Does something really have to give? Stats:
by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 5:56 PM EST
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Alfie's post made me curious as to how rookie QBs have historically stacked up against David Garrard's 2010 or even past three years. With Jaguars fans pining for change at the QB position, running Garrard out of town is the most cathartic option; they can then blame the team's failures over the past several years on David. I posted some of this in Alfie's post, but wanted to add some to it and figured it was substantive enough for a post. Here's what I found:
Based on basic criteria, the chances of a rookie putting up as good of numbers next year as Garrard did this year are very low. If our rookie QB could put up 2734 yards on 64.5% passing with 23 TD/15 INT I think we’d all not only be stoked, but we’d be crowning him the "next big thing" like Rams fans are doing now with Sam Bradford. The fact is that most rookie QBs just can’t reach that level of performance. If playoffs are the goal, Garrard is probably the best option. Garrard may seem like he was the piece holding the team back, but if a rookie QB is more likely a step backward than a step forward from Garrard. Using very basic criteria, I searched pro-football-reference.com for rookie QB seasons with >60% passing and >15 TD (EIGHT less than Garrard threw this year). I came up with the following list:
2010: Sam Bradford
2008: Matt Ryan
2004: Ben Roethlisberger
2004: Carson Palmer
That’s the entire list. Those are the ONLY seasons in the history of the NFL in which a rookie QB threw for 15 TD and completed 60+% of his passes. Garrard easily surpassed both number this past season and there’s no reason to think he can’t do it again. If I relax the criteria to >55% competion percentage, the list adds the following:
1999: Tim Couch
1998: Peyton Manning
1986: Jim Kelly
1985: Dieter Brock
1983: Dan Marino
1961: Fran Tarkenton
That’s still a total of only ten players, and those qualifiers yield a worse passing season than David Garrard just had.
For the record, there has never been a rookie QB that has passed for 20 TD with a 60+% completion percentage, numbers that Garrard surpassed in just 13 1/2 games. At first glance, it would appear to be safe to say that David Garrard is easily still a better option for this team at quarterback than a rookie would be.
Upon further review, I realized that the stats above are kind of cherry-picked; if the argument is that a QB that turns the ball over less will help the team more, that’s a valid viewpoint as well. Garrard has had 20, 24, and 26 turnovers the past three years; this past season he threw 15 INT and fumbled the ball 11 times in only 13 1/2 games. The list of rookie QB with as many interceptions and fumbles is as follows:
2003: Byron Leftwich
2002: David Carr
2001: Chris Weinke
1996: Tony Banks
1995: Kerry Collins
1993: Rick Mirer
1986: Jack Trudeau
1979: Jeff Komlo
1966: Randy Johnson
That’s nine rookie QB that have turned the ball over as much in a season as Garrard did this year. If the argument is that the Jaguars would benefit more in 2011 from a QB that does less positive offensively but also does less to hurt his team with turnovers, there’s a legitimate case for a rookie QB in 2011. I personally don’t think the negatives outweigh the positives, but it’s absolutely a valid discussion point.
Again after further review, I decided it would make more sense to use mean averages over the past three years (an extremely arbitrary time period; I chose not to go back further than three years because Garrard was seemingly a different player from 2008 to 2010 than he was in 2007, which appears to be a statistical outlier). Garrard's mean TD, completion %, interceptions, and fumbles the past three years are:
17.67 TD
62.46% completion %
12.67 interceptions
10.67 fumbles
Using the interception and fumbles means, the list of rookie QB that surpassed these turnover numbers includes the nine listed above, plus the following:
2006: Vince Young
2006: Andrew Walter
2005: Kyle Orton
1999: Tim Couch
1984: Warren Moon
The list is still only 14 players long, so a rookie QB would be expected to put up less turnovers than Garrard over the course of a season.
Using the TD and completion % means, the rookie QB with better TD and competion % than Garrard's means are:
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Um.............
That's the list. There has never been a rookie QB in NFL history that has had more TD and a better completion % than Garrard's means in those stats over the past three years.
Let's use yards per attempt instead of completion % and see what happens. Garrard's three-year mean yards per attempt is 7.1. Using that and his TD mean, we get the following list:
1988: Mark Rypien
1986: Jim Kelly
1983: Dan Marino
1961: Fran Tarkenton
1948: Charlie Conerly
Pretty lofty company. Expecting a rookie to exceed those numbers seems foolish at best.
This does NOT definitively say that a rookie would not be as good as Garrard; there is a lot of subjectivity involved in the statistics I used. For example, if I could make a list using Garrard's fumbles LOST over the past three years (3, 8, 4, mean of 5.0) versus total fumbles (7, 14, 11) from 2008 to 2010, I would do it, but Pro Football Reference doesn't have a search category for lost fumbles. You could make a case for using different means such as a five-year or two-year mean. You could argue that different offensive statistics matter more. The point is to think for yourself while keeping statistics in mind.
My overriding point is that an argument can easily be made on either side, but I would argue for the side that a rookie would most likely not perform as well as David Garrard in 2011, and if the goal is to make the playoffs as opposed to developing a rookie QB, Jack Del Rio would be wise to hitch his wagon to David Garrard once again.
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If David Garrard was better we wouldn’t be talking about David Garrard.
by Alfie Crow on Jan 17, 2011 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
WHY
Do you have a stick up your backside for Garrard..
Why can’t you see its NOT all on him. He has been MORE than serviceable.. with what he has had to work with around him. I have said it and WILL Stand by it..
Put Garrard in San Diego, Pittsburgh, etc.. and he is a top 10 QB. He simply does NOT have the tools in Jacksonville.
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by Charles Goin on Jan 17, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Alfie made a good point
Why do you you have to go on such a rampage every single time a point is offered by alfie.
