Jacksonville Jaguars and Tyson Alualu Negotiations
by Alfie Crow on Jul 31, 2010 1:17 PM EDT
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Contrary to some reports of the Jacksonville Jaguars and first round pick Tyson Alualu being close on a contract, a source close to the situation tells me that the $17 million guaranteed that has been reported is not the figure and would be a zero percent increase from the 2009 10th overall pick's contract.
In 2009, 10th overall pick Michael Crabtree signed a 6-year deal worth $17 million in guarantees. As of today, picks seven, eight, eleven, and thirteen have all signed contracts, so they should give a good starting point for the increase in Alualu's deal.
- Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns - 5yr, $26 million guaranteed - roughly a 10.5% increase from 2009
- Rolando McClain, Oakland Raiders - 5yr, $23 million guaranteed - a 23% increase from 2009 (Eugene Monroe)
- Anthony Davis, San Francisco 49ers - 5yr, $15.9 million guaranteed - a 12% increase from 2009.
- Brandon Graham, Philadelphia Eagles - 5 years, financial terms undisclosed. The thirteenth pick in 2009 received $12.1 million guaranteed.
Given the significant increase in money from Rolando McClain's contract and the somewhat normal increase of Anthony Davis', we can expect the increase of Tyson Alualu's deal to be in the range of 13 to 18%. A source close to the situation tells me the deal should be for around $19-20.5 million guaranteed, which falls right in that range of 13-18%. The full $20.5 million would be a 20% increase, given the Jacksonville Jaguars history I would expect an increase around 15%, which would put the guaranteed money right at $19.55 million.
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And that source(maybe Zuckerman himself?...) said
that the agreement can be done this weekend?
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Jul 31, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions
Also
Crabtree got that 17 million for 6 years while the Jags want to give Alualu a 5 year deal.
By the way; The Jags wanted to sign him 17 million. The agent wanted around million dollar more. 17; 5 for 5 years I think still an increase.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Jul 31, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
$17 mil guaranteed over 6 years = $17 mil
$17 mil guaranteed over 5 years = $17 mil
$17 = $17
by Alfie Crow on Jul 31, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh; I don't know that
number of years not counting to the guaranteed (Which is a stupid thing if it’s true…)
Anyway; I hope the Jags can manage the deal around 18 million
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Jul 31, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you can use Crabtree's contract at all
Yes, $17M = $17M but it’s still 6 years. If it would matter if it was 1 year with $17M guaranteed then it matters that it’s 6 years.
He also held out into early October which certainly had some effect on the contract.
Just like even if his salary for the first 2-3 seasons isn’t guaranteed, it’s fairly certain he’ll get that money since they’re not likely to cut a 1st round pick in the first 2-3 seasons.
All that matters is guaranteed money.
$17 million is a 0% increase. Doesn matter if it’s 1 year or 20 years, all that matters is guaranteed money.
It’s going to be more than $17 million.
by Alfie Crow on Jul 31, 2010 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not disagreeing that it's probably going to be more
just that $17M guaranteed over 1 year, 5 years or 6 years is NOT equal.
There are two things going on. One is the annual salary, which I believe is usually not a consistent rate throughout the length of the contract, and is usually fed to the public as one total amount called the contract value.
The other is the guaranteed amount, which I believe the player will get over some time regardless of whether he is injured or cut on day 1.
Although the salary is important, the guaranteed money seems to be most important, because after all, it is the only money that is guaranteed.
1 year is a bad example, because the guaranteed money would be more than 1 year’s salary. But as long as the guaranteed money is equal or less than the contract value, the guaranteed money is all that really matters. This would probably occur in any contract >3 years in length.
by Conservative on Jul 31, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
But you also need look at the annual salaries because while not technically guaranteed, they’re more than likely to see their early paychecks no matter how they play.
by pksiv on Jul 31, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The guaranteed amount is not additional money. It is made up of the annual salary money. So, their ‘early paychecks’ are guaranteed in a sense. The guaranteed amount only comes into play if they are cut prior to the time they have been paid the guaranteed amount of annual salary money.
