NFL Trade Rumors: Jaguars not interested in Brandon Lloyd?
by Alfie Crow on Oct 15, 2011 8:47 AM EDT
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PrintIn some "news" that's not really all that surprising, Gene Frenette of the Florida Times Union tweets that he's heard the Jacksonville Jaguars are not interested in pursuing Denver Broncos wide receiver Brandon Lloyd.
Lot of Jags fans won't like this, but my feedback indicates team not interested in acquiring Broncos WR Lloyd
Tania Ganguli followed up his tweet, mentioning that she had heard the same and then added:
Lloyd hasn't been especially productive outside last season and has other issues that are keeping the Jaguars away.
I don't know what the "other issues" are specifically, but I know in the past Lloyd was kind of viewed as a turd, attitude wise. I haven't gotten anything back from my sources on Lloyd other than "I don't know," but as I mentioned when this thing was initially brought up, it's doubtful the Jaguars were going to pursue him. However, I'm sure the Jaguars don't want to see Lloyd wind up somewhere like Tennessee and be productive.
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do not pick up this guy!
very overrated. only 1 good year. He thinks he is all world. Send him to the Raiders
"Franco made that play because he never quit on the play. He kept running, he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle."
They don't want to risk a 4th rounder
on a 30 year old receiver who has had one extremely productive NFL season…
they’d rather use it on Richard Wick , a proven team captain….
Go Big or Go Home!
If not Lloyd, then who!? 30 yrs old isn’t over the hill….he would be the sure number 1…….Jimmy Smith stated yesterday that M80 is a number 3…….
by orecic76 on Oct 15, 2011 9:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Lloyd
Would be a great pickup. Dude makes circus catches that would help out Gabbert.
Too bad Gene is still trying to make an example of the ’08 team. Its a shame he feels he has to do that.
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I never expected them to pursue this
The Jags have really moved on from older players and started the young player movement which I can’t really blame them for.
by Jags85 on Oct 15, 2011 9:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Gene not stocking talent for 2012
Even Gene knows he won’t be back next year so why bother trading for talent that will only make the new GM and new HC look good.
Come on man
Posts like these are starting to piss me off. U dont know anything about Gene do you? Just go on making horribly incorrect assumptions. Ok we dont.trade for a 30 year old with attitude problems. We are not going anywhere this year so why would we trade a future pick for someone who will.leave after this season?
SCALP'EM
Jesus is Lord!
by Thunder64 on Oct 15, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wouldn't leave after the season
You trade him, and sign him. Based on Mike Thomas contract you could offer him 3 years / $22-25 million. You still draft Blackmon/Jeffery and you’ve finally got offensive weapons for your stud QB to throw to.
How do u no hes a stud WR?
He had one good year out of 10
SCALP'EM
Jesus is Lord!
by Thunder64 on Oct 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think thats an absurd statement
Gene obviously has his reasons for not trading for this guy. Just because you disagree doesn’t mean he is not trying to build this team the right way. A 4th round pick might not seem like a lot to give up considering that you usually don’t get starters in the 4th round. But Gene has proven that he doesn’t mind trading picks to move around in the draft to get his guy. So that 4th rounder we would give up for a WR on the wrong side of 30 could be used to get something much better.
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by duuuvaaalll on Oct 15, 2011 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's also traded his fourth rounder for a player to help out
Kirk Morrison was a fourth round pick trade. Gene’s not a great judge of NFL talent either. Either he and/or Del Rio thought it was a good idea to stick with this WR corps, also thought it was a good idea to keep Matt Turk in a panic move because they didn’t expect Podlesh to leave. Kampman’s a nice guy but he’s seemingly spending more time on the injured list than actually on the field (and yes that can be attributed to possibly a poor medical staff in evaluating injured talent)
Obviously...
you aren’t a good judge of NFL talent either. It’s always going to be funny to me that fans think they know more than the professionals.
Hey...
I never said anyone was always right. But I do believe the one who is better informed is in a better position to make the decisions.
Agreed, I will always trust a professional rather than a fan in any situation it it was between the two.
It makes no sense to trust what a fan knows than what someone who gets paid to do a job, thus having more resources than most fans. No one thinks that pros are always right, but no one should think that fans are always right either.
by Demetrius82 on Oct 15, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, but you’re statement intimated that the pros aren’t wrong.
Sometimes you don’t need to be in the know to know something is a mistake.
