JDR Era Draft Analysis and Its Impact
It may be in the middle of the season but I’ve decided to go back and do a comprehensive analysis of our draft history as I think it has had an impact on our team’s current state. I went through each draft year since Jack Del Rio took over as head coach and grouped players from each draft class as either “Hits” or successful picks or “Misses”. Now obviously when you are doing this kind of analysis you need to take certain aspects in to consideration.
First off, I excluded the 2011 draft as these players are only 6 games into their rookie seasons. Second, I gave a little more leeway for success potential to the 2009 and 2010 draft classes as they are still early in their careers but you can read my analysis below on certain players. Finally I also had to take into consideration in which round each player was drafted, as that effects whether you would consider them a success. If two players are both career back-ups but one was drafted in the 1st round and another the 7th , obviously the 1st rounder would be a bust and the 7th rounder would be a success. See below for more details on that aspect.
The overall results are surprising as it the Jaguars drafting has had its fair share of successes as well as failures but its consistency from year to year that seems to be absent.
How I Determined Whether a Pick was a Hit or Miss:
1st and 2nd Round Picks: Have to have become a starter for a number of years and excelled at their position. (i.e. Derrick Harvey and Byron Leftwich started for a few years but did not excel at their position)
3rd and 4th Round Picks: Have to have become a quality starter or a back-up that significantly contributed.
5th and 6th Round Picks: Have to have at least stayed with the team for a few years and been a quality back-up.
7th Round Picks: Need only to have made the team for a few years.
Based on my descriptions you can tell that the distinction between hit and miss is very subjective. I understand that other people might have different views then me and feel free to tell me I am wrong in the comments. If everyone says I am wrong then I would be more than willing to admit I made a mistake and change a distinction.
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Draft Year |
Hits /Successful Picks (Round Picked) |
Misses/Busts (Round Picked) |
Success % |
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2003 |
R. Mathis (2), V. Manuwai(3), George Wrighster (4) |
B. Leftwich(1), L.Toefield (4), B. Green(6), D. Young(6), M. Ogden(6), M. MacKenzie(7) |
.333 % |
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2004 |
D. Smith(2), G. Jones(2), E. Wilford(4), J. Scobee(5), B. McCray(7) |
R. Williams (1), J. Cordova(3), A. Maddox(4), C. Thompson(5), S. Bubin(5) |
.500 % |
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2005 |
G. Sensabaugh(5) |
M. Jones(1), K. Barnes(2), S. Starks(3), A. Pearman(4), C. Owens(6), P. Thomas (6), C. Roberson(7) |
.125 % |
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2006 |
M. Lewis (1), M. Jones-Drew (2), C. Ingram(3), J. Wyche (7) |
B. Hawkins (5), D. Webb(7) |
.666 % |
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2007 |
J. Durant (2), M. Sims-Walker (3), A. Podlesh (4), U. Nwaneri (5), D. Landri (5), C. Nkang (7) |
R. Nelson (1), B. Smith (4), J. Gattis (5), J. Broussard (7), A. Carnahan (7) |
.545 % |
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2008 |
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D. Harvey (1), Q. Groves (2), T. Williams (3), Tr. Williams (5), C. Washington (7) |
.000 % |
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2009 |
E. Monroe (1), T. Knighton (3), D. Cox (3), M. Thomas (4), R. Jennings (7) |
E. Britton (2), J. Dillard (5), Z. Miller (6), T. Underwood (7) |
.555 % |
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2010 |
T. Alualu(1), D. Karim (6) |
D. Smith (3), L. Hart (5), A. Lane (5), S. McGee (6) |
.333 % |
Comments (As I Know People are going to attack some of my choices):
K. Barnes: Produced his rookie season but was underwhelming in his next few seasons. Good in run blocking, terrible in pass blocking. Due to his 4 year stint and poor pass blocking, he is a miss in my opinion.
S. Starks: He is a career back-up. I debated whether to put him as a hit simply because he was with the Jaguars for a number of seasons as a back-up, but in the end I don’t think he contributed enough to be considered a hit.
J. Wyche: I considered him a hit because he met my qualifications of making the team for a number of years since he was only a 7th rounder.
C. Nkang: May only have been with the team for 2 seasons but was excelled as a special teamer and since he was only a 7th round pick I considered him a hit.
