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Jaguars have tied the worst start in franchise history

The Jacksonville Jaguars currently sit at 1-5 after the first six weeks of the season, which means they've tied the worst start in franchise history. It's a team that's playing solid defense, but has arguably the worst offense in the entire NFL. Yes, they are starting a rookie quarterback, but other teams in the same situation don't seem to be so inept moving the football and scoring points. Jaguars head coach Jack Del Rio isn't on the hot seat, he's standing in a blazing inferno.

This is the second time in Del Rio's career that a Jaguars team has started the season 1-5, the first time coming in 2003, Del Rio's first season as head coach. That season, the Jaguars wound up 5-11 and didn't pick up their second win of the season until Week 10. This Jaguars team is in the same situation, but I don't know if they can pick up a win Week 10 and Jack Del Rio may not even be on the sideline by then.

Star-divide

I don't want to turn this into a Fire Del Rio thing, but I think at this point it's inevitiable he's going to be fired be it at the bye week or at the end of the season. Firing Del Rio isn't going to fix this football team however, because not only does this football team lack adequate coaching, it lacks adequate talent at critical positions. When Jack Del Rio is fired, Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver needs to turn his gaze to general manager Gene Smith, who's been given full control of the roster since 2009 and do a serious evaluation of his performance.

I don't think Gene Smith has done a bad job per say, but I don't think he's really done a good job either. Yes, Gene Smith fixed the Jaguars defense, but he did it by shelling out money in free agency when he was billed as someone who was going to build through the draft. Eight of the eleven defensive starters were either on the roster when Smith took over or signed as free agents. Even though the defense is playing well, the biggest hole on the defense when Gene Smith took over is still there, a pass rushing defensive end. The best one on the team, Jeremy Mincey, was on the roster when Smith took over.

Yes, Gene Smith took over a bad football team in 2009 that swung for the fence in 2008 and struck out, but it shouldn't take this long to fix it. Not only is this roster not "fixed", but it's still got glaring holes that either haven't been addressed or have failed to fix. Namely, the wide receiver position. Since Gene Smith took over, the Jaguars have drafted four wide receivers, three are still on the roster and only one has any kind of impact.

The offensive tackle Gene Smith took with the 10th overall pick Eugene Monroe, while not a bad football player, is just an average left tackle. You need more than average when you're picking 10th overall. The cornerback Smith gave up a 2nd round pick to move up and get, Derek Cox, has also been just an average player who's missed time with injury in 2011 and quite frankly his absence isn't noticable. You want a guy you give up a future second round pick to be noticed when he's not playing. The other offensive lineman you drafted that year, Eben Britton, looks to have back issues now but also wasn't really playing that well and seemingly lost his job to an offensive tackle you picked up off another team's scrap heap and subsequently moved to guard to replace the other rookie offensive lineman Smith drafted, who's been downright awful.

Smith got good players in defensive tackle Terrance Knighton, Tyson Alualu, and Mike Thomas, but that's not enough. This 1-5 football team is full of Gene Smith players, you can't blame it on Shack Harris anymore. It's his quarterback (who I like), it's his wide receivers, and it's his offensive line. While he has built a solid defense through free agency, quite a bit of his draft picks leave a lot to be desired, especially for being as highly billed as he was. He missed on defensive ends, who while they were late round picks, were billed as starting caliber players. One was cut after his rookie season and the other struggles to get in on the rotation and plays special teams.

When Jack Del Rio is fired, Wayne Weaver is going to have to turn his attention to Gene Smith and ask himself if he is the man to build the Jaguars for the future. He may have hit on quarterback Blaine Gabbert, but quarterback was a position that had to be drafted this year. Gene Smith has had three offseasons to work, it shouldn't take this long to rebuild a roster. Guys Smith drafted in 2009 need to start showing significant improvement in 2011, their 3rd NFL season, and they aren't. The holes on this football team when he took over were cornerback, defensive end, wide receiver, and offensive line. The holes on this football team entering Week 7 of the NFL are cornerback, defensive end, wide receiver, and offensive line.

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What's your view on the lockout having any effect on the team?

Being a young team (especially on the offensive side), I think it may have impacted them a little more than other teams. Not that I’m trying to make excuses, I am just of the belief that the Jags REALLY needed a full offseason this past year

by ScottyD4Life on Oct 17, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

All 32 teams were locked out.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a poor excuse. The 49ers are a young team with a new head coach and are 5-1.