The truth is that Garrard is only serviceable and people think that isn’t good enough and to be trueful it isn’t. Does any team in the playoffs have just a serviceable QB? You might be able to make a case for Seattle’s situaction but given their bad division, it would a tough point to make.
To be completely honest, if you put Garrard in any of those “better” situactions, i’d doubt he’d be any better than he is now. Looking at his mistakes, a very good percentage are mistakes that were bad throws, bad decisions. Garrard is also a very hot and cold passer who has played extremely good or extremely bad regardless and with the team he was on throughout the season.
Being a Garrard apologist doesn’t make much sense given the last couple seasons.
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 17, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
+1000000
Simple fact David has failed to get it done two Decembers in a row. This franchise needs to take a step forward, draft a qb and let him play next year. Until that happens all you ve done is delay another year of the rebuilding process and wasted another year of mjd in his prime.
by Slawsc on Jan 17, 2011 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do not think....
the extent of DG’s injury is being fully realized in the less than stellar play during this Dec. Also, consider that our main weapon, MJD, was in my opinion only 75% at best.
That true
But since 2007 and lets also exlcude this season because of the injuries, I haven’t seen why we should keep a Qb who is so hot and cold.
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 19, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
You keep him until you find someone better
as soon as they’re able to find someone better, everyone will be happy to have that guy playing instead of DG. It’s just not as easy as wanting to have someone better though.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
I also don't think....
it wise to focus on the QB when the rest of the team has big holes. Those holes are getting filled in. Of course, BAP, if a great QB was available, probably worth the pick.
are any of these QB’s in this draft really great though? i think just because some will be taken in the 1st round, doesnt maike them great. just makes them good in this draft. i just dont see too much seperation between all these QB’s in this draft. except maybe newton, and i dont think he is going to be a good nfl QB.
you really think there aren't people in Indy wondering if Manning is on the decline
Brady, was Brees a one hit wonder,
Fanbases ALWAYS go after the quarterback. It’s been that way since the forward pass.
GARRARD hasnt gotten done.???? what about..
Did Garrard let the other teams score on the Jaguars with ease?
Did Garrard drop the passes..?
Did Garrard let the rushers through to the point he was sacked an the first step back..?
Did Garrard start in Houston? No.. But, Trent Green looked awesome against the Texans.. oh wait.. he looked far worse.
What part of TEAM sport do you not Fn’ understand.
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by Charles Goin on Jan 18, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
But the critics will say
Garrard did throw that costly pick against the Skins
Garrard did throw that costly pick against the Colts
Garrard did throw that costly pick against the Giants
Did have total shit sandwiches against the Chargers and Browns
When you look at 2010, he just did not make enough big plays to offset the stinkers that were of his doing and the defenses. Couple that with losing your #1 weapon, and well, I don’t see any of the 4 teams remaining who have a workhorse running back who will get 6 100 yard games in a row currently.
And lets not forget all of those
Interceptions he “ALMOST” threw. ;-)
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
the almost is stupid
and I’ve taken Alfie to task for that. I think that’s one of those ridiculous arguments to bolster ones argument.
Heard Prisco on the radio today touting Sanchez’ qb rating in the playoffs. My problem is why is qb rating a good barometer for some but not for all? Use it or don’t but you can’t have it both ways.
I think
“in the playoffs” is the operative phrase in what Prisco was saying. “QB rating” and “QB rating in the playoffs” are different standards of measurement
by JohnnyBiceps on Jan 19, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
doesn't matter in my book
either you say it’s valid or invalid totally or not at all. Can’t have it both ways. Prisco is famous for that. Every Monday show during the season is the same win or lose. Lost because of David, won in spite of David. Then when talking the win, brings up the negative that Garrard did.
That being said, the fact that Sanchez is 3-1 in the playoffs in his first 2 years on the road is remarkable. All he needed to say was that and not mention qb rating. QB rating is not a good barometer in my view as you can check down all damn game and get over a 130 rating.
No what David has done in his last two Decembers is
lead an offense to go 0-4 on a series of scoring drives, all starting inside the opponents 50 yard line in a 4 point game in the 4th quarter at home, while controlling our own playoff destiny (Miami-Dec. 2009)
and then
turn around a few days later and lose in a shootout, at home with an overthrow INT with playoff implications (Colts-Dec. 2009)
and then
“a year later and a year wiser” throw essentially the same (overthrown) INT against the Colts when we controlled our playoff destiny to end the 3rd quarter and lose the game (Colts-Dec. 2010)
and then
a week later make a horrendous decision and throw another INT to end a game, at home, with playoff impication (Washington-Dec. 2010)
so no, I am F’in tired of this crap Charles. I am tired of collasping in December. I am tired of all the excuses. We need a QB to lead a team when it is all on the line. When it is crunch time, step up and perform and make a play. And doing it once in 2007 isn’t good enough when you fail to get it done 2 other times in 2009 and 2010. That is 33% and that sucks. It is time to move on from David. He is 33 years old. Look at who is left this weekend. It’s a youngs man game. We need a young QB to come in and do something.
Those are the facts.
I don’t see why so many people have such blind faith in this guy anymore. He isn’t going to get it done. I realized that last year after the Indy game. Is David going to win us a Super Bowl? Answer honestly.
You can't honestly name 10 current quarterbacks who can win a Super Bowl
because only 6 have done so. Mannings, Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning, Brees.
Well it looks like than 22 other teams have the same problem
do you guys realize the goal is to WIN. WIN. WIN. That is the name of the game. I want a QB that is going to WIN for us.Of course it is hard. I want to be better. I want a QB that makes MSW, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams better, not the other way around.