E. Monroe/E.Britton: I’m giving Monroe the benefit of the doubt here. Its his 3rd season (took Lewis many seasons to become Pro Bowler) and he has flashed great talent at times, though has been pretty awful in certain games as well. He is a hit, for now. Britton is in a very similar boat but Britton has missed more time due to injuries, so he is a miss for now.
D. Cox: Minus the injury this season (and a short benching last season). He has been decently effective as a starter and considering he was a 3rd round pick I will give him the benefit of the doubt as I did Monroe.
J. Dillard/Z. Miller: Both are still with the team but their injury prone three seasons have kept them a miss for now.
A. Lane: Lane is still with the team and has been decent depth but is done for the year this year and has not been able to contribute much on the field when he has played. He is misses for now.
(Update) Undrafted FA During JDR Era: 17 UFAs have made the Jaguars opening day roster between 2003 and 2010. I did not include them in my original statistics because they are basically free agent pick ups even though they are technically rookies. It is however unfair to leave them out of the discussion. Of these 17 there are have been many that have been important to our team. The most notable would be Montell Owens in 2006 who has become a Pro Bowl special teamer. Also in 2006 Richard Collier deserves recognition as a great pick-up though obviously tragic conditions changed things. In 2009 Russell Allen was able to make the roster and garner playing time and praise right away. In 2010 Kevin Haslam and Kyle Bosworth made the roster and are still with the team again this year though Haslam is out for the season. Overall the UDFA signings are an important aspect that should not be overlooked as it can lead to some great finds. Thought I did not include them in my statistics or analysis I wanted to make sure these players got mentioned because they have become an important part of the Jaguars teams. (Thanks ScottyD4Life)
Analysis By The Numbers:
Total Hits : 26
Total Misses: 38
Total Hit Percentage: .406 %
1st Round Hit Percentage: .375 %
2nd Round Hit Percentage: .571 %
3rd Round Hit Percentage: .500 %
Pro-Bowlers drafted: 3 out of 64 draft picks
Analysis: Most of this information we already know. We know that picks like Reggie Williams and Derrick "Ninja" Harvey were busts. I think the most telling fact that I found in doing this analysis is that the Jaguars seem to be a very boom or bust team when it comes to the draft. If you look at the percentages, we have 4 years of over .500 % draft pick hits which I think is where we need to start being every year. The problem is that we have years (2003, 2005, 2008) where we just miss on a majority of our picks. These years basically set us back as a team. When you miss so badly in certain drafts it ends up being a wasted draft year and it’s hard to improve as a team when the young guys you drafted simply just don’t produce like you thought they would. Another very telling aspect is that we have drafted 64 players between 2003 and 2010, only 3 have become Pro Bowlers. Now obviously it doesn’t take a team of Pro Bowlers to make a team successful, but it sure helps and I think it shows that the Jaguars either are completely missing on their draft choices or are playing it "safe" when it comes to picking players. I would be interested to do this analysis for a team like the Steelers or the Patriots because I feel like there would be more continuity in their success in drafting. Obviously it is hard to predict aspects like injuries but we need to improve our consistency in drafting or our team will not improve. This lack of consistency has culminated in the 1 - 5 start the Jaguars have had this season. Gene Smith came in and attempted to revamp the team from scratch in many areas leading to the ousting of many veterans and an influx of youth at key positions. As much as many stand by the motto "In Gene We Trust" even Gene has already fallen victom to lack of consistency. His first draft in 2009 was about .500 % success percentage but depending on your opinion that could be slightly higher or lower. 2010 however seems to already be heading towards the range of a very poor year. Unless Hart and Lane turn things around quickly, you are looking at only 2 successful picks from that draft (Alualu and Karim) and one will probably be a career special teamer and back-up. Overall we need to start drafting better, our current team is being carried mostly by FA pick-ups on defense and the remaining Shack Harris picks that panned out. Not to plug my own opinion but in the last 8 drafts we have had different coordinators, scouts and GMs but only one aspect has remained the same through all of these many failed drafts...Jack Del Rio. Just food for thought.
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Another great post
I voted for 2005 because Barnes didn’t play well and Jones couldn’t stay clean, and that the others besides Sensabaugh were just bodies.
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As part of you 7th rounders, you should look into the undrafted FA's
Seeing as they are essentially a bonus round draft pick. I say this b/c a guy like montell owens has definitely helped out the Jags so far. he has been a ‘hit’. But i like that were starting to hit on our 1st rounders as of late
Thanks for the reminder
I didn’t add them because they are technically FA pick ups but instead wanted to focus on how we used the draft picks during the draft. I do think I needed to add a section about the UDFAs though because you are right the have been important. Updated and Added. Thanks
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Reggie Williams was not a miss.
