Jacksonville Jaguars Post-Game: LUKE MCGOWEN!!!
by Alfie Crow on Aug 14, 2010 12:59 AM EDT
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Not many people are familiar with the little known quarterback from South Central Louisiana State University. He lead his team, the Mud Dogs, to a bowl game and was the MVP of the Bourbon Bowl against their hated rivals, the University of Louisiana Cougars. The Jacksonville Jaguars picked up Luke McGowen last season before the regular season started.
McGowen ended the night making his Mud Dogs proud by finishing 11/15 with 244 yards passing with 3 touchdowns, all of which were greater than 30 yards, two greater than 50.
In the first drive, the Jaguars first unit ended in a quick three and out after three consecutive passes capped off by a short pass to tight end Marcedes Lewis well short of the first down marker. The next drive by the Jaguars starters ended just as fast on a 3rd down pass to Mike Sims-Walker that was punched away by cornerback Asante Samuel, who made a very nice defensive play. By the time the Jacksonville Jaguars first team offense got the ball back again, the Philadelphia Eagles had already began filling in with their second unit. The Jaguars picked up their first first down on a nice 16 yard pass in the middle of the field to Mike Thomas, but the Jaguars once again went nowhere on the drive, ending on a failed fourth down pass attempt. This failed fourth down though, came with consequence. Mike Sims-Walker leapt and stretched out for a David Garrard pass he seemed to pull in, but was crushed between two Eagle defenders when back up safety Kurt Coleman hit Sims-Walker and the ball came loose. That wasn't the bad news however, as Mike Sims-Walker sustained a shoulder injury and was seen with his arm in a sling on the sideline and after the game.
All indications so far thankfully, is that the injury is not serious.
I'm not going to pile on David Garrard too much after the first pre-season game, but it was not pretty. It was not pretty especially considering how Luke McGowen McCowen McCown was able to come in and effortlessly move the offense up and down the football field against some of the same back ups that David Garrard couldn't. As I mentioned, Garrard was without his two starting offensive tackles, but that didn't really seem to effect anything. He wasn't under that much duress, but seemed quick to dump the ball off to his running backs and tight ends while McCown came in the game guns blazing and hitting on a 73-yard touchdown bomb to Troy Williamson on his first pass attempt.
I've already seen some people compliment McCown on his performance, but note that David Garrard isn't in danger of losing his job. While I realize it is only the first pre-season game and we can't make too much out of it... but my question is this: Why shouldn't David Garrard be in danger of his job, especially if this continues?
As our own Adam Stites pointed out on twitter though,
1st game of the preseason in 2009: D. Garrard 4-7, 22 yards, 0 TD. 1st game of preseason 2010: D. Garrard 5-10, 35 yards, 0 TD #perspective
Apart from the surprising disparity in quarterback performance, my MVP of the game had to be defensive tackle Terrance Knighton. For all of the hooplah that was made about his weight during training camp, it didn't seem to effect him one bit. He was a constant force in disrupting the pocket. While the Jaguars were literally without half of their starting defensive line, I think at times they were able to get good pressure and move Kevin Kolb around in the pocket.
I'll have a full recap of who looked good and who looked bad tomorrow after I watch the game a second time, but these were just my immediate thoughts following the game.
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I start with MSW
I hope Jack is right; cause Jeff Lageman said twice during the postgame broadcast; he looked not okay to him; and he and Vito Stellino tweeted this
del rio and sims walker but said he will be OK but Sims-Walker seemed to be in pain in the locker room after the game.
I hope that the injury is not serious cause if so; David face even more critisism.
If I would be David; I would feel bad myself. Why? Because he promised better leadership, and better level of play; and he produced 2 3&outs; plus he is responsible for MSW’s injury….
I wrote this line I think 3 or 4 times since the game ended but I do it one more time:
Miami can’t come soon enough for David
McCown put together an almost perfect show; 244 yards 11/15 3 TD 154.9 QB rate- that is impressive; even you play againt the opponents 2nd team…
(The whole misery with his name on CBS47 shows; that professional football has still much room left to grow. )
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 14, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions
Nice article. I think the first game just has to be kept in perspective overall. Three of our best defensive players were absent. Both sides of the ball were extremely vanilla in their play calling and design. Also, little to no preparations were made for the opponent. I think the best things you get a look at in these games is individual matchups, for example, how did Derrick Harvey do against Winston Justice and so on. We get 3 more of these to “evaluate” all of these players, and it should be fun doing so, I think most people agree that it’s never as bad as it looks the first time, and never as good.
from jaguarsinsider's twitter:
Del Rio said @MikeSimsWalker got his shoulder jammed but he thinks he will be okay.