It's not blind faith
Some of us simply recognize 2 things
1) The QB position is not the biggest problem this team has
2) Any QB taken in the draft will likely not be as good as DG for at least a couple of years, IF EVER.
All of us are Jaguars fans. If there was an easy way to get a HOF QB every one of us would call David Personally and tell him “Your Fired”.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
by pksiv on Jan 19, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Qb position is not a bigger problem than the entire defense. However it is still a big issue and needs to be addressed. I would be fine having Garrard start next year if we draft a QB. At least we’d be preparing for the next era in jaguars history.
A Qb may not be good now but you still have to prepare for the future, She haven’t drafted a QB in over 5 years. Procrastinating such an important position has consequences. I bet the Green Bay Packers are happy they made sure they had options at QB….
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 19, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody is suggesting we don't draft a QB
for the future.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
I disagree
Some people imply that we’re set at QB.
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Yes, since 2007 tell what he has done
Did Garrard let the other teams score on the Jaguars with ease?
No, but when looking at the multiple blowouts we suffered, you could argue he didn’t score enough point to make it a respectable loss.
Did Garrard drop the passes..?
No, but did he throw a catchable ball? A pass longer than 20 yards more than one or twice a game?
Did Garrard let the rushers through to the point he was sacked an the first step back..?
Did he hold the ball too long leading to a sack? Especially in a key situaction?
Did Garrard start in Houston? No.. But, Trent Green looked awesome against the Texans.. oh wait.. he looked far worse.
David Garrard could be Trent Green in the near future.
What part of TEAM sport do you not Fn’ understand.
I think i understand team. I also understand that a big part of the team, offensively, is the Quarterback.
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 19, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what I always say football is a team sport..
QBs dont lead teams unless you are Manning Brady Brees and handful of others the majority of teams out there have average QBS…Please tell me what is Sanchez…That guy is IMO worse than Garrard…We need defense help bottomline…Secondary!!!
Sanchez is average AT BEST.
And usually he looks worse. Also I think we should mention that I at least, as a Garrard “apologist” will be glad when we have someone better to start.
by Brian Levenson on Jan 18, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Sanchez.......
Is the very name I thought of with the statement “Does any team in the playoffs have just a serviceable QB?” Until I see better, thats all I think Sanchez is. I would not trade him for DG at this point. Not even consider it! If I spent 1/2 as much time building DG up as some of the folks on this site do in tearing him down, we would think he was the second coming of Christ!
Sanchez is still developing
I do not think he has reached his peak, Sanchez is above serviceable in my opinion because he make hugh plays when it really matters and i think has minimized errors since his rookie year. Last year, i would of thought Sanchez serviceable due to his learning curve.
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 19, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Garrard didnt make awesome huge plays this year?
His legs alone kept us in games..How many fourth quarter comebacks did we have to do? I know Garrard running isn’t ideal but he kept us alive…Arguing who is better is moot…Its a team game…I would give up our whole recieving core for Holmes and Braylon Edwards….Then we have some weapons…Christ sakes Cotchery on our team might be number one receiver very very close…
Cutler
Cutler is in the NFC Championship game..
Sacked FAR More.. Turned over the Ball FAR more..
Playing with #3 Defense…
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by Charles Goin on Jan 18, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
The fandom here would run Cutler out of town
a couple losses and he’d be on the FTU with pics of him sucking down brews at the Ritz.
come on
Man, we are still defending this guy. Reality check, we are not going to the playoffs next year. We need to continue to rebuild this team. Which means we need a new QB. Keep David for next year but we also need a QB to develop for the follow year. You guys need to go ahead and prepare that the jags are not going to make the playoffs so you won’t be crying at the end of the year. So start David for the the first half of the season and then let the new guy play for the rest. I repeat “WE ARE NOT GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS NEXT YEAR”. We just don’t have the talent. Look at the teams that are in the playoffs.
by presidentcamacho on Jan 18, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
who in the AFC South is in better shape?
Can you honestly say the arrow is pointing up in Houston, Tennessee or Indy?
Houston is about one player on defense from being the division leader....With Colts a very close second...
How will our defense work against Houston…We got really lucky with the Hail Mary cause the momentum was changing…
Nobody is disputing the fact
that we need a new QB of the future. I’m quite confident that a QB WILL be drafted and play as soon as he’s ready to perform at the necessary level.
Most statements are less about defending DG and more to the point that there are other concerns that are more significant and being ignored.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
True if anything
The division has no clearcut favorite
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 19, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
thats funny!
id say the colts are still the clear cut favorite..their injured will be back. peyton will be back. they will have another offseason to get the O on the same page. they will have a draft and free agency. it is nieve to think they wont be the same or better. we have many more issues in the offseason then they do. many more holes to fill!..
by chrisltr22c on Jan 19, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
True
I think pundits will hold off picking the Colts as quick because of what happened this year.
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 19, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
this is true
but we should be more focused on just how bad our defense is. Anyone who thinks otherwise really is misguided. I have no problem with drafting a QB but our priority should be shoring up the Defense. Maybe it’s just me but it sure does seem like we see alot more articles on how bad DG is or why we desperately need a QB over our Defensive concerns. Stastically speaking middle of the road QB vs worst ever D in Jags history sure seems like we should have more of a concern on that side of the ball. And let’s be honest, the D has been below average for much longer than DG has been average.
+1million
A YOUNG Defense… and a OLD Offensive line.. are a LOT bigger issue than DG.
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by Charles Goin on Jan 18, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
An old offensive line?
