The Jaguars should make a trade for Brandon Lloyd
by Alfie Crow on Oct 14, 2011 9:07 AM EDT
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If you haven't voted on the "Should the Jaguars trade for Brandon Lloyd" poll, please do so. Personally if I were the Jacksonville Jaguars, I would offer up a 4th round pick for Brandon Lloyd. The only teams named interested in trading for the Denver Broncos wide receiver are the Carolina Panthers and Tennessee Titans. For a team like the Titans, it's a stop-gap move to replace an injured Kenny Britt, who the Titans lost for the season. For the Jaguars, Lloyd would be a multi-year stop gap player.
Currently, Lloyd is making $1.395 million for 2011 and is a free agent in 2012. I would give up a 4th round pick for Lloyd, and then try to sign him to a 3-year contract similar to what the Jaguars gave to Mike Thomas, around $18 million with $7-9 million guaranteed. It's a gamble for a 30-year old wide receiver, but Lloyd finally hit his stride last season and is on pace for similar numbers this season. Lloyd would immediately be the best receiver on the Jaguars and free up coverage on Mike Thomas. Not only that, but it lets the Jaguars open 2012 with a potential lineup of Brandon Lloyd, Mike Thomas, a first round pick at wide receiver, Marcedes Lewis, and Maurice Jones-Drew to go with a 22-year old Blaine Gabbert entering his second season.
I don't think the Jaguars will be in play, but I can't think of a reason why they shouldn't be. We all know I'm not typically a "trade for this player!" person, but in this instance I think it would help the Jaguars not only this year, but the next 2-3 years. The Jaguars certainly have the cap room and if it's just a 4th round pick, the risk is minimal.
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Must use 4th round pick on high character guy
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 14, 2011 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
No injury concerns at all. Only missed one game last year
by youngnixx88788 on Oct 14, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Past 5 season he has only played in all 16 games, ONCE.
Does anyone know why? (Seriously, I don’t know)
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by floridafalcons#63 on Oct 14, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
got a better one
Word is the Colts may be shopping Reggie Wayne.
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I don’t believe the Colts are going to trade either Wayne or Mathis unless someone blows them away. More fishing than anything, and doubtful they’d send either within the division.
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I kinda wonder if Irsay has more to do with the machinations of the team than we are led to believe
His dad is the one who orchestrated the Elway for Hinton and Herrmann trade.
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Would we be able to give up a 5th?
We’ll most likely have a very high pick, so if it were a 4th, we could probably get him, but i dont know if I’d want to give up a fourth. I think it would be a solid trade, but I cant see Gene doing it.
Millions?!?
His contract is 2 Mil. If he was a free agent, you’d end up paying 20-30 mil. Better to get him now for 2mil
by youngnixx88788 on Oct 14, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We will give him a new contract
We won’t even trade a 5th rounder to get him for just the rest of this season.
Trade for him
I would send Denver a 4th Rounder without hesitation. I’d rather have Lloyd than another Rod Isaac or Larry Hart.
by Michael Tiscione on Oct 14, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions
Or Dillard
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by floridafalcons#63 on Oct 14, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Tough call there
Receivers typically take time to develop and Shorts is coming from a D3 school. I think he showed enough in preseason to keep him.
I like Dillard too though. Tough call
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grab Loyd….low salary for the year/will help offense and open up thomas,lewis and mojo! You cant beat this right now. I betcha Gabbert would happy. Thank you Michael
high character?
This team and city dosent have time to wait for another draft or sit around and pull some wr from the practice squad……i’d rather turn this season around which is possible!
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by floridafalcons#63 on Oct 14, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Should but will not
Yes the Jags should go after him. a third or fifth pick? Jags have failed to get value out of these picks. It would make too much sense to get him. Which is exactly why they will not go after him. Genes misses and failures to go after bargains like this are a lot of this teams problems.
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Mike Thomas? Pot Roast? Derek Cox? Lane? Rackley?
That’s just a flat out fallacious statement.
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Thomas is what makes me wonder about this trade
I would take another 22 year old Thomas caliber receiver if it were guaranteed…therein lies the problem.
nothing says you're locked into what you have ie. can't draft a wideout
Especially with the rookie scale. Cam Newton is making less than $30M for his contract. #1 overall QB, A Jeffrey or Blackmon will be top 5 best case making low $20M. Not all that cost prohibitive.
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I was more referring to the fact
that with our 4th round we would have a chance at a solid #2 or #3 for years to come. With Lloyd, we have +/- 3 years. It was just conjecture. Obviously, we won’t get Thomas every time.
Hell, if I had my druthers, I'd draft a fat ass offensive lineman 4th round
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Shorts was a 4th rounder
We’ve definitely used picks on receivers. I also think Dillard is better than he is given credit for. He catches the ball when he gets targeted, which is very important for a 4th or 5th guy on a team. He will look better and better whenever he starts playing more.
I think we need to take a future is now approach
The division is WFO especially with the key injuries to other teams -
Indy – Manning, Ijalana
Tex – Williams, Andre Johnson
Tenn – Britt and the slow start of CJ2K
Jax – Kampman and Jennings. Kampman is coming back though there’s doubt about how effective he’ll be and Jennings is a 2nd string back.