Yeah but as I mentioned
Lageman and Stellino have concerns about the shoulder; based on how MSW looked like in the locker room. I hope he has no serious problem though
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 14, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Lageman sounded very concerned on the postgame show. I am sure MSW won’t play again this preseason regardless.
by Fivus Viener on Aug 14, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah; that's worries me too...
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 14, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Garrard didn't have a good game
but he as sure as heck didn’t have a bad game. Look at the incompletions individually. 2 Drops by MSW and a throw away. Yeah he wasn’t under a lot of pressure, but that was because he was getting rid of the ball quickly. And he was getting rid of the ball quickly for good reason. If you’re missing your starting OT’s and the opposing team has a pro bowler and a 1st round pick rushing you, you’re not gonna test your protection by waiting for something deep. Check it down and live for another down. D’you guys see the pressure he did get when he waited for MSW to get open? The RT didn’t even move when the LDE was past him on the way to the QB.
I don’t think you could determine anything about our first team offense in that game, other than that Mike Thomas has good hands and he can get open. Starting to think he may lead the team in receptions by the end of the year, ahead of MJD and MSW. I also think we need to do more about our backup RB situation.
I’d hate to see what’s considered a “bad” game, then.
Simply classifying those as “drops” is pretty disingenuous, given what happened.
Alfie strikes again… even with sound and detailed breakdown of some plays, he STILL throws his petty argumentative stuff against Ewdtrey (and Ewd knows his shit better than most people on here)… and he wonders why quite a few people on this forum are tired of this sort of banter… (OK, Alfie, bring it on. Like I give a shit)
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I missed where he broke down the “drops”.
Be kind enough to show me, so I can stop being “petty”?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 14, 2010 2:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can read just fine, Alfie and you know I did not mention anything about him breaking down the “drops”. You’re trying to call me out on something that didn’t even occur. You enjoy being a smart ass and being argumentative with the people who frequent the site you’re supposed to be running. I seriously hope you find something else to do besides trying to be King of BCC. And telling someone that their comment(s) are disingenuous is rude and downright not necessary. I guess you think that folks won’t take the time to figure out what that means. But, I believe you feel that calling someone’s comments lacking in sincerity is the Kingly thing to do. You’re a sad “leader” who is in denial of his own shortcomings. Quit talking down to people. Take notice of others who have called you out on this same thing. Even two of your volunteer writers have said “Well, that’s Alfie”. And to me, that is unacceptable.
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You’re the one who called me out here, cuffs.
I simply said classifying them as just drops is disingenuous given what occurred during said “drops”. It wasn’t meant as an insult, and if Ewd took it as one I’m sure he can break it down and tell me why it’s not.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 14, 2010 2:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dude what on earth are you raging about? he didn’t insult anybody here chill out man
he was just saying you have to look at what happened with tha drops instead of just calling them drops
msw got killed trying t o catch a high pass, it wasnt really just a simple drop he dropped a bad throw and gut hurt man
come on
Let’s play nice people starting to sound like colt and titan fans on here (colt fans go at BBS all the time)
by jesusjagfan2009 on Aug 14, 2010 7:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The fact is
when Garrard is involved in a bad play, it’s his fault and you’re quick to call him out.
If the performance by MWS was put in by Troy Williamson, or one of our WRs from 2 years ago, you would’ve called him out for not catching the ball and not completing his route etc… but this year, everything in the passing game is DG’s fault.
I actually think you’re hoping for him to fail now just so you can be right. All that’s left to do now is for you to write a “There’s No reason for Concern” article praising Luke.
Well, if thats the way you’re taking it, you’re taking it wrong. I don’t hope for him to fail, that doesn’t make sense. You’re implying I want to sit through a miserable season just so I can say “I told you so!”
That’s ridiculous.
