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Jaguars vs Eagles: Winners and Losers

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While the Jaguars have been in training camp for three weeks and been practicing in pads for almost two weeks, nothing compares to live game action. Last night was the first real chance for many to show why they deserved to be on the 53 man roster. While there were plenty of simply "OK" or "Meh" performances, there were others who took their opportunity and ran with it. For others, they better hope their performance vs the Dolphins will be much improved.

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Winners

Deji Karim, KR

Deji was one of the main highlights of the night for the Jags. It's clear he has a rare combination of speed and size that you can't find in many places. Along with KR/PR Scotty McGee, it looks like the Jags offense will have good position to start many of their drives.

Terrance Knighton and Derrick Harvey, DL

Knighton put all of the concerns with his weight to rest last night as he was the Jags most dominant defensive player. Derrick Harvey made one of the first big plays for the Jags, by sacking and stripping Eagles QB Mike Vick. It will be fun to watch the defensive line once Alualu and Kampman are inserted into the line up.

Reggie Nelson, S

Nelson has gotten alot of criticism over the years, but he has come on recently. He made plenty of great tackles that would've resulted in big plays for the opposing offense last year. Let's keep it up Reggie.

Luke "Skywalker" McGowen McCowen McCown, QB

Yes, it is just one game, but what a game it was. His performance has already been discussed ad naseum, so he just gets a token mention here.

Losers

Mike Sims-Walker, WR

Granted, I think Garrard laid MSW out to dry on the pass, but the fact remains Mike earned the nickname "I Need A" Walker for a reason. Hopefully the Jaguars staff isn't blowing smoke up our butts about his shoulder not being a serious thing. Outside of Jones-Drew, Sims-Walker is probably the offensive player the Jaguars can least afford to lose.

Don Carey and Derek Cox, CB

Cox was shook by Riley Cooper for a big gain that was just painful to watch. As for Don Carey, why the Jaguars are high on him I'm still not quite sure. He's certainly not going to challenge for a starting spot.

Julius Williams, DE

Williams was fairly ineffective for the RE spot, except for getting called for a Roughing the Passer penalty. He could've been called for one or two more as well.

Trevor Harris, QB

Harris is a BCC favorite, but he didn't look very good at all. Part of it has to be chalked up to jitters, but he was going up against the Eagles 3rd teamers for the most part. As with all of the other players in this category, let's hope he finds a way to redeem himself vs Miami.

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Who was the biggest winner Friday night?
Deji Karim/Scotty McGee
162 votes
Terrance Knighton
77 votes
Reggie Nelson
27 votes
Luke McCown
291 votes
Other
13 votes

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McCown in a Reagan ’84 landslide.

by Fivus Viener on Aug 14, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

We can go on for days on how McCown was playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers.

But the facts remain that his throws were quick, accurate, and on time. Not to mention the fact that McCown did not get his balls batted down which seems to be a big problem with David Garrard. I am a supporter of DG but I couldn’t help but think that as soon as he and the 1s come out it would be the typical 3 and out.

David sailing that pass to MSW is a cause for concern, he puts our WRs in dangerous positions. I think McCown would have got it there without leaving MSW high and dry. Secondly, I am not sure its play design or what but on 3rd and 8 the best you can do is throw a 5 yard pass to Marcedes in the face of 2 defenders? Thirdly, David had would should have been an easy 4th and 3. He can run, and he has a solid arm so it just looked embarassing with him being unable to command his team and get us the 1st down.

I’m not in panic mode, but I am seriously not comfortable with DG. I’d like to see McCown play with the ones at least one or two series.

by Slvrgun on Aug 14, 2010 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's the ....

Preseason folks. No need to panic! MJD carried the ball twice for no yards. Do we replace him too? My point is DG is fine! None of the coaches are getting their panties in a bunch over the QB performance. DG is the starter and that’s not gonna change.

by richboy on Aug 14, 2010 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The thing is.

MJD, has proven that he is reliable.

Garrard had one great season, and even now people still refer to it after it has been 3 years going on 4 years. Garrard is not reliable. I’ll never forget him overthrowing Mike Thomas for what would have been the game winning TD against the Colts.

by Slvrgun on Aug 14, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Watch the replay on NFL Network at 1pm

and tell me what you think of MSW’s play. Seriously.

Garrard is more proven then he is and I don’t hear anyone calling him out.

by pksiv on Aug 14, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

David G.

