Strong second half performance not enough in 17-13 loss to Steelers
by Adam Stites on Oct 16, 2011 7:11 PM EDT
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After the first 19 minutes and two seconds of the game the Steelers had jumped out to a 17-0 lead. A 46 yard field goal from Josh Scobee cut the lead to 14, but the Steelers went into halftime with a comfortable two score lead on the back of 315 yards of offense compared to just 68 yards by the Jaguars.
The Jaguars did their best to make things interesting in the second half though, recording 141 yards of offense, including an 18 yard touchdown pass from Blaine Gabbert to Jason Hill at the end of a 17 play drive to cut the lead to a single score. The Jaguars defense stifled the Pittsburgh offense, allowing just three first downs and 55 yards of offense.
Ultimately, the Jaguars offense couldn't do enough in the 4th quarter to get the win. Following two consecutive three and out drives, the Jaguars managed to get in field goal range when Gabbert hit Marcedes Lewis for a 21 yard gain, but the drive again stalled and the Jaguars settled for another Scobee field goal with 4:22 remaining.
In a last ditch effort, Gabbert and the Jaguars drove the ball to the 48 yard line of the Steelers, but were unable to come away with a desperation hail mary heave.
Here are a few positives/negatives off the top of my head:
Positives:
- Cameron Bradfield played very well at left tackle and could have a legitimate future with the Jaguars.
- John Chick gets off the line extremely fast and beat Max Starks on two crucial 3rd down plays that both resulted in sacks.
- Nick Harris isn't terrible
- Greg Jones > LaMarr Woodley
Negatives:
- Will Rackley isn't ready to be a starting player in the NFL yet. He gets beat often and was responsible for a crucial sack on the final drive.
- If that's a healthy Aaron Kampman, then he has lost all burst off the line. The Jaguars should just stick with Chick and Mincey on pass rushing downs.
- Cecil Shorts is probably done returning punts. He allows the ball to bounce far too often.
RIP Dan Wheldon
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haahhaha woodley got lucky bc nobody block him you piece of s**t
get the f**k off of the jags message board, and yeah tell that lil b****h lamar if he wants it again jones wont mind handeling that lil boy
Finally some Jags fans who get it and don't kiss other teams fans ass'..
And then they run back to their blogs and tell their friends how week we all are and we don’t stick together.. I stalked those fools today and they were talking all kinds of smack..If you ain’t JAGS F#@$ OFF..Thats how I feel..
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 16, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
You got your panties in a bunch
over a HATE GUIDE, which is what we do every week. You were the one who started talking shit on OUR blog.
17-13
What? Haha Great you sacked a rookie QB 5 times and we have 2 starters on our O-LIne..
And you beat a 1-5 team by 4 points.. You won’t even make the playoffs this year.
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 16, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We had three defensive starters out, two on the d-line and the other being the best OLB in the game. You got lucky that the score wasn’t 21 points higher.
17-13. Cry some more.
OK you won... It's all good... I'll put money on the steelers not making the playoffs..
We are rebuilding… Your team is just old… Your overrated….
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, our defense is old. So what?
We have great, young players ready to step in at every position except for SS, FS, and NT. Two, maybe three of those positions will be addressed in the upcoming draft, so the defense won’t be old for long.
lol...
you’re rebuilding?
when do the Steelers rebuild?
since 1970, there have been 7 losing seasons….7!…
and the “old” defense…guess what..there’s someone in line for almost every position.
There are some weaknesses coming up. But that’s what next years draft is for, and the year after that.
Keisel will be good for at least 3 years,Hood is ready to go when Hampton steps down Hoke found the fountain of youth.
Smith is done, but Heyward is already ready to take over. Got replacements in line for Farrior and Harrison (Harrison in 3-4 years).
