Jaguars vs Dolphins Initial Impressions
by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 22, 2010 12:17 AM EDT
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PrintAfter a nearly two hour rain delay, the Jaguars had their annual preseason duel with the Miami Dolphins. Following a performance vs Philadelphia that caused many fans to be concerned, this game only managed to cause even more. Some initial reactions
1. Jack Del Rio is still going to invoke fan's inner Captain Picard
Coach Del Rio has been known for his less than stellar challenge history, and tonight was no exception. He threw the challenge flag after Scotty McGee clearly fumbled the football in the first quarter. It will be nice to know the Jags will be giving up a timeout a game this season. Also, if there was ever a time to go for two, the last TD was the perfect time.
2. Deji Karim is for real
Seriously, if you haven't realized that, you're living under a rock. He continued to perform at a high level this evening on kick off duties. If he can consistently get the offense past their own 30 on kickoffs in the regular season, he'll be a folk hero.
3. There is no QB controvery
David Garrard was challenged, and in typical David fashion he made some brilliant and some facepalm plays. However, Luke "Skywalker" McCown didn't do much directing the second team offense. It's clear the Jags have 2 QBs who on any given night will play at any end of the spectrum
4. Even with Alualu and Kampman, the defensive line still got handled
After an initial series that was a fan's wet dream, the defensive line went into 2009 mode. Although some pressure did come, it wasn't enough to keep the Dolphins from completing several long passes.
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they didnt go for two
because no one wants to go into overtime in the preseason. its like an unwritten rule
Concur
Who would want to sit thru OT on a night like this anyhow? (If the 2 point conversion was good).
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
Fair enough, but how about the challenge call?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 22, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i have no idea on that......
i was sitting in the north endzone and saw clear as day he fumbled
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My thought from the couch
was that he was challenging possession, ie. Wilford had the ball was in control and it was stripped after he was down.
Those rooks are quick as lightning, but they’ve got to hold on to the ball. These are big boy hits they’re taking from the gunners.
totally agree
All I can think is the 2008 Detroit Lions. 4-0 preseason, 0-16 regular season.
I think by that stage of the game Del Rio and Sparano saw all they needed to see and it was after midnight anyway in a meaningless game.
It is what it is, but to me this is proof enough that a) preseason needs to go down to 2 games and perhaps a home and away scrimmage, such as Atlanta/Jacksonville this year in ATL next year in Jax; or NOLA/Hou in Houston this year, NOLA next and b) that the NFL needs to lift the blackout rules on preseason football. It meant something back in the day before the dollars became what they are; now, the players make so much that they stay in shape year round because they don’t have to work an off season job.
Did Kampman and Alualu even play after the first series? I was at work and missed athe drive after the fumble but I didn’t think I saw them after the first dolphins drive.
They both played about 10-12 snaps.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 22, 2010 1:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was there first piece of action so
maybe next game they will find their rythme. (Alualu and AK I mean). I didnt get to watch the game because it wasnt televised in Washington (no surprise) so I didnt get to see who did what. Did Nelson finally get in? What was up with the O line? MJD 4 carries for 2 yds? From what I can tell, theres not too much to be happy about except for the WRs and the kick returns. Feel me in fellas.
Who are you....
what unit are you with out of lewis?…..my self attached to triple nickel…..with 5-5 ada, curently were still down range though.
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questioning if
cox was worth a second? seemed to be out of position and not tackling very well.
by Slawsc on Aug 22, 2010 12:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
w mathias out
he definately didn’t do anything to say that he was our best cb on the field imo
by Slawsc on Aug 22, 2010 12:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did lead the team in picks last year.
Though, according to PFF, Cox was the most targeted corner in the NFL last year. Interesting
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 22, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And
John Henderson lead the team in sacks last year….. I think cox needs to mentally step up. Seems like he is hesitating a step this week and last in Philly.
by Slawsc on Aug 22, 2010 1:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mathis was out with a hip flexer.
