Jaguars lose again after offense struggle in the second half...again
Five consecutive weeks of offensive struggles in the second half is the largest reason why the Jaguars are just 1-4 and was again the reason for their 30-20 loss to the Bengals. While the seven points were the most scored by the Jaguars in the second half all season, they simply could not move the ball and put too much pressure on the defense to stop the Bengals offense.
These are the second half drives for the Jaguars today:
| Start | Plays | Yards | Result |
| JAC38 | 4 | 3 | Punt |
| JAC38 | 4 | 1 | Punt |
| JAC20 | 10 | 33 | Punt |
| JAC25 | 4 | -9 | Punt |
| JAC20 | 3 | 80 | Touchdown |
| JAC2 | 4 | 4 | Punt |
| JAC33 | 3 | -16 | Fumble |
| JAC14 | 1 | -4 |
Fumble |
With the exception of a 74 yard touchdown to Jason Hill on blown coverage by Reggie Nelson (oh the irony), the Jaguars offense did absolutely nothing. Not helping their cause were punts of 22, 23 and 32 yards in the second half from everyone's favorite punter, Matt Turk. While we'll have much more analysis of the loss throughout the coming days here at BCC, my initial thought is that I'd be surprised if Jack Del Rio is coaching in week six and absolutely floored if Turk is still punting.
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 9, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Punt Returner and Punter
They both suck big ones…….cecil shorts is just awful returning punts..
Turk needs to meet the turk right now……..truly pathetic.
Yeah this season is a wash, we have a good base but yeah time to purge this team
Maybe not a joseph stalin style purge but close enough
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Texans lost
All 4 AFC South team lost today…We are still just 2 games behind… Just saying
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 9, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
who cares
watching this football team is like watching paint dry…….just awful
bad football…poorly coached and executed. bad team.
I feel for you MJD.
Bad team?
Or a bad punter and poor qb play?
Seems pretty clear to me.
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
8 and 8
with a worse defense. You make the call.
Do I think Garrard is better?
Like right now?
Definitely.
By next season?
Doubt it.
I mean, everyone wants to complain about the receivers, but the receiving corps really hasn’t changed and the defense is vastly improved.
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I should clarify my comments
Garrard got us to 8-8 with a easier schedule and a TE who was in a contract year. Only person with a contract year on offense is the OC. Garrard might have gotten us to 3-13 or 4-12 this year, but was not worth his contract
Don't put so much stock in contract year
You can say what you want about what our record would have been, but considering the record over the past two seasons, with a totally ineffective defense and basically the same receivers and tailback, I feel fairly confident the team could be much better than4-12
You have your opinions and I have mine, but I don’t see the basis for such a claim when this team has been an average day at qb away from two wins and being competitive in two other games
So, I don’t see the argument
But, it doesn’t matter, he isn’t on the team. He is, as Alfie says, at home
I was responding to a question posed by someone else
Meanwhile, he’s still at home.
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by Alfie Crow on Oct 9, 2011 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The facts are these
Garrard as QB, decent offense that can score points
the FO was a little premature in releasing him, he gave us our best chance to win. Gabbert will be the answer in the future, but there is no way he post a 90 QB rating this year. We took Garrard for granted and now look at the mess we call our offense.
Well he was at 87 yesterday
And also he throws the ball away instead of taking stupid sacks most of the time so that will bring his rating down a little.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 10, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
BG's play was ok... Meester needs to help by getting the ball in his hands!
In the face of adversity, what you do from then on dictates who you really are...
Fire Del Rio now, what do we have to lose at this point?
Honestly, it wouldn’t be a rash decision. Lose him now and start looking for a replacement. We know it will happen by season’s end, why put it off?
Was listening to the radio on the way home
They’re pimping the fact that the Jags are only 2 games out of first and therefore the season is not lost. Which is true, mathematically the Jags can win the division. However, the Jags might win one more game (I figure we’ll split vs. Colts) and be the leaders in the Suck for Luck campaign
honestly
i would fire del rio and name koetter head coach. Then I see whether JD wwas really holding Koetter back and if with freedom to call games how he wants, Koetter can get this offense going. If he can’t, then we get a new punter who can punt real well and punt koetter as far away from jacksonville as possible
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Man im so glad they made a deal to buy those tickets to avoid a blackout
now even more people saw us suck hard at the end
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Im still stunned that meester snapped that, second time this season he's blown us a game
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by Afjags on Oct 9, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Karim too
I feel like every time we hand him the ball its a wasted play and down. His little 2 yard runs make me wanna scream. But not as bad as seeing Shorts contantly watching a punt get downed inside the ten as he walks nonchalantly off the field.
by Blair72 on Oct 9, 2011 4:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Everyone said he had to let it bounce when its past the 10
he let it bounce
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a horrible punt returner, period.
by Blair72 on Oct 9, 2011 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Meester didn't snap the ball
We had a chance. A small one, but still a chance. The fact that so many things went wrong speaks volumes about the coaching job done here.
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by DownTownJax on Oct 9, 2011 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm SO mad at Meester
but realistically if turk knew how to punt the ball (beyond our own 50) I think the Jags would have stopped them! But still Meester is a Moron…no excuse for that bad snap
by Jags85 on Oct 9, 2011 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
JDR will be gone by the bye week
With the Steelers, Ravens and Texans all up next…yea better starting scouting top players in next years draft. Blackmon? Couples? Kalil?
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by Zoltan from Budapest on Oct 9, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give
Gabbert a receiver and we will see.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Oct 9, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't see where Reggie Nelson had anything to do with that touchdown.
Was he even on the field?
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It was cover two and he bit on the underneath route
Leon Hall turned Jason Hill over to Nelson and he wasn’t there anymore. It was 100% on Nelson.
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I see now that he was the safety on that side, but Hall was the one punching himself in the head on the sideline.
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Are you trying to say Nelson bit on a play fake and/or double move…?
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by Alfie Crow on Oct 9, 2011 11:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I thought
But I think Leon Hall might have been confused, because he seemed to be blaming himself afterwards
Not sure though, I could have misread his body language
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest issue to me was the offensive line
they got absolutely punked by the Bengals who played a lot faster and stronger up front I thought. Gabbert had 2 really great plays in the 2nd half, the big TD pass showed off his arm but the play where he escaped pressure and threw across his body to Hill was a really athletic play. The rest of the half though he was being harassed, even MJDs good runs were a product of him alone.
The punting is not far behind, Turk had another awful day and has to be replaced. I can’t really judge the receivers today because I didn’t think Blaine got time to throw, but as I said last week we really miss Rashad Jennings. Deji is a bad RB, he doesn’t fit what we need from our backup (pass blocking, hard running, a clue) and its making everyone want to just throw MJD out there for every snap.
Overall the talent is still not there in my opinion, we have a solid defense that should continue to be good but besides Blaine our skill positions are really lacking depth and our line is not much more then serviceable.
What?
Besides Blaine?
