Josh Scobee: I'm Still Skeptical
by Adam Stites on Sep 6, 2010 9:30 PM EDT
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PrintJosh Scobee's 9-9 performance in the 2010 preseason has Jaguar fans further excited about the special teams, but I'm not quite there yet. Did he give me any reason to doubt him in the last month? Absolutely not. Why, then, have I tempered my expectations for his performance in the regular season?
Perhaps it was his 10-10 performance in the preseason in 2009. Or the 6-7 performance in 2008 that featured only one miss from 51 yards. Simply put, the preseason has never been a problem for Scobee. Maintaining consistency in the regular season has.
64% over the course of a regular season is bad. Only Jason Elam did worse last year at 63%. Sure he had misses from 63, 55, 53, 58 and 57 yards out, but his other 5 came from 43, 46, 49, 40 and 21. Scobee finished 4-9 from 40-49 yards and 4-9 from 50+ yards in 2009. Those ranked 33rd and 19th in the NFL, respectively.
Make the excuses you will, but Scobee's performance was clearly less than elite in 2009. His spotless 2010 preseason has some fans excited, but not me. Well not yet at least. The talent is clearly there, it's consistency that has been the issue.
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The proof is in the pudding.
Nice perspective Adam…… We’ll have to wait and see.
Evilboy? Please grace us with your perspective in proper fanpost/article format. Wow us with your intelligence, extensive knowledge and foresight.
the point is
He did all that he could do and the writers here still choose to put a negative spin on things. What could possibly be written in a fanpost that would add to 9-9 ?
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's and LB's ability to cover a TE.
by pksiv on Sep 7, 2010 8:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im pretty sure he covered that
When he said Scobee has always been money in preseason. The point of the post is: who cares about preseason numbers? Preseason is glorified scrimmages. The Lions went 4-0 in preseason then lost all 16 games that mattered. Do you think they were walking around after the season saying: “well, at least we won those 4 preseason games”? Heck no!
I’m glad he went 9-9, I hope it helps his sensitive psyche. Wouldn’t want to damage a kicker’s psyche… Now get better than 64% WHEN IT MATTERS or get yourself gone.
Winning in preseason
is a lot different than making all of your kicks. Winning relies on a lot of guys who won’t ever see the field during a regular season game. Making kicks is all on Scobee.
It’s still a negative article which could be written a lot easier for EVERY SINGLE Player on the roster who wasn’t perfect during the preseason. Which is basically every one but Scobee.
I’ll start:
Scotty McGee: I’m still skeptical.
Sure he looks great running back kicks and seems sure to return at least a couple for TD’s this season, but he did fumble that one ball….
who’s next ?
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's and LB's ability to cover a TE.
Scobee is so-so
Scobee is not a great kicker. Everytime he jogs onto the field for a FG, I cringe. The worst part is my tickets are right next to the chick who holds up the “Scobee Section” sign and dances around every time he kicks a PAT or FG…ugh, its soooo annoying. I think that’s why I may dislike Scobee so much.
i love scobee
he is my kicker in ALL my fantasy leagues.. the kid leg is nice! he is a top FG kicker in my mind
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You doubt the kicker because he is…the kicker! Nate Kaeding is one of the top kickers in the league and I bet plenty of Charger fans cringe when he trots out there. Gary Anderson had one of the greatest years ever for a kicker but missed one that would have sent the Vikings to the Super Bowl in 1998.
This is not a negative article
It is an analysis of a players performance in preseason vs regular season. It uses actual data to defend the position. It is getting to the point, for some, that if anything is written which indicates a lack of faith then it is framed as negative. Calling a bad thing bad is not being negative, it is being honest.
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"Calling a bad thing bad is not being negative, it is being honest."
He was 9-9. What more do you want ?
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's and LB's ability to cover a TE.
Question
As Adam noted, his concern is the regular season, therefore the condition has been qualified. What Adam stated he “wanted” was for Scobee to carry that into the regular season. 9 – 9 in the preseason means nothing. If a player looks good in shorts and helmets, is it therefore being negative if you state you’d like to see them in pads? No.
When I stated “Calling a bad thing bad is not being negative, it is being honest.” I did not equate bad=Scobee and I think that was obvious. It was merely noting that questioning the equating of preseason to regular season performance as being negative, in light of the evidence provided, is unfair. I have yet to see a response to Adam’s data which devalues his opinion.
Your Scotty McGee example doesn’t work because there is no body of regular season performance to compare to preseason success. You’re equating preseason success with preseason failure.
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by Brian Fullford on Sep 7, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
You can choose not to see it as a negative article if you want
but that’s the way it reads to me and I know I’m not the only one.
Statements like “His spotless 2010 preseason has some fans excited, but not me.” are not about facts. They’re clearly negative opinions.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's and LB's ability to cover a TE.
I don't like unfounded negatove articles about my team either......
but the fact is that Josh has had good preseasons before, and then not done so well in the regular season. You have to agree this is fact. This is all this article says. It is not up to Adam, you or me to see how it goes from here. It is up to Josh. He has done all he could do so far this preseason, now he must carry it on during the regular season. I have hopes that he will, and believe that he can. I take it you feel he will be great this year, and I can see where you would feel that way, and I hope you are correct. Adam, though I am sure he hopes Josh has a great year, is skeptical, and from the facts, I can see where he is coming from too. Its all up to Josh at this point!
It is his opinion
Based on the statistical facts surrounding a consistency to be lights out in preseason and then more average in the regular season. It is a negative opinion based on factual evidence. Why do you have a positive opinion? It can’t be based on fact since Adam has shown a pattern which would lend one to be skeptical.