Rookie or second year corners ready to step up soon (Lewis, for one)
Taylor’s got 3-4 years left, Gay, and McFadden should be out of the NFL but whatever
The two safety spots are really the only two positions not spoken for
The Jags rebuild…The Steelers reload
I love the way the Steelers have built their team
They always have someone new ready to take over as soon as a player gets too old or stop playing well. Thats what they are trying to do here but its just to bad some of our “fans” can’t see it.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 17, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
the thing that bothers me about your team
is sometimes it seems like your owner just don’t give a fuck. I don’t have intimate details, it just seems that way. Maybe they are changing things, it would be nice. Last year in the uncapped year, didn’t they pretty much have a fire sale of defensive players? Maybe they have a plan, and if so, i’ll acknowledge it, but it just seams like old man Weaver couldn’t possibly care less, he still gets PAID
I think he cares
but has been burned by the signing a bunch of FA thing a couple times before. They gutted the team and are building it back up with young players, so that they can be good for a while, not just one good season then two bad ones then two good ones. They want stability and to be a constant contender and they kind of have to take their lumps while they try to build that. I think he knows that for the long term future of the team, they have to go thru this now in order to reach that.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 17, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Theres not a whole left to say.
I hate to be negative but I do not think we will win next week either. It is what it is fellas. Maybe its the losses talking but the more and more I look at this team I weaknesses where I thought there were strengths. I guess Im taking the teal shades off.
Not only is the team taking one in the chin
But so are the fans. Losing Sucks. The Jags just can’t put it together and the end result is a (embarrassing) 1-5 record. The really crappy thing is that we have EVERY opportunity in the world to have a shot at the division and we can’t win ONE game!!! The Famous Jim Mora rant comes to my mind…“Playoffs?! Playoffs!!! I’m just hoping we can WIN A GAME!!!”. I think unfortunately bc of all the losing theres a bad feeling and mood amongst the Jags fan base.
by Jags85 on Oct 16, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
AK played?
I didn’t even notice him.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Oct 16, 2011 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
As for others
Nick Harris played 10x better than Turk. The team is there but the offensive play calling sucks. The recievers don’t help much.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Oct 16, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we should start
running more. Run to set up the pass. Go back to the Garrard gameplan, until the receivers and QB can’t become more reliable.
No kidding...
it was nice not worrying about the punter today. I had a problem with the personnel on the field moreso than the playcalling. Why do they continue to take MJD out of plays where Deji is running it? He poses no threat whatsoever in running between the tackles.
he's not mjd, so why keep him
plus he went to a small school, so double minus
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
just a lil hint
there a very select few on mjds level, hes a backup for a reason, what trade rashad jennings too?
What? no way.
They just need to draft from bigger schools and they will get another one
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't even try to have a convo with that guy.. He is a smarmy kid..
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 16, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW!!!
if this isn’t the pot calling the kettle black idk what the hell is..lmao
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My only hope.
Is that you will shut up one day and not make all us Jags fans look like douches… until then, carry on.
"...I'm not trying to act giddy but the guy is a stud.'' - Terry McDonough, Director of Player Personnel, Jacksonville Jaguars
You do that well for your self kiddo..
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
You sir are high right now
Littering annnnnnnnnnnnd…. littering annnnnnnnnnnd….
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
That's two times in the last week
That you’ve called some high after citing a stat. Karim was more productive per touch. It’s not an argument. It’s a fact.
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by Adam Stites on Oct 16, 2011 9:26 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
No, the statistic is a statement of fact of average yard per touch
It is not a statement of fact that he was more productive.
What was the situation? Was it third and 15 and he got 8 on a draw skewing an average because he gets far fewer touches? Does Deji Karim really make a single play that MJD would not make to make you want him in any single situation over Maurice Jones Drew? One?
Nope. Therefore you must be high. lol… see how that works?
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
Wait, are you counting returns in that statistic?
NFL.com says MJD averaged 4.4yds per carry Deji was at 4.2, also Deji had no receiving yards. MJD was 2 for 8 receiving putting him at 4.3 ds per touch while Deji was 4.2. What am I missing?