I’m honest in my opinion, you may not agree, but it makes no sense for me to hope he fails because that in turn would be hoping the Jaguars failed.
It’s as simple as this: If Garrard were better, he wouldn’t get near the criticism.
Garrard got the ball to his receiver
The ball hit the receivers’ hands. The ball hit the ground. = Drop
Point is, he’s not necessarily throwing absolutely perfect passes, but you still expect the ball caught. Granted the Eagles D did a good job making the passes hard to catch, that’s their job, but it’s the WR’s’ job to still make a play. What more was Garrard was supposed to do? Only his receivers touched the ball, that means he did his job.
We just have different definitions of drop then.
One I counted as a deflection, other was a really tough play. Ball hitting hands is a little too literal for me as a drop.
Too literal as in by definition?
Those were horrible drops by MSW last night. HORRIBLE. They need to X Ray his hands cause they were broke.
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Yes it’s too literal for me.
That’s fine for Ewd, it makes it easy and removes the subjectivity from it.
But to classify them as horrible drops? Come on man. One was batte out and the other was dropped as he got sandwiched between two defenders. It’s not like he just stone handed them.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 14, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Drop
All I know is that MSW had to go up way to high to catch that pass, resulting in him getting hit, losing the ball, and messing up his shoulder. If that had been Mike Thomas he would have been in more trouble and we would have seen an interception much like Indy last year…I don’t know, I am just tired of watching sailed balls…
If that were Thomas
he might not have thrown that pass. No use in getting to hypotheticals there. Fact of the matter is, I’ve seen, with a somewhat high frequency, receivers make catches on passes just like that. Don’t get me wrong, it was a hard catch to make, but receivers gotta make plays. Do I blame MSW for the drop? Maybe, maybe not; but I certainly don’t blame Garrard.
Garrard may have looked bad in that game, but I don’t believe he was bad. Just like I don’t believe McCown or Kolb were as good as they looked. Vick kind of looked how he played.
+1
Garrard threw the ball up to his best receiver and gave him a chance to make a play. That receiver didn’t make the play. You can’t make it every time, but blaming that on Garrard is crazy
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Tired of the sailed balls too...
inaccuracy is inexcusable at this point in the career… HOWEVER, he did get hit as he threw the ball and that was entirely outside of his control. Not like he was fully set up to make the throw.
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Not to mention on that play he went up for...
He was bobbling the ball before he got hit. We can all rattle off 10 or more WRs who wouldn’t have dropped that ball, let alone the other two that hit him in the hands.
I hope to GOD he’s not hurt that bad AND that he comes back and actually catches the ball because he’s a BIG part of the offense that we need to step up and be better this year, not listening to the ’he’s the #1’ hype.
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He got hit after he threw, which is why the pass sailed. He rushed it to brace for the hit.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 14, 2010 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did anyone else notice
that the stripes on the jersey this year are different. It just stood out to me and wasn’t really feeling it.
2010 http://www.nfl.com/photos/09000d5d819b6c7f#id:09000d5d819bbb0f
lol..........i noticed it, but only on McCown....
I thought he was just reallllllllllly skinny
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It looked different on different players. Kind of odd.
by Fivus Viener on Aug 14, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought garrad looked timid
on the pass that asante knocked out he stared at msw the whole time too
and whats up with throwing short of 1st down and hoping for yac???
by ghent on Aug 14, 2010 2:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think it was just part of the "game plan"
They knew going in that the Eagles have a really good pass rush that may have gotten better with Brandon Graham. Why would you want your starting QB sitting back in the pocket with a jumbled mess in the middle of the OL and 2 backups at OT?
Wait for the starting OT’s to come back then you can use your full allotment of play-calls on offense. Just look at Garrard’s drop-backs; almost all of them were 3 step drops. No roll outs. No hard playaction. Very little shotgun. Maybe two 5-step drops.
It’s not like Garrard is making his receivers run short routes. lol
I do agree that Garrard look somewhat timid. But look at how Brady and Brees started out on their first couple drives. Each had bad passes thrown yards away from their receivers and passes thrown behind their receivers.
Yeah, but Brees and Brady looked like Brees and Brady after their first drives.