He is a rookie, sure, but honestly, he missed open guys frequently in this game
Obviously he gets a pass, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t his fault or that he played well
He played very poorly in this game.
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That's part of having a rookie QB
Doesn’t anyone remember the book on Blaine?
All I read about him before the draft was that he had the most talent of the 2011 QB prospects but that he wasn’t ready to play based on his footwork, mechanics, and pocket presence
I mean, are we not seeing that in bold relief right now?
At this point, we are all in so be patient and keep your expectations low for this offense. It is a one man show until Gabbert can start getting the ball to the receivers. Not that his options are fantastic, but they are serviceable and will look better as he gets better
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They looked fine last year
Lewis, Thomas, and MJD
You are gonna have a hard time arguing that those players are not “serviceable”
I mean, do what you like, but you sure as hell aren’t going to convince me that this team is losing because of its offensive skill players
Jason Hill was open plenty.
The line was a problem, but there was time. Better than 2009.
Look all I am saying is that people need to understand one simple thing: this team will win when Blaine Gabbert is ready.
Based on the defense and MJD’s presence, it is obvious the team can be competitive, if they can get consistent QB play. You can’t win with the throws Gabbert was making.
I think he will get it corrected, but that doesn’t change the fact that it needs to be corrected. There is a reason you are hearing about his footwork from players and coaches. His accuracy has been very poor thus far.
We can blame Meester all we want, but the truth is, the game shouldn’t have been that close
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The offensive skill players are poor outside of MJD and Lewis
and Lewis can’t be used on passing downs as much when our line is getting overwhelmed like today.
I said it above (again) that Rashad Jennings would help us out a ton, we would always have a running threat on the field if he was on the team. Instead Deji is a non threat that can’t block, Blaine becomes a sitting duck when Kareem is standing behind him. On the receiver side Thomas can’t spring free, I really like what he does but he should be working the slot. I’ve never been a Jason Hill guy, he made a few huge plays today but I won’t be surprised if he finishes next week 2 – 22 with 3 drops. The rest of our pass catchers haven’t proven anything in the league, until they do they are unknowns, and several of them have been with us for a few years now.
Our skill position depth IS a big issue, you can’t convince me otherwise.
As far as Blaines play your right that he isn’t flawless, but like I wrote below our other plays have to pick him up. Its the same story the last few years, we aren’t losing because of our QB, we’re losing as a team. As our other players get better I think we will see more wins because its just going to take time and work with Gabbert. I think though that its going to take changes with our other guys though.
Listen
No one is arguing that we don’t have issues at receiver. We need a great player there. But not having a great receiver is not an excuse for poor production on offense, or at least not for the lack of production we have seen thus far
If the issue were coming down to on or two plays and receivers were blowing it, that would be one thing, but when your QB is under 50% on the season, blaming the receiving corps is missing the point, particularly when they have been productive for a different QB
I am not attacking Gabbert, I am just saying, while we need more quality at receiver, what we really need is better QB play, which I believe will come with time
When Gabbert can get his timing, accuracy, and footwork to a professional level, you will see more from the receivers and more room for MJD
There have been a lot of plays left on the field, and regardless of what your personal opinions may be regarding the quality of our receivers and backs, there were opportunities that went uncapitalized
I agree
I do agree with you that Blaine isn’t all there, in fact he is incredibly inaccurate. I can accept that because he is anticipating who will be open so well that he is throwing fewer and fewer balls that have a chance to be picked off, the dude is a smart player.
I guess where you and I are disagreeing is I don’t expect him to be good, and perhaps I should because he is a professional. I do however expect veterans to step up and earn their keep, which I feel isn’t happening at all. The defense is playing wonderfully like you’ve said many times and it does suck for them that we aren’t coming away with W’s, but if they keep this up then they will still have jobs at the end of the year. The way things are going for our offense I think a lot of guys are looking to be replaced, Gabbert is an exception.
Today was a fiasco with the line
I don’t know why I am the only one talking about them, I thought they sucked today. The Bengals have incredible energy in their front guys, they were relentless and our big guys didn’t step up. I’m not enthralled with Blaine but its clear to me that he has some serious talent, and today I thought he flashed it but he also rushed some throws which I thought was on the line. I can understand if you see otherwise.
My expectations went out the door when we released Garrard, I didn’t expect us to compete for a playoff spot after that. Blaine didn’t disappoint me today though, Deji, Shorts, Turk and our entire line did.
I agree
That his play is not disappointing
But it also wasn’t inspiring. He looks like a rookie who needs to develop.
All I am saying is that the team will have a hard time winning until he settles down.
The line wasn’t great, but that isn’t why the game was lost.
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I want the rest of the team to pick it up to help him out
the line dropped him today and the receivers have been consistently letting him down.
Is Gabbert ‘good’ right now? I don’t think so, but hes shown off why he could be and really he isn’t doing anything downright poorly. The difference between him and the line, receivers and a bunch of other guys is that he is a rookie and I haven’t seen some of our other guys improve. Our receivers are who they were last year and our line got run down today and didn’t respond. Thats a big reason for the failings of our offense, we don’t have enough talent to help out young guys we plug in.
And there is never any one reason a game is lost, I’m sure you agree with that. The truth is that despite their poor play along with Deji, Turk…heck our entire special teams, we still had a shot to win. I think that if our big guys handle the other teams pressure better that Blaine plays better and we have a better shot to win, but we fix everything thats wrong then we are a Super Bowl team.
He is throwing the ball poorly
He had some flash plays and has done enough to show us all what he can become
But don’t tell me he isn’t doing anything down right poorly; he threw two balls at receivers feet with little to no pressure and was off target more times than I can count. He had one drop from Hill.
The pressure was not that bad. There were some bad plays, but there was not consistent pressure in his face. Don’t exaggerate that.
The issues on the offense go beyond Gabbert, but if he had been better, this was a winnable game.
I can say that he needs to play better for us to win without saying that he sucks or that he is the only problem.
He is a rookie and he is playing like it. Little has changed int hat department since preseason.
But this team has lost two games
that it should have won, and he was 4-18 in the second half last week
He is struggling right now. That’s the way it is.
Doesn’t mean he will never play well, but he isn’t right now.
Why is this hard to swallow? Did you see the defense? They deserve a victory and it is frustrating as hell to see the effort wasted.
Of course it isn’t all on Gabbert, but he is playing quarterback in the NFL. He has to make plays and he hasn’t been, outside of that gift to Hill
Your right, hes not playing well
but hes playing better then I expected. I’d rather show restraint in judging Gabbert because he is only a rookie playing a tough position. Of course he misses throws, I counted 6 poor ones today. The pressure WAS having an effect though, notice on plays after the defense got a hit on Blaine he threw most of his bad balls (4 in the second half alone, you can go back and watch). If this is year 3 I’m blaming Gabbert for not being composed, but year 1 I’m blaming the offensive line who should be taking it upon themselves to protect the QB and be leaders on the field by doing their job better.
Gabbert isn’t perfect, but he isn’t playing poorly by himself. His teammates aren’t helping him out.