Monroe, Britton, and Nwaneri are all young. Two out of five players being old doesn’t constitute an old line, IMO.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
it does when they have major injuries and your most experienced, and important lineman the center is in the twilight of his career..they might not all be old in age, but football years are not measure in just age alone. the injury to uche lasted 2 years. vinny was hurt again at the end of the season. then there is eben. RT with a major right shoulder. so you have eugene right now with no issues that we know of..might not be an old age problem..just a problem..
You can help fix the defense and QB in one year
If you neglect picking a QB, you’re going to run into trouble later on. That trouble is here till we get a new QB
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 19, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Steelers did really well with banged up injured oline this year and so did GB...
Look where they are…Oh I forgot they have great defense…Our Offense isn’t gonna be a winner if we are playing catch up…We arent built to come back from 2 tds…
if you were not the biggest hater in the world
and a wannabe sports site host we would not be talking about Garrard….there are many QB’s in the league that are worse than David….you are the type of fan that roots for players to fail just so you can say I told you so…have fun with your gay ass site because this Jags fan is tired of listen to supposed Jags fans like your self hate on the players
Garrard is mediocre the end and lets get someone else who can give us hope.
and as for you 24cano you go to hell with your childish hate for the lead editor because if you was better then you would have his job. He can have any opinion he damn well please because he is his own man. Pete Prisco is a Garrard Hater and it seems like Vito Stellito wants the Jacksonville Jaguars to be anywhere but in Jacksonville so i guess everyone are Jag haters. If you don’t like this site or the editor articles on it then kick rocks with no shoes on and go post opinions with the nerds on the T-U because you’ll feel right at home you Jack Wagon. lol.
by leopold332002 on Jan 18, 2011 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
It’s not about stats it’s about wins. David Garrard is the perfect example of statistics not not translating to wins.
by Alfie Crow on Jan 17, 2011 6:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
And quite honestly: There shouldn’t be rookies having better seasons than a 9 year veteran. They’re rookies.
by Alfie Crow on Jan 17, 2011 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
That said, your discussion point was that a rookie could potentially provide Jack Del Rio with a better chance of making it to the playoffs. I would argue that a rookie would not improve his playoff chances even though Garrard is clearly flawed. A rookie is overwhelming likely to be even more flawed in his rookie year.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
I misrepresented if my point come off as a rookie giving a better shot at the playoffs. It was more a rookie offers a potential pass in not making it, where as with Garrard if you don’t make it (which is likely given history/career) then JDR is done.
by Alfie Crow on Jan 17, 2011 6:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay, well that changes a lot
I do think that Weaver’s playoff ultimatum doesn’t leave much wiggle room. Del Rio will probably have a hard time keeping his job if he doesn’t make the playoffs regardless of who he starts. That’s why I thought the ultimatum was a poor decision by Weaver: either Del Rio has to do what’s best for himself, or what’s best for the Jaguars. It’s foolish for those two things not to line up with each other; what’s best for the Jaguars should also be what’s best for Del Rio. If Del Rio really does have a shot at keeping his job without making the playoffs, starting the rookie is absolutely the better move, but I really don’t believe he has that wiggle room.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Del Rio aint getting another pass
He’s already had 2, maybe 3 if you count the year after the collapse in ’08.
by Brian Levenson on Jan 17, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
so any quarterback who is not on a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady track is a failure?
How many truly elite quarterbacks are there?
If you put DG in Seattle, I believe he puts up the same numbers or better than Hasselbeck. Do you really believe that Donovan McNabb dropped off that dramatically or that Jay Cutler all of a sudden “came to Jesus” his second year in Chicago?
+1
Actually check my Fan Post..
Cutler is below Garrard in most stats except turnovers and sacks.
BUT he is playing with the #3 Defense. Think that might have something to do with getting into the NFC Championship game.
Heres something to think about.. in Chicago – Urlacher, Pittsburgh – Palumalu, Jets – Revis and I could go on.. but those three teams live or die by a BIG playmaker in Defense. Surprise surprise they are also deep in the playoffs.
Until we get one, OR Mathis decides to wake up next year (What an awful year he had IMHO), or Alualu or Knighton live up to their promise
DG will be the least of our problems.
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by Charles Goin on Jan 18, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
you can not wake up from getting old, and slower. not to mention i dont know if you just wake up from “shying” away from contact.
apparently management and the coaches think Rashean is just fine
Now maybe this is trade posturing, but they watch hours of tape, we don’t. Also, one thing we must take into account, it was a mish mash of secondary players after week 1. Was Rashean that bad or did he look bad because the other players in the secondary were overmatched? Recall my nickname for Rashean of “Safety Help” Mathis. But great corners are more of a luxury than great quarterbacks. I think we can name more “elite” (hate the term) quarterbacks than “elite” corners.
THAT was my biggest problem with the way the season started, that we went through OTAs and camp and still could not settle on a secondary until about Week 8.
My biggest problem with him
is he seemed to quit on more than a few plays. Ok, so I get that you were supposed to have Safety help over the top and the majority of fans are going to blame you for the lousy coverage even though you did exactly what you were supposed to do… AT LEAST Try to chase the guy down after he’s caught the ball. Yell at the missing Safety on the sidelines after the play is over.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
We could also draw
the same comparison to our coach. After 8 or whatever year he is in, you would think that we would produce better results besides consistently fading in the last quarter of the season.
I thought his 4th quarter splits were outstanding
I don’t believe his stats are necessarily better than an 8-8 QB would have; he did turn the ball over almost 20 times this year and didn’t even throw for 3000 yards.
Stats plus 4th quarter production should equal wins unless there are other mitigating factors involved. Garrard’s stats are right around what I’d expect for a team with our record. We simply need a better quarterback.
