QB Kellen Clemens: Future Jacksonville Jaguar?
by silencecs on Aug 11, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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The Jaguars' QB play thus far has been underwhelming to say the least. Garrard is replicating his yearly struggles in training camp, which always makes us fret. Luke McCown, after narrowly losing a battle to start for the Buccaneers, was pursued and acquired by Gene Smith and immediately declared the #2 QB. McCown was even thought by some (myself included) to have the potential to push Garrard this camp, but he hasn't demonstrated that ability yet.
Competition?
Enter Kellen Clemens. The 49th overall selection of the 2006 NFL Draft, Clemens has the ability to succeed. But, has his inability to entrench himself as the starter have more to do with unceasing tumult in NY over his tenure, or does it have to do with a lack of ability?
We'll take a look at the situation after the jump.
When Clemens came in as a rookie, Chad Pennington was in front of him. When Pennington went down the following year, the Jets were already in turmoil, and Clemens floundered to say the least. He composed a paltry 52% completion percentage along with 10 interceptions and only 5 TD's. He obviously couldn't carry that atrocious team.
In the 2008 offseason, his coach, Mangini, went out to recruit Brett Favre in a desperate attempt to save his job... Fail. As a result, Clemens hit the sideline again and there was no competition for the starting position. Clemens didn't complain at all, he was classy throughout the scenario.
The following year, Sanchez came to town and was chosen with the number 5 overall pick. The job was his to lose, and he played competently enough to hold the position. Clemens rode the pine again. Now, he's preparing to enter his 5th NFL season, and the Jets just signed longtime Jaguar Mark Brunell. Rex Ryan has declared that Brunell is absolutely the back-up, indicating that Clemens is likely on his way out the door prior to the season's beginning.
I certainly don't think Clemens is going to come in and play well enough to take the starting job from Dave, but with the poor quarterback play thus far, it wouldn't be a stretch to see the Jaguars' try to look elsewhere to provide competition. Kellen's agent was granted permission to seek a trade prior to the draft, but the asking price of the Jets was too steep for the potential suitors, according to the agent.
I will tell you this though, Kellen is widely regarded as a high character individual and a stand-up guy who puts his team first. He would make a great locker-room addition and his the tools to succeed. Was he a victim of circumstance, or did he miss his chance back in 2007? You have to believe he's improved since that debacle of a half-season he played.
Potential Roadblocks
The Jets have the ability to sit on Clemens' rights and release him just before the regular season, far too little time to learn a new playbook and compete. This would significantly reduce his value and decrease the chances of the Jaguars biting on the player when he's released.
The Jaguars' would be left with the dilemma of deciding who to go with as their back-up, Luke McCown, or Clemens, and they'd have to decide quick. The team won't want to enter the season with 3 roster spots tied up at the quarterback position, and I likely expect that this alone may cause Gene to shy away from the deal. However, any competition at the position has to be seen as a positive if this inconsistent play continues into the preseason.
We'll know soon enough.
- Collin Streetman
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Because anytime you can lock up a guy who just lost his job to a 40 year old free agent, you have to do it.
I’m not sure I’d classify it as him “losing” the job to Brunell. Clemens is a hang on QB from Mangini. Generally new coaches dump those.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 8:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you really believe that ?
Are you saying that he’ll release Clemens and replace him with a 40 year old free agent but if they were both free agents he’d sign Clemens over Brunell since he’s only releasing him because he’s someone else’s guy ?
Where did I say he was going to release him?
I said generally coaches dump old regime’s guys. He dumped Ratliff and drafted Sanchez. They brought in Brunell because they wanted a real vet with experience, as Clemens is still in proven.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You didn't come out and say it
but that statement certainly implies it.
I’m not sure I’d classify it as him "losing" the job to Brunell. Clemens is a hang on QB from Mangini. Generally new coaches dump those.
I’m going to re-bump this, since we publishe at same time.
And I like it. I liked Clemens as the 2nd best QB in that draft.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 8:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Interesting idea. Wonder what the Jets would be looking for
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 11, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't give them anything for Clemens
I would rather see the Jags use draft picks on a rookie qb next year.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
Not the long term answer
He would just be another band-aid on the position. We need a young QB desperately.
Not desperately...
We’re not going to get small pox if we don’t have a developmental guy on the roster for another year. Yes it would be great to have him in and learning already, but we’re talking about a guy who can’t be all that we need him to be right now. We’re talking about developmental players to push starters to be better.
That’s not a desperate need. A desperate need is consistent O Line play and a Safety to step up and provide the safety net behind a rebuilt D Line. THOSE are what we need desperately.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
Well said
What worries me in all this is that so many people think we’re going to draft the next Peyton Manning in his second year in next years draft. I say 2nd year because even Peyton was 3-13 in his first season.
Exactly
Even the QBs that play very well as rookies, or even win super bowls as rookies, are not playing at a high pro bowl caliber level. They are serviceable and learning on the job. It takes a couple or three years to be great.