He is a talented WR. He holds (shares with Marcedes) the franchise single season recieving TD record. It was a couple of off the field mistakes that turned the front office against him. I miss him.
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You get drafted that high to be Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald, not…well, Reggie Williams.
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by MoveThoseChains on Oct 20, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Every WR taken in 1st is Megatron or Larry Fitzgerald?
Reggie was good. Off field troubles ruined his NFL career. Still can’t take away his 10 receiving TDs in a season. More than any WR in Jag history.
I wish we still had him. He’d be the best on the team with or without MSW.
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If we still had him
he’d be even slower and that just pains me to think about it. You really want him back? He caught 10 TD’s, big whoop, somebody has to catch them. Don’t bring up that Jimmy never caught 10 because he had Keenan catching them also.
On a side note...
He caught a TD in the UFL this season. They only played 3 games though.
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I loved when he would dance after a short gain.
He was an entertainer. I met him several times off the field and he signed so many things for me, and talked to me for a while…he was a really nice guy.
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That's a good story
I’ve never heard any personal stories about Reggie, but I’m glad that he was a good guy to the fans.
He did have 10 TDs in a season
but he had 8 combined TDs in all his other seasons. He had one good year where he got a lot of red zone targets, doesn’t mean he was worth #9 overall
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Exactly.
I’d be fine with him as a 2nd round pick, but a 1st rounder on him??? I’d rather have Matt Jones back and do a line with him before the Monday night game.
Haha...Matt Jones is the second worst pick in this franchise's history...
R. Jay Soward being the distinguished #1 worst ever.
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Derrick Harvey by far is the worst pick
especially considering what we gave up to get him
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It's a great piece, nice job.
I guess I personally don’t really get that into where guys are drafted and all the analysis. I really don’t care, as long as we end up getting players that produce. To me where a guy gets picked is meaningless (because I’m not paying the salary…LOL) if he’s doing something for the team on the field.
But it’s a thorough analysis, well done.
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If Gene is back...
who do you think he will go after this upcoming draft – or, more generally, what position do you think he would be inclined towards?
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My problem with this.....
Missing on a 3rd-rnd pick is far less damaging to a team than missing on a 1st.
Also, Harvey wasn’t just a 1st rnd pick; he was a 1st, two 3rds and a 4th. Cox wasn’t a 3rd, he was a 3rd AND a 2nd.
I think a proper weighing of the picks would show that the Jags are actually far worse at drafting.
Sad but true.
Would be curious to see how differently the percentages would be with a scale for the picks.
I did think about how the trades for picks does change things
The problem was that coming up with a non-biased or sensable weighting system would take a lot more time. I do agree that Harvey and Cox do hold a lot more weight due to the picks we gave up for them.
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Cox wasn't a 3rd and 2nd
he was a 2010 2nd traded to pick a 2009 3rd.
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by unhipcat on Oct 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It always amazes me that people don’t understand this concept.
by mab0270 on Oct 20, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t understand how you can count guys like Jennings and Karim as hits, but Barnes and Pearman as busts.
That makes no sense.
Barnes gets slotted down a lot by fans because he was a turd, but on the field he was just as good as Eugene Monroe has been and he was drafted in the 2nd round. Alvin Pearman was a 4th round pick who gave you basically what Karim gives you now. Starks as well should be classified as a hit on you’re criteria. Same with LeBrandon Toefield.
Overall though, good job.
I almost forgot about Toefield
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 20, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Monroe looks much more athletic than Barnes IMO
That may be an Al Davis way of looking at things, but this line is much more consistent with Monroe healthy and starting, despite his technique errors. I also think Barnes may have had the help of a younger Meester and Manaui to give him some success at run blocking. I could be wrong here, but I see Barnes at the same technique level as Monroe, but not nearly as athletic.
So...
are you saying you consider Jennings a miss/bust?
Not even close. I’m saying how can you call a guy who played as a back up for two seasons a hit, and another guy who played as a back up/PR for two seasons a miss.
Alfie
He’s a 7th round pick. Jennings has had a bigger impact on the RB situation the more carries he’s garnered. We saw him come on last year once MJD got hurt. I think this year he would’ve had better opportunity to show how he should be considered a hit. No??