Newton: 1610 yds, 58.2 completion percentage, 7td’s, 6 int’s, and 84.3 qb rating
Dalton: 1047 yds, 59.2 completion percentage, 6 td’s, 5int’s and a 78.7 qb rating
Gabbert: 608 yds, 49.5 completion percentage 3 td’s 2 int’s and a 71.2 qb rating
Their numbers is somewhat closer than most people think.
by leopold332002 on Oct 10, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I could stop watching
But I can’t.
by Blair72 on Oct 9, 2011 4:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yea
Was a tough catch but he should’ve had it
Gabbert missed him badly on a play where he was wide open in the 1st quarter I think
Honestly, we just need the kid to develop, otherwise this is a game they should have won. Turk blew it, but it shouldn’t have been so close
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
you trade that pick are you serious.....
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Luck is worth at least 2 #1s and 2 #2s.
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exactly.....
WE dont need him, if by some bad mojo we wind up with the 1st pick you trade it for all you can get.
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
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We actually only have like 2 d-3 guys on the roster..
so idk where thats coming from
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
huh? you forgot to block quote? haha
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Put @ at the beginning and end of the sentance
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by tiquanunderwear on Oct 9, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
might be so
but trading the luck pick would possess much greater value. Luck representa around 4 draft picks, whereas you would be lucky to get 2 for Gabbert
Why theres no garentee that, Luck amounts to much in the NFL.....
hmmm……Ryan Leaf comes to mind….Rather someone else take that gamble and get there picks for him and stick with knowing GAB has much to still learn and apears that arrow is pointing Way up on him.
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oh and ....
capitalize on them and get some good picks, or players….for there eager and desier for him.
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
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Ryan Leaf was nothing like luck.... Luck is in a PRO STYLE offense already.. Leaf was not!
Luck will be good….
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you can not
Garantee that….no one can…..
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I say take him. Look at the college videos, Luck is way better than Gabbert.
Take Luck and trade Gabbert
why, wed still be with out a
- receiver, Luck wouldnt do any better. Look why Dalton is having success, why newton is having success, they both have really really good sure fire catching receivers.
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We do need a WR
However, if you have the #1 overall pick, you draft the best overall player if you can’t get a reasonable trade
Based on what?
Luck is a much better more highly developed player than Gabbert
Blaine might become good, but Luck is a more accomplished/polished guy
Honestly, if Garrard can succeed with these receivers, Gabbert should be able to also
Stop acting like the QB position isnt an issue currently
He will be fine down the line, but he hasn’t been close to fine the last 3 games. Sorry, but our receivers are not so bad that he should be under 50% complete this season
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Garrard didn't exactly "succeed"
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
OK
That is an opinion, but he wasn’t exactly a failure either. He was pretty good most of last season
He certainly put up pretty good numbers considering everyone’s current opinion of our receiving corps. Last year it was about David not throwing guys open or throwing deep enough
Now it is about the receivers being terrible and not getting separation.
Just saying man, the hypocrisy is remarkable. Not blaming you specifically, but I just think the contrast in finger pointing is stunning.
Difference in time
Garrard been in the league since 2002, been to two playoff games and 1-1 in those games
Gabbert a rookie.
If Garrard was worth anything why is he sitting at home while 32+ QBs are playing?
He is driving a hard bargain
So it isnt about him not being worth anything.
I think your defense is remarkable:
Garrard was a veteran so it was his fault that the team wasn’t winning
Gabbert is a rookie, so it is the team’s fault that Gabbert isn’t winning
Garrard and Gabbert had the same offensive core around them, but the team was better with Garrard
Garrard had a completion % well above 60 each year
Newton and Dalton, as rookies, have completion percentages well above 50
Gabbert has a completion percentage below 50 in three games
So…Gabbert is a better player?
The logic is…stunning.
Newton: 1610 yds, 58.2 completion percentage, 7td’s, 6 int’s, and 84.3 qb rating
Dalton: 1047 yds, 59.2 completion percentage, 6 td’s, 5int’s and a 78.7 qb rating
Gabbert: 608 yds, 49.5 completion percentage 3 td’s 2 int’s and a 71.2 qb rating
Their numbers is somewhat closer than most people think.
by leopold332002 on Oct 10, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean their qb rating and tds to ints
completion percentage is not close at all
And two of BGs tds were on busted coverages
Besides, the rookie comparison wasnt the point
This I agree with
but don’t be more hard on Blaine because not everyone gave Garrard credit.
I am not trying to be more hard on him
Let me explain. I call the issues as I see them. I defended Garrard vehemently, but not because I thought he was a great player, but because he was a good player that was getting trashed each week by the fans as though he were terrible
So I pointed out, many, many times that his numbers were actually pretty good considering the state of his line and the lack of a great receiver for pretty much all of his time with the team.
Garrard’s numbers in 2009 and 2010 were actually pretty damn good. I know he had some bad ones, but he was not a bad player.
With Gabbert as quarterback, relying on basically the same skill position players that were with the team in those years and an improved offensive line and even more importantly, an improved defense, the team is winning less and his numbers are far, far worse
I mean, they really aren’t even in the same ball park.
Now, he is a rookie, so as I have written millions of times, we have to be patient as fans and let him develop
But when it comes to analyzing a game objectively and pointing out the major flaws, you cannot avoid saying Gabbert’s play is a reason for our struggles
I keep reading things to the contrary, so I voice my opinion. I am not attacking him harder, I am responding to the people who are excoriating our receivers/line as being totally inadequate
Not that these pieces of the team are set, but they certainly are not so epically bad that the games are unwinnable
Does anyone remember 2008? That was a terrible line and an ineffective receiving corps
Much worse than what we have now. This team should be able to win games, and honestly, if Gabbert plays better, this team will have a chance to win some
Not go to the playoffs, not at this stage, but win some games and compete with good teams
couldnt have said it better myself
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by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 10, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He did not put up good numbers
I know everyone loses their minds over the amazing 23 TD’s but he 15 ints and only 2300 yards with about 6 or 7 yards a catch, thats not all that good in my opinion.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 10, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if sommeone is willing to give their entire draft for Luck (like 1st, second, third and some pick next year), so ok, you trade it. But if not, you take Luck, trade Gabbert for a 1st round pick and something more and get a WR with that pick. (Yes, i know, i has never a Gabbert believer…)
gabbert will not net you much more than a first round pick
Luck nets you probably 3 picks at least with a 1st and 2nd rounder a lock
luck is two firsts and a second at the least
One team will trade that plus a little more to get a guy whos been dubbed the next peyton
What if
You can get 3 or 4 pick for Luck and 2 for in a Gabbert Trade?i choose picking lick and trade Gabbert. one pick for gabbert is lame but 2 picks (maybe a first and third or fourth) for him is ok for me.
Really....
comeone, We dont need Andrew Luck….What we need is a couple of good play making WR with sure hands, and OLINE that knows how to block for more then 2 seconds, 1 lock down CB and One great pass rushing DE and all in that order. Hell with trading the #1 pick we could obtain most of that. thats if we even get the 1 pick.