Cox was put on Marshall and Bess. Both beat him to a pulp. He has some skills but is far from being a teams number one CB. He cant cover a teams #1 at all. He gives a five yard cushion and lacks the explosion out of his hips to recover.
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Why is it that our 2nd and 3rd teams
can beat Philly and Miamis 2nd and 3rd but our 1st team gets wuped so bady? Maybe we should start the 2nd string. lol
1st team didnt get wuped badly
It was the 2nd team that played poor. Miamis starteres played against the jaguars half starters half second teamers and dominated on defense at leasst.
Btw, Eben Britton to return to starting lineup next game
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 22, 2010 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
the interior line looked like garbage.....
I saw Uche f***in up all night
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not all night, but while he was in
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I think McCown getting ran the F over
pretty much officially ended the Uche for Center conversation. He brought back memories of old school Dan Patrick on SportsCenter.. The Whif
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
That whiff wasn’t on Uche. That wasn’t his man. It looked bad bc he tried to rectify it.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He literally ran right by him
And if it wasn’t his guy, as a Center he should be pointing out and making sure the guy coming over right in front of him is covered. Uche didn’t get his hands on anybody that play, let alone block anybody, so who’s guy was it? I think as the Center, that was on him.
Did I see it wrong? Was the Right Guard supposed to slant left and Uche tried to turn around and save him to no avail? (asking this time, no sarcasm)
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
They didn't try to run all that much at all
but the line was pretty much controlled by Miami on running plays. We had pretty great pass protection, but no lanes open to run in between the tackles what so ever.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
I think Cutrera made his case to make the final 53 as well
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I am still
Scratching my head on the pf roughing the passer. WTF is he supposed to do. NFL is ruining the game. It was a clean physical hit.
by Slawsc on Aug 22, 2010 1:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah that was super gay............
I wanted to throw my beer at the ref
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It was because he hit Thigpen in the head.
by Alfie Crow on Aug 22, 2010 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thigpen was falling
He fell into the hit.
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by Brian Fullford on Aug 22, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Counter arguments
1 – overtime in the preseason is not worth it, it is a glorified scrimmage. The challenge was dumb, he obviously fumbled the ball yet it seemed to slow the game down to take the momentum away from the phins’.
2 – 3. completely agree.
4.I want to watch them play 4 quarters before I declare our d-line as bad as last years, but it was discouraging to see henne have all day to throw.
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Its great that we had 5 sacks though.
Even if most of them came from the 3rd stringers. But hey look at it this way, we got 35% of the sacks we got5 last year in just one game lol
The season is still so remote.
Yet the offseason boredom-hangover looms. I just barfed in my mouth thinking about that BCC article about Derrick Harvey as our best defensive player.
Vic might be right about fan media after all.
Tums? Concierge?
Let’s comment about things that happen. Not things that might happen. But wait…..anyone have good lottery numbers?
The Teal and Black are comin' back!
Go to hell Art.
BCC “scooped” the Times-Union, ESPN, etc on several stories this offseason (Mathis holdout, Kampman, Gene’s disgust over the Cleveland game, etc) and you point to one opinion piece?
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 22, 2010 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind becoming the first “blog” to have an exclusive with a NFL head coach, exclusive with MJD, bringing multiple players on for fan Q&As, amongst other things.
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by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 22, 2010 5:25 AM EDT up reply actions
VIC....
is a dumb ass who is too high on his own air, to see reality……..He may have more knowledge when it comes to the team, but why wouldnt he hes paid by the jags to write for them…..I remeber him writing some peices on some guys he was high on that didnt turn out to be squat, peoples personal opinions, is exactly that, unless its a factual story, take it for what it is….grow up man.
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so no other media outlet projects or speculates?
Pray tell that ESPN, CNNSI, FTU, Jaguars.com any “real” media outlet does not predict or prognosticate how the teams are going to look, players that may step it up, etc.