It doesn’t make any sense to play that conservative with Garrard. Why even play him if your just going to make him look bad? Not to mention Del Rio didn’t seem happy after his performance.
Sounds too conspiracy too me man
by ghent on Aug 14, 2010 3:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Brees and Brady did pick it up and each of them made a(just one) throw that Garrard would not have likely have made. That’s what makes them the best in the league, and even beyond elite.
As for JDR: I don’t think he was happy about any part of the offense’s performance, not just Garrard’s. We couldn’t rush the ball. No receiver had any YAC. The OL couldn’t pass block outside, and they couldn’t run block inside. We couldn’t convert on third down.
And you have to play your starting QB. Things are sometimes going to require you to be conservative on offense. So it’s still a learning experience. There’s more to being a QB than throwing deep. And it’s not like Garrard didn’t do a little in explosive department. He completed an “explosive” (according to Koetter) play to Thomas and almost another one to MSW.
There was another play early where he would've had a sack if Larry Hart wasn't demolished
Hart was pushed inside and Kolb was able to roll left. Harvey beat the RT badly and was on his way.
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by Adam Stites on Aug 14, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
David Garrrad and overall impressions
I too am in the minority on this site who doesn’t think DG is the long term answer at QB for this franchise for a host of reasons. I actually thought we saw David being David though. Sure, he was a little rusty but I thought he had a typical DG performance. He had some nice passes mixed in with some horrible ones, especially his last 2 passes to INA. The first was in another zip code behind INA on a short dig, and the last one hung him out to dry and ended up putting INA in a sling.
Of more concern was the how the 1st teamers were simply outclassed by the Eagles on both sides of the ball. I thought they were a little more physical than us and they were certainly quicker / faster than we were. The only thing close was the scoreboard at 6-0 – but there was a 210 vs 10 yard (10 1st down vs 0) discrepancy between the units. This to me was the greatest area of concern. Now – in the ‘my scrubs are better than your scrubs’ part of the contest, our #2’s did very well and we lost the game with our #3’s. BIG DEAL and WHO CARES what the final score was however, the 1s vs 1s is the focus of these preseason games.
Bottom line of what we saw overall – this is a team that is currently missing a good portion of our young core players due to injury. Jeff Lagerman summed this up nicely on Wednesday’s show = we’re dinged up right now. We currently do not have the quality depth to make up the difference in these lost starters. We need another off seaoson or two to acquire this depth. Losing a player like D’Anthony doesn’t help that cause either.
That's the minority opinion???
I’m pretty sure everyone knows Garrard is not the long term answer at QB, the question has been who is the short term. Not many people trust McCown, the free agent QB market sucks and everyone is waiting till the 2011 draft.
BTW just a thought here, since the Eagles and Jags play in week 3 of the regular season maybe both teams wanted to stay basic to avoid advanced scouting in the regular season
OK - symantics - let me clarify
DG is NOT the answer at QB for this franchise – period. I completely agree that we’re stuck with him this season and probably next year also. BUT we go nowhere with DG – sorry, I wish it was otherwise. He has a legion of defenders on this site that seem to think that he’s awesome / really good, when in fact, he’s just plain ole mediocre due to his consistent inconsistency. Alfie gets creamed by some people for stating the obvious.
Yes – both teams were fairly plain warapper last evening – our 1s got outclassed by thier 1s on equal terms -—it’s a cause for some concern and shows that we still have a ways to go. This is tempered by the fact that several of our young core projected starters did not play due to knicks / injury.
3 Guys on the O-Line
WERE NOT #1’s.
Also, we were out their and EVERYONE knew we were passing the ball. There was never a thought that we’d come out and run the ball with MJD.
The fact that Garrard is not the answer at QB is becoming the majority opinion. It started to swing that way after the last drives in the games against Miami and Indianapolis when the team had a chance to make the playoffs.
I want everyone to imagine what it would have been like if last night’s game had happened in 2005 and Leftwich had a game that Garrard had and Garrard had a game that McCown had. The people in this town would be lighting up the vote calling for Byron’s head.
by Fivus Viener on Aug 14, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
QB
Where do you go from here in the short term? Cut Garrard, start McCown and hope you’re not picking in the top 5?