The Jaguars aren’t 1-5 becuase of the lockout.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just sounded like you were trying to find a reason for them being bad.

They’re just bad.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Intresting

I think hell be brought back, but then again I’m just a fan, what do you think?

by amujic32 on Oct 17, 2011 8:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

To be fair

QB should have been a hole this year and going forward. I think for now it has been addressed. This takes precedence over Cornerback, Defensive End, Wide Receiver, and Offensive Line.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!

by DownTownJax on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Oops, the team missed the bus again.

Once again they didn’t show up until half time. This seems to be standard operating procedure on away games. Now at 1/5 and actually should be 0/6, since beating the Titians in their beat up condition doesn’t really count. Rookie QB doesn’t explain it, but the fact that he was running for his life the whole game does. The offensive line just plain sucks. It wouldn’t matter if David was still here, you can’t throw passes lying flat on your back! MJD should have gotten more touches, but here is where the play calling sucked again. He was pulled on some of the most critical plays and substituted with little Karim. Once again, Karim is not a RB in the NFL. Heck one time they picked him up like a baby and carried him back 10 yds. Put him back on special teams.

by agurusguru on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Pretty sure the Titans win still counts.

Also pretty sure I will take a win any way we get it – I dont care that Manning is out for Colts – a win is a win.

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am starting to think we need a clean slate.

Get rid of JDR and Gene, and bring in some fresh eyeballs to look at this roster. As has often been pointed out, but always ignored, Gene Smith was a major player in the decisions of the Shack Harris regime. Maybe our excitement to blame Shack blinded us to Gene’s actual abilities?

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Good and accurate article Alfie

 Weaver needs to just start over. New GM and new coach.

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by MadKow on Oct 17, 2011 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Cox vs Knighton

We gave up a future 2nd rounder for Knighton, not Cox. I know that because of the order they were read during the draft, the perception is that the future 2nd was used to pick Cox, but they just read the picks in a different order.

The story that I’ve heard is that both picks were submitted at the same time, but whoever was in charge for the NFL read them in a different order.

Would you give up a 2nd for Knighton? I would. Please stop ragging on Cox as if he was supposed to be a future 2nd round pick.

I do agree that Gene’s picks have just been average, but that’s what you’re going to get with a GM who’s gun-shy from the previous guy swinging for the fences.

by mab0270 on Oct 17, 2011 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

The only thing with that is...

the previous guy swinging for the fences was getting advice from Gene.

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re absolutely right. The unfortunate thing is that I think we’ve actually seen a couple of “swing for the fence” picks from GM Gene (Miller and Underwood), but they didn’t work out, so he went back to being ultra conservative.

When you’re drafting players who have already maxed out their talent, you’re never going to find someone who “breaks out”, unless they were really really good in the first place. No amount of coaching is going to help that.

by mab0270 on Oct 17, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Jaguars gave up the 2nd round pick for Derek Cox. Cox was selected 73rd overall, which the Jaguars acquired by sending New England their 2010 2nd round draft pick.

Knighton was selected 72nd overall, which was the Jaguars natural 3rd round pick.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the article…right from your own site: http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/4/12/2107488/an-evening-with-the-coaches

One of the highlights of the pick by pick breakdown was that McDonough and Gene Smith always share a laugh about how when Derek Cox gets criticized, everyone throws out the fact that the Jaguars overpaid by trading a second round pick – since thats what they traded to pick Cox in the third round. He said what’s funny is that the Jaguars acquired the 3rd rounder, giving them back to back picks, and they knew exactly who they were drafting: Knighton and Cox. However they had no plan on which order to hand in the picks – it just happened that Knighton was announced first, so the traded pick became Cox. In hindsight, if the order was reversed, no one would’ve questioned giving up a 2nd for Pot Roast. I thought that was interesting…and true.

by mab0270 on Oct 17, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, so when they’re deflecting criticism for a player they say something happened one way when it officially happened the other?

How shocking.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know that’s what they want us to believe, but I certainly feel better thinking that Cox is a 3rd and Knighton is a 2nd.

by mab0270 on Oct 17, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course you do. That doesn’t mean it’s true, because it’s not. Them saying it two years later to deflect criticism doesn’t make it true.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that’s not an “article from my own website”. It’s a FanPost.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, it’s hosted on your website. Yes, I know it wasn’t written by an official writer, but the URL is the same.

by mab0270 on Oct 17, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

That it’s an article, and it’s on your website. Also, I can assume that you’ve read it before, since you commented on it.

