Jaguars Blaine Gabbert On Record Pace
by Alfie Crow on Nov 11, 2011 11:31 AM EST
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PrintIt's no secret Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Blaine Gabbert has struggled so far as a rookie, especially in his last three games where he's failed to throw for over 100 yards. Just how bad has it been, though?
Bad.
Jimmy Clausen bad.
Patrick Daugherty shines the light on just how bad Gabbert's been so far this season:
There's really no way to sugarcoat just how bad Gabbert has been. If Jimmy Clausen's 2010 set the modern standard for quarterback futility, Gabbert could be pushing for a new benchmark this season. Consider:
-His quarterback rating of 62.0 is dead last in the NFL and 4.5 points worse than Rex Grossman's. Gabbert could double his rating and it still wouldn't match Aaron Rodgers' 129.1 mark.
-He's averaging 129.6 yards per game, 41.4 fewer than anybody else.
-His 5.24 yards per attempt is 0.49 worse than anybody else's.
-His 45.7 completion percentage is 7.6 percent worse than anybody else's.
Now, it's only six games in, but if Gabbert can't rebound against the Colts this weekend... I don't know what to say for him.
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thinking along these lines
What do we do if Gabbert plays terrible against the colts?
1. We begin looking for a new QB/GM
2. Hope he gets better next
3. Be thankful for better draft spot/Colts aren’t taking Luck
4. All of the above
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 11, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
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"thanks for hating"
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by rhettchrystal on Nov 11, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I like 4
If we lose to the Colts on Sunday then we are definitely on pace for this first pick, Smith and JDR will be gone after such a terrible season, and the new GM will probably pick Luck, but that is if we lose on Sunday, if we manage to win, things may turn out differently.
If Gabbert continues playing at the same level for the rest of the year
Should we be worried about his lack of development, or should we wait till next year to pass judgement. Because i feel like if he is going to play worse than Jimmy Clausen for the rest of the year that doesn’t bode well for his future.
Everyone in the organization said
he wasn’t ready to start right away but his upside very high so they drafted him. Many on here didn’t want to believe them when they said that but it has proven to be true.
But, it is definitely too soon to call the pick a failure. The QB position takes time to learn and he was known to need time before he was ready.
Negative Handicap
Thjere ought to be a handicap for evaluating QBs based on the strength of a QB’s receiving corps. A decent QB with bad receivers gets a bum rap. If Joe Montana didn’t have Jerry Rice what would his rating have been? Our receivers (WRs and TEs) are so bad this season, Gabbert’s QB rating is worse than it should be and we draw the wrong conclusions about his potential.
by three finger on Nov 11, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
For the most part
they’re the same receivers that DG had last season so I think it’s a bit amusing that some of the same people who bashed David last season are bashing the WR’s this season.
Same with the o-line.
David Garrard is gone. He was cut because he wasn’t good enough.
Get over it already. Christ. Stop pretending like people blamed everything 100% on David Garrard and didn’t recognize the offense line and wide receivers were also an issue. He was a 33 year old quarterback who was breaking down and was never good enough. You replace him and build around the new guy, You don’t build around the broken down 33 year old.
I've been over it since the moment he was cut.
I have and will always support whoever is the Jaguars QB, coach, GM etc…
I’m pointing out how laughable the argument that somehow all of a sudden those same WR’s and OLine are now the reason for poor QB play, when last season they were somehow not the problem.
You’re clearly not over it.
You’re making something out of nothing as if everyone is completely absolving Gabbert. Not a single person is blaming Gabbert’s struggles 100% on the offensive line and the wide receivers. It’s being pointed out that in combination with Gabbert’s own struggles, it exacerbates the issue.
Stop nit picking and making big deals about semantics because you’re still upset David Garrard is gone. You are obviously not over it, else you wouldn’t bring up the same garbage over and over again.
Trust me
I’m not upset in the least that Garrard is gone. And I’m happy to wait for Gabbert to improve. You know why, because HE’s The QB of the JAGUARS.
Unlike how you think, I actually support the players on the team. The day Garrard was released was the day I stopped caring about him. Period. I am now defending the WR’s and OL that is catching a large part of the blame when the fact is, they were just fine before this guy became QB. I’m not defending DG, I’m defending the WRs.
by pksiv on Nov 11, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
luke mckown was better then garrard anyway
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Nov 11, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Some of the Same
Yes, some of them are the same but they are not performing at the same level as last year or at a level commensurate with their salaries. Gabbert probably had better receivers at Missouri than he has in Jacksonville.
by three finger on Nov 11, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't that no one believed it.
