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2010 Mini-Camp Aftermath: The Secondary


One of the areas for concern all off-season and during mini-camp was the safety position.  Many people aren't concerned with the cornerback position all that much, but should they?  Some interesting happenings occurred during mini-camp weekend that could potentially be foreshadowing.

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As we all know, the saftey position on the Jacksonville Jaguars is a position of dire concern.  Former first round pick Reggie Nelson took a nosedive in play after his rookie season and so far in camp hasn't been any better.  There were murmurs of the team trying to move him during the draft to no avail, and even a report earlier in the week about calling around and trying to peddle him now.  Outside of Gerald Alexander who the Jaguars traded for last season, everyone else filling in at safety has left a lot to be desired.

Something interesting that did occur however, was at the cornerback position.  Derek Cox, who was a 3rd round pick in 2009 that everyone questioned, got a lot of work at the left cornerback position, normally manned by veteran Rashean Mathis. "I thought it was because Rashean [Mathis] needed a blow," Cox told Michael DiRocco of the Florida Times-Union. "I thought they were just doing a veteran move, letting him sit down and I was just taking the reps on the left side. I guess it's worth giving it a shot."

The move shouldn't be unfamiliar to Cox if it occurs, as he played on the left side in high school and in college at William & Mary. "I like the left side, just because I've done it for so long. It's comfortable for me." If the move works into being permanent, does that mean Rashean Mathis is being phased out and over to the right side, or is something else in the works?

In 2003, Rashean Mathis was drafted in the second round as a free safety out of Bethune Cookman.  He played all 16 games as a rookie, beginning his career at free safety and then moving to starting cornerback as the year went on.  With the concern at safety and Cox working in on the left side, is it possible the Jacksonville Jaguars ask Rashean Mathis to make a move back to the safety position in the same way they did with former Jaguar Brian Williams a few seasons ago?

If you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.  Mathis is 29 years old, he'll turn 30 during the season.  He's getting to the point where he will be considered "older" for a cornerback. Mathis play hasn't wained yet, but he has been hampered by injuries and hasn't played a full 16 games since 2006.  A move to free safety could not only add a real ball hawk in the backfield, but prolong his career.  Mathis isn't really known as a tackler, but at the safety position he can use his range and ball skills to play center field, like the Jaguars hoped Reggie Nelson would be able to do.  A move from corner to safety isn't an abnormal thing for older corners either, especially considering Rashean Mathis' size (6'1", 200lbs).

The big question if the move is made however, is who takes over at the right cornerback position that Derek Cox used to man?  My first guess would be Tyron Brackenridge, who had a very good season last year starting 5 games as a fill-in corner and nickelback.  Outside of Brackenridge, William MIddleton had a lot of work with the first team defense over the weekend.  Then there is always the infamous pirated player, Don Carey.  Carey had a decent weekend, but you can tell he's getting his legs out from under him after a year out of football.

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That's an interesting observation

I could definately see if happening in a few years if we don’t get a high quality safety, but I don’t see it this season. I think Mathis is still an excellent corner in this league and despite injuries is still probably our best defensive player in my opinion.

It could happen, might even see spot duty this year, but I think he’s still our main cornerback.

by jstnblke41 on May 6, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I’ve been saying this since last season.

Shake and Bake

by theMAGICman on May 6, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Strengthen One Weaken Other

Moving Mathis to FS makes no sense at all. The only way it would is if you had another player that could play CB at the same level or better. Brackenridge is not even close to being able to play at the level Mathis can.

Why would you want to weaken a premium position at CB for a lesser at FS?

That’s like moving your LT to play G.

You need Corners to play in this pass happy league, and two doesn’t even cut it anymore. You really have to have three in this league now.

The Jags spend over 60% of the time in Nickel. So having a third CB is essential especially when you have to face Manning and all his weapons.

The solution is to find a Safety in roster cut downs or maybe OJ Atogwe comes available. If not you have to play the hand you are dealt. The Jags had to last year and might have to again.

by SBNATION1 on May 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah you could be right, but

We still need to wait til the pads get on, before we can figure out if one of these young guys can step up into a starting CB. And you are right that the CB is a premium position ,but I always consider the FS to be the quarterback of the defense, because usually they’re the ones who make all the coverage calls

Shake and Bake

by theMAGICman on May 6, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

i always thought of the mlb to be the QB of the d

dont want mathis at fs, can mathis even tackle well enough to play fs?

by jags2732 on May 6, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

back when MLB was considered a premium position it was, but now that its a Pass first league the FS position has become more and more important.

Shake and Bake

by theMAGICman on May 6, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

there are a couple safties out there on the market right now:

gibril wilson
ken hamlin

plus guys that might get cut/traded

laron landry
dawan landry
atari bigby
oj atogwe

by miblue on May 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

would love laron

didnt atari just sign an extension?

by jags2732 on May 6, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would make a lot of sense....if the Jaguars had a lot more people to play CB.

There’s a huge drop-off after Mathis and Cox. I’d argue there’s even less depth at CB than at safety. At least with safety, everyone’s at the same [mediocre] level. With CB, there are two guys that can play, and then………not much of anything.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on May 6, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought Brackenridge played very well. Granted, he’s not in Mathis’ league, but he could do well as a #2 corner

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by Jonathan Loesche on May 6, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brakenridge

Why not try Brackenridge at Safety?

To early to tell how everything shapes up. Maybe somebody at Safety starts to emerge later in camp, and there will be no need to move anyone.

I did hear from Vic that Don Carey looked real good, and might be the Jags nickel back moving forward. So you might see Brackenridge tried at Safety. Just a thought.

by SBNATION1 on May 6, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've long wondered if

Tyron could get by at FS. I know he’s a good tackler, and he’s got CB skills, minus the speed.

by Ewdtrey on May 6, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't even put him in Cox's league.