As for the preformance Britton, Monroe, Alualu, Lane, Kampman were all not starting. That plays into how poor the #1s looked. The cause for concern is that the #2’s seemingly did not hold up well against #1s.
Still there is a world of difference between the Eagles and the Jaguars. This is going to hopefully temper some expectations for the team and bring it down to reality?
Totally agree
We were all getting a little to excited for the season but we’re not there yet. And it’s not all DG’s fault. We have room to improve just about everywhere.
fuck you ogn
youve always been hostile to anything good
by harveyismyboy on Aug 14, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Aye been wonderin where Harvey has been lol
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just don't except mediocrity the way you do
nice to know the ‘brain trust’ has returned; and as eloquent as ever :-)
My $.02 from the couch and after 8 Stella Artois
The eye test told me that DG did not look comfortable at all, while McCown did. I don’t know all the plays that Koetter called but I assume he did not call dump offs only for DG and down and outs for McCown. I really hope DG has not gone into that “pucker” mode like David Carr and Tim Couch did where they are so shell shocked from all the accumulated hits that their internal clock speeds up the result of the play. Make sense? I saw the same thing with Carson Palmer in the Bengals vs. Jets game last year when there was absolutely zero confidence in his throws as if he was expecting Von Olhoffen to dive at his knee.
I hope it’s preseason rustiness, but that first string looked like they didn’t leave Cleveland.
by Joe Fisher on Aug 14, 2010 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I really think that might be it
Garrard might be broken
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by Adam Stites on Aug 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
At least we got....
….a bunch of rookie defensive linemen, who all got owned yesterday, and not just by Eagle starters.
i'd also like to point out....
….that Troy Williamson AND Tiquan Underwood caught the ball last night.
Dude that's a ridiculous statement
a bunch of rookie defensive linemen didn’t play last night. Only one did and that was Larry Hart. The third best of the rookie D Linemen. No Alualu, no Lane…
I noticed that nobody has been responding to your pot shots about not taking Vick and about the draft picks…
Get the hint yet? If not, here it is… stop trolling for arguments and banter and actually know what you’re talking about.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
Or....
….I can just post what I want. Whether you see it as negative or not. It’s an open forum, dude. Nobody posted because they prolly disagreed and didn’t see the need to. Get the hint yet? If you don’t like what I post, move on.
Sure thing Troll
Enjoy the silence and the posting to post. That’s a hell of a hobby you got there.
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u mad?
that i can think for myself instead of just agree with the popular thought? it’s a better hobby than crying because somebody disagrees with me.
You’re in the “keepin it real” crew and we’re all wearing teal colored underoos, right? So who were all these rookie defensive linemen you were talking about that got ‘owned’?
by Fivus Viener on Aug 14, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
what did you expect?
You’ve got guys playing against like sized guys with skill for the first time in 4 years. It’s preseason. Preseason is for them to develop technique. Notice Hart get chipped good last night? That’s what happens when you bullrush every down. I mean there ain’t no Mississippi Valley States on the offensive line in the NFL.
Here's what I'd like to see in game #2
RUN OUR OFFENSE!
If you don’t want MJD to get a lot of carries, and I agree with this, then put Jennings in their. But they should still run the Jaguars offense. The way it is in the pre-season every year lately is everyone in the building and watching on TV knows they’re going to drop back and try and get the passing game going. Therefore that’s what the defense is worried about.
Run the ball first. Then throw it as part of the game and get ready for the regular season. Then if we can’t run the ball, we can worry about the offensive line.
but that's not our offense...
….we’re not a run first team anymore. that’s what the media wants you to believe because nobody wants to do their homework on the jags. dirk is a balanced play caller that uses a lot of gimmicks. we’re not a power running, smash mouth team anymore. They wanna get the passing game going because they wanna see what works and what doesn’t. It’s just the first game of the preseason. It’s not too game plan intensive. They just wanna see what works, what doesn’t, and what they need to work on.
How many yards did MJD
have rushing last year ?
Don’t tell me where not a run first team.
And a balanced attack would consist of at least an attempt to run the ball. When there’s no threat of the run it’s a lot easier to play the pass.
Dude.....