Some of us would rather watch a rookie QB get in the fire and develop, rather than watch a veteran lose games – the coaching staff agreed. The disappointing part is the glimpses of his upsides, he’s so close to being good now. Wether or not he turns the corner is a different story.
I'd rather be golfing.
Thank why did you chose 4 All of the above
if you knew he wasn’t quite ready, why would you be looking for a new QB/GM ?
I didn’t say: “I knew he wash’t quite ready.” Nor, did I say I’m looking for a new QB/GM. Why are making things up?
I'd rather be golfing.
Option #1 says "We begin looking for a new QB/GM"
Option #4 says “All of the above”
You wrote “I like 4”, which includes option #1. Sorry if simple logic escapes you.
After further review,
you ask me why I didn’t make the choices above, then, in the same breath, you’re asking why I made the choices (which I never made) I should’ve made. You’re not making sense. *perplexed.
I'd rather be golfing.
I don’t think anyone didn’t believe that he “wasn’t ready to start” right away. Matter of fact, I believe many (including myself) argued the best way for him to get ready was to actually play and learn on the job.
I think many people
thought he’d be able to play close to as good as DG did last year.
I think many people HOPED he would be, with the realization that he’s still a rookie.
Anyone surprised he’s struggled is detached from reality.
I agree with this statement.
Just pointing out the fact that many people tried to point out that wanting a better QB and getting one were two different things. And many on this site felt the need to move on regardless, thinking that things couldn’t get worse. Hopefully they’ll get better, but they’ve definitely gotten worse.
And clearly people are suprised
or there wouldn’t be all these people complaining that he’s not doing as well as Dalton, Ponder, Newton etc…
Lets look at the bright side. He's no Ryan Leaf
(Rookie season) 10GMs 111ATT 245CMP 45.3% 1,289yds. 5.26AVG 2TD 67LG 15INT 2FMB 39.0RAT
He needs a solid 200+ yd. game this weekend – period. If he can start racking up yards, even with a 1TD – 2INT ratio to finish out, there is much hope. At this point, I’m more concerned about him improving, rather than W – L’s. With the inevitable staff changes coming, I see him starting next season, regardless.
I'd rather be golfing.
or John Elway
completions 123
attempts 259
percentage 47.5%
yards 1663
touchdowns 7
ints 14
qb rating 54.9
or Terry Bradshaw
completions 123
attempts 259
percentage 47.5%
yards 1663
touchdowns 7
ints 14
qb rating 54.9
completions 83
attempts 218
percentage 38.1%
yards 1310
touchdowns 6
ints 24
qb rating 30.4
or Troy Aikman
completions 155
attempts 293
percentage 52.9%
yards 1749
touchdowns 9
ints 18
qb rating 55.7
(also went 0-11 as a starter his rookie year)
Boy, you have to wonder if these 3 would have lasted in today’s media, even Aikman.
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too lazy to figure out how to do spreadsheets
the Elway stats were a duplication
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you've got to realize,Pittsburgh was DAMN bad back then.
In fact one of the things that really helped them was “going over” to the AFC along with Cleveland.
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Gabbert vs Curtis Painter
will be a passing clinic. Peyton Manning may throw for more yards with his eyes on the sidelines.
"The number 2" Projected Colts wins and number of students from Tennessee attending Vanderbilt.
pssst...
Painter had 98 yds., and the Colts scored 7 points, against a 13th ranked defense last week. Now they face the number 3 defense. Also, Gabbert’s last four games were all against top 6 defenses (#’s 1, 2, 4, 6) he now faces #32, the worst in the league. As a Jags fan, I like the math.
I'd rather be golfing.
ummm...
I think he meant “passing clinic” in the sense that it would be a clinic on how not to have a passing game, not an actual passing clinic. The second sentence seems to indicate this. After the fact, that’s exactly what it was. Gabbert had a few decent passes, and got better later in the game, which is what the team probably expected or hoped to see from him. Painter, well, Painter got taken out and his replacement got picked off right away which sums up that side of the ball.
The big worry I took out of this game for Jacksonville is how ineffective MJD was at running the ball up the middle. Teams have been stacking the middle of the field all season to negate his effectiveness. Until they can get a passing game going, I don’t see him putting up spectacular numbers, but pounding away for his 100yrds on a ton of carries. They need him to break out a few runs, but unless they can start spreading out the defense or at least cause defenses to have to PRETEND they don’t know exactly what the first and second down plays are going to be (run up the middle), I don’t see any room for big runs.
by Prince Ly Squisher on Nov 14, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
This week vs. Colts
Although I would like Blaine to put up nice numbers this week against Indy, I don’t think it determines his future. Still need to stay patient as a fan base & let him progress.
by jagzman04 on Nov 11, 2011 1:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I know it looks bad...