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Thats all we need?
Shouldn’t be too hard to get all those things ;)
Doesn't matter.. Luck is a once in a blue moon pick.. Peyton Manning esque...
Will he be that good? Don’t know but all signs point in that direction.. You can’t pass up on that.. I garauntee when the season starts winding down there will be teams that are on the brink of winning the sweepstakes start throwing games on purpose to get him..
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You absolutely draft Andrew Luck!!!
Think of it this way, compare us to the Panthers from 2010 and 2011. Would you rather have Cam Newton or Jimmy Clausen? Would you rather have Blaine Gabbert or Andrew Luck?
Jimmy Clausen = 48th overall pick
Blaine Gabbert = 10th overall pick the Jaguars traded up to get
It’s not gonna happen. It’s so not going to happen, it’s not even worth talking about.
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I disagree
Very real possibility we are drafting #1 overall. The next game I think we have a shot of winning is at home vs. Indy.
I think they will try and trade the pick but there’s the possibility as well no one is willing to give up their 2012 draft, and most of their 2013 draft
got to love having football here....
I can’t remember the last time I heard so much passion from this city. I know its not all positive but you got to admit part of having a team is dealing with the highs and the lows… the heartbreaks to the amazing. Man I’m so glad football is back and frankly I don’t care what the jags record is. We will get better and so what if this season isn’t going the Jags way so far. I’ve been a Brewers fan since I was a little kid and talk about an average team. So I know it will get better. When your near the bottom there is only one way to go but up..
dude, thank you for being a real fan
I sometimes dread to read comments on here after a loss. Look, I like what I see from the jags so far this year. They HAVE gotten better each week, if you take the time to look at it. Remember too, we knew this schedule this year was brutal, and ya know what its showing.
by ScottyD4Life on Oct 9, 2011 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree,
We were a few short bone head plays away from man handeling that game….WE should have converted those two short red zones, and WOW what can i say about Turk, got does suck, and the Mester play….was terrible but over all…..OUR D is looking really good. Love what there bringing. Lets remeber that was the #1 deffense we just played and we looked alright. not great but certenly not terrible either, lets call it a work in progress.
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I agree
they have gotten better every week, I’m not happy with the losses but I’m really happy about the progression of this team on O this game and on D all season so far.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What are you watching? Better every week? Crap, this team is getting worst every week.
Come on folks, everyone is acting like this is our first year. This is a roster in its 3rd year of rebuilding and $90 million dollars in defensive free agents. I mean this crap the last month is bad. Real bad.
Team is improving
Special teams has deteriorated beyond belief though. Defense can’t do much when Turk is barely punting the ball 20 yards.
Offense is finally starting to score more than 10 points a game.
Just seems like we used all our luck against the Titans
I agree
The defense keeps being put in bad spots.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 10, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm watching the team not the stat line.
The offense moved the ball better this week and put up points. The defense continues to improve. And those free agents are all relatively young so they will be here for a while.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 10, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Special Teams is leaving alot to be desired tho
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
lol...agreed...
but lets remeber owens and osgood are out….as far as the TURK, goes….we need to send the turk for his ass.
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Yea Owens and Osgood change things
Although, I think there coverage has been alright, a few missed tackles here and there but no really long returns. With Turk, idk what they do, he had a few good punts early but terrible ones later. Bad thing is, idk who else is out there
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d put drafting an o lineman above a reciever.
by mattarne on Oct 9, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no way
WR i an absolute must for this team. a guy who can consistently stretch the field and make plays. thankfully this is the year to get one with Blackmon and Jeffery and Fuller anf Flloyd and Sanu and ……
I can’t imagine getting value out of a WR drafted at 15 or above. Take your big guys early.
by mattarne on Oct 9, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can’t imagine getting value out of a WR drafted at 15 or above. Take your big guys early.
by mattarne on Oct 9, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No I wouldn’t. I think our o line is a greater risk than our receiving corp. Our guys are young. I believe that they can get better.
Fitz isn’t going to protect colb. Neither will megaton for stafford. Got to protect our franchise qb. I dont ever want to see mccown out there again. Besides, you can find WR in the second round to catch balls.
by mattarne on Oct 9, 2011 6:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Realy? So you can find PB 1000+/10td wr basicly everywhere?
But to get OL you need top 10 pick?
And we are not talking just about catching the balls, playmaking.
Look who was throwing to them i DET, HOU, ARI….
i really tend to agree with you
BUT, I look at the state of this team and an Alshon Jeffery or Justin Blackmon is going to provide greater value IMO than an O-lineman. A healthy Monroe, a developed Rackley, and even Whimper at RT, and I think the line becomes alright. No need to use a first rounder on a tackle.
i also would consider drafting a CB higher than you have it
Kirkpatrick and Dennard intrigue me although i doubt we would go CB in the first at this point.
Ummmm what:!!!
Not so bad on the DE?? .. Look I know we as fans are so used to seeing opposing QBs stand back there eating lunch, but our Pass rush is horrible. Too many times, especially in the red zone, the opposing QB has time to make 3-4 reads. Yes we need WRs but with a half way decent pass rush this defense would be controlling the game.
even if we get 1o sacks a game
if that D doesn’t score, our OFF sure is not gonna do it.
And it’s all about scoring, we can’t score.
As I stated...
Yes we need WRs, my comment was directed at the fact that people actually believe we are “OK” at DE.
Botom line is
some times you win some time you lose, thats the game, you gotta love it.
by Nikola R on Oct 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
observations through 5 games
1. punt team blows. Both punter and punt returner have zero business on an NFL field.
2. Gabbert – shows promise – need to work on accuracy and making better decisions – know when not to throw into double coverage and sometimes, a little touch on the pass will net a TD – not every pass has to fly at 1000 miles an hour.
3. Britton and Rackley on the field at the same time – no that wasn’t St Regis you were smelling.
4. consistant poor 2nd half performaces = opposing team consistently make better adjustments—hmmmmm
5. Hill – bravo – no one around you for an entire zip code – nice catch. Now if you can only catch in traffic
6. It is very possible that this team will not win another game this season – overall, poor personnel when compared to rest of league — sorry, but Gene hasn’t done us any real favors here – will acknowledge that D is much improved that the garbage we saw last year however/
7. WR – if Gene’s aorund next year, I’m sure there’s an NAIA WR somewhere that he can trade up and get in the draft and scoop everyone else in league.
..
1)No argument here
2)True gotta have better touch on that one. But I think Lewis’s drop earlier cause him to try to alter the throw to much.
3)Don’t really know what this means, But I think Britton has played well at the LG spot. When was Rackley on the field today?
4) Adjustments or just bad execution, I’ll go with the latter
5)He actually did catch 2 or 3 balls with a guy draped all over him
6)What would give you that idea? Everyone talks as if the Jags are being blown completely out of the water.. The only game they weren’t in was the Jets game. Young team with a young QB, they will figure out those last few moments.