And yes, I support drafting a franchise QB if Gene thinks he can find one, but I’m not gonna die if we don’t draft a QB until the 6th round (Tom Brady) or find one undrafted (Tony Romo, Kurt Warner). We’ll find our next QB where we find our next QB. I can see it already that people are set to melt down if Gene doesn’t draft a QB in the first round next year.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
This is all Clemens is...
“I certainly don’t think Clemens is going to come in and play well enough to take the starting job from Dave, but with the poor quarterback play thus far, it wouldn’t be a stretch to see the Jaguars’ try to look elsewhere to provide competition.”
But he doesn’t seem to be doing that either. Obviously coaches aren’t seeing him as competition or trust worthy depth if multiple ones are scuttling him down the depth chart. I don’t think Gene gets him because he hasn’t done anything to prove he’s not McCown in a different jersey.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
I applaud Alfie in his piece right before this......
because he reported the facts about yesterdays practice in Flowery Branch, but obviously no one else on this site read jaguars.com yesterday. Since none of you seemed too, I will re-cap it as I did in my fan post from yesterday. David Garrard had a very impressive day! I have no problems looking for someone to push David, because I think Luke has accepted the role of a NFL back-up QB, and that will not help David get better, but silencecs, if your gonna write a QB piece about a team after the starting QB of that team seems to have turned it around and is going in the right direction, might be a good idea to mention that fact. Report facts guys…….all of them….good and bad. If you don’t do that, its called propaganda. Just my opinion….
did we have to go to that tone already?
We were doing so well.
My bad.....
but to me it was such good news that David and Mike T. had big days yesterday that I was hoping to get more detail on it this morning. Heck, even Dan Hicken was positive about it. I guess I should have expected what I got. I will shut up about it now!
Its hard to give details of a practice in which none of us witnessed.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hold on a second.
You’re going to puff your chest out over a single day of practice after nearly two weeks of mediocrity and then call that person out for propaganda?
Really? You’re always first in lone to defend garrard when someone criticizes him. Let’s all calm down with this agenda and propaganda bullshit. Everyone has different opinions. Respect that without accusing people of having agendas, because I could say the exact same about you having an agenda.
It’s getting ridiculous. Disagree all you want, but settle down with this crap.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually
if we listen to Vic he’s had several good practices in a row. Both in Atlanta and back in Jacksonville.
I like to read stories that tell me what’s going on without taking sides. You right a number of them. But never when you write about DG.
I don’t recall Vic claiming he’s had several good practices in a row. He was mediocre most of last week, mediocre in the scrimmage, mediocre Monday in Atlanta and good yesterday. No ones “taking sides”.
I’m never right about Garrard?
Alright. Whatever.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
I think Garrard’s been up and down until the joint practices. Just some fine tuning needs to be done.
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 11, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Alfie.....
I am the first to defend, and have agreed with you when he has done bad. I am telling you it looks very lopsided from my point of view, and that is my opinion. I am going to express it. I have not swore or slammed anyone. It is no different than the shots that we take a Mike F (or MF as he is now know here) for what seems to be a biased opinion. I am not puffing my chest (get real), just stating what I am seeing, and yes, I guess I feel the need to write the good about David, as I do not see it being done on the main page here.
PS: Where did this aggression towards me come from when I just complimented you on your piece by opening my post “I applaud Alfie in his piece right before this……”?
This article was about adding competition to the QB position. There was ‘no’ agenda or propaganda in it. Stating as such is completely over the top and I’m trying to nip this crap in the bud.
No one here has an agenda.
No one here is spreading propaganda.
By accusing people of agendas and spreading propaganda constantly you’re slamming them.
Cut it out. It’s childish and unnecessary.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok, you got a deal.......
I will not make that statement anymore, but answer me this one question. We all have concerns about which Garrard will be present on the field this year. Many stories have been written discussing this, and we all have our opinions, but in general, we all have questions. Many facts have been posted listing his short comings so far this preseason, but in every article written by editor or fan (and I know the editors are fans too), it is agreed that DG will be our starting QB. We may differ on our confidence in him, but we all agree he is “our man”. That being said, when “our man” as a great day, do yo not think it is big news? Do you not think it deserves a pretty big mention?
No more propaganda talk from me. I will simply present my view on a subject. Just consider what I have said here.
GO JAGS!
Again, I wasn’t there.
I’m not going to give my opinion on something I didn’t see.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You found information about the camp the day before....
in your piece titled “Jacksonville Jaguars Training Camp 2010”. Was yesterday’s news not at least as important? I think the starting QB showing signs of life is huge news.
Yes, I referenced Thomas catching some Tds and said “by all accounts”. I also referenced multiple practices, not just yesterday. I wasn’t there, which is why it only got a mention.
So do you want me to write an entire article dedicated to how good Garrard looked in a practice I didn’t witness?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want you to do what you think is right...
and report what you want, and support it with facts, and I will find facts that support what I think is correct. That is what a blog site should be all about. I apologized for the propaganda talk earlier, and will take the fact approach from here on in. Keep up the good work and have a great day!