I don't see how...
you could derive that from my comment. It had nothing to do with who is right and wrong, at least I didn’t mean it to, but more so to do with how we as fans talk, at times like we know more than the people who are making the decisions.
The only mistake I think that has been made out of the topics that Bryqan was discussing was the Turk situation.
How did the Jag's medical staff have any idea Kampan would tear his OTHER acl
And you shouldn’t cut him for it until you Fully know how he’ll come back/respond from this injury. He’s only played a few snaps in a preseason game and it hasn’t even been a year removed from his injury
by Jags85 on Oct 15, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
all true but
if we don’t pick him up cause he’s had only 1 productive year, or that he’s got an attitude problem why not get him to be a pain in the but for tennessee just so they don’t get him. not to mention yes the colts have failed without manning but what the colts do to keep manning solid is get him weapons. and is a forth round pick that important especially if we get the first pick in the draft (assuming we win only a couple more games, and the other 0-4 teams get it together) then you get the kings share like Cleveland did last year when they got a boat load of draft picks from atlanta. and that would set us up for the next 3 drafts at least and with a new GM to pick top players and not just players with a clean record we would be solid.
by only jags fan in orange on Oct 15, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
Gene is getting fired?
I don’t understand why people think this is going to happen
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 15, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
9/10th of the people on here
are wondering the same thing.
by JagSoldier on Oct 15, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well technically it would be termed not re-signing him
Because I believe hes currently on a one year deal/last year of his contract. I really would be very, very stunned if he want brought back for next season/extended
by Jags85 on Oct 15, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hell he was just named one of the top 5 GM's
By other GM’s
If the Jaguars beat the Steelers I will record my self singing "Living La Vida Loca"
while dressed as the cowboy from "Village People"
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 15, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand why people would be "stunned" if he’s not brought back, he’s done nothing to earn a new contract.
Gene Smith, and every front office person/coach except for Del Rio are on the final year of their deal. I don’t think that’s an accident, either.
I personally don’t think he’s back.
The one year deal does make sense if you plan on getting rid of someone
But I think Gene has done a good job so far. Has he made some mistakes and questionable moves? Yes, but every GM has also. I think hes made some good decisions and hes been trying to build this team the right way. Agree with me or not I think he should be given 2 more years.
by Jags85 on Oct 15, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Personally?
I would. I like what I’ve seen from him so far. But again, its just my personal opinion. I honestly dont know if he’ll be back as does anyone else
by Jags85 on Oct 15, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like how hes rebuilding the O and D line. He has possibly drafted a franchise QB and made good decisions as far as free agent signings with exception to Turk and some exception to Kampman but I totally wouldn’t right that off yet. Hes by no means been perfect by some of his picks/selections and some of his questionable traded picks. But hes brought in guys with talent, strong work ethic, and high quality as far as on/off the field. So Alfie are you opposed to bringing him back? Who are some possible replacements for him?
by Jags85 on Oct 15, 2011 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's done nothing to earn a new contract?
Damn Alfie, I’m shocked by that statement. As Jags85 said, he hasn’t been perfect but I think he’s earned the opportunity to finish his four year plan that he set out to achieve. I mean he’s built a respectable defense, drafted our QB of the future and has started re-tooled our offensive line. That has to count for something. I’ve said these things before and I stand by them which is to say that I think he is back for the aforementioned reasons.
What has he done that would make you want to re-sign him to a new contract?
He built a respectable defense by shelling out tons of cash in free agency.
He hasn’t done a bad job, but it’s not like he’s done a great job either. You shouldn’t reward mediocrity. Other GM’s have done more faster with less. If guys like Monroe, Britton, Alualu, etc. don’t make major strides in the next 11 games you have to seriously question his drafting ability.
Could you give an example of more with less?
GM Gene’s success is and should be based on the Gabbert pick. I think it would be foolish of Weaver to cut Gene after only three years. I like where this team is going and do not want to see it blown up.
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by duuuvaaalll on Oct 15, 2011 1:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it would be foolish to give Gene Smith a contract extension based on a rookie quarterback.
The team won’t be “blown up”. It will have it’s massive glaring holes filled. Not only that, but you’re blowing out the coaching staff at the end of the season. Re-signing Gene Smith before choosing a coach limits your options, especially if Weaver wants to go after a big-time coach rather than trying to find another unknown coordinator.
I'm not saying they should give him an extension because he drafted a rookie QB
I’m saying that if extended his tenure will be defined as a success or failure based on if Gabbert pans out. Gene Smith should get an extension based on what he’s done and where you project him taking this team. Now this is only his third year as GM so it’s difficult to thoroughly evaluate his performance up to this point. Personally I like what he’s done and where this team is going so I would extend him.