Really not much more to it than that.

by mab0270 on Oct 17, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, if something is posted on this website it’s true?

Is that what you’re trying to say here?

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just was saying it’s a viewpoint that’s out there.

by mab0270 on Oct 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the record, I do quite a bit of writing...

not here, fiction and poetry actually, but I guess no one cares.
That article is 100% accurate – for what McDonough said.

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

CheapSeat...

that is a cheap shot! I am sure you are just kidding….as am I.

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.

I knew it.
:)

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mincey may start at RDE, but he's not our best pass rusher

In all of his time playing this year, Mincey only has one sack.
Roth has three sacks and John Chick has two this season. One of those guys came in cheap free agency the other one was a scrap heap pickup Gene Smith made in the preseason.

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by Brian Levenson on Oct 17, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Mincey is the best pass rusher. Getting sacks doesn’t mean you’re a good pass rusher. Mincey effects the quarterback the most, by far, of any of the defensive ends.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Getting sacks doesn't mean you're a good pass rusher"

WTF? You can’t tell me you actually believe that. If gettting sacks doesn’t make you a good pass rusher, then what does it make you?

by Keenan J on Oct 17, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there are some guys...

who accumulate a high number of sacks because the guy on the other side is forcing the QB to run for his life.

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

some guys. That hasn’t been the case in this time, Chick and Roth just beat there man to get those sacks.

by Keenan J on Oct 17, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

heh heh heh...

“beat their man to get those sacks”…

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby McCray had 10 sacks as a Jaguar, was he a good pass rusher?

No, he wasn’t. He got sacks because Paul Spicer got pressure from the other side and forced the quarterback into McCray.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then you site one example as if that is the case every time. As I said to JPQ, they both are getting their sacks by beating the man in front of them, plain and simple.

by Keenan J on Oct 17, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t cite anything as if it’s the case every time. They’re not both getting sacks by beating the man in front of them. Roth’s first sack was on a naked bootleg where he beat no one and came unblocked. His other sacks have been coverage sacks, not just beating his man off the line.

Chick’s sack yesterday he did beat his man, but to say he’s the best pass rusher based on that play is silly. His other sack was a coverage sack.

I cite McCray as an example because just getting a high number of sacks doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a good pass rusher, which is what you’re point was. That’s not true.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chick's...

second sack was not a coverage sack. He was there before Dalton even thought about throwing the ball. So what if they were coverage sacks though? A sack is a sack.

And sometimes getting a high number of sacks just means you’re a one year wonder, which McCray was. We can sit here and say he got them because Spicer was on the other side, but there is no way you have a 10 sack season solely because of someone else.

by Keenan J on Oct 17, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which is exactly where we should be in this debate.

by Keenan J on Oct 17, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not ready to crown a guy who’s been on the roster for 6 weeks and has two sacks the best pass rusher. Mincey effects the QB down after down on a consistent basis.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me either.

I wasn’t saying Chick was the best DE on the team, but you said getting sacks doesn’t make you a good pass rusher and I didn’t agree with that comment. I’m not arguing with you about Mincey because he is the best overall defensive end on the team.

by Keenan J on Oct 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just getting sacks doesn’t mean you’re a good pass rusher, though. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alfie said....

“not just beating his man off ………the line”. Funny! Yes, I am 12!

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's too bad for Del Rio

I really like him as the face of the Jaguars.

My question for Gene Smith is: how do you end up with Mike Thomas as your number one receiver? If the team had a true WR threat, I think it would’ve been different for Garrard, and if not for him, it would be different for Gabbert and the Jags current record. The staff has really struck out on a real no. 1 WR. Hindsight is everything, and I like Alualu, but at this point we may have been better served by Dez Bryant, rather than Alualu. It’s just that the lack of a good receiving threat really has the offense off balance.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, if we go down that road...

Ben Roethlisberger wouldve sserved us better than Reggie Williams, and the next year Roddy White wouldve served us better than Matt Jones.

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's my point exactly.