7)Why does everyone think Gene is getting fired? I don’t understand. But the rest that is nonsense, as I said earlier we only have like 2 D-3 players on the roster. so smh.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Monroe cam out...
somewhere in the half…..and it went to rackley, at LG, Wimper at LT, and Britton went back to RT, dont know why, hope Monroes not hurt.
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6 is definitely a possibility
because this was supposed to be the easy part of our schedule. We should have walked out of the last two games with a win. How do you think the next three games are going to go? At Pitt and Houston and a home game against the Ravens. If we win one of those I will be surprised. Then the team will be out of contention and they barely seem motivated now, wait til they know they arent making the playoffs. You can say we are two games out, but our team has not shown enough promise to expect any major changes in the way we play to be confident right now. I do think that Gabbert is still looking promising, but I don’t think we will really see the benefits of his potential until next season with a new coach and new WR corps.
They are motivated, they are just not there yet.. there is a difference.
I think it would be completely stupid to get rid of a guy who had to gut the team and pretty much start from scratch. He has brought a lot of talent in here threw the draft and fas. He hasn’t hit on everyone but what GM has? smh.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he has hit on some guys
but the more I think about it, he has been unsuccessful on a lot more picks though. I’m fine with Monroe, but Britton hasn’t given 2nd round production, Cox has been good but is he worth a 2nd and 3rd round pick?, Dillard has been consistently injured, D’Anthony has been useless, Hart was cut, Lane as been eh, McGee is gone, Deji has been good and bad at times, and then this draft class does not have anyone besides Gabbert who has made really any impact on our team. Trading away two second round picks for small school 3rd round guys is also questionable. Yes, Alualu, Knighton, Thomas, Jennings, Monroe and arguably Cox have been good starters, but besides that, Gene has traded away picks and not gotten a lot of value for them. If Gene stays, it is because of his FA additions. Gene needs to keep all of his picks this year in the draft and draft guys who can produce immediately for this team.
Cox was one pick (not two) - a 3rd traded for a future 2nd round pick at the time.
“Cost-wise” – he was a 2nd rounder that we got a year early.
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and it very easily could have been Pot Roast
they were drafted consecutively
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Um..
Britton was ok a RT, nothing special but seems like he is playing well at G. Not ideal but thats still solid for a 2nd rounder. I think you have that Cox trade messed up, but he is a solid starting corner, decent tackler and has 8 picks in his career so far, although no one on this site acknowledges him. Dillard has been constantly injured, I’ll give you that.
Smith had a freak injury, no one could have predicted that he would have an Achilles injury in his first training camp, you can’t hold something like that against him. Hart was cut, tried the smallish speed guy, didn’t work. Lane is very good against the run but leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to a pass rush, but all in all he is a solid player, which is all you really hope for in a 5th round pick.
He didn’t trade two 2nds for 3rds, idk where your getting that from. And Deji is a good 3rd down back, and a speed guy not really a power runner but he contributes, which for a 7th round pick is great.
And you really shouldn’t judge a rookie like that until at least week 8 or 9, can they get sometime to learn the game a little? This instant gratification that you want is not realistic at all.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I acknowledge Cox
All the time. Your right though, he gets little recognition
The issue is when your rookie qb is learning the game on a team that has the pieces in place to be successful otherwise
It is frustrating to see such good defensive play wasted by an inept offense, one that is far more inept than last season’s iteration
Can you imagine if we were scoring 20+ points per game right now? Things would be very different
It is fair to be disappointed by that.
But it is also true that this team will not be winning much until our QB ’learns the NFL game"
We just have to bite the bullet and cheer for his development; that doesn’t mean sugar-coating his play though
No one is sugar-coating his play
He has been good but I think he is still getting used to the pocket. He was getting really antsy early on but he has settled some although he still does every now and then. He also doesn’t step into every throw like he should but other than that theres nothing that I can really say he is holding the team back. His receivers have let him down a lot with drops and quitting on routes.
And last year’s O probably wouldn’t have gotten a FG last week.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 10, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And last year’s O probably wouldn’t have gotten a FG last week.
Based on what logic?
His receivers quit on routes?
OK man, whatever you say.
Did you see every pass he threw Sunday? I can’t believe you are going to tell me he was good.
He threw some really awkward passes man. And his accuracy has been poor all year. I am sorry, but receivers quitting on routes is the most ridiculous excuse I have hear dyet.
I agree with your perspective on the team, that we are heading in the right direction
I do not agree that the most serious issue on offense up to this point is anywhere but QB. I mean it isnt an attack, he is a rookie having a hard time adjusting. He will get better. He has flashed, but he has not played well
we can only PRAY that there is a change at GM - until that happens get used to consistent mediocrity to suck
by OGN on Oct 9, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
our team isnt going to have big stars until our GM swings for the fences on some picks
I’ve come to that conclusion recently.
reaches too much for 1AA players while giving away valuable draft picks to do it
by OGN on Oct 9, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant that from a different angle
Genes been known for trying to get base hits in the draft. I get what you are saying too. I count that as stupidity, not swinging for the fences. I always hate trading future picks.
every draft since he's been GM - where have you been???
by OGN on Oct 9, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant an actual name.
What 1AA guy has he reached for?
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess 5th rounders and out are reaches
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ok?
he might have been a decent prospect but we traded away a pick to move up like 6 spots? that is a reach there was no need to trade away picks to move up less than 10 spots in the third round
Cold Blooded
Unless he turns out to be a starting caliber player
In which case it doesn’t matter, because we got quality
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
or
he could turn out to be nothing more then a guy in which case it was a bad move. we could play the what if game all day
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 10, 2011 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
With Cox there was one pick
and he has been a good starter for this team. Rackley had a 2nd round grade on him from alot of scouts, so you could look at that as a steal.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
I think Gene has done a very good job of stocking this tea through the draft and free agency
That’s what I am saying about this team; we are just a QB away from being competitive and a receiver and dynamic end away from being a contender
A contender for what?
We still need depth, which is very lacking at OL, RB, WR and LB. I think we need a couple of true playmaking studs at any position personally, even a position we are seemingly good at.
by jstnblke41 on Oct 10, 2011 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rackley didnt have a second round grade on him
by anyone credible. i watch the draft religiously and he was a high third round at best
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i remember watching
Mayock had him around the 2nd round
"HULU: An evil plot to destroy the world. Enjoy"
Real fans don’t need a reason.
"Real G's move in silence like lasagna.." lol
by TheTealDeal on Oct 10, 2011 7:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
are you thinking about the O lineman for Villanova?