It’s preseason for crying out loud. There is no game plan in the preseason and coaches are more concerned with evaluating than winning the game. As for DG, he did well. I agree the pitch to MSW was a little high but if I’m a coach that’s not gonna be enough for me to replace him. The people calling for him to be benched have the IQ of a gnat! Seriously people, let’s keep things in perspective. A lot of key pieces were missing on our O-line and in my opinion the protection wasn’t as great as some have indicated. DG had good stats last year (all things considered) and I know the coaching staff isn’t worried about his performance last night.
by richboy on Aug 14, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cut the crap everyone.
Let’s see both QBs play against the ones. I don’t want to see 3 and outs all season, balls sailing, wide open guys missed, and batted balls, weak comeback attempts etc. That shit gets old.
vs. Eagles week 3
I mentioned this earlier but since we play the Eagles again early in the season, this was pretty much a glorified scrimmage. No one really wanted to show their plans for the season to an early regular season opponent. Let’s see how the Jags play throughout the preseason and then rip on our team
Bottom line is DG has no real touch perception on his throws. He throws that same soft little throw no matter what. You got to no when to beam a pass in there and when to lob one. And thats what mccown did. His throws had different vilosities on them. Has nothing to do with 1st or 2nd string. And who here thanks DG would of hit both them bomb passes in perfect stride. Not possible. He hasnt did it yet in a game. Mccown has earned the right to have a go with the ones. Even after one preseason game. Thats exactly how DG beat out Leftwich and DG,s performance was never that good. Imagine MJD rushing yards if we can back safties up. Gene Smith and JDR arent blind folded and said they,ll play the best players, let this happen again next week, and DG will be chewing that gum even harder. sorry if i missed spelled any thing, im not an english teacher just a good ol boy who never ment any harm. lol go jags
This is funny because
there’s a post in another thread which says the exact opposite of McCown’s passes.
The one simple fact of the NFL is if a team isn’t winning, the most popular position on the team is the backup QB.
"While I realize it is only the first pre-season game and we can't make too much out of it... but my question is this: Why shouldn't David Garrard be in danger of his job, especially if this continues?"
If it does continue and he shows the same skill vs 1st stringers then ask Garrard to take a pay cut or actually cut him allowing McCown to start, but DO NOT give him a big pay day if he plays well this season. The only problem is that he becomes a free agent and will probably want that big pay day.
And to my point, on the 1st poss. on 3rd down mercedez was wide open from the jump and DG waited and waited then throws a floater to him and lewis was running outa of room and it gave the defender more time to close. He needs to beam that in there, so he can turn up field and have a shot at the 1st down. And i watched the game last night and mccown made all the right throws except the one to the rb over the middle that got tipped. He should of lobbed it and deji would still be running it was an all out blitze. And your right about the qb,s.
No QB can see all
receivers at the same time.
They have a progression of options to work through which is why you see wide open guys get missed all the time by every QB in the NFL. If the first read is open, you throw him the ball, if not you go to the 2nd guy etc… And since Marcedes was in the flat and short of the first down, I’m guessing he wasn’t the 1st read and the other guys were covered.
thats horrible qb play. you look at the short route 1st because u got more time to look at the longer route. unless all the route are bout the same. then your right you have your progression you practice on. on that play it wasnt like that. but none the less he needs to fire that pass in there he would of saved half a second, and thats 5 yards in the nfl.
by jagfan4life on Aug 14, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, that's not true
when the short route doesn’t get you a first down.
Plays are drawn up to open up the field for a particular receiver to be the first option. And on 3rd and long, that’s not going to be the short guy. He’s a last-resort and also used to keep the DB occupied short so you can hopefully get the ball in behind him.
i agree about the way plays are ran but on that 3rd down play its a 1st down if DG gets the ball quicker to lewis whether or not if he was the original target. The way we spread the ball around maybe we shouldnt have a designated target but on few plays quick hitters and things like that. all i know if i had to target a player it would be lewis he averaged 16 yrd per catch,so maybe its are coaching. just my opinion
He couldn't have gotten the ball
to him sooner because he was the second read. Humans are not computers. They need some time to go through progressions. It’s not like he held on to the ball for a long time. It was still pretty quick.
You right cant see every thing all the time. He,ll get another shot next week. ill b dir and want him to succeed i love the jags argue and fight for them against anyone who bad mouths them.
by jagfan4life on Aug 14, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not an ability thing
He CAN throw those passes. Why he doesn’t is the better question.
