Jaguars Receiving Corps Has To Get Better
by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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The Jacksonville Jaguars are the worst passing team in the NFL. They're second to last in the NFL in points per game. Outside of the running game with Maurice Jones-Drew, the Jaguars offense is... well, awful. Rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert threw for just 109 yards on 29 attempts. I can't jump on Gabbert yet, as it's just the fourth game of his young career. He has missed on some throws, but when he's on and making good throws the receivers seem to either drop the ball or stop on the route. I don't get it.
Mike Thomas, who just recently signed an extension, once again dropped a pass he should have caught and let up on a route where Gabbert led him, causing the football to fall incomplete. Often stone handed Jason Hill made a nice catch in the endzone for a touchdown, but was essentially invisible after that. Pro-Bowl tight end Marcedes Lewis is quite frankly playing awful and can't seem to hang on to the football. A few of his "drops" were thrown behind him, but he's a player who should haul in some of those passes.
Gabbert has to get better on some of his throws and footwork that makes some passes sail, but he's not getting any help from his receiving targets and it's exceedingly frustrating. It's unlikely the Jaguars make a move for a receiver at the trade deadline, so there's not much that can be done right now. One thing is for sure however, this front office either ignored the wide receiver position or mis-evaluated their receivers and it's killing this offense.
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Understatement of the year...
Also Alfie can you ban this Religious lady….She is making nonsense posts everyday
Keep Gene Smith
Fire Jack Del Rio
Give Monroe chicken
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
+1,000,000
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he cant
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by rhettchrystal on Oct 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You think the team will try taking a receiver in the 1st ever again?
I know it depends on position, but I don’t see them attempting it after the horrible luck this team has had when draft a receiver in the the 1st. While the thought of Blackmon on the team is nice but not the season we would need to have in order to get him.
that was my point exactly
just my opinion.
Alfie.. Who would be your choice out of Blackmom, Jeffry, or Floyd? And why?
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
RE:
Blackmon or Ashlon Jeffery better be the target when we make our top 5 pick!
twitter: JaGatortom79
I would take Coples if we can
Receiver is a deep position this year.
Ashlon Jeffery would be my pick
He is another Calvin Johnson type of WR and his frame is ridiculous for a WR.
twitter: JaGatortom79
We shall see
Jeffery or Blackmon is fine with me but I still like Ashlon the best out of the WR group.
twitter: JaGatortom79
No explosion or speed at all.
Good hands though. His highlights are usually catch, fall, catch, fall. Not what I want in a 1st round pick WR.
Well being a Gator fan I usually watch Carolina games
The kid is more than a catch and fall type of WR it just happens that Carolina throws a ton of jump balls his way because they know he can out jump other CB’s.
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i agree but if Blackmon is there idk how you dont take him value and need plus im likin melvin ingram form South Carolina in the second…in a perfect world
I hope the plan is this..........
sign a solid #2 WR in FA and then hit your #1 WR with the first draft pick….. In the second round I would like to see a DE.
twitter: JaGatortom79
that should be the plan but who knows how the cards fall but we should be able to at least the first two things
CB may be an option in the 2nd as well.......
We are not bringing back Rashean most likely and will be interesting what we see in FA for 2012
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Why do you say Jags most likely will not have Mathis next year?
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Oct 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rumor is...
Contract year for Mathis, and the Jags are probably not going to bring him back.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Oct 17, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Too much MMA and not enough football for Lewis.
Thomas is a number 3. Why did he get a new contract. He isn’t good.
If we get a #1 in the draft
Thomas will thrive with the underneath routes in the slot…
Keep Gene Smith
Fire Jack Del Rio
Give Monroe chicken
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Thomas will probably drop those too.
I don’t think he is very good. Your slot guy has to have really great hands. All your WRs do but nothing I have seen from thomas makes me think he’ll do anything better as a slot WR.
Thomas has good hands
Uncharacteristic drops this year
Keep Gene Smith
Fire Jack Del Rio
Give Monroe chicken
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Pot Roast?
Keep Gene Smith
Fire Jack Del Rio
Give Monroe chicken
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He's nowhere near 380
You’re off by about 50 pounds
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Oct 17, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thomas’s drops were overshadowed because most harped on MSW’s drops.
by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I honestly dont know where this team needs to start at, we should have blown it up this year with the new coach and gm we have basically wasted a whole year. This team and its coaches are auditioning for next year.
They decided to rebuild on the fly.