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by Brian Fullford on Aug 22, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Defense is concerning
At this stage, defense is still our biggest concern. For all the talk about needing a better QB (which we do!), the single biggest issue this team needs to resolve is getting quality defensive playmakers.
I’m not at all confident in this D’s ability to rush the passer, cover the receivers or stop the run. I acknowledge that our D has not yet played with all the starters, and I honestly do think the injuries and precautionary nursing of Kampman etc. has meant that the D has not had a chance to gel into a cohesive unit yet. They may well play 200% better as the 1st string guys get to practise and play together more. But, right now…. the D scares me.
Our O is going to be better than last year, I think… they will at least be competitive. Sims-Walker, Thomas, Dillard and Miller (assuming he is healthy) are going to make some plays this year, and our RBs look good. But, I don’t think our O is going to be good enough to beat teams when they are only on the field for 20 mins per game and need to score 8 TDs to overcome the D’s deficiencies.
my assesment
My thoughts in a nutshell
The Good:
It was good seeing that Garred had time to throw Mia was playing 6 7 men in the box most of the night we are going to have to prove that we can throw the ball. As we do more run lanes will open up.
David.
First drive MJD was held up a little He catches that pass it is 6. Second drive MSW catches six. His play defintley inproved
The bad
Mel Tucker
He has the talent. Fter the fist couple of series the dolphins switch to a max protect. He is going to need to be creative with his blitzes and start using them more.
Turnovers
McGee hangs on to that ball we have a different tune to sing,but he is a rookie and it is a learning experence for him.
The ugly
1st team linebackers
Did they smoke out before playing because they looked lost out there
JDR
That challange call was retarded
Derrick Cox
Looks scared and timid out there
And at times lost
by jesusjagfan2009 on Aug 22, 2010 8:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
My thoughts.
Cox ain’t all that great.
Harvey can’t get off his blocks quick enough.
Secondary is in shambles.
Don Carey has been hyped up all offseason and he is probably the worst corner on the team.
Deji Karim is sick.
Garrard will be fine with the starting line, beyond that he will be in trouble if anyone gets hurt.
McCown is a capable backup.
i want McCown
i like him more for us then garrard
i hope mojo is just playing around cuz its preseason
man.. i hope that first play was more telling about our new Dline then the rest of the game :(
man.. i hope that first play was more telling about our new Dline then the rest of the game :(rashard Jennings seems faster
man.. i hope that first play was more telling about our new Dline then the rest of the game :(rashard Jennings seems fasterKARIM!!! <—- i love that guy
man.. i hope that first play was more telling about our new Dline then the rest of the game :(rashard Jennings seems fasterKARIM!!! <—- i love that guySims Walker <—— i love him more!
man.. i hope that first play was more telling about our new Dline then the rest of the game :(rashard Jennings seems fasterKARIM!!! <—- i love that guySims Walker <—— i love him more!Mike thomas might b pretty nice
man.. i hope that first play was more telling about our new Dline then the rest of the game :(rashard Jennings seems fasterKARIM!!! <—- i love that guySims Walker <—— i love him more!Mike thomas might b pretty niceand i wish once for all people will stop saying “Marcedes is such a great BLOCKING TE”
move him to the Oline then! i want my first round TEs to b playmakers! catch TDs catch 3rd downs!
man.. i hope that first play was more telling about our new Dline then the rest of the game :(rashard Jennings seems fasterKARIM!!! <—- i love that guySims Walker <—— i love him more!Mike thomas might b pretty niceand i wish once for all people will stop saying “Marcedes is such a great BLOCKING TE”
move him to the Oline then! i want my first round TEs to b playmakers! catch TDs catch 3rd downs!
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seriously other than the cheerleaders are were all the hot women at?