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by Adam Stites on Aug 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen a bomb play called in the regular season
He probably can throw those passes he just never gets the play called.
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when in his career has he thrown bombs down the field. i remember the one to lewis against new england in the playoffs 3 years ago, the one against miami two years ago somewhere around start of the season. in fact the most bombs in a game since DG has ran our team is when we played the saints and quinn gray was the starter. hell even reggie williams was cathing bombs. maybe they dont call those plays bc hell turn the ball over.
What?
He has great deep touch. He struggles at times intermediate range over the middle, but the short passing game and deep game are his strengths in general.
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When
when name a deep pass he has hit. he under throws or over throws always i cant thank of one pass last year that was completed longer than 40 yards in the air. your right over the middle pass is horrible. so he cant hit the long ball or over the middle , so that leaves???
From last year
Pre-season against Tampa Bay, long ball on the opening possession to Troy Williamson. Perfect in stride and beautiful.
Reg. season against St. Louis, hit Torry Holt on a 41 yard post corner on the sideline. Another great throw.
Reg. season against Miami, hit Torry Holt on a 63 yard bomb that would have been 70 plus had it not been Holt.
From 2008:
Reg. season against Denver: hit Troy Williamson on a 50 yard bomb that was called back by a Khalif Barnes hold.
Reg. season against Houston, at Houston. Hit Jerry Porter on a 40 something yard throw that would have been the longest of the year at the point. Called back for holding.
Reg. season against Green Bay. Hit Dennis Northcutt on a 41 yard post corner on the sideline.
From 2007:
Reg. season opener against Tennessee hit John Broussard on a 47 yard TD.
Reg. season against Steelers: 40 yard TD to Northcutt
From 2006:
Against Kansas City, at Kansas City. Garrard hit Matt Jones deep over the middle for 39 yards.
Against New York Giants: Matt Jones for 49 yards
I love when casual fans such as yourself demand deep throws and big plays. Throughout David’s career here he hasn’t had any deep threat other than Jimmy Smith, whom he never got to play with. His offensive line has never been great pass blocking, and with the exception of 2007 and parts of 2006 has been horrible at pass blocking. His receivers have been tall possession receivers and small journeymen. He has never had an Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, Chris Chambers, Roddy White, Devery Henderson, Vincent Jackson, Santonio Holmes, Chad Johnson or Terrell Owens.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
Honestly
I don’t think Garrard is a great deep pass thrower. He tends to struggle with the longer fades.
I wish
Dirk would call more fades so I could see him throw them. He had a few nice ones last year though, like the one to MSW against KC.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
What about that back of the end-zone TD to Nate Hughes in full stride last year?
by Conservative on Aug 15, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I didn’t name every one, just the ones i remembered off the top off my head and then looked up the yardage online. You’re right though, that was another really nice one. He dropped it down in between a cover three look in the back.
If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik
In the air not 20yrds and reciever does rest
he cant throw the deep ball. he can throw it 60 yrds just not where it matters. on point in stride. so you telling me when he launches a deep ball in the air your confident its going to be a completion. hell no your not. an when its completed your prob like the rest of us saying i cant believe he did that plain n simple he needs at least one pass completed 40 yrds in the air every game itll back up the safeties. i agree he hasnt had the best recievers and the fact we can remember almost everyone of em even more makes my case
Come on
the list of QB’s who’ve completed bombs in the pre-season and never amounted to anything is a long one.
Just from the Jaguars Brunell had a half-dozen guys over the years who’d come in and look great in the pre-season and never be heard from again.
nate hughes let him down on two tds last year against zona. but when i say bomb im talking about what mccown was throwing 50 yards in the air.not 25 ova the middle and reciever does the rest. throwing true bombs keeps the safeties back uped whether there completed or not. and teams dont respect our deep passing attack. id throw 4 or 5 a game just to keep em honest. i know you risk ints but so do you when every thang is thrown short all the time. go jags i have hi hopes
rest my case. you named 10 times in his career he hit a deep pass half were negated for some reson or another.7 of them were just at 40 yards and prob were like 30 with sum yac involved. and out of all you named 2 were touchdown. would be more touchdowns if the reciever didnt have to slow down or come back to the ball . and the broussard catch was a diving espn highlight or woulda been over thrown you call that a good deep thrower. and yes i demand a passing game like saints and indy because if we gona throw 3 yard passes might as well give it to MJD cause he can break takles.