I still feel 8-8 will win this division and as Gabbert matures, why not us?
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That worked in 2008, right?
I think we need to take a future is now approach
by Fivus Viener on Oct 14, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
big difference
We have what we feel is a franchise quarterback who we drafted as such. Defense is playing well.
Also, in 2008, during the season, we adjusted on the fly because we had to (O linemen). This year, we’ve addressed most weaknesses with the exception of receiver.
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Pull the trigger....
Only way we dont make this trade is that the coaches and front officer thinks our season is over. but, if i have to wait for them to pick Fuller from A&M, Blackmond from OSU, or Jeffery from SC, then i will wait.
But, knowing my front officer, we will watch these guys fall off the board and pick a player from God knows where. C’Mon Gene. Make the move for your fans and teammates.
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FINALLY! I couldn't get on this site for 3 days! Anyone else?
And yes…I like Lloyd. Sign him Gene..
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 14, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I say save the picks. We aren’t going to be a contender for two years anyway. Our o-line needs help and we are going to grab a de and wr in the first two rounds. don’t forget our cb spot needs attention still too.
by Section242 on Oct 14, 2011 9:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
We need an Olineman
but we dont need to use two of our first three picks. You can find good lineman in the later rounds. I’d rather go receiver, CB, and DE and then grab a Lineman in the 4th. However, if value adds up at a pick, we all know Gene will take a Tackle or C.
That's why it makes sense
Get Lloyd now as a patch, then continue to do BAP through the draft so we’re not still starving for a WR
by youngnixx88788 on Oct 14, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Tebow gets named starter
Then Lloyd gets put on the block. He must hate Tebow, or think he sucks
saved Tebow's ass at the end of that game with that incredible catch.
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Tebow does suck
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 14, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Im on board
We need someone to catch the ball, ive seen too many dropped balls that Blaine put on the money, and too many times Blaine has gotten sacked because the wrs we have arent getting seperation.
by dan073eb on Oct 14, 2011 9:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lloyd was a 4th rounder in 2003. We could always draft our own 4th rounder and wait 7 years for him to develop, right?
Trade for the guy already.
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by Conservative on Oct 14, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
good point
so since we have lloyd of the future lets also get the lloyd of now.
Dammit just go out there and play to win and I'll be here to cheer!!!!
funny how both of those teams will have a rookie qb next year
and they are trying to get a WR for them.
Titans for that matter also
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I just meant young guys. My bad
but they will both have second year players who are still learning the game.
the only problem is is hes gonna want a huge contract
hes in his early 30s so this will be his last pay day. he led the league in receiving last year too and at the negotiating table thats huge. hed walk from the jags after this season cuz he would want sydney rice type numbers. i gurantee it
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Rice is young though
he has no bargaining for that type of deal because of his age. He may WANT that money, but he won’t get it. A thomas type of deal is fair, and he will have a chance to be on a winning team most likely over the next three years hear. He also doesnt have income tax, which is nice.
Rice in my view is damaged goods
Hip surgery last year
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It’s highly doubtful he doesn’t have a new deal in place when he’s traded.
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thats why he wont get traded to us
we arent gonna put up the money to get him. hes gonna sit at the negotiating table knowing this is the last big deal he’ll get and demand a top tier contract. something around 35 to 40 million. he probably wont get one but he’ll get close to it. i just cant see him taking a 15 to 20 million dollar contract at the end of his career after leading the league in receiving last year. if he does his agent sucks. i just pray to god his agent DOES suck cauce i would love to have him on our team i just dont think itll happen
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by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 14, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Something now > Nothing later
He’s not going to lead the league in anything if he stays in Denver with that offense.
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yeah but he'll just wait it out this year then leave
and either sign a big contract and get his payday(if hes that type of player)
or go to a good team that will win soon(if hes that type of player)
if he already had a contract out till 2015 id say wed get him but with him not having a contract he holds all the leverage cuz he could just refuse to sign a deal with a team he doesnt want to be traded to
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by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 14, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
What if his stats take a nose dive this year, which they probably will given the offense the Broncos will run now.
Then does he still get a huge pay day?
He actually holds zero leverage, but because he’s under contract.
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true his stats are gonna drop
but he’ll just blame it on quarterback play. i know it sounds like im making every excuse to why they wont sign him but thats exactly what his agent is going to say to try to get every cent out of his clients last contract. cents that the jaguars arent gonna fork over
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by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 14, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok, let’s pretend your Brandon Lloyd and I’m a team GM.
Me: Why should we give you $30M? Yeah you led the league in receiving in 2010, but in 2011 you didn’t come close to that.
Lloyd: We had a new quarterback who stunk.
Me: Well, if you were worth the $30M you would have made him better. You would have had more than one good season, too.
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ok well then if you dont want me ill sign with someone who does.
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now if ^^^that happens with all the nfl teams he visits he will lower his asking price but i dont see that happening
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by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 14, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Lloyd Highlight - LOL
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by iodrew on Oct 14, 2011 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Now thats funny.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Oct 14, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was a Monkey See Monkey Do moment
I mean the ref did duck too…
by The Rickness on Oct 14, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He's better than Sorry Ass Shorts.
