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The Greg Jones Discussion

Alfie,

My apologies for stealing your topic. My comment just got too long. 

 

Now to the topic, I love that you brought it up. Jones may be my favorite player on the Jaguars roster. Ryan Robinson and I talked on twitter before the draft. I presented him this scenario: You are trapped in a dark alley. You fear for your life. What Jaguars football player (pre-draft 2010) would you want there to make you feel safe? His response, of course, was Greg Jones and I laughed because its exactly who I thought of.

 

Jones is devastating as a lead blocker. Your I-formation argument says it all. The passing attack is what has weakened us in the red-zone, and while we can run what I now dub a "Matt-Leinart-Offense" (dink and dunk and dont mess up, while not trying to make a play happen) to have many plays and run the clock down. It will not have the same affect (a or e?) on the opposing defense. The run game wears them out. Greg Jones makes them sub out for a breather.

 

Greg Jones is one of the reasons that the Jaguars are physically feared. It would be a mistake for the play of the 2009 season to not have Greg Jones on the roster. It would be a mistake for the Jaguars Defense to have to play against Greg Jones.

Star-divide

 

Now, let's put on an emotionally distant NFL GM hat. Not Gene, just any GM. We will focus on value and cost of paying the player. We look at replacements and the "QB draft of the decade" that will happen in 2011.

 

According to Rotoworld, here is G Jones salary: 2/13/2008: Signed a five-year, $17.4 million contract. The deal included a $2.5 million signing bonus and a $1.5 million roster bonus in the first year. Another $3 million is available through incentives. 2009: $2.48 million (+ $500,000 roster bonus), 2010: $3 million, 2011: $3.1 million, 2012: $3.4 million, 2013: Free Agent

That is a lot of money for a FB. I look at it as paying another lineman to help MJD burst through holes. This keeps him healthy for longer. Jones is elite. We can't say that about too many players, but in my opinion Jones is elite and MJD is elite and Jones protects MJD. Keep elite to further the career of another elite. Sounds like a deal I'd take.

But, as we all know, the Jaguars are in a small market. Salaries need to be cut when possible. Unfortunately for Jones, he does have a high salary. His birthday is in May. He is 29 years old. If you're going to trade him, you might as well do it in a year that you have a replacement (Bolen) that might not make it to the practice squad. You gather picks that would help you in the "QB Draft of the Decade" and you develop younger talent for the long run (once again, Bolen). The Patriots do something similar to this and they have been successful for years.

Another good aspect of Brock Bolen is that he is fearless (as Jones is) and he loves to initiate contact (as Jones is). So, we know that we are keeping the mentality.

It seems to me that trading Jones needs to happen now, or pre-draft. The problem is that in the pre-draft scenario, the Jaguars may not get as much value. There are teams that have problems on offense and could need him now. 

Where would you trade him? I do not know teams and their fullback situations well enough to comment. Though, there are many teams that are now wanting to lean on the run due to inadequate passing. (AR, KC, NYJ, OAK, SEA, SF, TB and others). Maybe you could find a team that just wanted to upgrade. Or, maybe there is no market for a true FB. I read an article today that stated there was only one FB taken in the 2010 draft. Times have indeed changed. Lucky for him, he had a cool name--John Conner, why the J-E-T-S call him "Terminator" I can't figure. Conner killed the Terminators.

Back to the roster, we know Jones is expensive and we know Owens isn't getting cut because of how well his play is on Special Teams.

Here is Owens salary, if you're curious: 1/21/2009: Signed a four-year, $4.20 million contract. The deal included a $1 million signing bonus. 2009: $535,000, 2010: $715,000, 2011: $950,000, 2012: $1 million, 2013: Free Agent

Here is Bolens salary: 12/14/2009: Signed a multi-year contract. 2010: $395,000, 2011: $480,000, 2012: Free Agent

 

Here is my opinion: For the immediate future, Greg Jones' departure would be a mistake. For the long-term, it would be a great personnel move full of foresight, IF and only IF the correct value was received for Jones. Jones means too much to this team both tangibly and intangibly to get rid of just to save cap room in an uncapped year or to get rid of just to get a player that would be depth. A 5th round pick would even be disappointing, but it may very well be the reality of the position. You would think that at the very least, the Raiders would be intereseted. Right?

 

What do you guys think?

 

 

I can't talk about Greg Jones without playing this video. I hope you haven't seen it, because it'll give you something to talk about with your friends.

 

 

 

 

 

Poll
Play General Manager, what do you do with FB Greg Jones?
Keep Him--and Montell but cut Bolen for the practice squad
92 votes
Keep Him, option 2--also keep M Owens, and B Bolen
64 votes
Trade Him--I can get some value for next years draft
79 votes
Trade Him, Option 2--we need some new players NOW!
19 votes
Cut Him--there is no market and he is expensive
18 votes

272 votes | Poll has closed

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And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Sep 1, 2010 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

No worries on the topic. That’s what FanPosts are for.

by Alfie Crow on Sep 2, 2010 12:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i appreciate that

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Sep 2, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we can trade him for value or a starter then go for it

but I don’t see any way that we can. If someone is on the chopping block it doesn’t make sense for a team to give up assets to grab a player who will be available anyway. My guess is more then 3 teams have to have serious interest in a player to make a move to get him early, if its only one or two teams (with probably moderate interest) then theres no point in not just waiting for the cut to happen.

I’m not convinced Greg will be cut yet, but I don’t think a trade will happen. If it does I will be pleasantly surprised.

by jstnblke41 on Sep 1, 2010 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

He is a beast but the Jags ar rebuilding and he is almost30 with a big contract

If they can get draft picks then great but the future is what needs to be the focus

by JagSoldier on Sep 1, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions  

he got trucked, hes good for goaline situations,

by rhettchrystal on Sep 2, 2010 2:17 AM EDT reply actions  

MJD is

better in goal line situations. Honestly, Greg has yet to impress me in short yardage situations.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 2, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't get that many opportunities anyway

unless it comes from the fullback position

You can't reason with unreasonable people.

by JagsAlex87 on Sep 2, 2010 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with both of you

Why is it that Fred was never used either (once MJD was here)?

And all those who look down on me I'm tearing down your balcony

by Surteal on Sep 2, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

think about it, if we had Bolen and Greg, Greg would have a lead blocker…

by rhettchrystal on Sep 3, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would trade him

in the event that we could get a good draft pick for him…. or a good starting caliber FS(Doesn’t have to be a current starter, because that’s not gonna happen).
Speaking of trading for a safety, I think I found a guy that should be cheap and good. Haruki Nakamura from the Ravens. Once Ed Reed comes back they should be pretty heavy at Safety; only thing is I don’t know what they want that we would be willing to give up. And while I’m talking about Ravens players, I’d also like to mention someone that could give Scotty McGee some competition: Prince MiIler- And we may not need to do much to get Miller as he might be cut to make room for other players.

by Ewdtrey on Sep 2, 2010 4:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Nakamura - good young safety

I really like a lot of the Ravens guys. I don’t know what the Jags could give up to get a kid like that, but I wouldn’t mind seeing them try something.

Ignore the hype; look at the results.

by harperslaw on Sep 2, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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