…but I just ain’t ready to give up on him yet. Stats be damned. I see a QB there eventually, though it gets fuzzier with each passing week. He’s had a chance to catch his breath with this bye week, so let’s see what he does now.
save your attitude i got one of my own
To me
he doesn’t look to be in Clausen’s category, stats-wise yes he is in there but Clausen had a much better receiving core, honestly these guys are getting no separation, he didn’t have to deal with a ton of drops, and a shuffling O-line. Plus Clausen was a pro-style QB in college so he didn’t have to make the pocket presence and footwork adjustment while adjusting to the heighten speed and physicality of the game. Not to mention being thrown into a monsoon, Brees and the boys, and the then a streak of top 10 defenses. I think if we are judging play and circumstance, not statistics he looks better than most think.
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 11, 2011 1:48 PM EST reply actions
Prior to the last two weeks,
I remember at least five throws here and there that hit receivers (who were covered like blankets) right in the stomach only to be dropped. Those throws were on a rope and led the receivers perfectly. Those are the types of things that most of us see and make us think: “Wow, you can do this, Gabbert, let’s see more.” He just needs to do it consistently, and I think most of us know where the issues lie.
I'd rather be golfing.
Every QB
throws passes that are dropped. It’s not a phenomenon that occurs only to Blaine Gabbert.
Yes it is. These guys caught every single pass from David Garrard. Gabbert sucks because he’s not doing as good as Garrard.
I'm not talking about DG here
I’m talking about all of the other QB’s in the league.
theyve only dropped like 14 passes
green bays mighty receiving core has dropped 16
the drop argument is irrelevant he still sucks with or without the drops compared to any quarterback in the league not just garrard
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Nov 11, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Green bay has thrown the ball like 50 times more than the Jaguars and they have 2 more drops. Put it in context when you try to whip these stats out. A team who throws more will naturally drop more, it’s the law of averages.
If your receiving corps actually produces, drops can be looked over. But when the receiving corps sucks at getting open AND drops passes, once again… it exacerbates the issues.
the ravens have 17
and san fran has 18
neither team airs it out how do you explain that?
Cold Blooded
by Jaggaholic82 on Nov 11, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
What are talking about here?
The point was not about dropped passes. It was about the accuracy Gabbert has available. Plus, I didn’t say Gabbert’s receivers are the only ones dropping passes, but, he has had more than his fair share of throws dropped. You’re making a career out of dissecting comments and taking things out of context. I issue fair replies to your comments, it would be nice if you did the same.
I'd rather be golfing.
How is this statement
“I remember at least five throws here and there that hit receivers (who were covered like blankets) right in the stomach only to be dropped. "
Not about dropped passes ?
You just proved my point.
My “dropped passes” was only a small confirmation to a part of his comment which I replied to. The subject of my reply was about Gabbert, not the receivers. This has already gone back and forth many times. That’s why I said my “point was.” But you definitely have me nit-picking, just like you.
I'd rather be golfing.
Not saying it only happens to him
but it certainly has happened more than average here
by Sylvester.The.Jaguar.fan on Nov 11, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I watched Clausen
Last year and he is no where close to Gabberts caliber. Gabberts mistakes are the same ones the othe rookies are making but he doesn’t have the same talent around him period. If you want to continue on about Garrard anf his success lady year with the same players then go ahead. Blaine wasn’t drafted to be beyer than Garrard this year. The plan, was four next year afyer getting the chance to sit and learn while the team developed around him. All the critics out there are liking four thongs to complain about without taking in all the facts.
by JagSoldier on Nov 11, 2011 3:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I was just making a point.
I’m quite happy with the selection of Gabbert and understand his struggles so far. It was actually expected. The question above included an answer that said “Start looking for a new QB/GM”. I do not agree that’s the case at all, but to put most of the blame on the WR’s is also disingenuous.
Who is putting most of the blame on the wide receivers?
Name some names. It’s apparently a lot of people, right?
I can find five reasons
why the offense is so bad, 1. We are starting a very young rookie 2. The WRs are average at best 3. The O-line has had some bad moments 4. A brutal first half schedule, and 5. I hate the play calling. Who doesn’t?
by JagSoldier on Nov 11, 2011 6:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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