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Jacksonville Jaguars: How much depth is too much depth?

One of the big areas of concern and biggest battles in training camp revolves around the interior of the offensive line. There is a 3-way battle for one position, as it seems like Uche Nwaneri and Brad Meester have solidified their positions at guard and center.

So, what happens when someone wins?

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As it stands currently, the first team offensive line looks like this:

E. Monroe - K. Forney - B. Meester - U. Nwaneri - E. Britton

It's very, very possible it stays that way going into the regular season if Kynan Forney doesn't falter down the stretch. Ideally the Jacksonville Jaguars would like guard Vince Manuwai to return to his dominating form and beat out Forney for the other guard position, but it hasn't happened yet. This reason, leads many to speculate that Manuwai might be on his way out the door given his salary, which is approximately $3 million for the season.

While that is a good chunk of change to pay a back up offensive lineman, I feel it's a cost the Jaguars need to eat.

Earlier in the off-season I felt that Brad Meester might find his way off of the roster if certain factors were met, based on some information from a couple of my sources. Those factors were not met, and it's highly unlikely Brad Meester is released, nor should he be at this point. Meester has had a nice camp. Some of the factors included how certain reserve lineman such as John Estes (pictured, and who recently suffered a knee injury) looked in camp, how certain guards played, and how Uche Nwaneri performed.

One of those factors however, was offensive guard Justin Smiley, who the Jacksonville Jaguars acquired in a trade from the Miami Dolphins earlier in the off-season.

Smiley was traded for a conditional draft pick, and one of the conditions has to do with making the football team. One of the reasons I feel the Jaguars need to eat the cost of Vince Manuwai, even if he winds up being a back up, is that the risk of the interior line depth becomes too great. If Manuwai is released, the primary back up guard becomes Justin Smiley. When healthy, Justin Smiley is a very good football player and this wouldn't be an issue.

When healthy however, is the problem.

Prior to the trade, the Miami Dolphins would not allow Justin Smiley to even work out with the team in fears he might injure himself. Bear in mind, Smiley has not played a full NFL season since 2006. While Justin Smiley did take a $5 million pay cut when he was traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars, there are still concerns about his health. There hasn't been a practice that I've been to that Smiley has not had something iced either during or immediately after practice, most noticeably his shoulder. He's also missed quite a few practices all together.

This brings up a very serious issue with the idea of Vince Manuwai potentially being released.

The Jacksonville Jaguars are gambling on Justin Smiley, a player with an injury history and who still isn't fully healthy, being the primary back up at guard.

Lest we forget about the 2008 season, when the interior of the Jacksonville Jaguars offensive line was ripped to shreds and starting just about anyone they could find to start for them. Smiley, while taking an overall $5 million pay cut, only had his salary reduced to $2.5 million this season which is only $500,000 less than what Vince Manuwai is due.

The trade for Justin Smiley was a very smart calculated risk by general manager Gene Smith, but I'm not so sure he's willing to take this much of a potential injury and depth risk in releasing Vince Manuai. Manuwai hasn't been poor in training camp and the pre-season, he just hasn't been the Vince Manuwai we've come to know, one of the most dominant run blockers in the NFL.

If Manuwai is released, he will most certainly be picked up rather quickly by another team. Releasing him and relying on a player with an injury history, unproven young guards, or converted young offensive tackles in a season as important as this one however, is too much of a risk to take.

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I keep saying this

Keep Manuwai and Smiley along with Meester; Forney; And Uche.
Money could be not an issue; and we saw 2008 that you can’t have enough O-lineman in 1 game.

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 19, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great article

Really good points. I think you’re dead on with the Manuwai vs. Smiley argument and that it all comes down to the numbers game with the roster.

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by BIBBEE on Aug 19, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

Keeping 5 interior linemen is not unreasonable. With the Estes injury, that could definitely open up the spot to keep both players.

by acedarney on Aug 20, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Next year I say trade him for a draft pick, and
Round 1: QB
Round 2: Guard

by rhettchrystal on Aug 19, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Or center....

But Gene will do it in a way we not even plan it.

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by Zoltan from Budapest on Aug 19, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, right?

