BCC Community Mock Draft: Pick #1
by CaliforniaJag on Jan 29, 2011 10:07 PM EST
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Right after the Senior Bowl seems as good a time as any to get this thing moving.
Here's the format:
The voting will be open for somewhere in the neighborhood of three days per pick. If it's obvious which player has been voted for the pick I'll close the voting and open the next one. Vote for the player YOU THINK THE TEAM WILL PICK, not who YOU would pick if you were the GM. The point of this is to have what BCC feels is an accurate representation of the picks leading up to Jacksonville's pick at 16.
You will have at least five choices to vote for per pick. If you feel someone should be in the choices that isn't there, post "Nomination for __________", and anyone who agrees with that nomination should rec that post. The player with the most nominations will take the spot of the player voted into the pick.
If there is a player on the list that you feel should not be on there yet, post "Remove ___________ from poll". If it gets a significant amount of recs and there are two nominations with significant recs, I will remove the named player and add both nominations to the next poll.
If you would like to vote for a player who isn't listed, post "Write-in vote for ___________". If the player you want to write in is already posted, please rec that post.
If we go fairly quickly, we can continue on and try to get to the Jaguars' second-round pick before the actual draft.
If you have any questions I'll be happy to answer them in the thread. With that all said, here we go!
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My guess is that it will come down to Fairley and Bowers…and that Fairley will prove just too talented to pass up for Carolina. They really do need a sure thing here with this pick…
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by ZeroIndulgence on Jan 29, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Who is the QB for Carolina?
That’s why it isn’t a joke.
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One year of Jimmy Claussen is there QB
and to be honest, it would be absurd to give up on him after one year for a guy who will take 2 or 3 years to develop
Claussen is a product of the ND hype machine
A team that is overexposed and underwhelming. I never bought him as NFL caliber. We will see, but even Carolina let him fall pretty far in the draft. Kiper may be a moron, but he had Claussen in the top 10 I think.
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by DownTownJax on Jan 30, 2011 5:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okay
This is a good spot to learn about the rec system…if you want to echo Alfie’s vote, rec his post voting for Newton.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 2:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
No please.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 30, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
I'll rec that
If Newton lights up his personal workout in Feb. and the combine, he could very well go #1 overall
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by Bestjagfan on Jan 30, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I say Bowers
I don’t see Fairley as a player the calibur of Suh and thus don’t feel he warrants a #1 overall pick.
HOWEVER, something tells me Seattle may do something stupid and work a trade (perhaps to the #1 spot) to get Locker. Just a hunch.
so. Nomination for Jake Locker
assuming some draft craziness occurs
by Joe Fisher on Jan 30, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wait til Pro Day and the Combine
Locker will be a workout warrior. Again, refer to Tebow last year. All it takes is one team being sold on what he can do with a lump of clay.
oh i will wait! im sure locker will make the vanilla combine throws. im sure he will be a workout warrior. he certainly was not nearly the best QB in a GAME situation yesterday. kapernick and ponder way out played him.
by chrisltr22c on Jan 30, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
good point
But I think Locker is gonna get extra attention and perhaps benefit of the doubt because of what he had to work with while at Washington. No matter how you slice it, carving up New Mexico doesn’t really wow folks.
If Seattle
Moves up to one or two, its probably more likely they do it to grab Bowers. They are desperate for a defensive end.
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Here's my thinking
Seattle offers Whitehurst and a 5th for Carolina’s pick, thus clearing the way for Locker to be Hasselbeck’s successor. They have stated that getting Hasselbeck signed is their top priority this offseason
Its possible
I was just falling into the trap of what I would do. If I’m Seattle, if I trade up at all, its for Bowers, who to me is a surefire superstar. He could be the safest pick in the draft.
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I highly doubt Carolina would give up the #1 pick for Whitehurst and a 5th-rounder
If it was Whitehurst and their 2012 they’d POSSIBLY consider it
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is going to be Fairley.
He has shown himself to be quite a disruptive force at the college level, and there is little reason to beleive it won’t continue in the NFL. Carolina has to start fresh, and defense at this stage seems like the more logical place to start rebuilding.
You know who graduated from the same high school as Fairley? Williamson High in Mobile
Jamarcus Russell
(food for thought)
I hope
You don’t think thats a real reason not to pick Fairley
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Not at all, just pointing out the irony
can you think of any other high school that could potentially have the top pick in 2 different drafts?
AND???
I attended high school with a guy that was selected 7th overall in the MLS draft (Justin Moose. DC United. 2006) a few years back and another guy that is doing federal time for selling drugs. By your logic I should be a drug-dealer that is good enough to play professional sports… please don’t compare people that walk through the same doors.
by Justin Plummer on Feb 1, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
Something I forgot to do
We need to do nominations for the next player added to the poll. Please post “nomination for ______” for the player you want to add for the next pick; if someone has already nominated the player you think should be added, rec their post.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 2:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Nomination for Von Miller
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 2:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That makes no sense.
A 3-4 only OLB in a 4-3?
He could play DE but we don’t do undersized speed rushers anymore.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 30, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly.
Miller can play in any scheme, he’s that much of a beast
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 30, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
We already have good LB's anyways
Plus we also already have a 3-4 OLB (Eric Norwood) that we use 50/50 as a DE/OLB.