The best part of this little spat is that David will either get it done this year, or he won’t, and that result will be black and white, and there will be no question…..oh wait, sure there will!!!!
there is a difference in being a practice hero
and the actual performance in real games over the past couple of seasons - just saying 1 good day of practice hardly makes up for 2 seasons worth of play in actual games. Skeptism has been EARNED in this case. DG showing me in actual regular season games (consistently) is what I will be watching for. But a great day of practice is certainly good to hear :)
I am going to end this discussion now
I live In NY and most football I watch is Jets and Giants football. I have seen enough of Kellen Clemens to know he is lousy, miserable, and incapable of playing in any capacity other than third string quarterback. Even the Jet faans hate him.
Why?
Where would the sence be in signing a guy that the Jets do not have faith in? If the Jets signed a 40 year old QB that means they had little faith in his ability to run the team if Sanchez went down. Gene has proven he is much smarter than that.
They want Mark to mentor and guide Sanchez according to Rex Ryan I believe.
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I.E. it has more to do with that than it does talent level.
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I always go back to what Vic says
Players Play and Coaches Coach.
I can’t see signing Brunell as a multi-million-dollar player just to set a good example.
FWIW, he signed a 2yr – $2M deal, which I think is vet min for his tenure. He’s not really a “multi-million” dollar player.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 6:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i was just wondering why people keep picking on alfie i mean seriously this is a football blog not a yell-at-someone-for-writing-a-thought-provoking-article blog. He writes from his belief but more then 85 percent pure fact stuff, its hard to spin facts keep that in mind.
Waber-Jaguar
"its hard to spin facts"
Then how do you explain that other reports on the same topic and the same practice were the complete opposite ?
That said, and as he’s said several times in this post, from Monday’s joint practice, he was actually only passing along what someone told him since he wasn’t there.
The 2010 version of ...
Tyler Thigpen. Everyone was on the Thigpen bandwagon last year but look at him now. 3rd string in Miami? Hell, this offseason Charlie Whitehurst was the flavor of the offseason backup, before that Billy Volek, Patrick Ramsey, etc.
I think we’ve hitched our wagon to the 2 guys we have with Harris on the practice squad for a year for the 2010 season. Unless the Patriots negotiations with Brady blow up and in a drunken stupor, Bob Kraft trades him to the Jags straight up for Garrard, I don’t see anyone coming in who’s going to wow us til 2011.
He’s actually the number 2 in Miami and had a very good camp.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 11, 2010 6:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what exactly
does “very good camp” mean? And please let me qualify my query with the statement that I am not trying to goad you into a blogospheric judo contest.
I mean he’s not going to press Henne for playing time. He’s not going to get traded to start on someone else’s team before the season, and most importantly he’s going against the same defensive personnel in camp with the same tendencies and with the knowledge of what they are trying to do AND most importantly knowing that he is untouchable with the red jersey.
All I’m saying is let’s see how he does when the red jersey comes off and they’re using live ammo and players on the other side of the ball are trying to make a name for themselves as well.
I’m reminded of back in the day a guy named Mike Oliphant who tore it up in Redskins camp and preseason then come regular season nada.
is Thigpen behind Pat White on the depth chart?
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Last I heard Thigpen was third...
behind Pennington now. The Dolphins are in a predicament with what to do with Pat White. Do they change his position, keep him as wildcat weapon, release him, etc.
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yeah
not the best draft pick
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I say "No"
I know the Qb situation could be much better; but llet’s stick with these guys. For now….
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 11, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions
Lets rephrase it a little
Pick 1 player to be the backup: Trevor harris, Luke Mccown, or Kellen Clemens
For me its Garrard → McCown→ (extreme emergency) Zach Miller
Practice Squad maybe: Trevor Harris
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i never thought but yeah Miller would be an excellent emergency option…..it actaully reminds me of the game a whole bunch of years back where Keenan McCardell was actually warming up at QB just in case……….i wonder who the emergency was before last year? in 2008?
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Bring back Matt Jones baby!
Remember all of the AK guys demanding MJ get a shot at QB?
by JohnnyBiceps on Aug 13, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in NY...CLEMENS IS NOT THE ANSWER...
The guy is shell shocked. He’s really scared of contact. That’s the wrap on him. If Freeney/Mathis/Williams hit this guy once, it’s over…
One life to live, live it to the fullest...
I live in NJ...^^ is correct.
He’s fragile, and maybe if he had the colts/patriots O-Line, he would get us to 10-6 like MC did when TB got hurt, but with our O-Line troubles, he’ll be hit and sacked too many times, and he’ll be hurt before the end of the first game. David Garrard is the answer for this year, and next year, we should draft our QB of the future, in 2-3 years, with our new QB, Ultimate Receiver core, and a revamped O-Line our Offense will be unstoppable.
TB=Tom Brady
MC=Matt Cassel
by rhettchrystal on Aug 12, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
and next year we should draft our QB of the future. And in 2-3 years, with our new QB, Ultimate Receiver Core, and revamped O-Line, our O will be unstoppable********
by rhettchrystal on Aug 12, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT??
Come On Man! – We need a real QB which we haven’t seen here in a while – A potential top ten guy!
Chad
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