2004 and 2005 was the last time the Jags drafted a round 1 or even a round 2 WR. After two years it was evident neither was a round 1 or round 2 caliber player. The last first round pick before them was R. Jay Soward.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless we all know jack is gone its inevetable

We WILL get a stud wideout in the first,DE in the 2nd and lineman in the 3rd…. Hopefully

My question is how come last say if jack was fired prior to this year he still wouldve been owed 5 mil this year and next, why is the contract like that? Bc we all know if you cut a player you are rarely subject to owing them money…of course jack is a coach though, are their contacts structured diff? Or fully guranteed?

by amujic32 on Oct 17, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Coach contracts are fully guaranteed.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

At this point, I’m beyond this conversation because people are going to believe what they want to believe, even if you counter act their argument with logical deduction. So all I’m going to comment on is the “QB had to be drafted this year” statement.

I think that while QB was a position of interest, if Blaine doesn’t fall, then we don’t draft a QB this past draft. We got lucky that he was there for Gene to trade up and go get him.

by Keenan J on Oct 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Clean House!

This team clearly lacks talent and coaching, not only that but personnel moves. Letting Garrad go and not re-signing Sims-Walker has blown the entire season. Thats bad GM-ing.

We need to bring in a young Head coach that can ignite a fire with these guys. Morris from Tampa Bay, Tomlin from Steelers, Harabough brothers!

We lost a lot of assistant coaches the last couple years and have not been the same since then. Coaches leave Jacksonville to persue other positions with different teams. That should tell you something about the talent and coaching staff we have.

There’s a reason why everybody is on a 1 year deal. Were is the intensity! My God……

This shit really sucks! We are going to have a top 5 pick and draft a fucking offensive lineman!

In Gene we Trust? I think not, please dont have me thinking this way about this guy. I thought Gene was a dude to get things turned around.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Bad GM-ing?

You mean the David Garrard who is still playing golf, and the Sims-Walker who got benched by the 0-5 Rams? Hmmmm… Bad GM Gene, Bad GM!

by Atl- Jags Fan on Oct 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’d be 2-4 with Garrard, but I still think this team misses Sims-Walker.

He wasn’t great, but he at least drew coverage. He’s getting open for the Rams… he just hasn’t hung onto the ball.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rumor has it

that the Raiders are another team pursuing a QB and it’s not Garrard.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re trying for Palmer and Orton. Some thing the Broncos will salary dump Orton for a 6th/7th rounder.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sad to see Garrad was let go when he had one of his best seasons, (stat wise).

Garrad is a system QB. Dirk Koetter system was perfect for David. I believe that we would be 3-3 or 4-2 with David.

Sims-Walker was one of my favorite players on the team. I watched him recover from knee problems to being the #1 guy.

Sims-Walker was a victim of David’s inconstiency! He just could not get him the ball.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You do know that Sims Walker was benched right?

Sims-walker was a victim of David’s inconsistency, but then how do you explain being benched in St Louis with an 0-5 Rams? I liked the guy too but it turns out he just wasn’t that good.

by Atl- Jags Fan on Oct 17, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

No he's not

It wasn’t injury related. He’s benched because of non-productivity.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82327d0d/article/rams-bench-wr-simswalker-could-be-in-lloyd-sweepstakes

“Sims-Walker, who has 11 receptions for 139 yards and no touchdowns in four games this season, was inactive for non-injury reasons”

by Atl- Jags Fan on Oct 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay,

that has changed now according to ESPN.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I liked David Garrad

I would have rather had him than too watch this offense go nowhere! Gabbert is the future. Not the present.

Garrad ran this offense to perfection and Dirk Koetter knew how to gameplan around Garrad’s strengths.

This was our division to win with David behind center.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is still our division to win......

We are 2 games out of the division lead. We control our own destiny. Why so glum chum?

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our division to win?!!?!?!?!

Were 1-5…

Keep Gene Smith
Fire Jack Del Rio
Give Monroe chicken

by tiquanunderwear on Oct 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

And....

The Colts are 0-6, and the Texans are just two games ahead of us along with the Titans, who we already beat.

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And yet every December when it mattered the most, Garrard peed down his leg in critical moments.

They made the right move. This team wasn’t going anywhere with him.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Bro!

Garrad took way too much heat from the city!

Garrad was never given a Oline, nor was he given a playmaking WR.
Take away Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark from Manning, or Jennings, Finely, Driver, Jones, away from Aaron Rogers!

One thing the elite QB’s have in this league are playmakers at the WIDE RECIEVER position.

Garrad had uuuummmm well….. Yeah!