Adam’s opinion is more realistic than negative.
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by Brian Fullford on Sep 7, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry, brian… but an opinion is just that… it does not have to be based in fact… it does not have to be objective… an opinion can be subjective… and totally not based in fact… that is where folks may agree or disagree, right?
if an opinion is based on pure facts only, then is it really an opinion? isn’t that just rehashing what can’t be subjective in nature? i don’t know, maybe i missed your point?a
nyhow, not trying to give you a hard time, but… shit… this is getting old with all the defense of seemingly negative writing.
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I see your point but his concern for future events, though grounded in factual evidence, is not certain. Therefore his opinion is to defer to pattern of behavior, i.e. be skeptical of future events. That is why I qualified it as being realistic.
I actually enjoy this. Had it not dragged on I wouldn’t have gotten your response which, in my opinion, offered a better degree of clarity.
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by Brian Fullford on Sep 7, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Being Skeptical
Adams opinion is to be skeptical in relation to his 9-9 performance, the thing is, it Scobees performance were 5/8 and were he not sacked, Adam would have written an article of how Scobbe is horrible and should be cut. But this would be based on his body of play.
So actually, being skeptical is only a result of something positive, knowing that preseason succes does not determine season skills, the 9-9 is not positive, so he should not be skeptical, he should just say that if scobee does not augment his completion porcentage he should be sacked without refering to his preseason conversions. It is clear, that adam is saying he doubts him in general since he states he has given him no “new” reason to doubt him other than his porcentage in regular season.
But in fact, one thing one might say that based on data, if the team is doing ok like in 2007 then Scobee wont be as pressured and might repete his 92% completion.
One might say too that Scobee in 2009 had the biggest number of attempts for more than 50 yards in the league. Maybe because the team sucked.
by chosijags on Sep 7, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on, people; grow a pair.
Not everything in the world is fun and happy and rosy, including things having to do with the Jaguars. As long-suffering and oft-forgotten Jaguars fans, we should be happy that there are people in this world committed enough to the Jaguars that they bother to point out a kicker’s preseason stats at all. Scobee following up 6/7 in 2008 with 19/25 (76%), and 10/10 in 2009 with 64%, and going 9/9 this preseason: those are just facts. Is it a trend? Who knows, but it’s fair to ask. Stop being so sensitive.
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by MoveThoseChains on Sep 7, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
You asked for it (please no on take offense: this is all tongue in cheek)
Son, we play a game that has goal posts, and the ball needs to be kicked through them by people with strong and accurate legs. Whose gonna do it? You evilboy128? You, pksiv? Adam has a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Josh, and you curse Adam. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Scobee’s leg, while accurate in the preseason, isn’t so in the regular season. And Adam’s existence, while negative and incomprehensible to you, educates fans. You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want Adam on this blog, you need Adam on this blog. We use words like consistency, clutch, reliability. We use these words as the backbone for a team trying to establish something. You use them as a punchline. Adam has neither the time nor the inclination to explain himself to fans who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very information that he provides, and then questions the manner in which he provides it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard, and type a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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by Brian Fullford on Sep 7, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I agree, well done.
and I don’t weep for Josh. My point is, the article could’ve been written with the exact same stats without being negative.
Had he gone 5-9 or 6-9 I’d have no problem with an article questioning his abilities. But to write an article questioning a kicker who went 9-9 makes no sense to me. It’s just negative for the sake of being negative. And if that’s the way he chooses to write, then I don’t expect a single positive article this year since other than MJD, you could write an “I’m skeptical” spin on every player on the team.
MSW – Sure he caught 12 passes for 200 yards and 3 TD’s, but can he stay healthy the rest of the season. Hasn’t been able to do it before so I’m still skeptical.
Garrard – Sure he threw for 400+ yards and 5 TD’s and ran for another score, but what did he do the past 2 years. I’m still skeptical.
Sure he’s lead the team to 12 straight victories, but what did he do in the past ? I’m still skeptical.
The facts are the facts. But the the tone of the article isn’t about the facts. It’s about the style of the author. And this article is negative.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's and LB's ability to cover a TE.
OK, using your format...
Scobee: Kicked great in preseason the last two years, but has had trouble during the regular season…Adam is still skeptical!!!
How is this any different than what you just said?
The tone of the article is based on facts
That doesn’t make it negative.
Would you rather the article read, “Scobee is perfect in the preseason which lends hope for a successful 2010.”? He could’ve written that but he opted to research the consistency of the player. That simply doesn’t make it negative.
We should be skeptical MSW won’t be healthy because he has only had one year of success.
We should be skeptical of David because he has been inconsistent.
You basically made my point.
Can’t be skeptical of MJD or Daryl Smith. Why? Because regardless of what they do in the preseason they have produced in the regular season.
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by Brian Fullford on Sep 7, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
And I didn't want you to feel I was being literal in playing with the quote
I know you didn’t weep :)
I just didn’t think changing it would have the same comedic impact.
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by Brian Fullford on Sep 7, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
no worries
I don’t take any of this literal.
And I intended to follow your point with the MSW & DG references. Because that would imply that no matter how good they perform, any and all writings on the subject, for at least this entire season, should start and end with Adam being skeptical about their continued performance. No celebrating. No good job. Just more of “despite how great they performed…. still skeptical”.
Can’t wait until Sunday when we have actual games to talk about. :)
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's and LB's ability to cover a TE.
I think you just manned up Adam a great deal
I don’t know the dude, but I bet after reading this he is all swole up now.
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by Adam Stites on Sep 7, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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