my thang is when quinn gray started against the saints when DG was heart he throw for like 400 yrds. straight bombing it out with the same recievers dg had. now luke was throwing bombs all ova the field with the same recievers. I want DG to succeed cuz hes a good game manger but when the guys are open hes gota deliver on money. That torry holt bomb was a little to far had em stubbling once he caught it got tackled than we settled for a field goal. that why they got to be on the money. And i like your jag knowledge from true CASUAL fan like myself lol
troy williamson runs by everyone during preseason, makes a team, gets paid, then vacates duing regular season. hope its differnent this year
You mean tears his labrum in game 2 and goes on IR..?
by Alfie Crow on Aug 14, 2010 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just had a thought
Why isn’t anyone calling for Troy Williamson and John Matthews to be our starting WR’s ?
Oh yeah, it’s because they were catching balls against the 2nd and 3rd string defense.
And a quote from JDR "… In fairness to David, we gave more vertical looks to Luke than we did to David."
Because we know 11 and 80 are better.
Garrard had a series against the two’s as well.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 14, 2010 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes thats what scared me, garrard should not light it up, he should basically have a 7on7 when playing backups….yes 11 and 80 are the best recievers but i think they warned them not to kill themselves on the 1st game, however i think they over vanillaed with garrard (not giving away anything special play wise), but his game IQ ahould allow him to check down and make his reads easier…and he didnt take a sack nor any major hits but the result was almost a hyperactive throwing arm (going too quick)……will this develop into something bad for garrard?
Waber-Jaguar
To quote FBT:
If I were a juror, and that was the defense, I’m thinking you’d be scrambling for an appeal strategy.
“I don’t think anyone is expecting them to open up the playbook for the preseason to any great extent. That means the “vanilla” we saw with Garrard was the same “vanilla” we saw with McCown and Harris. The only thing changing in that dynamic was the personnel package on the field working with the same basic cook book.
One chef toasted some bread and the other guy put on a buffet.
To be honest, I don’t think Koetter trusts G."
Actually
There’s a quote from JDR on Jaguars.com that says that they gave McCown more deep opportunities.
DG threw one semi deep pass our reciever killed, and why not open up the play book theres like 300 plus plays im sure someone ran deep on 1 of them. hes not a good deep ball thrower.
Here's the quote
“… In fairness to David, we gave more vertical looks to Luke than we did to David."
But you can still believe what you want to believe.
there might be something to that! this is the 1stt year koetter has freedom and garrard looks almost solidly mediocre instead of the halfandhalf he usually has
Waber-Jaguar
It’s fine
Why risk MJD blowing out his knee in the preseason?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 14, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, a lot of anger on here for just a preseason game
A couple things I took away from this game:
1. Garrard looked like Garrard, neither great nor terrible, although he should have been able to get a few first downs.
2. McCown looked impressive, but it’s just one game.
3. It’ll be hard to get rid of Williamson if he keeps making longs TDs like that.
4. Hard evaluate the defense with a few key people out, but I wasn’t impressed with the secondary or the pass rush for the most part.
5. Special teams were excellent in every phase, and the return game should be exciting.
6. I agree with Alfie, Knighton was unblockable, no reason other players can’t take advantage.
7. NO NEED TO GET UPSET AT EACH OTHER ARGUING OVER GARRARD’S PERFORMANCE IN A PRESEASON GAME!!!
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
one thang wrong with special teams. scobee kept kicking off and the ball would only go to the 15 or 20 yard line thank god for good special team coverage or there average field pos. would of been at least 40 yard line
I don't remember it
that way. Maybe he did once or twice. But my memory could be failing me a little regarding the kickoffs.
One more thing.....
CBS47’s broadcast of the game was completely unprofessional. Absolutely no excuse for the kinds of mistakes they made, and the announcing was terrible also.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
by JagsAlex87 on Aug 14, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d , CBS 47 was beyond terrible last night
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 14, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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