Per touch
does include returns, so I cheated a little. But even without the returns, there’s very little difference between 4.2 and 4.3 yards per touch
And this too...
I have yet to see Karim make a play where I said, Man I’m glad he was out there instead of Maurice.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
Jaguars.com hasnt posted any post game videos yet. Oesner is the epitomy of whats wrong with this team. lol
Vic would never had allowed this crap.
But we get to hear Cole Pepper
Tell us 58 times this week how we are still in the race for the division at 1-5 bc everyone lost this week and we are only 2 games out…
by Slawsc on Oct 17, 2011 1:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed on everything
I was surprised at how well Bradfield played, I expected a lot of pressure allowed because its Gabbert’s blindside as well as it being the Steelers. I want to see Chick get a little more playing time, I think he has earned it.
Rackley isn’t ready to be in there starting, and I think they should use Shorts in the position they drafted him for and stop trying to force him into being a punt returner.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
I think
Shorts should sit on the bench for a while, till he earns his trust. At this point I see Dillard getting open and catching passes thrown his way.
defintely agree
and unlike the rest he isnt scared to go across the middle
I'd rather see what Shorts can do in the spot that they picked him for
He isn’t a good punt returner, they need to eliminate that from his plate and let him play receiver full time. I agree Dillard was gotten open but I also saw him quit on a route that would have been a long TD. Personally, I don’t see one better than the other right now.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then we disagree on that
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always liked Dillard
Hes always seemed more consistent. The only knock on Zach Miller…er I mean Dillard is his inability to stay healthy
by Jags85 on Oct 16, 2011 10:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not really
as much as a injury liability. Been hurt twice, and the one injury supposedly was the same injury.
Well, the Jags are tied for last with the Rams for the longest losing streak this season.
It’s looking good for Del Rio.
All things considered, Gabbert is showing a lot of poise, I like what I see. He was off target a couple of times but he plays tough and [usually] makes good decisions. They had him shuffling a few times but he always comes back and makes plays. He’s not scared.
And yes, it’s a sad day in racing too. Again, RIP Dan Wheldon
I'd rather be golfing.
The Colts have lost 6 straight, so the Jags don't have the longest losing streak.
Unless we’re talking about dating back to last year, in which case, I really don’t know who it is.
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by Brian Levenson on Oct 17, 2011 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I have another gripe,
did anyone else notice the formations today when they had 2 FBs and RB in the back field? Not sure if they have done this before but to me it scream run play. It looked like a backwards wishbone set.
Did our D get that much better in the 2nd or did Pitt just let offend gas?
by rusty904 on Oct 16, 2011 8:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
lol, longer than just the second half
We scored on the first 3 drives, could have been 4 if we didn’t have the only Steeler kicker in Steeler history that can’t kick on the Steelers home field…
You’re defense played better than you give them credit for.
Sorry, not reading other’s comments…. just want to make my own and then go finish my five page paper due by midnight….
our defense is pretty damn good. i hope our offense catches up and starts clicking. at this point in the season, i’m neutral.
good night. god bless. don’t fart under the covers.
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
thanks
thought i had it wrapped up before i even started. i was wrong. holy cow that took me a long time. made it to 6 pages, then scaled back. final next week. then i start another class the week after next. yay for me.
Sean
Pax Armis Acquiritur
i hate bolen out wide
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
"Real G's move in silence like lasagna.." lol
by TheTealDeal on Oct 16, 2011 9:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Reminds me of the scene
from Scary Movie 3 when the little boy looks at a guy with a wig on and points and says “Thats not fooling anyone”. Lol
by Jags85 on Oct 16, 2011 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it really isnt fooling anyone
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
"Real G's move in silence like lasagna.." lol
by TheTealDeal on Oct 16, 2011 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If I hadn't had to watch that first half...
I would have loved that second half even more. We looked really good at points on offense, and thorough on defense.
Things are getting better!
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Agreed.
