Derek Cox is making an impact defensively
Derek Cox has only started three games this season due to a rib injury that held him out against the Jets in week two and a groin injury that held him out against the Saints, Bengals and Steelers. While William Middleton played admirably in his place during those times, Cox's impact while on the field was never more evident than it was last night.
Traditionally the Jaguars have relied on zone coverages to force QBs into small zones and not allow big plays to happen. With Cox out of the lineup, the Jaguars continued to use this kind of scheme and it was effective, but not nearly as effective as the Jaguars defense was against the Ravens.
Against the Ravens, the Jaguars defense suffocated the offense with man coverages by both Rashean Mathis and Derek Cox that set the tone of the entire defense. Mel Tucker trusted that Cox and Mathis could stay on the man across from them by themselves which allowed the Jaguars to send several different blitzes.
Two of the three sacks on the night came from blitzes with Daryl Smith and Dwight Lowery each taking down Joe Flacco. Had the Ravens receivers been able to beat Cox or Mathis they would've had easy throws and conversions. But they weren't able to.
Assuming Cox and Mathis both stay healthy, the Jaguars could very likely look to continue using the man coverages they were successful with on Monday night. Namely against the Texans who may be without All-Pro wide receiver Andre Johnson.
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rashean and derek were absolute blankets of malaria and chicken pox around all the raven wr’s. i hope the ravens get their vaccinations today.
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outstanding performance
Our corners absolutely shined under the lights playing man to man. Keep in going please.
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Cox...
showed how important he is to this defense with his performance. Now we need him to be able to do it on a consistent basis. Also showed why the CB position is a premium position. You get two corners that can play man to man and a front that can get there with 4 and the options on defense are unlimited.
Wait this can't be right
I thought Cox went to a small school and the team wasted a draft pick trading up to get him ?
</sarcasm
didnt i say cox
is better then we have given him credit for.
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I've been on the Cox bandwagon for a bit myself.
I really think he really is the best player in our secondary when healthy.
He has great measurables and good speed. If he can really get his playing technique more solid, I think he has the potential to be a shut down corner.
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by Brian Levenson on Oct 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I've always been a fan as well
He was even making a fantastic play on the ball on the play he injured himself.
A lot of people criticized JDR last year for benching him but whatever was going on there we know that he wasn’t playing very well before the benching and he’s playing extremely well since he’s been back in the lineup.
Been saying this forever
and everybody calls me an idiot
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 25, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody called you an idiot
I on the other hand got into a very long argument about Alfie concerning Cox’s play and abilities
Nobody supported me there. So I am surprised everyone is coming out of the woodwork now and praising him
But it’s all good, just glad everyone gets it now that the MNF crew said something
*with Alfie
Not to ruffle any feathers, but damn, where was the cavalry then?
I exaggerated a bit with the word "everybody"
but it was like I made a blasphemous statement to some people
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 26, 2011 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Man Coverage
I was so damn happy when I saw them come out in that. Then they kept playing it and it worked extremely well. As long as Mathis and Cox can shut their guys down, this defense will be on point. Its always easier to stop the run when you know you can play cover one or cover zero consistently.
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In all honesty, im glad y’all won last night because now i feel y’all aren’t as desperate for a win as y’all woulda been when y’all played us. that being said, y’alls cornerbacks looked VERY impressive last night.
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second blog to point that out.
guess there is some truth to it. lol
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by Carter Liles on Oct 25, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, i say y'all frequently too
and im a chinese kid born and raised in jax. But I dont say it with a drawl :)
youd rather us won then lost..i think that win gave us so much momentum and confidence coming into houston.
I'm hoping it has the opposite effect.
no way to know until we play though!
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by Carter Liles on Oct 26, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
id be fine with mathis getting an extension
2 or 3 years
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by TheTealDeal on Oct 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No way should we give Mathis 2-3 year deal. Hes too comfortable if you do that. Give him a one year deal for next year.
by Section242 on Oct 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Does he have a choice?? He’s 30ish, losing a half step and from the area. Doubt he would say no. At the very most give him a 2 year deal and hope he doesn’t act like our pro bowl tight end. Imagine how hard these guys would all play if there were only one year contracts ?! Good thing I’m not commissioner.
by Section242 on Oct 25, 2011 8:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least half the league
would be willing to give him a 4 year contract.
by Ewdtrey on Oct 25, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No way anyone would sign him up for a 4 year deal. I gotta disagree with ya on that one.
by Section242 on Oct 25, 2011 11:10 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
@Adam I see you may have noticed my question
In the O-Zone, about our secondary(SHOUT OUT TO JOHN) as if its not apparent all ready. But Cox was clearly the missing piece.
by Speedy101 on Oct 25, 2011 5:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's funny
I made a post after the Saints game saying some things that the Jaguars needed to change on defense to get off the field on 3rd downs; I was basically laughed at after for making these comments. What I mentioned turn into the game plan last weekend at halftime.