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by DownTownJax on Aug 22, 2010 5:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
misleading
DG hit a 35 yarder than a 29 yarder 2 walker. vonte davis slipped on the 35 yarder and it was a 7 yard over the middle pass walker turned up field for 29 yards. thats 64ytards in two completions. his other 4 were for 15 yards. still dinking and dunking. so either walker is going to be a top 8 reciever this year or garrard still got to get it 2gether. one good series and everything coshier now. bs. deji kareem gives are o the ball on at least the 35 and we still cant mustard much. it was better than last week, but dont be fooled by the stats. if you was there or watched the game, you no we still have a problem with DG. to inconsistent.
First of all
you are seriously hating, and you have been for a while.
This is not a video game and this is not college ball. Look at the best in the business Peyton/Bress they dink and dunk all day and then take their shots when they are available. Last week you mentioned something needing to throw like 4 40 yards passes a game. NO ONE does that on a regular basis. Keep in mind I’m not even commenting on Garrard’s performance. I’m just saying, keep your expectations realistic. I don’t think you have a true grasp of what that is in the NFL.
its funny u mention colts and saints both top ofenses in league both take multiple shots down field a game both made super bowl. in fact baltimore and the jets were the only teams in the playoffs who didnt have a real down field passing attack. im not hating i want whoever our qb is to do great. but you have to have to have to take shots down the field. your right its only preseason, a perfect chace to practice it. ill find the rankings and post so you can see were the top teams took the most chances deep down the field. ps i dont play video games and love college football only im a gator fan and tebow never throw the ball down the field
I bet you
a deep pass per every 8 passes is amongst the tops in the league for deep passes. And Garrard had 2 passes that are considered “explosive.” Take a look at the stats. Peyton had an average of 7.9 y/a last year. That’s not even a whole yard difference. Garrard is right in the middle of the league for y/a with 7 y/a.
one of his passes was deep the other was a short pass and walker did the rest
by jagfan4life on Aug 23, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
yea but im simply talking about throwing the ball deep not yac or other thangs. if thats the case then mjd are best deep threat from the run. we have to go down the field and take our shots
by jagfan4life on Aug 23, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
take a look at his 40 yard plus passes comp and attempted i bet its triple dg. ill admit reggie wayne helps but im talking about at least try a couple a game. not talking about yac
by jagfan4life on Aug 23, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
And you thought
Tim didn’t throw down field in college, yet he had averages of 10.85, 9.39, 9.22, and 9.22. I just don’t think you realize how rare it is to see a 40 yard pass in college football, and how much rarer it even is in the NFL. Stop watching the hightlights, they are deceiving.
tebow did not throw the ball deep down the field and every gator fan knows it. hed hit riley cooper over the middle an yac ld help his average. thats why against bama tenn and others the safeties played up they knew he wasnt gona chunk it . it gets predictable and stop with the video game playing highlight watching hater talk to prove a point doesnt work you got you got your opinion and i got mine. once again all the teams in the playoffs cept balt and jets had deep passing games enough said
by jagfan4life on Aug 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
thank you real fans
this is a big hug to the true jag fans who didnt leave the game. the ones who waited 8 months to see our jags play football, and wasnt gona run from a lil rain, and kept on drinking hoping the lighting would stop, and raised hell and lost thier voice on our defense 1st series with the sack then block punt 4 safety. i was with you all the way crowded in the halls around the ramps talking sheeiiittt to the dolphin fans and when they said u can go to your seats it was worth the wait. i love this game and to yall who stayed thats the type of fans i want in everbank field
#truth
i was proud of our fans
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I agree with what everyone is saying about Cox.
He looks lost out there, but I wonder if it’s the soft tissue issue we’ve been hearing about, he’s just not playing with the confidence that he did as a rookie. I think he’ll bounce back … if not, he’ll represent the worst move of Gene’s tenure. Sure would have liked that second round pick this year.
He looked dogged
a little in the first preseason game. In fact I thought that before anyone mentioned it. I didn’t see the closing burst I had seen from him before.
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