My argument (and yours in the other post) is Garrard vs. a rookie, not Garrard vs. other NFL starters. I’ll take most other NFL starters over Garrard, but I’ll take Garrard over a rookie if playoffs is the goal. This is why keeping Del Rio but delivering a playoffs ultimatum was ultimately a poor move by Wayne Weaver; in order to try to win now, Del Rio would be better off starting Garrard. For the team to be better in the long run, the Jaguars would be better off starting the rookie QB. It’s an unenviable spot for Del Rio to be in.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Did you take into account 4th quarter junk statistics? Stats when game is well in hand one way or the other?
Just looking at splits lie. Have to parse where it comes from. IE, statwise Garrard was great in Cleveland last year, but it was all garnered with the game in hand.
by Alfie Crow on Jan 17, 2011 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't look at it at all
Was just going off of memory. I completely with you that David Garrard is not the answer for this team at quarterback. Where I think we misconnected was in the purpose of your original post. I read it as “should the Jaguars start Garrard or a rookie at QB knowing that Del Rio has to make the playoffs to save his job?” but it seems that that isn’t how you meant it.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
For a player to be able to transalte stats into Wins there NEEDS to be a supporting cast....
David can manage a prolific offense but lets face it…. with the defense we´ve had the last couple of years scoring 30+ pts does not guarantee a win AT ALL…..
I don´t have the stat at hand, but i can bet my life that the last 3 seasons we had the lead in at least 10 games entering the last 6 minutes of the game…..
With a defense like ours i´m pretty GD sure that guys like Flacco, Sanchez, Cassel or even Ryan would not be considered above average QBs…….. Fortunatley for them they have a supporting cast that helps the translate an avrage effort into Wins…..
You nailed it Alfie.....
I am glad you are coming around to the truth. Your comment that “It’s not about stats it’s about wins. David Garrard is the perfect example of statistics not not translating to wins” hit it on the head. No matter how well DG plays, the supporting cast in many areas of this team just can not give enough to complete the task at hand. I knew you would see the light. Nice work buddy!!!!
You missed the point
Losses are all on the QB. Wins go to the team.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
Sorry, I was being sarcastic...
should’ve used a smiley-face. ;-)
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
The biggest problem people have with Garrard is that no one ever expected him
to be the QB for this long, even after he got the 60 mil contract. He is just ok and the worst part is that he has peaked. He wont get any better from this point on. Everyone is mad that the Jaguars havent drafted a QB in such a long time so we have been stuck with good Garrard bad Garrard with no hope in sight. I hope the trend changes this year in the draft but everyone needs to resign themselves to the fact that Garrard is the man for the next season or two.
i'd agree with that too
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 17, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Garrard is our best chance for the playoffs and beyond. He played quite well, and atleast 4 of those picks were off batted balls, and 1 was a dropped pass, that makes 10 picks with 23 TDs, that’s pretty good, but he’s going to have to learn to throw it quicker, and his receivers are going to have to get open quicker, and his blockers are going to have to block longer. With those being accomplished next year, garrard will probably be at about 4 fumbles. If we can get a true #1 receiver, I can see 2500-3200 yards, and 20-30 TDs next season. With 5-12 picks
He's going to have to learn how to throw it quicker???
What the #@%& has he been doing all these years if not trying to do that? Waiting until he was an old, beat up QB? Waiting until his job was on the line?
He is NEVER going to “learn” soomething now – you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
You can't just remove all tipped interceptions
I remember a few of those tipped interceptions…they were thrown behind the receiver. That’s still on the quarterback.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
What about
The drops or timed plays the WR goes left when he was supposed to go right. Can’t count how many of those he had this year and last.
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by Charles Goin on Jan 17, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know which way the WR was supposed to go?
I can’t count how many of those he had, but you can’t either because you don’t know the plays. If the ball is thrown the opposite direction the receiver runs you have no idea if the WR is running the wrong route or if Garrard is throwing the wrong route.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
True
But you can kind of tell by the reaction when they huddle as in who apologizes to who.. and it seemed MSW and M80 both seemed to be apologizing more than being apologized too..
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by Charles Goin on Jan 17, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't you apologize for not making the play if you were in the huddle?
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by TheTealDeal on Jan 17, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
BTW..
As a back up to this I did my own stats, on Garrard and the TEAM effort vs the rest of the league. Kind of interesting…
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 17, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
Already did
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by Charles Goin on Jan 17, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Listen guys, its as one person already said, it doesn’t matter who’s your qb. Your weapons are simply limited on this roster. I have a hard time going through some of the fanposts when guys are talking about certain players like (Hill, Dillard, Underwood, Wilford, Miller, etc.) like they’re primed to be potential great targets. If anything I’m impressed how well Garrard has done up till this point with the guys he has in front of him. Pretty easy to defend a team who has only one real major threat (in MJD).. maybe if we had some more offensive threats, then we could see MJD tear the league apart in rushing yards. Pretty easy to defend an offense with only one guy to really worry about
shows how good MJD is
he’s hurt, and getting focus heavily on, 9 in the box, and still almost got most yards in the league
by rhettchrystal on Jan 17, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a firm believer
In that the QB makes the reciever not the other way around
by duuuvaaalll on Jan 17, 2011 9:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
Point in case: Deion Branch.
Great with Tom Brady in New England. Stinks with Seattle, traded back to the Pats and all of a sudden he looks good again.
by Brian Levenson on Jan 18, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I agree though their are a few cases where
wideouts make their QBs better. See Calvin Johnson in Detriot
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Beg to differ
In New England there also Welker, Gronkowski, and Woodhead, Edelman..And bring in the back up TE Hernandez…Who else was in Seattle? Dude really Branch was a loner there Housmanzadeh way overrated…Welker gets a ton of attention on NE…Sorry this point fails…
Goes both ways
Because what is everyone talking about after the Pats lose to the Jets… lack of a big play WR. Even Deion Branch doesn’t look like a Super Bowl MVP anymore.
