A Jaguars wide receiver has to step up
by Alfie Crow on Oct 5, 2011 8:31 AM EDT
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PrintLast Sunday against the New Orleans Saints, something offensively stuck out like a sore thumb for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Their wide receivers struggled to produce, even facing predominantly man and single coverage. Jaguars wide receiver Mike Thomas, their defacto No. 1 receiver, led the team in receptions once again catching 5 passes for 73 yards on 11 targets. Thomas' stat line looks nice, but outside of the wide receiver screen Thomas took 47 yards, he had 4 catches for 26 yards. The Saints blanketed him on anything over 10 yards.
Same goes for the other Jaguars receivers. Adam Stites highlighted yesterday the receivers struggles to get open and it was apparent on Sunday at the game. While rookie quarterback Blaine Gabbert did miss on throws, especially in the second half, his receivers didn't do him any favors by failing to create separation and dropping passes. The Jaguars can expect more of the same, coverage wise, going forward. Someone's going to have to show the ability to get open and make plays against man coverage.
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Cecil Shorts...
Dude looks like he’s stuck in mud… I know his game! and this aint his game.
Lewis and Miller has too be the 1 and 2 punch. Mike Thomas is a guy whos gonna get alot of balls, but he needs help.
I look for Jacksonville to draft 2 stud wideouts and put Thomas in the slot. OMG!!! Imagine what that guy would do to nickel backs and linebackers. Help is on the way guys.
Please just keep you sanity.
B.MILLS
by B.Mills on Oct 5, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully Hill and Shorts
are working hard on this after studying film. Chastin West may also improve but I’m afraid he’ll be inactive once Osgood is back in the lineup.
Jaxson>>>
Maybe not if they keep 6 on the roster.
He will definitely play next week.
by JagSoldier on Oct 5, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Watching film
Doesn’t increase talent.
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Is this years recieving group worse than the one in 2003?
We had guys like Matthew Hatchette, Jermaine Lewis, Kevin Johnson, Cortez Hankton, Troy Edwards, and J.J. Stokes, and managed to finish with a respectable passing game with a rookie quarterback.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
He was suspended 4 games
Plus, no other reciever had more than 35 catches for the year.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
you know what's funny? A history lesson
No one knew who Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith were until 1996. Castoffs. They didn’t do much til Brunell was firmly entrenched in the position. We tried with Desmond Howard, nothing. Andre Rison? Nothing. Willie Jackson? Ernest Givins? Pete Mitchell? Curtins Marsh? Nada.
I still firmly believe the qb makes the receiver and we have adequate pieces in place, need a gamebreaker, but I imagine that comes in the draft next year.
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Well, we’ve had a lot of these guys, previously. It’s not like 1996 in that sense. We know who these guys are. All of them but Shorts and West have been here for a while.
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Do we really know what we have with Dillard? or Hill for that matter?
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Oh my God...
enough with the Dillard already. We know what he is: a tissue soft player who can’t stay on the field.
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point is,
I am still of the belief that our receiving corps were in effect stunted by the limitations of the quarterback play, from Garrard to Bouman to Edwards to McCown. Garrard did have his strengths, but in the final shakedown, he was a homesless man’s Donovan McNabb.
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I still believe our recieving corps is average at best
Just like our previous quarterback.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
You can win with average receivers
but not consistently (just like the previous quarterback). We need a guy who can really beat the defense and force them to scheme him to be successful week in and week out. I want to say “playmaker,” but that word has a negative connotation around here.
I agree
Would be nice if we could draft a good reciever, but that hasn’t worked out well lately.
You can't reason with unreasonable people.
If you ain't first, you're last.
The Lions were saying the same thing
and then they drafted Calvin Johnson. I guess the saying is that “you can’t draft scared.” Also, now that the draft picks aren’t getting paid so much, it’s not as much risk anymore.
I wish our receivers were average
Unfortunately, they are among the league’s worst
One thing about Jimmy Smith,
he was released by the Cowboys, then the Eagles. You never know who could emerge.
Jaxson>>>
One more thing about Jimmy Smith
The Sake House roll of his is fantastic. I saw David Garrard eating there before. I bet he always wishes he had a Jimmy Smith.
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL!
by DownTownJax on Oct 5, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jimmy made a huge difference
But. We can win with the guys we have, as Blaine develops. And he will develop.
I can’t help it, but I still have hopes for Jason Hill (not gonna be a popular sentiment, I know)
He needs to catch the damn ball, but he has been open a few times, and Blaine had him deep in the Carolina game (eve though it was Darius Butler in coverage)
by smy on Oct 5, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, I want to like Hill...
But WTF is with him falling down? Get that cat some shoes that fit. It’s so frustrating when a pass sails by him as he is rolling on the turf…
Fidelis Ad Mortem
+1
I crushed my drink in my hand when he slipped on that fourth down.