But kept the very same people around that led us to draft so poorly. Jack, McDonough,Gene should have been gone, but the Jaguars organization decided they wanted to feed the fans bullshit when they played the blame Shack game. Now they don’t have anyone to blame but themselves for this piss poor team. Amazing how a team like Buffalo who has drafted within a few spots of us each year has turned it around in 1 year while we are still struggling to get out of average. In fact I don’t even think we are average, we are just plain bad.
Agreed but the bills did turn it around…but I look at the Lions and see their blue print why there good they have a QB can get after the QB ala Suh and company a BIG play receiver ala Megatron you need that to compete i lost faith in gene when he didnt take pierre paul, i like alualu but DE is way more important!
Lions are good because they finally hit on picks.
That is all. They’ve been drafting top 5 for the past decade.
Pierre Paul was a big risk, having only had one great year and being a JUCO transfer; he was raw and had the benefit of learning technique from Umenyiora, Tuck, and Kiwanuka
He didn’t do anything until late last year
Alualu was technically sound and consistently productive
Easy to criticize in hindsight
they never let him play till the end of last year and DE is a way more important position than DT is by a long shot.
Why do you think they didn't let him play?
He was raw
No guarantee he develops so quickly without 3 pro-bowl caliber DEs around him
And it is more important in some respects, but only if you have a great player
I would say that defensive tackle can be every bit as important. Not many pass-rushers that don’t benefit from good DT play.
Also, if you can find a John Randle or LeRoi Glover type of player, who can get sacks at the DT position, that is even more valuable than a pass rushing end
I will take Suh over Pierre Paul any day
Inside pressure is harder to escape
ARE YOU SERIOUS DUDE?
The reason he didn’t play is b/c he had two pro bowl ends playing in front of him. Possibly the two best playing in the entire league at the moment.
Pierre paul is a beast. Alualu is looking average on most plays when he’s on the field. (for a high first round pick at least)
THis team needs to edge…..enough will all of the Gene Smith “safe” picks…..
no risk no return…….
I AM SERIOUS DUDE
The point is, Pierre-Paul was in an ideal situation in NY, and there is no guarantee he would have been as good as quickly in Jax. Also, benefits mightily from playing on a deep, talented defensive line.
Deal with it
I didn’t say he wasn’t a good player.
And yes, I take Suh over Pierre-Paul any day
Who wouldn't take SUH over JPP? LOL.. That's like saying I would take MJD over Vonte Leach.. Of course..
P.S. I assumed you were replying to someones ridiculous suggestion of taking JPP over SUH..
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He said
That defensive end is the more important position, therefore, we should have taken JPP
I said it depends on the player, and that a consistent inside rush is even more valuable
I mentioned LeRoi Glover and John Randle, and Suh is the best interior rusher right now
The other point was that JPP was raw and was able to develop and learn and benefit from playing next to 3 great pass rushers, and might’ve taken longer to develop here, having played only one season of major CFB
I said Alualu was consistently productive in college and that taking him was a safer pick
I realize it is open to debate now, but hindisght is everything. Besides, when Tyson is 100% he looks like he could be great
But it hasn’t even been 2 years, so time will tell
Taking any DE over SUH in that draft would be a mistake.. Suh is a once in a decade pick.
In hindsight maybe JPP would have been a better pick , but only because of Tysons Knee injuries..
As you said when he is healthy he is a bad MOFO.
That was easy to see in the Atl pre-season game.. He wowwed me.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't is what I meant.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait no I meant would DAMMIT..
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He might agree with that
I don’t know. But he would have to think about the implications of the statement: “DE is a way more important position than DT is by a long shot.”
The point I was making is that it depends on the player
I just don't see how we are blaming Lewis
He has had two very good years catching the football
Mike Thomas has too.
Suddenly the issue is with them?
Drops are a problem, but saying Gabbert needs to be better and jumping on him are two different things, right?
I mean, would you have written this article last season?
I don’t mean to say we should be down on Gabbert or say that the franchise failed the fan base in drafting him. Obviously we don’t know what he will become.
But the truth is, he has only flashed to this point in the season. He has to play better, and I hate to say it, but he does try to duck pressure
Someone said he was bracing himself for the hit from Woodley; sorry, but you can’t “brace yourself” you have to follow through, and that short-arm almost cause an incompletion to a wide-open receiver. It was a nice throw under the circumstances, but the mechanics under pressure are not good so far, and that was a critique entering the league as well. If he reacts like that consistently, he will miss that throw more than he makes it.
When your running back is near 5 yards a carry and your defense is keeping games close, the QB needs to be able to make plays to win.
Let me reiterate: I am not saying Gabbert is bad. He just looks like a rookie who wasn’t quite ready for this much playing time to me. It is difficult to see the team so close to victory but unable to move the ball through the air with consistency.