Both guys were from small schools in the Philly area
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Ijalana
He was late 1st early second at one point
But Rackley was rated 83 by ESPN, which is a 2nd round grade
In fact, ESPN
had Rackley rated higher than Ijalana
idk about that
if he did i take what i said back but im pretty positive he had him rated as a third round guard
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 10, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I am basing it on the rating system they use
Rackley was an 82
Ijalana was a 73
Ijalana went in the second round
Rackley went in the third
Based on their projections (whether you buy their expertise is another matter) Rackley had a second round grade
Hey hey hey
Mayock is not credible! (sarcasm)..lol
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 10, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry dude
That is incorrect
He was low second early third at worst
if mayock said he was a 2nd round player
i take back what i said because i view him as a good evaluator of talent. but ESPN is not a credible source for scouting. todd mcshay and mel kiper are their lead men for the draft. thats a joke and any real football fan knows espn knows nothing about the draft other than what OTHER people are saying
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by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 10, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and how is 84 a 2nd round grade?
32+32=64…
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
82 is a second round grade
in their system. Don’t shoot the messenger buddy
Also, Mayock and ESPN are basically aligned in their ratings
Kiper is not a scout. McShay is a scout and an ex-QB. In fact, all of the scouts inc. guys are ex players
And they compile an extremely comprehensive database of prospects. Not perfect, but I know football, and it isn’t a joke.
They watch a ton of tape.
I mean, I pay 3.99 a month for the insider because I am a loser, but it certainly has helped me get a jump on the draft each year.
They miss some guys for sure (Dekoda Watson, Jamar Chaney) but generally they are pretty good
And anyway, Rackley was given a grade which translates to second round quality
ok i misunderstood what you said
i thought you meant he was the 82nd rated prospect. but maybe he was worth the trade but i would have much rather kept the 6th round pick waited the four slotted picks pick rackley anyway and draft a punter in the 6th round. i just didnt see the value in trading a 6th round pick to move up 4 slots in the middle of the third
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Oct 10, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Our team is young and getting better every game
There is no need to pray or get used to anything.. the thing you need is patience
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the rest of the schedule
i see us splitting with the Colts and winning one or two more games. If we don’t win another game or two before the bye then fire Del Rio because this is bullshit.
why not just fire him now
i see teams around the league with mediocore personnel and that are plaing real well. It is all in the HC for those teams. Jag just need new blood at HC and I could see a drastic improvment in play
i'm down for whenever
But I dont think Weaver will do it until the entire city riots.
apathy may come next week
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whoever says HC doesnt matters, look the 49ers of last year and this year, not much diference besides the coaching personel. A good coach can really make a so-so team win, and JCR is not this type of coach.
and he was coaching non scholarship college football as late as 2006
Think if Kerwin Bell was an NFL coach. San Diego is in the same type school as Jacksonville University
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Umm..
The difference there is that Harbaugh is good with QBs and has got something resembling good play from Alex Smith. The rest of that team was pretty good, it was the QB play that was holding them back. Your really comparing apples to oranges here.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Game.
You guys played a tough game. Gabbert looks solid. Heck of an arm. He will be good for years to come.
try telling that to the pundits
above trying to jump on the Suck for Luck bandwagon…..
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Well i was never in the Gabbert bandwagon
before and after the draft. Whatched some of his games and didnt liked what i saw. Maybe he can be a solid QB. I just said that if the jags can get 2 or more pick from gabbert, its totally worth it. (IF the jags win the suck for luck race, thats with this schedule something feasible.)
It's about us Sucking for Luck
It’s more about us falling into the #1 overall pick and being stuck in an interesting conundrum for our new GM and new HC
I like Luck as a prospect
but I dont think we would take him if we got the first pick unless we couldnt trade it away. This team is seriously in contention for a top 5 pick looking at all the other teams in the NFL. I don’t see us being the worst team, but I see a top 5 pick in our future if things don’t change. We need a philosophy change on this team, which means a coaching change.
I like how everybody is practically guaranteeing this guy is the next Marino.
He seems like he could be a huge bust.
Hes smart, athletic, mobile, has a strong arm, and has poise
plus, he hasn’t had a lot of big stars with him at Stanford and he was very successful. He has also had a great coach in Harbaugh who is making Alex Smith look like a beast in San Fran. Everyone has bust potential, he just has less than most.
Yet but crowning him before he plays a single down is a bit much.
Many players play great in college and fail at the next level. I’m not saying he will but the next Elway, Marino talk is a little much.
I never crowned him anything...
I was just saying why everyone expects him to be the next Manning. The guy is very cerebral, which is why I like him so much though.
So Did and was... Ryan Leaf.....
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Leaf wasn't #1 pick
Manning was. People like to talk about Ryan Leaf but if you’re going to talk about bad #1 overall picks it begins and ends with JaMarcus Russell and I highly doubt Luck will be like JaMarcus
Thats not my point...
my point was everyone was crowing him the next coming and was “supposed” to be better then manning. and that leaf was everything he was trying to say luck is. that point is you dont know who is gona be or do shit until there in the NFL doing it.
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Everything people are saying about Luck
was the same things they said about Manning. It goes both ways. He could be a Manning or a Leaf either way he’ll be available for new staff to scout at #1
No one
said Leaf was a cerebral QB
People thought he had better arm strength and mobility than Manning
There was no question about who was the more cerebral player
Luck has the arm, athleticism, and the football IQ
No guarantees, but he looks fantastic and much less of a risk than Leaf, who also had character concerns
So it is really a much different situation
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly, ...
and he could but id rather trade that pick for another team to take that risk, and use a few picks to acount for more possible home runs…look at the pats thats what they do.
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No one is saying Luck is the next manning, but he is really good, really really good, he looks ready to play in the nfl. Look at Gabbert videos. He looks like Brady Quinn…. there, i said it, sorry but i said it….
I think (or is it hope?) Gabbert is a better prospect
He makes better decisions
But he throws inexplicably bad passes at times, some wobbly, some too low, and that causes concern
He also shies away from contact and falls down instead of stepping into his throws
I am growing concerned, but it is still too early to judge him
He wasn’t ready for NFL action, so all we can do is hope he develops under fire
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It seemed like he was overcorrecting
his tendency to throw the ball too high
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone answer this?
1) Why is Cecil Shorts still on the active roster?
2) Why don’t they play Dillard more?
3) Who are they trying to fool with having Brock Bolen split out wide?
4) Why is Matt Turk still on the team?
5) Why do they keep trying to run Deji Karim between the tackles?
6) Why do they keep running these long patterns for Marcedes?
7) Is Koetter putting our players in the best position to succeed?
8) Why do they keep pulling MJD for Deji when MJD is on a roll?
8)
gm doesn't decide who dresses, much less who's in on a particular play
Section 442, RIP
"You think you know, but you don't know."
Shorts and Turk
GM responsible for those two moves.
Gene should be fired by thinking Turk was any good as a punter
Desperation move
I think Alfie said they didn’t think they were going to lose Podlesh.
Certainly hasn’t worked out but you think they should fire the gm for missing on a punter?
Really?
If you are going to defend Gabbert for taking time to adjust, how can you not give the same to Shorts, who is coming from D3?
I am sure youre kidding about firing Gene for those moves?