Again, I’m not saying Jennings shouldn’t be considered a hit. Why is this so difficult to understand?
I must've been confused
I thought that was the point you were arguing. I also think that with Pearman being a 4th rounder he was a middle round guy that I think everyone was thinking we would get more out of than a punt returner. Not so sure that they thought that Jennings would even make the team. Glad you cleared that up. Keep up the good work!
Because Pearman had no talent.
Not fast, not shifty. In his best year, he rushed for 135 yards.
Rashad Jennings is much better than Pearman if Rashad was running on two broken legs.
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by Brian Levenson on Oct 20, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
2005
Any year that you spend a 1st round pick on a QB turned WR has to be the worst one.
I don't see anything at all about Quinn Gray here
This is good stuff. I’m sure I’ll have more to point out, but the fact remains that 2008 as a whole was the absolute rock bottom year of this franchise. The question is, how much more digging out are we going to need?
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Quinn Gray.
I liked him.
I had also forgotten about George Wrightster. He was a good player. Same for Alvin Pearman.
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He joined the Jags in '02
so I didnt include him even though he didnt start playing until after JDR started coaching. Glad you liked the write-up. Hopefully one more solid draft will do the trick for us. These young players still need a little more time.
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OK...
I’m a little confused about two of the so called misses of the ’09 and ’10 drafts.
How is it that Dillard is considered a miss/bust when this is his first year not being injured? Now if he stays healthy the rest of this season and doesn’t provide any production, then you can add validation to that claim
And D’Anthony Smith suffered a potentially career ending injury, so there should be another category for injured players such as him. He shouldn’t be catergorized as a miss.
Damn, it’s like Shack picked players out of a hat after the second round in the 2008 draft.
Dillard, so far, is a miss.
Just for the fact that, as you said, this is the first time he is staying on the field. I understand injuries are not the players fault, but bottom line is: you can’t help the club when you’re in the tub.
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Yeah I like Dillard
but so far, he’s a miss. However, he has this year to prove otherwise! I see him as a quicker Ernest Wilford ala 2007, if he can stay healthy.
I don't understand...
the premise of a player being a miss so far. He either is or he isn’t in my opinion.
Kterr's criteria
5th and 6th Round Picks: Have to have at least stayed with the team for a few years and been a quality back-up.
Then...
I don’t see how he labeled Lane, Miller and Dillard as misses then under those criteria. Especially when neither of them have had the chance to be with the team for a few years and there is no gurantee that they won’t be with the teams in years to come. Although it’s safe to assume that Miller won’t be here for much longer if he can’t get over his injury issues.
He's giving leeway to 2009 and 2010 draft picks
As for Miller, he’s been a bust, mainly because of the “Dallas Clark” hype that was shoved down our collective throats, in my opinion.
So...
if he begins to contribute now that he can, does he still qualify as a miss? Because it won’t make any sense to label him as a miss, then have to take it back should he start being productive.
you're making the assumption that all ceilings have been reached by now
a very narrow-minded thought process
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How did...
you come to that conclusion? I don’t even know how to respond because I don’t see how you took that out of my comment. Either way, I didn’t make that assumption.
In order for Kterr to write this article
a criteria had to be set. According to his criteria, Dillard is a currently a bust.
I just...
don’t understand how a player who is still on the team who is just getting a chance to contribute can be considered a miss. I can’t consider a player a miss until it is an absolute fact that he can’t contribute.
Are they still on the team because they’re talented, or because the team is deficient of talent at their position?
I think...
that most of times, it is a combination of both. In regards to Dillard, I’d say he is talented but he is also still around because of the deficiency at the receiver position. I think that it’s hard to say what is deciding factor of keeping him around until upgrades at the position have been acquired.
Extremely well done
Informative and reminded me of some key points. It’ll be interesting when Gene Smith if he gets an extension has his picks figured out. I’m changing my position of Gene gradually from blind faith to hesitate to kinda wondering who could do better
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 20, 2011 3:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ignore that
I got 2011 confused with 2010
by TheAsianIdiot on Oct 20, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference between us and more successful organizations?
1st round picks.
by CheapSeat on Oct 21, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Steelers in the same time period
2003 Troy Polamalu DB USC [m]
2004 Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami (OH)
2005 Heath Miller TE Virginia
2006 Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State [n]
2007 Lawrence Timmons LB Florida State
2008 Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois
2009 Evander Hood DT Missouri
2010 Maurkice Pouncey C/G Florida

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