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You realize you’re pining for a guy who’s garnered absolutely zero interest since being cut, sans teams who are in a panic to replace their injured QB’s?

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, because Jason Campbell broke his collar bone and is out for the season and they’re scrambling for a QB… like I said. They’ve also called Josh McCown.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

You just said [above]

that Sims-Walker was a victim of Garrard’s inconsistency.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

But dude, that did not make for us to part ways with him. Fuck! If these guys was so bad then why are we so bad without them!

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Sims-Walker.

And I think Garrard is a greatest “back-up” QB the Jags have ever had.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last warning on F-bombs. It’s not that hard.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do not think we are any worse...

without Sims-Walker or Garrard than we would be with them. I think Turk vs. Podlish was a bigger problem that not having Mike and David.

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just as well as he choked in December, Garrad put us in position to win games.

I just wanted too see him under center controlling this offense with our D playing like they have.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

If we dont give Gabbert and Oline and WR’s! not just any 3rd or 4th round guy a D2 school, but a complete game changer!

We are going to run MJD into the ground mann. And when we finally get a #1 hell hes gonna be 30 yrs old and washed up with 2 or 3 knee surgeries.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, what would be different with Garrard?

What is Gabbert not doing that Garrard would do?

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Scoring Points and moving the offense

Jets, Steelers, Bengals, and Carolina….

Garrad wins those games. Even if he plays poorly 2 out of the 4 games.

We would be 5-1.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do agree.....

Either Blaine is throwing too hard, or the receivers are yet to be used to be used to him vs DG.

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it were that simple....

then there is no way that we would have cut him. If David was QB, and you assume all other aspects of the game would be the remain the same, I do not think he wins the games you listed. I supported DG big time when he was QB, but Gabbert can do things that Garrard can not!

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG...are we really still doing this Garrard thing?

The bottom line is he is gone. He aint coming back. GET OVER IT.

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by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

True.. But it is still fresh in our minds... Some of us were excited about our chances this year because we went out and bought a defense.

Then they cut DG 5 days before the opener.. Just still wondering what could have been..

 SB? I’m not delusional , but a home playoff game was very attainable.

JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!

by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you miss training camp and/or preseason? Garrard was atrocious.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I could frame this post, because it’s absolutely amazing.

You’re saying Garrard wins those games as if Gabbert lost those games.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a fantastic comment.

We’d be 5-1 with Garrard. Hysterical.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's that far fetched Alfie..

With this defense playing alot better and MJD healthy..

 The biggest factor is Mike Thomas and Marsedes were on the same page with DG..

JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!

by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 17, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think 5-1 is pretty far fetched...

But I could buy probably 4-2 or 3-3. As much as I agree that DG wasn’t going to get us there, I think he probably would have been enough to get us into the playoffs this year at least.

by Atl- Jags Fan on Oct 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, Thomas and Lewis are dropping passes/quitting on routes because they’re not familiar with Gabbert?

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'm going to poop sweeting-smelling daisies

Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."

by unhipcat on Oct 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I live in Houston, and i was so pumped about going to the game in two weeks, Great seats with my wife, but we will be coming to town 2-5!

Lol… Yeah 2-5. I think we will be pumped up about Monday night football. Ravens dont have much of an offense. So this should be another close game. But, the 2011 Jags will find away to make Joe Flacco look like Dan Marino.

Sorry, but im still gonna wear my teal and black in the Great State of Texas!!!
Go Jags!

Anybody know when the draft guide comes out for next season! I need to get an early jump on the offseason prospects. Looks like another top 10 pick.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

The Jags have faced some decent Quarterbacks.

The defense has allowed only one passer (Drew Brees) to throw over 300 yds., and one (Matt Hasselback) to throw over 200 yds.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget about

Our QB turn TE Zach Miller who seems to have some kind of injury every other game but was billed to be a ‘Dallas Clark type player’

by Houndslb58 on Oct 17, 2011 9:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I guess....

we will just have to see.

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love to hear a logical reason for keeping Del Rio.

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

First off....

We will need to see how the remainder of the season plays out. As it sits right now, we are 2 games out of the division lead, so all hope is not lost. If the team continues to improve, which I believe they are, and finish strong with the remaining games, even if the team does not win the division, I see Jack back. I believe, though it may not fit your definition of “logical”, Mr. Weaver will take into account the new QB, lack of ability at receiver, and the improvement on defense as his reasons to keep Jack. As I said, we will have to wait and see, but that’s my take on it. I am neither for or against a decision either way at this point.