And usually when a team brings in a whole new coach and GM they do do a good bit blowing up to bring in their guys. Not to mention they would have to be Gabbert guys or this franchise is set back another 3 years.
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by duuuvaaalll on Oct 15, 2011 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The problem is, this roster isn’t stocked as is. There’s not a lot of blowing out to do. It has some building blocks, but overall there’s not much especially offensively. If Gabbert is terrible the rest of the way and another quarterback is picked, it wouldn’t set them back that far, especially considering they’d have a whole new staff. The new rookie pay scale doesn’t force you to play a first round pick 3-4 years anymore.
What has he done that would make you extend him though? Just saying “I like what he’s done” doesn’t say a whole lot.
The problem with signing Gene Smith on the “projection” of what he’s done, is after 3 full seasons he hasn’t done much at all. The team’s spun it’s wheels and now hit the reset button in his third year. Not to mention the biggest holes on the team (WR/DE) are still the biggest holes on the team.
If he was under contract, I wouldn’t say fire him. I just don’t think he’ll be brought back.
I guess the difference in our opinion is that I think we are closer than
Our record might indicate. When I look at the team as is, forget about who was drafted/free agent/trade I see a D that despite lacking a dominant D-end is good enough to get us to the playoffs. The core of which is still in their prime. Guys like Knighton, Alualu, Cox, Landry, Mincey, Posluszny etc. On offense we just drafted a franchise QB so everything else will settle in place. With another offseason if we can get a good couple of WR I see no reason why we won’t be playoff contenders for the next couple of seasons.
Maybe my being a fan has influenced my optimism but I feel we are close and Gene has gotten us here so I would extend him.
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by duuuvaaalll on Oct 15, 2011 2:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who would you want to replace Gene with?
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 15, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I generally respect your opinion...
but you have to site me an example of other GM’s doing more, faster. I’m not one for blind devotion so if you can prove to me that somebody would really be better as the director of personnel, I’d be behind it.
And you can’t say that he built a respectable defense just by shelling out money in free agency. At this point, the defense is built around Terrance and Tyson and neither of them came in free agency. Actually he only shelled out big money to Kampman, Poz, Session and Landry and there is no way they are the only reasons the defense is respectable again.
Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Buffalo. I don’t need to prove someone would be better, because there’s no way to prove that. But as it stands, Gene Smith has been average. It shouldn’t take 3+ years to re-build a team if you’re a good general manager. Gene Smith tried to re-tool a team that wasn’t very good rather than actually rebuilding it. That’s his fault. Remember, this was billed as a possible playoff team by just about everyone heading into the season.
Sure I can. The biggest changes on defense were at safety and linebacker, all picked up via free agency or trade. Knighton and Alualu are nice players, but this defense is not built around them. He shelled out money to Kampman, Roth, Session, Posluszny, Landry, Coleman, and traded for Lowery. The team still doesn’t have a dependable pass rush, and the best pass rusher was already on the team when Gene Smith took over. Heck I mean, I was saying to go sign Posluszny and Session, it’s not like they were some genius pick ups.
by Alfie Crow on Oct 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Two of those teams drafted the QB early
And everyone knows that once you have the man rebuilding goes by a lot quicker. I’m not going to fault Gene for not trading away the farm to grab a QB when we weren’t in position to get one. And Buffalo has hardly done a better job of drafting than us and they’ve had higher picks. Its just Fitzpatrick is playing very well and so the team is having some success. But I would disagree that any of those teams, especially Buffalo has done more with less.
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by duuuvaaalll on Oct 15, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well, who’s fault is it for waiting until the final year of their contract to get a QB? Genes.
Buffalo’s drafts have been fantastic, outside of C.J. Spiller under Nix.
The problem is, you’re highly overrating Gene Smith’s drafts. He’s drafted a bunch of average players outside of Knighton and Alualu.
Really Buffalo's drafts have been fantastic under Nix
he’s had 2 drafts as their GM, hardly enough time to rate either way, but taking a glance at them I’d hardly call them fantastic, especially considering the Spiller pick.
And are you kidding me with that “who’s fault is that” line? It’s not like he’s waited 5 years since getting promoted. It’s his 3rd draft and we are talking about the most important position in football. Gene has passed on one QB who shown any signs of being a franchise guy and that is Josh Freeman.