One of the things I mentioned was play tight man coverage and hitting the receivers at the line to throw them off their routes and the timing of the play; leads to the pass rush getting better pressure on the QB, causes the QB to be flushed out of the pocket or throw off their back foot and will not allow the running backs to get up field when running off tackle. The jags made these adjustments at half time during the Steelers game and stuck with the same game plan for this game.
I am curious on how they will fair against a scary backfield that has Foster & Tate. Also Schaub throwing to Daniels and Dressen will be interesting; can the jags stop the TE’s?
Obviously
everyone wants to get off the field on third down. No one is going to argue with you there. I think the argument was that the offense needs to it’s part to stay on the field.
Agree with you there
My whole thing is playing soft zone coverage will not allow your D to get off the field and allow the other team to eat the clock
But you have to have the players
And without Cox, they didn’t
+1
And up to this year we didn’t have the pass rush that would expose eventually and we didn’t have the safeties playing as well as they have recently.
I think our pass rush is underrated, and that’s the best place to be. I dare to say it, but, I think mincey will be that elite end we’ve been praying for. It’s amazing how much Cullen has changed this d line in his second year.
by mattarne on Oct 25, 2011 9:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it has a lot to do with the safeties, more than anything else. The significantly improved play at safety allows the defense to play man underneath now.
I did see Cox get beat down the field by Boldin, but Flacco just completely missed him. One of the safeties was late over too, not sure which it was.
If it had so much to do...
with the safeties? Then why was the jump from Middleton to Cox so obvious? Middleton was playing with the same safety group that Cox played with last night.
The jump wasn’t obvious. The difference was the style of play.
The effectiveness of the pass defense itself was just as good. Being able to play man vs. zone changes the style of defense played, not the effectiveness.
So..
if Cox wasn’t in, do you believe they would’ve employed the same defensive scheme? I’m inclined to say no. And if you do think they would have, do you think Middletone would’ve played as well as Cox did?
Cox being back didn’t make the pass defense any better than it had been without him. Cox being in allowed the Jaguars to play a different style of pass defense.
There was no jump in play between the two players, just a change in style.
And the style of play from last night has been more effective
Not dramatically so, but there’s a difference.
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by Adam Stites on Oct 25, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
“Cox being back didn’t make the pass defense any better than it had been without him. Cox being in allowed the Jaguars to play a different style of pass defense.”
In your mind, this isn’t another way of saying more effective?
Cox allowed them to play another style
That style was more effective
Ergo, Cox makes them more effective
Right?
I didn't want...
to say anything after that comment. The debate would’ve never ended.
You sure he got beat
And that he wasn’t released deep?
You also said Rashean wasn’t responsible for that TD to Green, and then JDR said he was
Cox looked damn good man. Just like he has since about the middle of last year. Come on, you can admit that now right?
Haha, don’t get mad now, just saying, his value was pretty evident the other night
They were playing press man. Last I checked, you don’t release guys on press man.
I actually said we didn’t know the coverage on the Green TD and Mathis went inside and looked like he was covering two people.
Cox did look good. I don’t believe I said he didn’t. Stop being so sensitive about it. You act like I’ve said Cox is terrible and completely worthless.
Trust me man, I am not being sensitive
You did say Mathis was not to blame. You may have modified it later, but it is all good.
Its just that Cox has looked good most of the season, and you got into a long discussion with me about how there was no dropoff between Middleton and Cox and that it proved that Cox was just an average player
Those were your words. I am just pleased that he was spotlighted on Monday night for his strong play, because sometimes when a corner is playing well people don’t notice- that is, his man isn’t targeted frequently
You can press in a zone too, and I am not convinced they played man every play, but you could be right. I didn’t see the play, so I was asking you, only slightly facetiously, if you were certain Cox was beaten
It just seemed like an unnecessary jab, given his overall play.
All that said, I am in good spirits, not being sensitive. Just calling you to account on an old argument. You said the man was just average and that there was a wide gulf between him and Mathis (It’s not even close") and that Middleton was basically just as good.
I know there is still football left to be played, but I was not surprised by Cox’s performance on Monday, and I have to believe you were.