But it looks like Gabbert has the arm and the confidence…the timing looks slightly off, and his “connection/chemistry” with Marcedes and the WRs needs to get better – where they know each others tendencies. I really think that will improve throughout this remaining season and in a full camp next year.
Things are looking up. I’m optimistic about the future.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
I think thats really the difference in the team being either 4-2, 3-3 opposed to 1-5
by Jags85 on Oct 16, 2011 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly
if a certain someone wasn’t cut before the start of the season, we could be 5-1 or maybe even 6-0.
no we wouldn't
we would be in the same spot with no experience for the rookie
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean
Garrard would have only thrown for 109 yards on 26 passing attempts? Or that he would be hovering around 50% comp ratio? Or that we would have the worst pass O in the league with what might be a better cast? Do you remember Garrard fumbling a snap 4 times in a game?
I mean he would have thrown for less
and 3 picks and 2 fumbles.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and that was the Carolina game,
2 games ago and he hasn’t fumbled one since
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 16, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We may have won 1 or 2 more...Maybe
But I’m glad we are getting Gab the experience. Quicker he can grasp the NFL and perform at a high, consistent level the quicker this offense will be more effective. But having receivers dropping the football or unable to get “open” doesn’t help
by Jags85 on Oct 16, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just can't stand losing
Especially watching how well most of the rest of the team is playing. Special teams was better today. The run game has been there all season. The OL has been at least decent since the start of the season. The receivers haven’t been helping the cause but Gabbert should make some of his passes a little easier to catch. Take a little off his fast ball within 15 yards. But the defense has been really really good despite our lack of possession time on offense.
I wish everybody could see why we are losing.....It all boils down to QB play plain and simple.
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Bingo. Most logical comment of the day.
by Slawsc on Oct 17, 2011 1:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What?
how about receiver and o-line play. they are whats been holding the offense back. The O-line has been solid most of the season but was awful today and the receiving core has been awful all season. Idk how you find a way to blame that on the QB.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 17, 2011 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought today that Gabbert played poorly overall
I thought he anticipated pressure that wasn’t there at times (credit to the Steelers defense for making him extra jittery) and tucked more then once. He misses a lot of throws still, the positive is that he certainly has the arm and seems to anticipate well enough to get past his early play. Today was a lot more on him then other parts of the offense though I thought.
I honestly have no clue what you saw today
There were at least 11 to 12 plays where Gabbert had someone in his face as soon as he finished his drop and couple where he had no pocket to step into. He anticipated the pressure because it was there, constantly. I understand if people don’t like the guy but can we be honest about what we are seeing please.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 17, 2011 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't state what you can't back up
you have no idea how I feel about Gabbert except how I thought he played today. Say what you need to say to prove your point then move on, don’t assume what people don’t outright say.
The Steelers did put pressure on him consistently, I thought he didn’t respond well to it. He tucked the ball more then once and a few times didn’t have incredible pressure I thought. The line also didn’t play well again like last week, but I thought Blaine played a little soft whereas last week he showed more poise and toughness against pressure. Its worrisome because teams will likely dial up more blitzes against us and I don’t know if I like Gabberts ability to handle pressure right now.
+1
If you want to see how to respond to instnt pressure watch clips from the Vikings Bears game last night.. Ponder is a coll customer.. Dude was whodini last night and was laser accurate on his passes..
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Instant/cool customer..
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
What?
He played well against mostly back-ups, with a defense playing a prevent with a 29 point lead in the 4th QTR. Ponder for MVP!!!!
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 17, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
First off I said people not you..
stop being so sensitive. And if you don’t think that was constant pressure this discussion can’t go anywhere, you have a good day
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That's too much even for me.
I wouldn’t rule out a possible 4-2 record with solid QB play, but we would not be 5-1 and we definitely wouldn’t be 6-0.