Didn’t sail that pass to MSW. If you watch the play it is clear that he is throwing the ball up to his best receiver on fourth down, trying to let the receiver make a play. As a receiver, you are going to get hit jump ball situations like that. Garrard slightly struggled in his drives last night, but he didn’t do poorly… he had several passes dropped and the two backup tackles didn’t keep Trent Cole and Brandon Graham off of him.

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by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

another observation

Look at McCown’s throws. I watched the replay last night and hi def reveals ALOT. He does not throw a heavy ball, not many rotations. Point is, Samuel or any other top level DB would have gotten to them as they had a lot of air to them.

For my money, I thought Pot Roast had a hell of a game. He was the one D lineman who was a proven commodity from 2009 and he was a constant disrupter last night. This considering the mild controversy over his weight. He can be a Sean Gilbert type minus the attitude.

On the other team, Vick reminds me of a Boston Celtics style Pistol Pete Maravich, where Pete showed some flash but the years of hard living caught up with him big time by that point. He’ll make a few great plays then make a stupid inexcuseable play. I think prison aged him 5 years.

by Joe Fisher on Aug 14, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I am worried there might be something to the whole shellshocked DG, but for a starter it was alright performance in the 1st PS game.

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by jawsaints on Aug 14, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I give it to Deji.........

Terrance was dominant as well, but we all knew he could play. Luke had a nice night, but I would love to see him play against a starting defense. I think he would do well, but I could be wrong……..

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by FRANKdubz on Aug 14, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I still want to see one proven vetaran WR, from FA/trade

It’s all nice with MSW, and Troy steping up… but we need someone to do it every game.

Luke needs to keep playing at this level, another strong game, and by the end of PS he could go to no.1.

by Nikola R on Aug 14, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

as I wasn’t impressed by MSW at all. Seriously watch the replay and tell me what he did to have been anointed the #1 WR on the team.

by pksiv on Aug 14, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding Mrs. Garrard?

by Fivus Viener on Aug 14, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not at all.

Can you honestly say that he played like a #1 receiver last night ?

by pksiv on Aug 14, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it,

but I think you’re right. He looked alright, but that’s not good enough for the presumed No. 1.

by Kbot on Aug 15, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see special teams as an option

Rewatch the game and check out the advantage we had on special teams play. This will win us at least one game. Kick returns were first class, punt coverage was fantastic, and kick returns were handled without being gashed. Podlesh played better than the scrimmage, but left room for improvement. Our special teams are gonna be sick.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!

by DownTownJax on Aug 14, 2010 10:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

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by FRANKdubz on Aug 14, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our special teams is going to be something special this year.

by Kbot on Aug 15, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reggie

was playing like he wanted a job and doing a good job at it too. I hope he not only makes the roster. If he can get back to a good player, i don’t have any concerns about our defense(barring injuries) this year. If he can’t and Anthony Smith or Considine are starting….

by rws591 on Aug 14, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm working an article on this...

and I hope folks can rewatch this game.

1. The 2 “drops” by MSW were no his fault. On the third down play Asante had the coverage and the ball was to the inside which made it an easy play for the DB. The 4th down throw had him extended so he got hit from the inside and stripped from the outside. Were they DG’s fault? Maybe the 3rd down throw.

2. I don’t care if it is preseason game 1. Slvrgun nailed it. Luke, at least, looked poised and threw the ball where his receivers could get it. A complaint against DG has been his deep ball. Bottom line is that they weren’t under or overthrown. The WRs never broke stride. This could turn out to be the same QB issue we saw four years ago.

3. Backup RB is a total open position.

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by Brian Fullford on Aug 14, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

All I can say is

if those same plays happened 2 years ago and the receiver was Reggie Williams everyone on hear would be blasting Williams, not Garrard. We see what we want to see.

And to be clear, I’m not delusional. I don’t think Garrard is, was, or will ever be, an Elite QB. But I do think that give decent protection and a better WR’s he can be a very good QB. Hopefully, since he is getting older, he’ll have both of those things sometime before he retires.

by pksiv on Aug 14, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how...

you can make the claim that we’d be blasting Williams and not Garrard. Some might have but you can’t make the case I would have. This isn’t a matter of seeing what we want to see. The game tape doesn’t lie. Good play by Samuel, bad pass by Garrard.

What we see with Garrard is limited, if any, progress from what we’ve been seeing for the past 3 years. Look at his performance in preseason games. It isn’t as if we’re seeing 4 games of him working with the offense so when the regular season rolls around he is lighting it up. There is no progress. I’m withholding absolute judgment, as I did 4 years ago with Byron, until after the 3rd game but the simple ability to make the play warrants the question as to whether Luke deserves a shot with the ones.