The most accurate and elite QBs CAN make decent WRs look great. As long as they can get separation, he will thread the ball. But a QB who isn’t extremely accurate, especially on the deep ball (see David Garrard), needs his WRs to be able to go up and make plays on the ball. Be able to adjust to the ball better, make catches over and around guys.
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Im a firm believer in
A Great O-line makes a Great QB, and then that Great QB can make great recievers out of good ones.
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by Charles Goin on Jan 18, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Great Point
Our Oline is average at best…Monroe is ok but not blowing people over by no means…
Let's stop talking about Rookie QB's
Kevin Kolb is ripe for the picking.
by Bill The Thrill on Jan 17, 2011 8:53 PM EST reply actions
Are they similar in teh draft as far as proven they can play in the NFL...
At some point for a team to make an impact with so many holes you have to go after someone whos already proven they can play at this level….but instead of Kold trade our picks for Asmouga from the Raiders the Cox on teh other side with help…Then we have a team to stop so much passing…
Don't like him
something about him. If Reid don’t like him, then why should we? I know I pointed out McNabb in an earlier post, but I don’t believe he regressed as bad as Washington made it appear. He’s on the downside, but Reid knows qbs.
Not everyone is Matt Schaub or Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees.
Good call
BUT that being said, I don’t think it’s necessarily fact that Reid doesn’t like him, I think that it’s that he had a better option to win with Vick. With the troubles on the O Line, he needed a QB that could create his own offense more. Kolb is a pocket guy who can get defenses could Tee off on. I think Andy Reid likes Kolb, but loved what he saw in Mike Vick.
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Picks not players.
This franchise has dedicated itself to building it’s roster via the draft. There is no way gm gene would let go the amt of picks and positioning that would be required to get Kolb. It ain’t happening.
by Slawsc on Jan 17, 2011 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Probably just take the #1 at this point
Ammount of picks? 1.
Gene is a scout, he’ll know whether or not he sees more potential in Kolb than the guy he has pegged around his turn at 16.
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the problem
Lies not in his stats but how he wins or loses games at such an incosistent rate. One week he leads the team to a win on a last min drive the next week he sails a pass or holds onto the ball too long.
I like david garrad but he is the qb only until we get a better qb here. You can’t blame recievers or the oline because there are abs that win with worse. Like big ben or jay cutler.
I think davids problem is his qb iq and holding the ball too long. He doesn’t seem to be able to go through his progressions quick enough and ends ip forcing the ball into tight coverage. Or holds onto the ball and doesn’t always feel the pressure coming at him.
I would much rather have a qb that didn’t put up great numbers but only turned the ball over half the times garrad does.
Dammit just go out there and play to win and I'll be here to cheer!!!!
by Vegasjags on Jan 17, 2011 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Looking at the numbers...
….for David Garrard’s career, it’s pretty simple. When all he has to do is turn and hand the ball off, he’s great. When he actually has to do his job, he’s not. Point blank. He’s way too inconsistent to be relied upon. He’s had way too many WTF moments. And he’s really only gonna be remembered for one game that he won with his legs, not his arm. Ryan Mallet please!
Whatever happens to JDR in the long run, change is due. Honestly, it doesn’t even look like the Jags staff is on the same page. We have a running game head coach, with a spread offense coordinator calling plays trying to get a spread offense going using a running game QB. Down the stretch, we were leaning on a running game using passing game receivers. This team as a whole is a soup sandwich, even a football bat. Whatever Wayne decides, he needs to have the whole thing on the same page or we’ll be doing the circle pattern for a while.
If I’m Wayne, damn the schedule, damn the debate, the staff needs a scrub down and a lock down. Get a staff that’s one the same page and lock it down contractually. Grab a QB that fits the staff and lock him down as well. And do it soon.
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He’s way too inconsistent to be relied upon.
Ryan Mallet please!
These two statements being in the same paragraph made me laugh really hard
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 18, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
.... please, Lord, help our fans...
by alwaysforgiven821 on Jan 18, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
I mean...
….if you have something meaningful go ahead and put it out. Otherwise, move on. So far we have “….made me laugh really hard”, and “…help our fans”. That’s it. If you don’t like the statement put up something meaningful in the other direction.
I think to some it's obvious that Mallet has extreme deficiencies in his person and his game
Some people feel that Mallet lacks consistency which is what we all bang our heads against the wall with in David. Some people also feel that Mallet can’t speak, let alone read a pro style D or how to be smart with the ball. Some people also feel that he’s just another flavor of the month with Jaguars fans who just want something new, even if it’s not better than what they have.
I personally feel the kid has one hell of an arm, but have major questions about leadership potential to run an offense in the NFL, where his head is at (a la Ryan Leaf), and if he can slide in the pocket, or throw accurately on the run. Does that make me want him less than Garrard? To be honest, from what I have seen in his games this year I would NOT take him in the first round or want him to start next year over David, but I wouldn’t be pissed if Gene saw something I didn’t and took him.
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which people.....
Because pro style defenses was pretty much all he faced. He did alright.
by moufpuncha on Jan 20, 2011 10:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oh yeah
And some people thought Brady was a seventh rounder. Not saying he’s Brady but there’s no such thing as an expert. All I’m saying is the Guy has the tools to do the job.
by moufpuncha on Jan 20, 2011 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay
Mallett is as inconsistent as they come. He can look amazing one second and horrible on the very next play. He has a tendency to throw bad interceptions. He crumbles under pressure and makes horrible decisions when the rush is on him. Basically he’s a huge, white David Garrard with a bigger arm and zero mobility. Mallett is a huge risk; the fact that you seem to think he’s an easy upgrade over Garrard is laughable.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
i cant agree with that....