Maybe I am judging too harshly, but he’s simply not a starting corner in the NFL. The only thing that stood out about him to me was….nothing.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on May 6, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Tyron's

tackling and playmaking ability was pretty good, along with his size. WHat he doesn’t have is speed.

by Ewdtrey on May 6, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heavily disagree with that.

Slot receivers are usually fast and shifty, and you need speed to cover that. I don’t trust Tyron in coverage at all.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on May 6, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He looked

better there than on the outside.
From what I’ve seen he looked fair with working on lateral routes, when working the outside he got exposed.
He looked decent when he had Cox and Mathis with him.
He isn’t a sure thing by any means if he gonna play anywhere it’ll be the nickle.

Fair and Balanced

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on May 7, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

nickles need

short area speed more than long speed. Brack’s more of a short speed guy.

Fair and Balanced

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on May 7, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brack

didn’t even play any nickel. If he did, it was very little. Even late in the year when Mathis got back, Middleton took over the NB duties…. haha duties

by Ewdtrey on May 7, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I expected him to look better there

I would like to see him get reps as CB tho to see if he’s got it.
FS are pressed into man duties at times

Fair and Balanced

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on May 7, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

He played nickel a lot until Mathis got injured

He looked pretty solid there. On the outside, not so much
I’m glad you laughed at that dirty word tho.

Fair and Balanced

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on May 7, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's been injured since like...2007.

I wouldn’t count on time from him any more than I would count on time from Bob Sanders. At a certain time, you just write someone off and count any contributions as an unexpected bonus.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on May 6, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Then who is going to be our #1 receiver? Because surely you have written Sims-Walker off, right?

Just being a smart a@@!

by Conservative on May 6, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, I do believe a good number of us wrote off Mike "I need a" Walker before last season,

so, touche. Still though, I don’t understand anyone having high hopes for a severely undersized defensive back that hasn’t seen action in a few years.

In Gene We Trust.

by MoveThoseChains on May 6, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not high hopes

but it’s higher hopes than I have for the other players already on the roster. Frankly we don’t have a great 3 deep CB position. But I think Starks may have the best ability behind Derek and Mathis. As for the injuries, none of his inuries are injuries that are problematic to come back from. And what are the chances that he gets a freak injury again? (Glass half full, or glass half empty?)

by Ewdtrey on May 6, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also in 5 seasons

he’s played every game 3 of those 5 years.

by Ewdtrey on May 6, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

another nickle

He can’t play outside-he’s too small.
I do like him, tho I hope he shines, he needs to makes it through a season for once.

Fair and Balanced

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on May 6, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets not judge him

because of his size. Anyhow he’s about the same size as a few starting CB’s in the league. Asante Samuel is one of them.

by Ewdtrey on May 7, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Samuel is 5’10
Starks is 5’9 that seems a lil closer to 5’8
I’d keep Starks in NB he’d have a lot more advantages than disadvantages there.

Fair and Balanced

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on May 7, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Samuels

is closer to 5’9" in person.

by Ewdtrey on May 8, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samuels has prob 1.5-2 inches on Starks

Fair and Balanced

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on May 8, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once the pads come on

we will be able to tell how big of a problem there may be in the secondary. If the pass rush turns into what we all hope it will then that will be a huge boost to the safeties and corners. Disrupting the QB is the key. I dont care what team it is, you cant expect a secondary to be forced to cover recievers for 6 seconds every play and not expect big plays landed on you. We need to wait for the pads.

by JagSoldier on May 6, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Tight work, Alfie

Very interesting ideas. I like it. I believe the secondary will shape up nicely by the end of training camp.

Vae Victis!

by viator on May 6, 2010 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I sure hope so

or else we’re screwed

Shake and Bake

by theMAGICman on May 6, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

I’m more worried about the defensive line. A disruptive line can turn any mediocre secondary until a solid one.

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by Jonathan Loesche on May 6, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm still worried

that the DB’s are underwhelming to opposing QB’s. The DL, imo, will be alright as long as there is some coverage.

by Ewdtrey on May 6, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Move Mathis to safety

And trade Jones-Drew for Charles Woodson straight up. ;)

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 6, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

There would be such a backlash if Mojo got traded

especially when he’s in his prime. Mojo is probably the only person in Jacksonville who would have a chance to beat Tebow in Popularity

Shake and Bake

by theMAGICman on May 6, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Notice the “;)”

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 6, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry didn’t realize ;) is the universal sign for " I’m joking" haha

Shake and Bake

by theMAGICman on May 7, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Word

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on May 7, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thought the Jags

would have addressed the secondary-especially in the draft.
I can’t at this point trust Brackenridge as more than a nickle.- I prefer him there.
Among other reasons, I remember TO flying right past Brackenridge for a bomb and he lacks speed for outside coverage.
R Mathis playing FS would produce results.- He played S throughout college, but I would only do it if there was a proven RCB to pair with Cox.
Rasheen at FS is a luxury that Jag’s current roster cannot afford. This could change if Carey, Middleton, Brackenridge etc shine through TC and Preseason, but I think of these players at this point as plug ins at nickle that can graduate to outside CB.
Cox has serious potential, I would be fine with him playing LCB, but it’s hard to trust a 2nd yr player in that position without a qualified RCB.
RCB needs to be either RM or someone of similar caliber. That’s a lot to ask out of Cox.
but I like the idea in general.

Fair and Balanced

by MikeThomasSlotReceiver on May 6, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

completely correct

Glad somebody told it how it was

by Rocky1979 on May 7, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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