I am split on this
The safeties are vast improvement anything we had here in the past decade. And we know they can cover ground if one of our DB gets beat. But not allowing the receivers to get separation to make the catch not only will cause a better chance of an in completion but a turnover which could go the other way for a touchdown. More sacks will also come because of the ability to send blitzers. When you keep playing soft zone coverage because you are afraid to give up a big gain…that’s playing scared and one thing I know from playing is you can’t play this game scared. Much better off playing this type of defense and mixing zones in depending on the type of team they are playing. This defense will also keep the score closer which will be much better for the offense to stay in the game and try to control the clock.
know who played their ass off last night and will get little attention for it?
Greg Jones is one of the best blockers I have ever seen. That guy is a nightmare. He was hitting soooo hard last night, not to mention his biceps are the size of alfies thigh. I wish he would get more carries and a little more glory but, man, ive never seen someone block so hard for their running back. Greg Jones and Daryl Smith= 2 nasty ass honey badgers. they just dont give a shit
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I agree with ya. Smith and jones hit HARD and they are huge in person. They deserve way more respect than they get. The only downside of jones is his lack of hands and lateral abilities but I guess if your a hulk it comes with the territory.
by Section242 on Oct 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But you have to have the players
and without Cox they didn’t
When Cox is healthy, he is a stud.
Mathis came to play last night, he wanted it bad right off the first pass you could tell he was pumped i loved it
I admit I never played organized football, so I don't know the technical jargon...
but what I liked best about Rashean’s and Cox’s play last night was the fact that they weren’t giving the usual huge cushion to the reciever. They were up on him at the line. Is that standard for man defense? If so, I love it.
Also, will we be able to stay in man defense, or was that just a one time thing because Baltimore was vulnerable to it?
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They were in press man, well at least Mathis was
Meaning they are doing all they can do to jam the receiver at the line to keep him from getting separation….The downside would be the fact that if the WR’s could break off they would be wide open
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 25, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as the CBs can beat the WRs from the other team one on one they can keep running man
Whether or not Andre Johnson plays next Sunday could be a big deciding factor as to whether or not they run man against Houston.
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Whether or not Andre Johnson plays next Sunday could be a big deciding factor as to whether or not they run man against Houston.
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I thought saying anything positive about Derek Cox was against the site rules
I agree he played great last night and so did Mathis, playing man-coverage changes the defense for the better, hopefully they can continue that against Houston.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 25, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions
Scary thing
about playing Houston is that if Andre Johnson is healthy and elite receiver will eat up man to man coverage.
We will see
I think they may fare better than most think, I doubt it will be suffocating like last night but still solid.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 25, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
4 years in..
I hope he is..lol
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 25, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Flacco looked really bad.
You don’t have 52% completions if you’re a good QB just fallen on hard times. He’s seriously struggling all over the field.
His O-line hasn’t been helping him out much, but a good QB can adjust and Flacco hasn’t.
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by Brian Levenson on Oct 26, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Secondary played extremely well last night...
now on to next week! The big thing will be wether or not Andre Johnson plays. With Andre Johnson the Texans have an excellent passing attack, without him they have a good passing attack. I’m curious to see who they will have mark Johnson?
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 25, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He's played well in spurts
And last night may have been his best effort to date. I wanna see him continue to play that way.
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by unhipcat on Oct 25, 2011 9:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think it is pretty clear that Cox made a difference. They were able to use a different defense and play more man with Cox than they did with Middleton in. The reason they did that in my opinion was because they may have felt more confidant with his man to man ability, than with Middleton’s. Why cant we all just agree that cox played very well, and we are all hoping to see his improvement. Cox is a good corner, plain and simple.
But it shows
that Mathis is really good in man, but bad in zone.
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by rhettchrystal on Oct 25, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
But he makes a lot more mistakes
and is more prone to giving up the big-play in zone.
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by rhettchrystal on Oct 25, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He takes risks
So his mistakes are magnified. But he’s also the franchise leader in interceptions and interceptions returned for touchdowns because of those risks.
Ultimately though, he’s good in both schemes.
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by Adam Stites on Oct 26, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
My point is that for whatever reason the scheme that we used had not been used before, and Cox comes back and we use it. It worked and we won becuase of it. No, not saying because of Cox we won, saying how we played was why we won. I guess we will see in the next few weeks how well he plays. My expectations of him has gotten higher because of this performance, so hopefully he does not let me down.
by Demetrius82 on Oct 25, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
And he played well
What, exactly, is the point?
Why do you keep acting like I’m saying Cox didn’t play well Monday?
My point was; just getting Cox back wasn’t the determining factor in the defensive scheme because they didn’t play it when he played earlier in the season. Yes, Cox is better in man than Middleton, but it had more to do with trust in the safeties than getting Cox back.
I think you could make the argument that it was a bit of both
I am just giving you a hard time because of our discussion earlier this season
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