He only had two multi pick games this season and that was against two of the best defenses in the sec. About his maturity, which other qb had a piece written about his maturity level being a complete turn around? About the risk, every pick in the draft is a risk. As for bad picks you can hardly discount a Guy for that. Like so many people have used to defend garrard, you never know what happens on a play because you don’t know the play.I’ve seen Manning throw some bad picks and we all just saw Brady crack under pressure. So what? And Brady isn’t mobile either. I’m not saying he’s gonna be Brady but mobility isn’t really a chief concern when you have a real QB.
He’s big, strong arm, and he ran one of the most complex pro passing games in college football. He’s ready. And there’s no such thing as an expert so I find it laughable that you find somebody’s opinion laughable. If you were in position to do so, you would be working for the Jaguars.
by moufpuncha on Jan 20, 2011 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you think Manning and Brady aren't mobile, I don't know what to say to you
Mobility means they can move around in the pocket. Mallett is a statue, like Leftwich was.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 23, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Just
grab Dalton from TCU in round 3 and give Garrard one more year.
Go Frogs!
Garrard was not drafted to be
Garrard was drafted I believe in the 4th round by Coughlin. He was to learn and back up Mark Brunell and given his progress get a shot at starter when Brunell would end up leaving. He was primarily the same as Jonathan Quinn, A good back up quarterback.
Garrard
is a 7.5/10 on my QB scale, with 9.5 going to Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, 9.0 going to Aaron Rodgers, 8.5 going to Matt Ryan, 8.0 going to Joe Flacco. Garrard needs help around him, if his receivers get open faster and don’t drop the ball, and the blockers block long enough, for Garrard to find the open receiver, Garrard is elite…but if that doesn’t happen we see rushed throws(usually picks), and stripped balls. Peyton Manning had a few bad game this year, what was it 11 picks in 4 games? Then again he’s only there best option, they will try to find a new signal caller, this year…..(sarcasm)
Manning over Brady?
Sorry dude, I like clutch players.
Brady has gotten it done more often than not when it matters. You can say Vinatieri this, tuck rule this, Spygate this, Coach Hoodie this, but Brady still has the 3 rings.
Also, Flacco 8.0? Man, your rankings are John Clayton-esque. I see Garrard as a 5.5 to 6.5 (depending on what constitutes a 0.0 or 0.5). I’d figure of the starting qbs in the league who started more than 5 games, the low end would be Jimmy Claussen based on his current and not potential performance.
0-3
Brady is 0-3 his last 3 playoff games…. looking a little less clutch these days.
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Might be that 25th ranked defense. :-)
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
he also had great defenses and players when he won all around him...
Rodney harrison was on those teams and he is like an Ed Reed or Polamalu…
You also cant just ignore they whole spygate thing cause it did happen they lost picks…They havent been as good since…You are naive if you think that didnt nake a differnece…This year Brady had bigtime help from Woodhead and Welker for his numbers those guys have things to prove…
can't discount his regular season
Dude hadn’t thrown a pick since what was it, week 6? Those weren’t all checkdowns he threw since then. The games I saw from the Cleveland game forward, aside from Green Bay and Sunday, he performed surgery on teams.
He wasn’t playing defense.
Ahhh yes, but we're talking "in the clutch"
Playoffs are THE “in the clutch” moments when QBs become legends and take their team on their shoulders and carry them to victory…. zzzzz… WHAT?! Anyways, Brady hasn’t been able to win in those moments the last three years. And in those moments is when he threw his picks this year. In those moments was when he couldn’t move his offense. The Jets wore him out, confused him, limited his play. I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin…. he hasn’t been very clutch without that stifling Defense or phenomenal Special Teams or true deep threat WR. He isn’t carrying his team any farther than Manning did.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I’m just putting it out there… 0-3 is 0-3. You want clutch guys, how about somebody who wins those games? I like those pretty rings too, but in the what have you done for me lately league, what have you done for me lately? I don’t know if I would take Manning over him or not, but Manning doesn’t play Defense either and traditionally has had FAR worse Defenses and Special Teams to work with than Brady has. Again, I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin…
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but 0-3 the last 3 times out
and the first one was a Super Bowl where he led his team to the go ahead TD before Eli caught lightning in a bottle.
not buying it. It’s like saying Jeff Gordon is a horrible driver because of his stats the last few seasons. Can’t discount his record before the chase.
they are even
Manning and Brady are 9.5s
by rhettchrystal on Jan 18, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like that comparison for those two simply because Maddux is by FAR the better pitcher of the two
I’d say it’s more like Pettitte vs. Kevin Brown
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 19, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
SERIOUSLY...
Is there any rookie that’s coming out in this years draft that’s better than DG?
DG starts the next couple of years while the rookie masters the offense in practice (see Aaron Rogers) and than he shines…
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That requires patience
…of which I don’t see much in the comments to this post.
Its Garrard or Bust
There will be no pass even if a rookie starts. Garrard is going to start next season as he is JDRs best chance at making the postseason. Even if we draft a QB early on he will still sit because it is not in JDR’s best interest to start a rookie. That is actually a problem I have with Weavers ultimatum. Every decision regarding next season will most likely be made in terms of how can the Jaguars make the playoffs and not whats in the best interest of the Jaguars future. I personally would rather start a rookie if he shows he can start that way we can get the rookie experience to help him grow. The problem is that Garrard represents the best chance at making the playoffs. It comes down to chance at making the playoffs or preparing for the future and with Weavers ultimatum, Garrard will get the nod.