Just look what Harbaugh did with 49ers
He know’s what he has of personel on the team,
and brought system to the players.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/07/do-not-blitz-alex-smith/
This team does not adapt well.
I also don’t think they properly utlize each player’s strengths. Lining up Bolen wide really bothers me. What is that suppose to do?
that's what I tried to say
we don’t use our strengths, you need to know what your guys know best, what are their flaws… and make best of it.
Where to run, who to run, who can catch and what kind of throw, and PUT those guys in that plays
I agree that this team doesn’t adapt well. I Think this team has talent but the coaching is trying to fit players into a scheme, rather than personal dictating a scheme. Koetters got to be more creative with his packages. Bolen is not going to catch shit. Be he’d block the shit out of a bubble screen to Thomas.
by mattarne on Oct 9, 2011 6:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Question seven is where your answers are.
by mattarne on Oct 9, 2011 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
answers
1. He’s a rookie, he played well in preseason and practices where the team sees something in him
2. Injury concerns? Otherwise I got nothing
3. They like to have their backs line up wide. I’m pretty sure MJD, Greg Jones, Deji all lined up outside
4. Because JDR/Gene Smith cannot evaluate punters at all
5. They don’t change running plays based on who’s in at RB
6. Poor playcalling
7. No
8. Probably limiting MJD’s carries a bit to make sure he doesn’t get hurt carrying this team
Yea....
2. Dillard makes tough catches, and Shorts does nothing. It’s obvious to me who I’d rather play but it seems they want to force Shorts to be something he is not.
3. What does it do? Is it an attempt to disguise something. Are defense suppose to be scared of a FB lined up at WR?
5. Well don’t you think they should play to each back’s strengths. Deji is not that type of player.
Lewis had a bunch of long passes
in 2009 and 2010
He has had a very high YPC for a tight end
Gabbert has to trust him and throw the ball
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
But on one of those he was wide open and Gabbert missed him
He should have made the tough catch with Maualuga all over him, but that is no argument that he shouldn’t be targeted
by smy on Oct 9, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He should have caught the first
Rey was around him but not really effecting his hands.. On the second, it looked to me like he stopped running. I think if he kept going the ball would have hit him between the numbers. Those are both things I’ve never seen from Lewis, idk but maybe that contract his effecting his play.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
No way man
He didn’t stop running. Watch that again. He put a nice move on the defender and Blaine missed him
Come on now.
As for the back of the endzone play, he should have caught it, but a guy all over you affects your hands. No excuse, but it has an effect
The guy wasn't all over him,
He was coming in late to try to disrupt the throw but he didn’t. Lewis just dropped it.
And your right, he had a nice move on the defender and a wide open side of the endzone, he should have kept running.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 10, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He did keep running
The qb missed him
As far as the Maualuga play, I have to watch it again, since you seem so sure, but I am telling you, Gabbert missed him on the second
Number 8 is my biggest f'ing question I would like answered also...RIDICULOUS..
If I see shorts out there to receive the kickoff next week I will explode..GUY SUX!
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wake me up when they announce the firing of Jack Del Rio, please….. I’m about to take a nap and hopefully when i awake it’ll all be over.
I thought everyone was on their last years this year
and yes, we were rebuilding, until the entire front office said we were aiming for the playoffs.
I agree with everything
I don’t mind the backs lining outside as long as there’s a set plan for them. I’d toss it short to the FB and let him power over a DB in a short yardage situation
For me the things that are hurting this team
1. Awful Coaching – That can be fixed with hiring the right head coach once we can JDR
2. Young QB – Gabbert is decent right now, but with hiring the right coaching he could take a huge leap next year.
3. Horrible WR’s – Take away the blown coverage by the Bengals and once again they had a bad game, tough time finding separation and making tough catches.
4. The Offensive Line – Plenty of times where Gabbert is getting hit way too early, not having time to make the reads that the opposing QB gets to make.
5. Formations – Like people posted before, why does Bolen line up wide? Why do we always have very similar formations every drive. Unlike other teams who use bunch formations, and mix other things in. We usually come out in very vanilla formations on offense. I would say the same thing on defense, other teams really mix things up, show blitzes, move guys around. We just line up in a basic formation and go.
6. Special Teams – Matt Turk needs to go. Plain and simple. How in the world do you shank a 20 yard punt and you run off the field with a smug grin on your face? Cecil Shorts, what are you even trying to do when the ball is punted? He seems like he doesn’t even have a clue.
7. Our pass rush. I do like what I seen out of Mincey and Chick but we do not have a consistent pass rush. So many times we would just rush four and they wouldn’t even move the offensive lineman backwards.
Draft wise, if Alshon Jeffery is there when we are picking, we have to get him. Look at Phillip Rivers, he has the opportunity to throw to two 6’5" WR’s and he thrives by doing that. If we give Gabbert a chance to throw the ball up to Jeffery then we could start seeing some big plays in the passing game. Guys like Hill and Thomas would get more of a shot to get open and we could spread the field.
I don’t know what we can do with this offensive line, I think for now we should give Estes a chance to start, if he doesn’t pan out then we could draft a center and just hope the rest of the line can be good with another year of playing.
A key pass rusher is needed, possibly with a second round pick. We need someone to be a threat to get to the QB almost every time, Mincey across from a guy who draws double teams would be perfect.
Coaching wise, a change I think obviously will be made. I think Cowher is the favorite choice, and it would work out perfect with Gene being gone that we could offer Cowher exactly what he wants in being a Coach/GM. It might be a reach, but this team needs a fire lit under them and a coach who knows exactly what he is doing.
Cowher
Never going to happen. I’m not a fan of hiring retired coacheas. It hardly ever works out. Best to look at young OCs for our new HC
Russ Grimm
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why?
Carmichael is working right now for a winner under a very good head coach. his offenses, while loaded with talent at QB and WR, have been tops year in and year out. I really think Carmichael presents the Jags with an deal candidate for the job
Carmichael Jr.
Is my favorite choice. Has Jags ties from his father. Seems to be Drew Brees favorite coach.
Does the GM stay?
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I am a visiting Bengals fan - I am not here to gloat - peace
I am reading a lot of posts here that don’t really reflect reality. You guys are not far from being a very good team. Yea, your punter kinda blew it today. You are short a good WR. Your QB is a rookie who only played two games and didn’t have the benefit of playing a lot of snaps with the #1’s in the preseason. I think he looked pretty good considering he played against a pretty good D. Yes, our D is very legit. Your D also played very well.
Hell Dalton threw a pick that was a huge mistake. We blew coverage to allow you an easy TD. Your QB missed a snap. Mistakes happen. All of this talk about Luck is silly. You have a good rookie QB. You have a good D and a great RB. Your team is on the right track. Don’t get too down on your team. To me they seem much better to me than you guys are saying.
Yea, you are short a couple of players, but they are a solid foundation and if you can put a couple of pieces together you can make some noise. Best of luck (no pun intended) the rest of the year. Your team played hard today. Good things are in your future. Hang in there. There is a lot of football yet to be played.