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Are we looking like a blackout this week?
by zoxitic on Oct 5, 2011 9:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's not looking good
about 8,000 tickets left.
Luke Akerstrom will be honorary captain this Sunday.
Jaxson>>>
Only if they give them away to all of the local colleges and military
Don’t see it happening unless there is a 3500-4000 spike today
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I still think 4,000 is the magic number for Wayne Weaver
being that he owes Everbank $100K per blackout, I don’t see how he won’t get “corporate involvement”.
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If there is a blackout....
of the whiteout, will the resulting effect be a grayout? And a quick comment on the whiteout shirt……they did not have any for us normal sized guys…2XL. None at the stadium, and a guy told me that Fanatics did not have any either. I guess we will all look like Fonzie in our white t-shirts!
It also doesn't look good for Thanksgiving weekend Texans game
I think our run of sellouts is done. We’re selling like 100-200 a day, that just aint gonna cut it.
by Atl- Jags Fan on Oct 5, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Having never played receiver....
nor QB for that matter, is there a lot to the timing or rhythm between the passer and the receiver. From my seat, it looks like Blaine can zip the ball in there a bunch quicker than DG could. Is that causing an adjustment problem, or should that all be handled by now, or is it not that big of a deal?
Timing
is huge because, on timing routes, the QB needs to throw the ball to a spot which the WR hasn’t even cut to yet. Plus, there needs to be some chemistry involved for there to be consistency. I believe the more completions that are made, the more confident the QB and receivers get (more confident throws and better route running). Another thing too, as a receiver, imagine sprinting down the field all the time on your route, thinking you’re wide open and never get the ball. You tend to lay off a bit on your effort.
Jaxson>>>
I was a bit frustrated.....
I think it was the second quarter when Blaine threw a long ball down the Jags sideline (heading south) and it looked like the receiver (Hill I think) had already pulled up and given up on the pass. I don’t know if he could have got there, but a little better effort would have been appreciated.
Exactly,
it is frustrating and you cannot defend these guys, they make a crap-load of money. Show some passion, and run every play as if it’s your last. That’s why I love players like Ray Lewis. Whatever, or whoever, it may be, you know when you’re watching someone do something with passion.
Jaxson>>>
None of the receivers on this team make a crap-load of money
And just because someone isn’t shouting and dancing doesn’t mean they don’t have a passion for what they are doing. Thats one of my biggest pet peeves about fans, you can’t judge someone from the volume of their voice or that body language nonsense
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 5, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They make - MONEY.
And, you don’t have to be dancing around like an idiot to convey passion. Please, don’t confuse me with guy that screams and hollers every time someone drops a ball or misses a tackle.
Jaxson>>>
I was judging it...
by the fact that he did not complete his route…or so it seemed. Granted, I was on the other side of the field, but ball looked catchable had the receiver completed his route. I understand that there was coverage there, but at least he would have had a shot at it.
But I do agree......
I do not care one it about the volume of their voice or the body language. In fact, I am also most impressed with the guy that gets it done, and just gets up and trots back to the huddle like it was nothing. I like that.
The timing requires an adjustment
but the separation problem that the receivers are having doesn’t have to do with the quarterback. Typically, that’s either a route running issue or a speed issue.
There was a pass play.....
a crossing route from the jags side of the field toward the saints side, heading north. We caught the ball (Thomas or Hill I think), but he was caught from behind by at least one if not more Saints. This kind of speaks to your speed issue. Even if they do get momentary separation, how long can they keep it?
Shorts needs more looks
1) Needs to be targeted more despite early drops (maybe just one…not sure)
2) He needs to not return punts. Put M80 back there – if the Ravens can risk Ed Reed returning kicks every one in a while let’s not treat M80 like he’s a glass house.
I'm thinking they wanted to give Shorts a taste of the field
kind of a crawl before you walk.
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I havent seen shorts drop a pass
But I have seen him run the wrong route a few times
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 5, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe now that its Fall...
the humidity will lighten up, allowing Hill to show his skills.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Receivers have to be better
And I think the TEs should be used more. I think whether its Lewis or Miller on the field, its an advantage. Carolina uses theirs alot and its had a lot to do with Newton’s early success.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 5, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes but the TEs have really been his saving grace
Olsen and S hockey are the targets that get him the most yards and give him easiest throws. Being able to run those two TE sets and pass out of that formation is what really has helped him in my opinion.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 5, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
and yet they're 1-3
and the one game they won was in spite of him.
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Trusting the wr's
I remember reading an article before Blaine was drafted where his coach talked about the difference between his 1st and 2nd year. When he had Alexander he was more comfortable and effective in the passing game. The next year he would overthrow receivers due to lack of trust. I am seeing that same thing happening with the jaguars wide receivers.
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