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by Brian Fullford on Aug 14, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

The

Play by Samuel was a great corner making a great play. Defensive guys make plays sometimes too you know. If a defensive back makes a play on a receiver who had the ball originally hit him just under the numbers, its not a bad throw by the QB.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
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by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first play was a great play by Asante Samuel.

The second, however, was David leaving a receiver out to dry, like he’s done quite a lot before hand.

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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 14, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Asante played MSW very well but there should have been other options open.

And I am not talking about MJD. Did David lock on to him again? I can understand threading the needle but from the look of it David just isn’t accurate at all. That ball look like it was an alley oop.

I don’t want to see alley oops in football.

Has David reverted back to bad mechanics?

by Slvrgun on Aug 14, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just

Letting his receiver make a play. MSW had it in his hands, but it was jarred lose after contact.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it was a regular season game, I'd probably agree

But preseason is not the time to be putting your best receiver up in the air, in traffic.

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by Adam Stites on Aug 14, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Can someone watch the tape again? Did DG lock on to MSW?

by Slvrgun on Aug 14, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably the play call

And QBs should be able to lock on to their number 1 receivers on fourth down/critical situations.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then

Why even play pre-season games? You still gotta play the game to win, even though its pre-season.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah funny

If the team decides to go for it on fourth down, they may have to take a risk getting a player hit in a collision sport.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats why we ran him against Tennesee last year 20 times! no i see the truth of not overdoing the top RB in PS, but i just wanted to say that duel between CJ and MJD burns a bit because 8 carries! i bet you we win or at least have one score loss if MJD has 16 carries

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by jawsaints on Aug 14, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just dont know what to day about DG.

Time will tell, but how much time do we need to see him get his act together. Kolb sure didnt need much more than a quarter. I do want to see more from DG in the next preseason game, but I would in fact like to see McCown have a few reps with the first team.
I dont know when we will be playing our entire starting lineup on offense and defense but it would be more telling of what is to come once we do see it.
Deji is showing everybody that he may in fact be someone very special in this league.

by indianajagfan on Aug 14, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Only 3 and 1/2 quarters?

By the time he’s warmed up, the game is over

You can't reason with unreasonable people.

by JagsAlex87 on Aug 14, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garrard doesn’t exactly shine in the fourth quarter usually.

by Fivus Viener on Aug 14, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah

I mean he sucked against the Jets in the fourth last year…

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, he did suck in the fourth quarter overall in that game. They didnt have a first down until the final drive.

by Fivus Viener on Aug 14, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something

That stood out to me is that Don Carey isn’t quick enough to play man coverage. And Derek Cox got beaten like a drum in the first half.

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

I would have expected him to make up for his lack of speed with playing smart, but that doesn’t seem to be the case despite his documented intelligence.

by Kbot on Aug 15, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nelson as winner????

I think he once again showed without Mathis he is almost worthless…

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 14, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

he is perfectly fine though balanced with an experienced safety

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by jawsaints on Aug 14, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He made several nice plays, and broke up a pass to a guy who beat Mathis

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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 14, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty Sure

Mathis wasn’t beat there. He played underneath knowing he had Reggie over the top

If hip hop is dead, then it happened the day that Dilla died.
-Akrobatik

by Bestjagfan on Aug 14, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's very unfair

He missed one tackle. Other than that he played very well. Shall we call Anthony Smith, Derek Cox and basically the rest of the team worthless as well?

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by Adam Stites on Aug 14, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, we should cut them all, sign all UD rookies, go 0-16 but have entirely random offenses each game and really have some fun!

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by jawsaints on Aug 14, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn! sign me up for 3,000 season tickets if you do that, jawsaints! hehe

Sean

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by cuffs007 on Aug 14, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you! the jaguars would have no salary cap issues at all….and we can have a punter who throws the ball instead of kicking it! (like in middle school)

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by jawsaints on Aug 14, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and anything you want as the fan for the offense to play, just tell them!

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by jawsaints on Aug 14, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i still want nekkid cheerleaders

Sean

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by cuffs007 on Aug 14, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reggie

Reggie played a great game.

Love Life and pursue happiness.

by Dale Jovan Rodriguez on Aug 15, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

or you adult only sections with free beer, cigarettes and yes nekkid cheerleadders

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by jawsaints on Aug 15, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knighton

We all knew what he could bring.

I think that Karim and McGee really showed their worth on Friday. I’m with you on Don Carey…I just don’t see it.

by acedarney on Aug 14, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

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