Ex: (for simplicity, assume flat annual salary, no signing bonus, and ignore the timing of payments – only the timing of earning)
If a player gets $30mil/5yrs($6mil/yr salary) with $17mil guaranteed and is cut after the end of year 1, then he earned $17mil in one year(or $17mil/yr). If he is cut after the end of year 2, then he earned $17mil in two years(or $8.5mil/yr). If he is cut after the end of year 3, then he earned $18mil in 3 years(or $6mil/yr). At this point his guaranteed money is ‘earned out’ so to speak.
by Conservative on Jul 31, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That scenario isn't realistic
it’s just as possible that the entire guaranteed portion is bonus money and not salary at all.
Here’s the full terms of Crabtree’s deal
10/7/2009: Signed a six-year, $32 million contract. The deal includes $17 million guaranteed. Another $8 million is available through incentives. The contract can void to five years based on “unlikely to be earned” Pro Bowl and playing-time triggers. Per one clause in the contract, $15 million of Crabtree’s available escalators is contingent on him participating in at least 90% of annual offseason workouts. 2010: $2.287 million, 2011: $3.875 million, 2012: 3.5 million, 2013: 4.5 million, 2014: $3.5 million (Voidable Year), 2015: Free Agent
Notice that those salary figures are in addition to the $17M. Not sure what he made last season.
You’re making this way more complicate than it is and getting caught up in semantics.
The ONLY thing the “increase” is based on is guaranteed money. Nothing else. That’s it.
by Alfie Crow on Jul 31, 2010 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In that example, isn’t the number of years 100% irrelevant if he gets all that guaranteed money up front? I feel like your example only proves that the number of years is not that important.
by Conservative on Jul 31, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Your kidding right..
ALualu got picked as high as he dared hoped to be picked.. He woudlnt get $17M guarnateed at 12 or 15..
WHY in gods green earth do THESE rookies deserve ANY payraise over the previous rookies.
A Rookie cap HAS to be in the new CBA.. no way can teams keep paying this.. especially since the track record of what they get for thier money isnt always the best.
I think with a great scouting staff.. teams should start just trading away thier #1 picks and just go with a lot more 2nd and 3rd rounds..
These rookie salarys are going to bankrupt the teams and or make it so the poor stay poorer since they wont be able to afford to sign good free agents due to al the money wrapped up in rookies..
Nothing against Alualu.. its the system.. the system purely sucks a$$
Maybe the pay raises should be based ont eh PERFORMANCE of the rookie in thier slot the year before.. I am sure that would go over really well.
" In Gene We Trust "
is not about the rooks... they have no control over it...
i think it’s all about the percentage the agent can make… the higher the salary the more money money Tom Condon can make…
At any time these rookies
could break or tear something playing their sport. It could end their entire career. So you will wait two weeks to get as much money as you can. Because it could be your only pay day.
Its the SYSTEM that is wrong
Tyson will get WAY more money than any first rd picker should get – HOWEVER that is the game and I expect him to sign this weekend – GS knows we need him.
Chad
TIRED OF HEARING
that these guys could get hurt at any time in their career and end them, oh im sorry have you added up your salary to see how long it would take you to make 17 mil. Even if he got hurt if he was smart, witch most of them arnt, you invest that money and then you dont have to worry about getting hurt, bc you have a back up plan. Hell if he took 2 mil of it and opend up his own resturant hed be set for life….come on, the guys are way over payed to PLAY A GAME…..one we all love watching yes…but still its a game…..
Mess With the Best Die like the Rest
+1
wanted to say it, but didn’t have the energy
The rookies are the ones that are overpaid
I don’t mind how much veterans are paid, because they EARNED their money. But football salaries are nothing compared to baseball and basketball.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
+1
Couldnt agree more. Veterans paid thier dues and proved thier worth..
Rookies ahve not.. and in MANY cases will prove they ARENT worth the money they are paid.
" In Gene We Trust "
No Oklahoma tonight
Practice was canceled due to lightning. C’mon Alualu, you have another chance!
I was lied to.
I guess they just didn’t want too many people around to watch it. Stupid securtity.
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