Miller is not worthy of a #1 pick anyways.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 30, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I agree the Panthers don't need any linebackers
I was just saying he is non-scheme specific, he can literally play anywhere
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 30, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
we have
1 great LB and 2 fair LB’s we dont have a line up full of GOOD LB’s on this team at all.
by chrisltr22c on Jan 30, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Panthers, not the Jags
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 30, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Nomination means he's nominated to be put on the ballot for the NEXT round
If you rec my Miller post, you’re saying that when, say, Fairley is named the Panthers’ pick, Miller would replace him on the ballot.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
We have good DE's
People always said we would miss Peppers, but Charles Johnson had 3.5 more sacks on a team that was always playing behind for quite a lot less.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 30, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Nick Fairley is already preparing himself.
Calling oneselves “Nic Flair” and shouting “WOOOOOOOOOOO!” on Twitter means you have a good feeling about heading to Charlotte, NC.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 30, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions
Don't see how
I’m sure Carolina has been in contact with him or his agent AND he’s the Derrick Harvey of this draft, as in guy who had a great last season and a standout BCS game, but I imagine Rivera and his people are talking to at least 10 guys. I just have this idea that Fairley’s hot headedness will become his undoing as the scouts peel the onion and do their homework.
Ric Flair lives in Charlotte..................
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 30, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Never in his wildest dreams was Derrick Harvey as good as Nic Fairley was last year
That guy owned college football.
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Bowers over Fairley
simply based on game time sample size.
Bowers has been a force for 3 years. Teams have used extra blockers and schemes to slow him and he still made plays, year after year. Fairley has only played a year at such a high level. Yes, he had to sit behind Mt. Cody and such. But he’s originally an OG who was moved to DT after/at JUCO. He’s still new to the position in that sense as Bowers has always been a DE.
But depending on how each grades out at the combine and how enamored a coach/GM can become with a specific player, it’s a total guessing game.
But I still give the hat tip to Bowers. He has the film, the time in the film room, and all the rest.
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Nomination for A.J. Green
Carolina needs playmakers where ever they can get them. Nick Fairley is not Suh. I think people are confusing the two and thats why he is getting all of this love but he probably wont ever be a force like Suh already is. So with that and the fact that Green is without a doubt the best player in the draft,I think that he is the pick.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Jan 30, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
A.J. Green
Carolina’s offense was beyond abysmal last year. Coach Rivera needs to implement more talent on the offensive side of the ball to give whoever will be behind center more targets to throw to. Therefore, Mr. Green could definitley be a significant factor and candidate for the #1 pick.
by Tyler Kamarr Pearson on Jan 30, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Agree that Green is the best long term value for Carolina.
If Clausen bombs out, at least the new QB will have a fantastic target to throw to. The Carolina defence is not as horrible as everyone seems to be making out. Twentieth in yards given up in 2010? While playing too many minutes because the offence was so pitiful.
I am not sure that Fairley is deserving of the # 1 pick. I would rate him behind Marcell Dareus as a 4-3 DT. Dareus has a better history and is flexible enough to switch to DE.
I apologize if my instructions were a little confusing
This is where I got the inspiration for this format. If it’s too confusing I will just add the new player for the next round myself. Posting “nomination for __________” means you’re requesting that that player be added to the next poll when a player is voted into a pick.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Perhaps I will eliminate the “nominations” section and just put the players on there myself. Maybe we’ll do more like seven choices per round so we don’t miss anyone.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
At what point do you declare a "winner"?
Also:
How do the write in nominations factor in? At what point would they graduate to the larger ballot? Or do the recs alone count as the actual vote?
Seems like the voting would be easily skewed.
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I'm going to leave it open for about three days or so
The write-in votes are votes themselves. Likely, any player nominated as a write-in will be added to the next ballot. For example, when we do pick 2 the choices will likely be (given that it appears Fairley will win the #1 spot):
Da’Quan Bowers
Blaine Gabbert
Cam Newton
A. J. Green
Von Miller
Patrick Peterson
Prince Amukamara
And then a space for a write-in vote. I’ll try to put enough logical choices on there for each pick. The point of the nominations is to make sure a player you believe SHOULD be on the next poll is actually on there. You would nominate, say, Amukamara, if you wanted him to be on the next poll. Make sense?
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I went
Nick Fairley. DT is a big need, and like RJ said, Bowers would be more of a luxury pick, even if he is a slightly better player.
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We should do the community mock like last year....
It was enjoyable and gave everyone a chance to participate. What do ya say?
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I wasn't here last year,
so I have no idea how that worked. Does everyone not have a chance to participate this way?
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
I assume you mean this? That method is a lot less participation per person. There have already been 454 votes in less than a day on this, whereas the old way only allowed one person any input on each pick. This way is MUCH more community-centric.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the content that came from the old way
Each person had to spend some time researching a specific team, so it was pretty focused and people gave support to their choices. It let people with knowledge of other teams steer the discussion. Maybe we can do both?
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by DownTownJax on Jan 30, 2011 5:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not going to be in charge of that
I think this way is much, much better. The other way you could easily have a pick that one person makes that everyone else disagrees with. If Alfie wants to do that he’s welcome to do so, but I think this is a much better gauge of the community’s opinions than the other way was. People with knowledge of other teams are still welcome to steer the discussion in this format.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
I vote we speed it up
I’m bored.
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by viator on Jan 30, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, of course
I’m assuming you’re being sarcastic? This isn’t meant to be something that’s done all at once. Got to let people log on and get their votes in. We’ve gotten over 500 votes in less than a day; who knows what’ll happen in the next day or two. Perhaps all the Panthers fans will jump on here and vote for their own choice? Who knows.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 30, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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