As a purist I also have to say, blaming the receiving corps for losses is ridiculous. I mean, let me put it like this: have you seen Reggie Wayne’s numbers without Manning?
I agree we need better players (actually, I think one upper-tier guy would do it), but to say the thing holding back the offense is the receivers when the rookie QB is clearly struggling is silly.
Yes, Gabbert shows us improvement and talent every week. Yes, he reads the defense well and makes some great throws. But the thing is, crediting him for the good plays and castigating the receivers for the bad ones is an unbalanced approach.
I agree with you, and think it is a definite combo of both parts, throwing and receiving. It sems that Gabbert is probably behind the curve. I think it is from no offseason, not to mention he didnt get a whole lot of quality time in the pre-season. I do however think that this WR core isnt the type that is going to help a struggling rookie to progress. There is no veteran experience in the core, not to menton they arent making plays when the ball does come to them. With that said we dont truly have a #1 or #2 receiver. A true goto guy would really help BG. I dont think it would make some of his issues so polarizing. I also believe, but have no way of honestly knowing. That our QB might not be getting the best coaching he could be from this staff. No QB in this system ever seems to progress. It is quite worrisome to me. So i dont think the lack of O is to be blamed on just one fascet. It seems to be a breakdown across the board. Coach, QB, and receivers. Its just a shame we are wasting a year of production from MJD. The guy will only have so many. Maybe he can last till Freddy T jr comes out in his JR year..lol
Get over Garrard. It’s rather sad.
by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So Garrard....
needs back surgery, we’d really be better off with him huh alfie ……hahaha these guys crack me up…..alot of these fans are like the head office, cant move on…..something we need to do with Del Rio.
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.
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I thought you were talking to me
And then I realized I didn’t mention Garrard
So, who were you talking to?
Oh, you definitely mentioned Garrard when you asked “would you have written this article last year?”
Not sure what else you’d be implying there. Feel free to explain.
I am just saying the perception of the receiving corps has changed since Gabbert became the starter.
And I think the point is valid.
It didn’t have to do with Garrard specifically; the point was that having a rookie quarterback who is struggling makes the receivers look worse
No, it hasn’t. I wrote in the offseason they needed to get a WR. I wrote that letting MSW walk made the corps work. I wrote in the preseason, while Garrard was still here, they were terrible.
The receivers have always been a problem. Don’t kid yourself.
Yes
They have been a problem
But it isn’t clear that MSW would have helped (although, I did agree with you on that when it happened)
I also feel that they were adequate last season. The receiving corps as a whole was OK. They needed a big play guy then and not having one hurt
But it did not hamstring them to the point of the ineptitude we have seen this season
I know the receivers aren’t great. I have said as much. But they are good enough to win games with, and the team is winning nothing.
I maintain that they will look a lot better as Gabbert gets better.
Are you talking about
“that short-arm almost cause an incompletion to a wide-open receiver” that went for the touchdown?
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Oct 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea
And I admit it was a nice throw
I am talking about the concern I have with his reaction to pressure
He has poor pocket awareness right now, and does run into some sacks
Look, focus on what you want to. All I am saying is that the rookie quarterback needs time to develop, and that as he does, our wideouts will look better.
so you're saying a rookie qb stands in the pocket, throws a dart to a receiver at the back of the end zone for a TD, gets decked by a blitzing linebacker
and you’re critique is that his “short-arm almost cause an incompletion”?
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
The critique is not specific to that play
The critique has to do with that play and others.
That was the most recent example, and I thought it was pretty clear.
Like I said before, it was a nice throw. But his reaction to pressure has to improve.
Take what you want from it buddy.
We blame Lewis because the ball hits him in the hands.... then it hits the ground
We blame the receivers because they either stop running routes, short arm instead of extending OR the ball hits them in the hands…. and then it hits the ground.
Maybe Manning and Brady throw it with stickem.
WTF IS THE INTERNET?!?
That is false
Lewis had a drop
Who else had a drop?
Not Thomas, though I keep seeing that.
Not Dillard.
Not Hill.
Gabbert played pretty well Sunday. Best he has played in my eyes. He did take two bad sacks, but he threw pretty well. He was just off on a few throws.
That doesn’t make it the receivers fault. He is developing. Give him time. Give them time.
I saw Dillard getting open yesterday
He had a sure TD if Gabbert hadn’t overthrown him and I saw him come open for Gabbert a couple of times when Gabbert was running for his life. I’m not excusing the poor play, but I really feel like these recievers are struggling with adjusting from Garrard ball to Gabbert ball.