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thanks
for the last two years we have “technically” been in playoff contention and we are year 3 of “rebuilding” and the results are very poor right now. Nothing is working, so myself, and others, are just very, very frustrated.
I think it is pretty clear
That something is working. Can’t just measure progress in wins and losses. The Bengals fan is spot on.
It is frustrating, but don’t lose your perspective. We have a rookie QB. He isn’t playing so well, but give him time. We have a lot of pieces in place. Cheer up man
I hope you understand my point....
Dalton is playing very well for a rookie but he knew he was going to start and he had a full TC and four PS games to learn. Gabbert was simply thrown in the fire with none of that. I think he did great considering al of that. Four games ago he was in college. Think about that and the unfairly high expectations you have regarding him. He really needs a rally for support right now. I suggest you give him a break and rally around him. His confidence has to be beneath the floor right now. He needs your help.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Agree and thanks... We are only a few peices and some good coaching away from a good team..
Disagree about Gabberts confidence below the floor.. Kid is cocky and he knows he is good.. He is pissed more than anything..
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 10, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone had to win
With a rookie QB
Right now, theirs is playing better than ours
Our running back looked good until the other team figured out we couldn’t throw, and our defense looked good the whole game
This one came down to a few plays the Jags just couldn’t make
Bengals are a pretty good team right now. Ask Buffalo. And San Fran, who they almost beat. I don’t know if you noticed, but they have a sick defensive line, which has been performing well all year, not just against us
So I disagree that a lot of things aren’t working. I’d say we are closer to winning some games than people think. It comes down to Blaine’s development. And that takes time
well their numbers is somewhat similar and
unlike dalton and newton he don’t have a number one nor two reciever that can make plays for them.
by leopold332002 on Oct 10, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
somewhat similar is right
But ultimately, he has been gifted two of his 3 touchdowns and has a terrible completion percentage
I know Smith and Green help, but truthfully, he has guys on the team that can make plays
most of you are ridiculous
You have zero patience. Just forget pre-2009, 2009 is when this roster started building. And honestly, why do you put so much stock in that JDR or whoever said it, playoffs or bust? So what, no playoffs and gut the roster again? This team will be good, give it a little more time.
by ScottyD4Life on Oct 9, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Nobody is saying gut the roster
Gut the coaching staff…
Players
I think the players we want are a stud WR and a punter. We’re not getting the WR this year, but there HAS to be a better punter out there somewhere
Well
Im from Brazil…im available and i Probably can kick a ball better than Turk…
the way Brazil played against Costa Rica the other night, that's not such a sure thing
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I think a lot of our fans don't know what they want
they just want complain. But I do agree everything from before Smith took over the personnel decisions and gutted the roster should be ignored when evaluating the team and its coaches. I also think that the team over achieving the last two years has inspired a lot of expectations from fans that they really shouldn’t have at this point.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 9, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Blaine?
I guess you did not see the game. And his pass to Mike T in extremely tight coverage. That most qbs could not make.
Trade blaine
if…and only if….we get the first pick and cant make a good trade out of it. Thats a lot of ifs…
I wouldn't get rid of Blaine if we had the Luck pick.
Id trade down
by Slvrgun on Oct 9, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This... +1000
WE ARE JAGUARS.......FEAR OUR ROAR!!!!!!
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by JaxBlaster on Oct 9, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Offtopic
I think the Jaguars should trade for Tebow
Just kidding. Now really, the kid has heart. Maybe he can be a good QB (but not as good as Gabbert i think…)
looks like this was a good game
to miss while in new york visiting my 81 year old aunt.
(also it’s starting to look like it might have been a good I didn’t put down that $100 on 6.5 wins.)
Section 442, RIP
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The clock ran to 0 and there should of been flag thrown for delay of game
by staugustinejaguars on Oct 9, 2011 8:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
true
We do a good enough job of screwing ourselves, why does it seem we always get help?
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*Saw the same EXACT thing and was yelling at the TV
Stupid droid and swype
by Jags85 on Oct 9, 2011 10:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wind
The wind had a lot to do with several of his bad throws. I don’t even think Gabbert has played in a game where the weather hasn’t been pretty horrible.
by Blair72 on Oct 9, 2011 8:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I know.. Jack will go 4 it it on 4th and 5 in our own end of the field but not on the goal line..
If you don’t get in they have to go 98 yards… Win Win sitch, Get a stop have good feild position…. SMDH
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 10, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
When your close like that,
you take the points, unless you have to go for it.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Oct 10, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Howd that work out for us?
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 10, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
im tired of the rebuilding talk
thats just a way to make “we suck really bad and dont know what we are doing” sound a whole lot better
3 years is enough time every person in this organization should be gone with the exception of maybe mel tucker
Cold Blooded
Lets just start with a new HC and punter and go from there.
Also Im sorry to say it but as much as I like Blaine I would draft Luck in a heart beat. Have any of you been watching him? The guy is heads up better than anyone else on the field with him.
Agreed.. Luck is a Man among boys....
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 9, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Bengals fan here
Keep your heads up. You are one great wr from being a very good team. Your defense is very solid, you have MJD- enough said. Blaine looked good, but that wind was horrible and way to tough to judge a QB in that stuff.
We got lucky today. I hope everyone came out of the game healthy and I hope you guys have a great season going forward.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Kind words sir...Thank You..
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 9, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Defense
Was on point though.
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-Akrobatik
Matt Turk sucks.
I mean, he is really terrible. If he is on the roster for the next home game, I am not attending.
Also, I said this before, but it bears repeating: Cecil Shorts has absolutely no idea how to return punts. I cringe every time he gets back there. For the love of God, get someone else to return punts.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
FYI- Im not threatening not to buy tickets, I have season tix...
I will just rip them up and ignore that there is a game that night. Turk is freaking awful.
Fidelis Ad Mortem
Agreed on all points! Accept the not attending points..
Shorts better not f’ing be deep when the next ball is kicked…. And someone should take a 2 by 4 to Turks legs to make sure he doesnt play in the next game.. That guy cost us that loss.
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by SALTWATERJAG on Oct 9, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
in JDR's defense
The special teams was inexcusable; Turk kicking high was just pathetic, he had to do a better job adapting to the conditions. That falls on a lot more shoulders than JDR’s.
You could see the Bengle’s adjusting play calling to the wind. I think it was late in the 3rd Gabbert took a Trent Edwards like check-down that wouldn’t convert if he had 10 tries at it. As he came off the field JDR was giving Gabbert an earful for not throwing deep with the wind at this back. I appreciate the fact that he passed timely feedback on, I also like a head coach pushing his QB to make plays. It was the right time to force a play.
I’m sure this has been covered, but is JDR in a position to ensure his young QB knew that was the time to force play before it happened? Is he “on the line” when plays are passed, or does he only talk to the OC between plays?
yeah your right! EXTEND JACK NOW! I refuse to go to the next home game unless Wayne adds another two years to Jack's
current contrat. We are another decade away from a 9-7 record!!

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