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by Brian Levenson on Oct 17, 2011 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions
John Chick
Good motor, good hustle he was a positive coming from the game. the knock on rackly ok but they ran well behind him and he is a young developing guy he should come along nice. Blaine needs more work, he hurried several passes not setting his feet, was high again but seemed to settle down and i like how he distributed the ball around…but losing does suck.
+1
Honestly I thought at this point Rackley would be better than he has been. When Monroe comes back, we should take a look at keeping Bradfield in the lineup either at RT or LG with Whimper playing the other.
Our best line might look like Monroe, Whimper, Meester, Uche, Bradfield.
On a positive note
Nick Harris looked solid
My Madden Habit
Avoid 34+ year old players like the plague
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
"Real G's move in silence like lasagna.." lol
by TheTealDeal on Oct 16, 2011 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That didn't even bother me
I just seen him shank so many in the past. I know the upside with him was pretty crazy, because he has such a huge leg, but damn we just need to hoover around average to win games.
To be honest
I was a soccer player for half my life. I can’t fathom a 40 something year old being flexible enough to kick good punts.
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
"Real G's move in silence like lasagna.." lol
by TheTealDeal on Oct 16, 2011 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
O he had all the ability
just not consistent. His problem was he wasn’t a punter first. He was TE for a long time. He was old by the time he made punting his livelihood.
It might be a while
he’s not physically gifted, which means you need good chemistry with him to have him be productive.
the reoccuring theme
Aaron Rodgers – good qb
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
"Real G's move in silence like lasagna.." lol
by TheTealDeal on Oct 16, 2011 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This from JDR after the game.
"I told our guys, ‘We’re not into moral victories,’ but I know one thing: If you let go of the rope, you have no chance,’’ Jaguars Head Coach Jack Del Rio said. "We are doing the right things. We’re preparing the right way. We’re working our butts off.
So if we are preparing the right way and doing everything right does this mean we just suck?
Well, we came out like we were unprepared in the first half...
but we beat them 10-0 in the second half, and played some good football. I don’t think we suck, but we are not a very good team just yet. I think going forward we will hang around in games, and manage to win 2 or 3.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Dude, he looked terrible.
He isnt going to be a factor on 2 surgically repaired knees.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
???
Let me guess…Gene Smith could open his NCAA Div II book of gems and pull one out.
by brevardjag00 on Oct 17, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol
“manage to win 2 or 3.”. Well that sucks.
If we somehow only win a total of 3 games then we will have our choice of any player or possibly trade it
by Jags85 on Oct 16, 2011 10:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hahahaha...I know it sounds terrible.
Well, the good news is the rookie salaries are under control – so a top 5 draft pick won’t kill us. Things are going to get better!!!
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Cut kampman some slack
Its only his first game back. The guys got heart. He will find a way to get pressure. I saw five snaps he took and on two of those he got real pressure…he nearly had a sack on one play he was in around the 1100 on the clock.
by Section242 on Oct 16, 2011 11:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
*You had me at "Cut Kampman"
LOL I’m jp. He needs to get more time and confidence in his knee
by Jags85 on Oct 17, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like that stat
it either means that your on the field too much.
I disagree, u want ur MLB making the tackles over anybody else on your defense…..if ur corners or safeties leading in tackles ya got problems
by orecic76 on Oct 17, 2011 5:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You mis-read the original post
you certainly want your LBs leading your team in tackles, but to be among the league leaders to me says that the defense is spending too much time on the field. I’d rather not have any of our guys in the top 15 in total tackles to be honest.
You right…I would like Mel Tucker to hit Dirk Koetter in da EYE/MOUTH…….some what like Buddy Ryan did back in the day, I think to Kevin Gilbride for continuously putting his defense on the field…….LOL
by orecic76 on Oct 17, 2011 9:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Poz is playing good, but yes i know..our offense needs to be on the field more, we only had one long drive yesterda
by FgallosJAGS on Oct 17, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Well at least the defense' endurance will be supreme by mid-season.. LOL
So when the offense finally pulls its head out of its arse the D will be able to Kick ass with out getting tired hehe
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
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