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Does anyone know what’s really going on with R. Jennings as far as him being healthy?
by orecic76 on Oct 15, 2011 1:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
He is apparently going to be cleared this week, but he is on IR so it really does not matter. I wish they would have been able to put him on PUP but he had already participated in training camp so he was either going to have to sit out 6-8 weeks into the season, or be put on IR. They opted to put him on IR.
Personally I’m with Alfie on this one. I have not been all that impressed with gene’s moves. I will admit a year ago i was really digging where things were headed but I look now and say hmm. That hmm has nothing to do with our record. Heck I expected our current record just the way he has drafted or handled personnel decisions. The only reason I am still on the fence with gene is because I keep asking what would have happened had gabbert not been available? What would have been gene’s original plan going into this past years draft and if grabbing gabbert changed the whole game plan which is the reason for shelling out ao much cash to grab those free agents.
by Section242 on Oct 15, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
im kinda hmm too
Though I expect gene to stay, just a feeling. I’m a little tired of how he operates but he won points with me for alualu and pot roast. I’m a lean-give gene an extension for 2 or 3 years
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 15, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My whole thing is:
Eugene Monroe isn’t playing like a Top 10 pick, an OK LT right now.
Eben Britton is just an average player who may have been beaten out at RT by Whimper.
Derek Cox is solid, but not worth giving up the 2nd round pick.
Terrance Knighton is very good.
Jarrett Dillard is back up token WR on rushing downs.
Mike Thomas is a good player, but forced out of position because Gene Smith has ignored WR.
Zach Miller is all talk, no substance, then gets injured.
Rashad Jennings is a good player, but we got lucky he slipped (he was a hyped player in the draft).
Tiquan Underwood – waste of a pick
Tyson Alualu – good player, down year now because of his knee
D’Anthony Smith – never now, possible career injury
Austen Lane is nothing but a depth player.
Larry Hart – cut
Deji Karim – kick returner, ineffective as a RB
Scotty McGee – cut, waste of a pick
In order for me to justify signing Gene Smith to a new deal, these players must significantly show improvement by the end of the season. Trading up to draft for the consensus 1/2 QB in the 2011 draft who slide doesn’t earn one. I mean, how much did I scream they basically had to take a QB in the first round this year? It was an obvious move that had to be made.
He hasn’t really done anything special and basically drafted safe players. That’s how you wind up not drafting complete busts, but you also wind up with a bunch of average players.
by Alfie Crow on Oct 15, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just want to reiterate: If Gene Smith was under contract, I wouldn’t call for him to be fired. I’m not saying he’s done a bad job, just an average job.
I don’t have a name for a better replacement, but I don’t think Gene Smith does anything special we’d miss.
I admit that I was a fan
Of the base hit theory. But now I’m thinking you need to swing for the fences every now and then.
by JagSoldier on Oct 15, 2011 7:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good points
Looking at his body of work, its kinda ehh. I just need some names of better alternatives before I go with his ouster.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 15, 2011 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
1 thing that he has ignored is the fact that we are not a very popular teen spirit nobody wants to come and play force that includes draft picks
I know it sounds dumb but we need to do more to reach out to the media so that we are a bit of a more popular team. Gene does not do anything for that
by JagSoldier on Oct 15, 2011 7:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
?
he’s not worth it? We sign mike thomas to a 3 year extension for 19 million dollars, same with owen…not sure how much whick i really dot care… which i havent seen in a while and neither are worth thats kind of money…give me a break…i’ve been a loyal fan since the beginning but our front office is lost in the sauce! once again i was callin out play that were fixing to be ran on offense…its very obvious at times…mojo was wrong when he said put it all on the players! del rio and Gene can stay get rid of dirk! Alfie please quit commenting….i know your a writer for this site but you really should stick to someting else…not sure what maybe baseball…its a slow sport..hehe
It's late for this post but needs to be said.
Not one of you on here has said anything about the true problem. Coaching! Seriously, Gene can bring in every “name” you guys want, but our coaching staff will not use their talents accordingly and they will regress. With a few slight exceptions, like Cullen, Duffner, and Byner, this coaching staff is horrible! They can not develop anyone, and that is not Gene’s fault. I say extend Gene, give him a staff that knows how to develop his players that he brings in and then lets see what this roster can do. I believe the talent is there but is being wasted. That’s what I want to see, a new coaching staff that can teach ala a Mike McCarthy staff or a Sean Payton staff. Someone like Brian Schottenheimer or Mike Zimmer from Cincy.
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