Gene’s gonna draft a WR in the first, LB in the second, the Center in the third round, grab a no name QB from Who Knows Where College in the fourth and they’ll all be here for 16 years if they don’t get hurt.

I don’t even try anymore. Ride the wave!

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by BIBBEE on Aug 20, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remeber

He had a chance to pick up a center in this year’s draft (guy from BC), but traded that pick away for Kirk Morrison.

by acedarney on Aug 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

No guarantee that guy

would’ve been better than anyone we already have.

I remember the Colts drafting 3 Centers a few years ago and 95 year old Jeff Saturday is still their Center.

by pksiv on Aug 20, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should

stick with the starting lineup as it “is”(assuming the OT’s were healthy): Monroe, Forney, Meester, Uche, Eben

Meester makes the whole line go. He’s gonna help Garrard with the protections. He’s not a great run blocker anymore, but he’s smart and he is still agile.

Uche is young, strong, and athletic. Best of all, Uche is improving in every facet of his game. He’s also got the most versatility of any of the interior guys.

Forney may be closer to the end of his career than the beginning, but he’s playing with lost of fervor. He’s also very smart and he understands what it takes to win. He can run block, but I think he will best served as a smart pass blocker.

Vince IMO, was never as good as people made him out to be. Yes he handled Albert Haynesworth back in the day one on one. But name one DT in our division that is as big and strong as Albert was.(Look below for a list of all the best NT’s/DT’s for each team we will face.) We just need something reliable and steady. Most all the DT’s nowadays are around 300 lbs anyhow. Keep in mind, he’s not a great pass blocker, he has weight issues from time to time, he’s had an injury issue, and he’s got the most expensive price of any of the guards. I’ve also noticed that he wears down during games.

Smiley is the guy that if healthy could FIT best at LG. As it is however, if you’re looking for depth he’s not the guy you really want. He’s not reliable. He’s great as LG, but he’s not what I consider a great RG.

In the end I think we ask Vince to take a slight paycut, and then cut our losses with Smiley.

by Ewdtrey on Aug 19, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

DT/NT list

Jamal Wliiams coming off of a torn tricep at 34 years of age DEN
Garay or maybe even Ogemdi Nwagbuo whom they picked up off the street. I think he was working at a rental car joint. SD
Richard Seymour OAK An old tweener
Ron Edwards a 31 year old that’s done nothing of note KC
Amobi Akoye A bust for all intents and purposes HOU
The Colts don’t have ANYONE to worry about
Tony Brown is good player but he doesn’t with raw power at 290 lbs TEN
Kyle Williams isn’t even a true NT BUF
Jay Ratliff is a monster but even he isn’t a huge player at about 300 lbs DAL
Barry Coefield was a good player, but he might be over the hill with his injuries(Microfracture) NYG
Mike Patterson and Brodrick Bunkley are good players but neither are huge and their DT position seemed rather tame in our preseason game PHI
Maake is a guy trying to make the switch from a 43 to a 34 after having a major injury to his knee Albert is on the team but he’s not his old self and he’s probably going to be a End anyhow
Shaun Rodgers is a monster…when he wants to be. Really it doesn’t matter who’s across from him. All that matters is how he is playing. CLE
Yeah there a few good players in there. But what we need from the interior is consistency and reliability.

by Ewdtrey on Aug 19, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Really good points

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by Bestjagfan on Aug 20, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your tone indicates

that you don’t think we need a dominant blocker in the interior. What team wouldn’t want a dominant blocker? We’re stuck with what we have, so they have to keep the best 5 or so guys this year. Consistency is good and all, but if you’re consistently average, it’s time to find a replacement.

by acedarney on Aug 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's the goal

But it’s weighed against what do you upgrade at what time, because you can’t do everything at once. Sure it’d be great to have Steve Hutchinson caliber guys at five positions, buuuuuuut how do you go about getting them at the right time, at the right cost and at the right fit for the team chemistry.

I agree with you though, of course you want better than mediocre, you want dominance. How do we get that from the unit’s play with where we’re at vs. where we’re going?

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by BIBBEE on Aug 20, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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