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The really scary thing in all this
is there’s a better than average chance that any QB drafted next year will NEVER be better than Garrard. And I’m not saying that because I think DG is so great. He’s a slightly above average QB. But the number of QB’s that turn out to be busts is exceptionally high….
But at least the writers here at BCC will be able to continue their weekly “It’s all DG’s fault” articles.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
I agree with your point, but why did you need that last line
It seems like you always have to take a shot at BCC in your posts. I mean you have great analysis and I like listening to what you have to say but when you throw out comments like that you just start fights between you, alfie and whoever and then the post gets flooded with 30 comments that have nothing to do with the topic.
"I’m going to punish him. If he hits me, fine, but if I catch him, believe me, I’m going to get the better shot." - Fred Taylor
Because there is only one thing I dislike about this site
and that is the weekly, sometimes more, bashing of David Garrard. He’s not great. We all know that. This team has FAR WORSE problems that get far less attention. And the biggest culprit, and I won’t mention any names, has been bashing him since he was in love with Byron Leftwich and it appears he’s still pissed off about the way that turned out.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
Stats do not tell the whole story.
They do not measure or reflect leadership, which this team is sorely lacking. A leader should be able to provide that spark to propell the team to greater achievement.
They do not measure quickness of thought or action (ie: compare DG to Rodgers),
or do they measure missed opportunities (ie: failure to see that open receiver in time).
Pass completion percentage is too dependent on the receiver. The elite QB’s have an ability to get more out of each player through their leadership, work ethic, and will to overcome obstacles. These are qualities that are not measured in the current stats.
leadership?
How can you tell leadership? Is it histrionics before the game? Leading the team in stretching?
you do know that Aaron Rogers is playing with EXCEPTIONAL talent at the WR spots and that
defense is solid with probowlers (Woodson, Matthews and the FS) and solid core players (Raji, Cullens, DB Williams) on it…
I’m not comparing Rogers to DG; clearly Rogers is the better QB, but the players around Rogers has a hand in why Rogers is better than Garrard.
I don’t know the Packers defense ranking, but I pretty sure it’s in the TOP 10…meanwhile, I’m hoping the Jags leap frog from the 20s to the 10s next season…THE ONLY WAY THE JAGS WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS…
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DG has to pass the torch sometime...
We need to draft a QB, but we also need to tighten up this defense. I was just reading this article by Gene Frenette about how a good defense can overshadow mediocre QB play and how a QB would need to be elite to overshadow a poor defense:
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No doubt..
If anyone thinks I don’t want us to draft a QB they got rocks in thier head.
I’m just tired of hearing DG isnt good and we need to get rid of him ASAP.. I think DG has 2 – 3 years of good playing in front of him (should his finger injury repair well). But that only gives us 1-2 years to bring in a fresh QB of the future.
Which is the way we should do it.. have them work under Garrard. Not drafts some hot shot rooking and stick him in first game of the year.
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by Charles Goin on Jan 18, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
I mean really.... who DOESN'T love cake?
You show me a guy who don’t like cake and prove to me he’s not communist.
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I'll let the McCarthyists determine your fate...
But that is not a false statement… pie is also delicious. But beware friends, pie, is in fact, dangerous. My wife’s apple pie made my buddy swear off his own grandma. True story… he made his sister promise not to tell the family.
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stick with Garrard..
He gives us the best chance to make the post season for the 2011 season. And isnt that the goal every year for all NFL teams? Someone made a point that playing a rookie QB might give the team or Del Rio a `pass` as not making the playoffs – I dont beleive that. IMO, Jacksonville has a lot of terrible fans that wont accept that. Not making the playoffs will just give more reason for Jaguars `fans` to bitch and moan about Del Rio and how terrible the Jags are.
I say take a QB in the 3rd round after the following is done
Resign OLB Durant and find a way to keep him HEALTHY…Get a an ascending player in FA (Eric Wright CB; solid corner needs a new team where he can flourish, MLB Barret Rudd or Tulloch from the Titans; etc)
DE/FS with its 1st and 2nd round pick
That should get the Jags defense to a respectable mid to low teens; helping in the quest to get the playoffs…
Get a third rounder and let him learn behind Garrard until he’s ready…meanwhile the Jags (as a team) will be in contender mode once the young QB is ready.
That’s how I see it.
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The way I see the QB situation
Playing out is we draft our franchise guy this year in whatever round it may be. I don’t understand what this waiting till the 3rd round is, if our guy is there we take him if it means trading up to get him. But I think Garrard is the most likely the starter for the season because he will give Del Rio the best chance to save his job.
by duuuvaaalll on Jan 18, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Correction
we draft a guy we HOPE can be our franchise guy. Look at how many teams have drafted multiple QB’s and still not found that franchise guy.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
For everyone who wants to hang onto Garrard as the starter this season
When do you transition to the new guy? Let’s say we make the playoffs this year. Do you give the new guy the job the year after that? If so, why? Garrard just got you to the playoffs. Why change then? Would Del Rio’s job be safe if he doesn’t make the playoffs the following year?
My point is that you have to make the switch at some point. You can’t hold onto the past, because it stunts future growth. Will Garrard give this team a better shot at making the playoffs this year? Sure. Is that what’s best for the Jaguars development? Probably not. Go out and get your guy while the crop is strong.
You transition to the guy when HE is ready
not just because the fans are unhappy with Garrard.
It’s no different that what GB did with Rodgers/Favre, SD did with Rivers/Brees or even PHI did with Kolb/McNabb – though the last one worked out a little differently than they expected.
DG is the best we have and help is not on the way. I realize he's not perfect, but I feel a lot better about him at QB than I do the O-Line, DB's, or LB's ability to cover a TE.
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