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, Del Rio will get yet a 3rd chance to rebuild a roster and build on his sub-.500 record as a head coach?

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am saying.......

that is what I believe will happen.

by GAJAGFAN on Oct 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im staying to question the safeties also, one week they look good then one week they dont

For example on the wallace 28 yard td, what was lowery doing? Super late getting over, also on the 68 yard run mathis took a terrible angle and then jogged after he got stiff armed, and how do they consistently let the reciever get behind the coverage, they were so luck ben over threw them

by amujic32 on Oct 17, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

We dont have speed in the secondary!

Gene is so worried about characer guys, that shit is hurting our football team dude!!!

Everybody that gets in trouble doesnt mean they are gonna screw up again and again.

Most of the guys in the Hall of Fame have a rap sheet long as the golden gate bridge.
Sometimes you need that mixture of rough and tough guys. Sorry but until Gene gets away from that philosophy! Dooms day my friend.

B.MILLS

by B.Mills on Oct 17, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with you there.

You need the Ying and Yang. I wouldn’t want a TO or Chad “Johnson”, but I don’t think you exclude a potentially great player because of him not being a “locker room” guy.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, hypothetically, if Wayne fires JDR and Gene...

will it be done immediately after the seasons final game? Wouldn’t it make sense to get a new guy in ASAP to evaluate this roster and plan for the draft and free agency? The sooner he does it, the better…right?

Fidelis Ad Mortem

by JPQ! on Oct 17, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Can someone explain?

I haven’t seen a lot of discussion about the end of the game decisons, but can someone explain the following to me. With about 4 minutes left in the game, we’re down seven, close to the steelers redzone, looking for a touchdown to tie…. We get in a 3rd and 4 situation and we decide to run. Now typically you’d think most teams would pass in this situation. I’d say especially teams that the defense knows is struggling with the pass. The last think you’d want to do is run the ball. But if you decided you’re gonna run. Why would you put your allstar running back on the bench? After Deji loses two yards. Then we have the 4th and 6 crap. The wasted time out. The FG kick which i’ve yet to understand. Letting 20 seconds run off the clock after Ben runs for a 1st down on their last drive. Is this coaching? Or am i just lost?

by Swizznuts on Oct 17, 2011 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I can explain

running it on 3 and 4 and a going for a field goal down 7 points. Bad play-calling and bad game management. To me, a field goal made no sense. It was like going for a win instead of tie.

I'd rather be golfing.

by iodrew on Oct 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have the 32nd ranked passing offense in the league

Maybe that’s why he ran it.

Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."

by unhipcat on Oct 17, 2011 9:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

explain

The trouble i’m having is I can see these kind of mistakes happening to a father who coaches pop warner in addition to his normal job. But here we’re dealing with a full time NFL coach with a slew off assistants. These kind of mistakes like wasting 20 seconds before calling a time out… or not having the team ready to hike the ball after an official review.. seem unbelievable to me. Can you imagine if my heart surgeon made these kind of mistakes on the operating table? No good my friend!

by Swizznuts on Oct 17, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Logic

While I admit the early miscues this season do not help Jack’s case, I don’t think one should overlook his performance the two years prior. We had no defense, and as a result really had to gut out some wins. It’s hard to argue that we overachieved. Our starting quarterback is currently not on a NFL roster, and neither is our former “#1” receiver. Yet, our offense carried us last season. I believe that when a team wins with a less talented roster, the credit has to go to the coaching staff, and the character of the players. What has changed since last season? For me, its the offense getting adjusted to a new QB with a drastically different skill set. It’s taking some time. If you want to punish Jack & Gene for rushing in Gabbert, then I suppose that’s a reason, but I think Jack should be given the rest of the season to see how it works out.

by jcook1190 on Oct 17, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

How many first or second year players made the pro bowl?

Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."

by unhipcat on Oct 17, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What do pro bowls have to do with anything?

by Alfie Crow on Oct 17, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

that seems to be the going criteria for determining whether Smith made good picks

and the criticism against him because none of his picks have gone.
we may want to give it more than one or two years before we can make an accurate judgment on the quality of the picks

Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."

by unhipcat on Oct 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

*that we didn’t overachieve

by jcook1190 on Oct 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

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