the payday.
Holding out, and trying to break covenant with your partner makes you untrustworthy in my book. It sets a piss poor example for the young men in your industry. There are better ways to negotiate.
Vae Victis!
It's fun, really
What else would we talk about? Thanks, Mathis!
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by viator on May 18, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
On the other hand
If I were Mathis, I’d be pissed that Williams and Florence were paid more than me. He deserves to, at least, have his pay mirror what was given to Drayton.
His injuries would be my concern, if I were the Jags….
Vae Victis!
I don’t think the Drayton Florence deal is exactly going to be used as a template around the Jags F.O.
by Conservative on May 18, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions

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