But Gene won’t do it because….well remember how long he kept his son Don Juan Carey?
The Jags could really use him if produced just half of what he did last year
but he is three years younger than Jerry Porter who was signed by the Jags three years ago and produced nothing due to injuries. This has Jerry Porter written all over it – one last payday. I hope I’m wrong for whoever gets him.
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I understand.
It’s just that the Jags have gotten screwed by free agents in the past, although, this year has been good. I’d just hate to see them gamble too much.
I'd rather be golfing.
we're doing pretty well thus far with free agents
Last WR we gambled on was Holt and he served his purpose but he was well past his prime. I imagine if he had a qb worth a damn he’d have done better and not been shut down the last 4 games in ’09.
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 14, 2011 10:49 AM EDT reply actions
Que?
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 14, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
lol trade for him
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by Pocket Hercules on Oct 14, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Lloyd not really an exciting player.
I just don’t see a very good player here.
When watching the Broncos, I have never really thought of Lloyd as a playmaker. His career stats support that observation. Out of an eight year career, he’s only caught more than 40 balls in three seasons. And many of those seasons were spent in the pass-happy NFC, so that stat should be higher. Less than 40 balls a season averages to barely two catches a game. So he had a big year last year. I suggest caution on freak stat years like that. Ex-Jaguar Reggie Williams had an odd statistical season where he caught a bunch of touchdowns. But we wouldn’t want him back on the team. It seems to me that Lloyd had one of those weird stat years last year, and in general, is just another Jason Hill type. Nothing fancy, just a body. Not a playmaker. This trade is a dud and we shouldn’t do it.
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I don’t understand how you can claim to have watched the Broncos and not thought of Lloyd as a playmaker. He had 9 catches over 40 yards last year. He is on pace for 1,200 yards this year, despite the Broncos offense being God awful.
Spent time in the pass happy NFC? Huh?
Nothing fancy? Just a body? Not a playmaker?
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I am with you on this one
Even before Lloyd was established as a legitimate NFL starter (and well before becoming an upper echelon player) he was still a highlight reel guy. I know because I lived in VA and saw a lot of ’Skins games.
Lloyd has brilliant body control and makes spectacular catches look routine. He has always done that. Now he is an excellent route runner with good awareness, consistent hands, deep speed, and goes hard every play.
I don’t know what some people have been watching, but the man would help this team in a huge way and might give Blaine a security blanket to lean on while he figures out how to be an NFL QB.
That said
I am not optimistic the brass will pursue him
Yea
I really like a lot of what Gene brought to this organization. And I am a big fan of the offseason acquisitions.
I think Coleman and Lowery were particularly shrewd moves that are paying off.
I don’t want to second guess their failure to go after a wideout too much, but in this situation, with a proven player – who is also a late bloomer and has minimal wear and tear on his body at a (relatively) low-contact position – potentially available at a bargain price, I just don’t see the logic in not making a play.
It is frustrating that they appear uninterested. I suppose there is some reasoning there, and maybe they still believe in Jason Hill, but he is just nowhere near as dynamic a player.
Agreed.. If just by going on last year.. lloyd is the real deal....
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 15, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
did you see the catch he made on sunday?
the guy has playmaking ability
He's a young 30.
He’s fast, fluid and has good hands. Get him. Give a pick and give him reasonable money. Instant upgrade, and we can put Cecil on PS.
Make the Trade
Cam has S. Smith/Dalton has A.J Green
They are considered to be performing well as rookie QB’s. I think that if we want to accurately asses Gabbert as our QB of the future I say give him a receiver. If I were Gene I would want to know what my QB is capable of with weapons before I draft a Stud receiver like Blakmon or the Jeffery guy when my offensive line needs help and have a need for a pass rusher. I think having an actual “THREAT” will help eliminate a lot of what if’s going forward.
by floridaboiterk on Oct 14, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
Will Jags even take a look?
IF they don’t I think that would sum up all thats wrong with this organization
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AT highest I'd trade a 3rd
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I wouldnt go for it
I’m all in with Jeffery
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 14, 2011 3:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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The Jags have been demolished all season and are gonna have the #1 pick, why trade picks when they’ll be high picks? smh (Sarcasm)
But seriously, I think they should consider it and make a 4th round offer. Your rookie QB can never have too many weapons. They need a receiver that wants to and will catch the ball. He is 30 but he just figured out how to use all that talent, so maybe its a young 30, a 2-3 contract couldn’t hurt.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 14, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
They should go for him
It makes perfect sense. We have a rookie QB surrounded by developing players at WR (not bad players in my mind, but not the type of guy that can ease a rookie’s transition)
Lloyd is a playmaker. But I would be shocked if they made it happen.
I think the Jags should trade for Josh Cribbs
he would be a big boost to the ST with his return ability. The Jags Defense is very active; causing a ton of punts per game…getting Josh would allow the Jags to win field position. Plus, he’s a serviceable WR. 2 for 1…get a stud in the draft…the WR from SC…
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