How is Polamalu a moron
He made the play
Keep Gene Smith
Fire Jack Del Rio
Give Monroe chicken
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
idk he gave himself a concussion by leading with his head and trying to hurt MJD instead of just using his shoulder and making a textbook tackle.
He didn't try and hurt him
Have you ever played defensive football?
You get the man down. You launch yourself. You use your head whne you have to.
Sorry bud, that is reality
And there is no guarantee you stop MJD with a form tackle when he just needs a yard. form tackles can get you run over
Thomas is the moron
Polomalu is his usual self, a missle
by amujic32 on Oct 17, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybeyou should watch where the players were
at the snap before you start calling people morons.
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
by unhipcat on Oct 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thomas is the moron
Polomalu is his usual self, a missle
by amujic32 on Oct 17, 2011 2:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The whole point was
Polamalu made a great play and couldn’t have made such a sure tackle if he hit MOJO high
He wasn’t trying to hurt him, that was a good ass play on a great player
The rookie QB is struggling to adjust to the NFL
The receivers are average, but many, many, many teams have won with average receivers
When Blaine takes the next step, you will see the receivers were not the problem
I put this on Blaine a little bit more than the receivers
He’s figuring out his game still. He throws some bad passes that aren’t caught, but the passes that are caught aren’t all perfect either.
the receivers can’t make him look good, but they can be mostly functional as receivers.
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Marcedes dropped passes all day...
Blaine is a rookie and some of the passes were late, however our WR’s and TE’s are not helping with all the dropped passes we have seen this year either.
twitter: JaGatortom79
I am absolutely stunned you blame Gabbert.
by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what else is new i cant wait for the cutt blaine thread…smh. Alfie can no see this guy is the real deal just the fact this guys head is on swivle makes me bow to the football gods!!
This was Gabbert's best game so far
By far.
He still has to be accountable for his bad plays.
I just watched the game again. The receivers were fine.
You are right, something has to happen between Lewis and Gabbert. They don’t have any chemistry right now.
But is that because Lewis is playing poorly? He had one drop and had he caught it, it would have been 4th and long.
Maybe I am missing something
I don’t know why they can’t connect, I was so sure he was going to really ease BGs transition
As for development though, Gabbert really showed a lot on the opening drive. That was the best series of throws I have seen from him. Too bad they couldn’t capitalize. I think the the screen on 3rd down was a bad call. They should have let Gabbert throw down the field.
Could have Brandon Lloyd for a crappy 6th rounder.........
5th rounder if he catches 30 passes but the reward was well worth the risk of making the move and yet the Jaguars sat on their hands like usual and are keeping the same ham and eggers we have at WR!
Brilliant!
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OT
If anyone wants to make a Ask a Jags fan post at the Ravens blog Baltimore Beat Down go ahead because the Jags are 0-5 when I do it..
Keep Gene Smith
Fire Jack Del Rio
Give Monroe chicken
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
Ya we should try something new... We don't need anymore of your jinx.....JK
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm serious
I really want to win on MNF
Best Farm System EVER
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
Should we not play…ATTENTION NO ONE GO TO EVERBANK MONDAY…..THERE WILL NOT BE A GAME
Best Farm System EVER
by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No I will still be cheering my butt off in Section 216........
However the Ravens are a good AFC playoff team and can’t see us hanging with them.
Also at this point I would not mind seeing us tank the season and to secure a top 3-5 pick and yes it is sad that it has come to that.
twitter: JaGatortom79
Jesus
Hmm who would you rather have lloyd or a receiver like dillard with a 6th?
by dan073eb on Oct 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
it is more than likely a 5th...
and they’d likely have had to offer something better than the Rams.
@troycarson
No.. He's driving up on 30" rims.. Big WILLY STYLE.. hehe
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They have to pick it up..
The receiving core a has been by far the worst unit on the team. Quitting on routes and dropping passes is just not acceptable. I think the Offense would look at lot more fluid and dare I say “respectable” if they would fix those two issues.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
Offensive Line Play
Our problems with offensive line directly affect the QB and the WRs. The OL should be the first focus of our rebuilding season next year.
I agree
it starts with protection, and we aint got it. Nobody here wants to talk about the O line cause it aint sexy enough. If BG could get comfortable, he’d probably light it up. He aint comfy and it shows…Big Time!
by brevardjag00 on Oct 17, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
These stats are post week 6, when the jags allowed 5 sacks
So they are considerably inflated, and this doesn’t prove anything
Also, two of those sacks were on Blaine. Also, one of the sacks came when Bolen missed his man
So only two of those can really be put on the line
The offensive line isn’t going to change much. Some injuries right now are making it look worse
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